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That's 1.238 trillion barrels of known oil reserves, or 1,238,00,000,000 barrels. And reserves have actually been growing, by 107.8 billion barrels since 2001, and 168.5 billion barrels, or 14%, over the last decade. Global reserves have risen by 36% since 1987 (map/chart above shows how the 1.23 trillion barrels of oil reserves are distributed globally).

These stats are from the "Statistical Review of World Energy 2008," released yesterday by BP (BP), and reported by The Economist:

 

"We're not running out of hydrocarbons,” insists Tony Hayward, the boss of BP, one of the world’s biggest oil firms. To back up this view, he cites various comforting figures from the latest edition of the firm’s “Statistical Review of World Energy," released today.

Enough oil has already been discovered around the world, Hayward says, to maintain consumption at current levels for another 42 years. As he put it, humanity has guzzled through 1 trillion barrels, but has its next trillion already lined up, and could probably unearth a third trillion if it really applied itself.

 

Why then, are oil prices hovering over $130 a barrel?

Mr. Hayward blames poor policy-making or, in his florid phrase, “the madness of men." Some 80% of the world’s oil reserves, he says, are in the hands of state-owned oil firms, which tend to allow firms like his only limited access. He believes that if these riches were fully exploited, the world could easily produce 100m barrels a day or more, a big increase on last year’s figure of 82m barrels per day.

MP: What about all of the attention on rising demand for energy in China and India, and how that contributes to rising oil prices? Well, according to the report's statistical tables, India's share of global oil consumption in 2007 was only 3.3%, not much more than Canada's 2.6% share or Mexico's 2.3% share, and India's oil consumption has grown less than 3% annually during this decade. And India and China's 12.6% combined share of world consumption is still only about half of America's 24%.

In fact, total global oil demand increased by only 1.1% in both 2006 and 2007, roughly the same rate as the increase in world population, and about half the 2.03% average annual growth in oil demand during the 2002-2005 period.

What's going on? Increasing world oil reserves, and relatively weak growth in world oil demand, and oil prices have now doubled in the last year? Is this an oil bubble?

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    Yes. Some conspiracy folks would argue that the price increase was imposed by the Federal government to allow states to recoup lost real estate taxes.
    2008 Jun 12 07:31 AM | Link | Reply
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    Logical arguments like these will never grab the headlines, instead when Johnny Speculator predicts oil is going to $200 the media plasters it all over the front page. This is so like the dot com bubble its scary. I just wonder what it's going to take to make everyone wake up and realize this is ridiculous. When it happens though oil is going to plummet.
    2008 Jun 12 07:47 AM | Link | Reply
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    Let's do the math:

    85 million barrels per day times 365 days = 31.025 billion barrels/year

    So 1238 billion barrels = 40 years oil at current consumption rates

    If you up consumption to 100 million barrels per day, that works out to 34 years worth of oil.

    I don't know about you -- I am more than 34 years old. The idea that the lifeblood of the world economy could run out within the lifespan of a young adult is bone-chilling. I should think the warning bell has been sounded loud and clear with the latest rise in the price of oil.

    Incidentally, my take on peak oil is that the oil will not run out in 34 years, because there is no way we will achieve 100mbpd production. Rather, production shortfalls will force us to figure out how to get by on 60mbpd, and eventually 40mpbd. The story will be all about how we can weather the supply shocks while still trying to find technological alternatives to oil.
    2008 Jun 12 07:52 AM | Link | Reply
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    Hey, people or rather consumers and investors: It is not the end of the availability of oil, gas or what we call hydrocarbons. It is the end of the availability of CHEAP oil and gas. More oil and gas will be discovered or drilled from wells, formations, and seas which are more difficult and costly from the point of view of eccessibility. The second issue, which is as relevant as the first described above, is whether the world in general can afford to consume at a rate as high as that currently being consumed in the US and the other OECD countries. If you are concerned about the expedited rate of global warming, we have witnessed in the last 50 years, the answer will be an emphatic"NO!". No ifs, buts or maybe's to it!
    2008 Jun 12 08:06 AM | Link | Reply
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    There is too much recurring corruption and manipulation going on in the energy market. The energy producers drag their feet to bring new sources online and fail to spend on research - as it is obviously in their best interests to keep energy scarce.

    Obama is going to have to build new, various energy plants and a viable hydrogen infrastructure to force the energy companies and oil to truly compete.

    Oil addiction and a horrible banking cartel keep holding this country hostage and keep shooting this country in the foot.
    2008 Jun 12 08:06 AM | Link | Reply
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    The media has always had a bias towards negative news. They love putting these stories out there. Doomsday stories sell. I know I get caught in their embrace.

    If Tony Hayward is right,. we just need to watch for the top and make money at the exits.



    2008 Jun 12 08:31 AM | Link | Reply
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    What was the cause of death of Alexander Farrell, 46, expert on alternative fuels?

    www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin...
    2008 Jun 12 08:38 AM | Link | Reply
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    Another regurgitation of partial facts and out of context quotes from Dr. Perry! Nothing about percent recoverable or cost of recovery, or about how much is light, sour, or heavy crude, or bitumen... What a waste of time; this guy never breaks it down in terms of true economics.
    2008 Jun 12 08:39 AM | Link | Reply
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    I was wondering and then I saw the link to his bio. Dr. Mark J. Perry is "a professor of economics" and "finance in the School of Management". It is precisely people like him who are to blame for the current oil prices. They, with the corporte medias help, have been shouting down the geologists for 30 odd years now and they are still trying now!!!
    2008 Jun 12 08:46 AM | Link | Reply
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    "Peak oil" and "global warming" are the two culprits behind the run-up in worldwide oil prices. These twin myths were contrived by the Green Menace as a means to govern us get into our pocketbooks.

    Fortunately, despite the best efforts of the "Know Nothings" in the Congress and the media, cooler heads will prevail. Once we decide to open up our domestic energy reserves to exploration, we will have ample supplies to sustain us until alternative technologies become competitive in the marketplace.

    Note to the Greens: What are you afraid of? You're winning the day thanks to the new technologies now being developed that will operate our transportation system in the future. You'll excuse us if we don't wish to sacrifice our liberty to you, as well.

    2008 Jun 12 08:49 AM | Link | Reply
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    How can these figures be acurate? Most of the middle eastern countries have not had any independent assesment of oil reserves since 1979! Aramco was onced US owned and in 1979 the reserves we scientifically estimated at 80 BBLs! After they kicked out the US the figure magically rose to 200Bbls and has stayed there since 1980! If you guestimate the middle east's actual reserves it should be between 150Bbls to 350Bbls no way near 755.3 Bbls. World reserves somewhere between 600Bbl to 800Bbl. No one really knows! We are using around 31Bbl per year. This only gives us about 20 to 30 years before we run dry at current levels! Also to consider is that this is not all Light sweet crude. At least 30% or more is heavy sour crude which has very few refineries and is not cost effective to refine. I think we are in big trouble if we don't get off our oil addiction ASAP!
    2008 Jun 12 08:52 AM | Link | Reply
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    We need a national energy independence policy. We have enough resources in the US to meet all our energy needs. Sign the petition at petitions.com/ennow/pe... if you want to see this happen. If we can get a million signatures, we can get Obama's attention.
    2008 Jun 12 08:53 AM | Link | Reply
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    We need a national energy independence policy. We have enough resources in the US to meet all our energy needs. Sign the petition at petitions.com/ennow/pe... if you want to see this happen. If we can get a million signatures, we can get Obama's attention.
    2008 Jun 12 08:54 AM | Link | Reply
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    Oil conspiracy,,,maybe. The real truth is that the U.S.A. is being held hostage by the tree huggers and enviornmentalists. We have enough oil to keep us for many years to come but the special interest groups have tied our hands. If the drive by media would jump on this the way they are jumping on the Obama bandwagon things could change overnight. If you think $5.00 gas is a killer, elect Obama and watch it go to $25.00 when he raises your taxes. And the media will still blame the oil companies. America needs to get back to lower taxes, and less government. Government that is by the people and for the people, instead of government for the few. I would predict a revolution before a true shortage of oil.

    Global warming is a another scare tactic produced by the liberal left to put money into the hands of liberal politicans. This globe has been warming for the past 20,000 years, the artic ice cap is truly diminishing, while the antartic ice cap is increasing in size. Wake up AMERICA.....vote these liberals out.
    2008 Jun 12 08:56 AM | Link | Reply
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    As often is the case, Phd is the abbreviation of "piled higher and deeper."

    Not a word about the most important things: The reserve numbers include Oil sands and shale, two hydrocarbons which are not only insanely expensive to turn into oil, but need so much water and energy that the end sum is a product that costs $40 a barrel and uses so much water that Canada barely has enough to produce the low levels of oil sands product they turn out today. The potential of oil sands is locked up in the need for water to produce and a place to put the millions of barrels of waste water. And sand.

    Further the SA figures are pure conjecture, water cut and injection at Ghrawar is at 40% - 50% and 7 million barrels a day. Hardly an indication of a healthy well.

    Drilling five miles into the sea is hardly a promising future. Is there more recoverable oil? For sure. Is it low hanging fruit? Well actually you will need a truck with a motorized extension ladder.
    2008 Jun 12 08:59 AM | Link | Reply
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    In addition to the other posts I would like to add that there is no way that we will be able to actual produce the entire 1.2 Trillion barrels. Reserve depletion rates are logarithmic, and then you also have to consider the net export factors (i.e. how much of the production of oil exporters will actually make it into the world supply and not be used for their domestic consumption.

    No, I don't buy this argument. We are tight on the supply/demand curve and I will remain very nervous about the crude supply unless and until someone discovers another super-giant field, if ever.
    2008 Jun 12 09:05 AM | Link | Reply
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    Another attempt by the libs to create panic and desperation, in order to allow government to take over and over-legislate another aspect of our lives.

    Reserves divided by Production = an R/P ratio of 42 years, or 42 years of oil left in the ground as of 2007.

    What do you think the R/P was in 1997? 41 years.
    What was the R/P in 1987? 41 years.
    What was the R/P in 1980? 29 years.
    What do you think the R/P will be in 2017? 2027?

    Maybe we shouldn't be panicking so much right now about oil. I think we need to look more at what influence financial players are having on the price of oil in the futures and options markets. That may lead to a solution faster than any energy legislation that Obama and McCain have in store for us.
    2008 Jun 12 09:18 AM | Link | Reply
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    PHD is from the Homer Simpson School of Finance and Economics. We should all run out this weekend and buy a Hummer before the inventory is depleted.
    2008 Jun 12 09:21 AM | Link | Reply
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    Sorry Mr. Hayward, but those reserves don't belong to BP, ExxonMobil, Shell et al. They belong to those sovereign countries who may decide to enjoy the higher oil price rather than share it with you.

    The major oil execs have been downplaying the rise in energy prices... why? Obviously they are no better than many others in predicting where oil prices are going, but perhaps it is in order to reduce sovereign countries' desire to control such valuable assets.

    The USA in particular will (must) learn to use these assets (much of which is imported) more wisely in order to survive in the long run. Higher energy prices are here to stay and ANWR (if it ever is explored) is not the panacea that many believe. The cost to discover, produce, and transport at the same time as protect the environment, will be quite high. At the consumption rates of the USA, any proven reserves there would not last long in any case.

    As others have stated, recoverable reserves - and the cost to recover those reserves is a critical issue that the author does not really consider. The sooner that investors in the western world really understand that although an integral part of the world economy, there are now many other major economies that will place huge demands on the world's reserves of all non-renewables.

    This time it really is different. Commodities (Oil; Gas; Base Metals; Gold) - A once in a lifetime investment opportunity.

    2008 Jun 12 09:22 AM | Link | Reply
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    smith34m
    We have needed an energy policy for many years. I have absolutley zero confidence that this government can produce a workable document of this kind. Look at their record.

    Our Congress has the perfect system for doing nothing and getting away with it. They just blame one another for not getting anything done and the American people buy it.

    Both sides love this system and they will never change it.

    They work very few hours, get big paycheck, huge pensions, lots of perks and live the life of a Rockstar.

    Nothing will change as long as we have this two party system in place. Every incumbent needs to be removed.
    2008 Jun 12 09:24 AM | Link | Reply
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    Rouster,

    You're right, of course. The world's no more in danger of running out of oil than air. Faced with this "incovenient truth," the Greens invented "global warming" as their next effort to run our lives and get into our pocketbooks.

    What they didn't figure on was that the sharp run-up in oil prices resulting from these scare tactics would wake up the American public. Fortunately, we're on to them now, and it's only a matter of time until we end this self-imposed boycott on our domestic energy reserves.

    The funny part is reasonable people have no objection to the technologies being developed in the private sector that will help us conserve fuels and become more energy independent. What we object to is their efforts to impose sanctions and higher taxes on our daily lives via government fiat at the same time.

    It also shows us once again that we can't reason with the devotees of the Green Menace who wish to rob us of our freedoms and liberty.

    2008 Jun 12 10:10 AM | Link | Reply
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    Oil is infinite: oilismastery.blogspot..../
    2008 Jun 12 10:16 AM | Link | Reply
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    br1756
    The problem with your 34-40 yr analysis is that 20 years ago, when I went to work for Conoco, we had guess what - 40 years of reserves in the world.

    As the author pointed out, reserves have been GROWING, that means more oil has been found than was produced.

    Trust me, this is all a shell game, and at some point it will crater to $50 or lower and OPEC will be all woe is me and the oil producing states will take it on the chin as they always do during the bust that follows all booms.
    2008 Jun 12 10:32 AM | Link | Reply
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    The best news I've heard recently is the Saudi's decision to call an emergency meeting of OPEC later this month. These masters of the oil price shell game see the handwriting on the wall. They want to get ahead of the curve as they realize the American public is about to overthrow the Green Menace and end our self-imposed boycott of our domestic energy reserves.

    They've seen this game play out before, and will call on their members to supply the world with additional oil in an attempt to retain their price control supremacy. Only this time it won't work.
    The public's demand to increase domestic energy production and the advancement of alternative technologies have come too far to be put back in the OPEC cartel's box now.


    As usual, the Liberals in the Congress have got it exactly wrong once again. No one's "speculating" about oil prices, the markets have simply been following their lead. And, as for OPEC, we don't need to sue them, just compete.
    2008 Jun 12 10:41 AM | Link | Reply
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    The question is fatuous as is the post. The issue is not reserves. It's production. It's supply and demand. The causes of declining or peaking production can be debated but I wouldn't waste my time with people calling it a bubble on the basis of reserve numbers, many of which are unverifiable and likely bogus.
    2008 Jun 12 10:48 AM | Link | Reply
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    Brian,

    Good to hear from you again!

    I followed your lead and learned about inorganic oil... truly fascinating. Thank you!

    The only problem I see is that due to its location, oil will continue to become more expensive to produce in the foreseeable future.

    Thanks again, and I look forward to your future posts on this subject.

    2008 Jun 12 10:59 AM | Link | Reply
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    Great post Perry!! Twenty years from now the Middle East and Putin will be standing in oil up to their neck. Its amazing how quickly technology can turn things around. Most of the world will be using nuclear power. Short term the dropping demand for oil will lower the price. ($50 ?)
    2008 Jun 12 11:26 AM | Link | Reply
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    I'm depressed that humans as a species have not managed to evolve beyond this. Will people in the future laugh when they remember us in the early 21st century fighting over liquified dinosaur remains? Where is my flying car already?
    2008 Jun 12 11:34 AM | Link | Reply
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    CLH,

    I hope you're right. Unfortunately, at the rate we're going it may take 20 years to build the NEXT U.S. based nuclar reactor. But that's the historic problem with government, it doesn't know how to get out of the way. Our hope is that we can continue to overcome its endemic intransigience.
    2008 Jun 12 11:42 AM | Link | Reply
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    The major problem with R/P ratios is that the P declines much faster than the R. The result is a rising R/P ratio but declining production. It is the rate of production that affects the price of crude, not the remaining reserves.
    2008 Jun 12 11:54 AM | Link | Reply
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    A very good read:

    www.simmonsco-intl.com...
    2008 Jun 12 12:04 PM | Link | Reply
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    Morgan Stanley is pure evil. They raise oil to $150 last Friday. Then today they downgrade the entire energy sector:


    www.marketwatch.com/ne...

    You've got to love this quote:

    "Morgan Stanley noted that this year's steep jump in oil prices could put a lid on demand.
    "We acknowledge that the political risk premium for oil may have escalated in recent months, but even so, we have seen the price rise by an amount that is increasingly difficult to explain by short-term supply fundamentals alone," said Morgan Stanley, which is boosting its stakes in financials and reducing some holdings in energy."


    The investment banks need to be shut down.
    2008 Jun 12 12:13 PM | Link | Reply
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    This is a conservative estimate.

    The estimate does not take into consideration the fast developing ultra-deepwater, deep-drilling exploration that is taking place in the waters off Brazil's coast, not does it consider much of the deepwater oil off of West Africa's coast, not the huge potential oil fields off the America's East coast in the Carolina Trough, which Congressional Democrats won't even let the oil companies take a look at.

    Also, new science is suggesting there is lots of oil, if expensive to explore and produce -- $70 a barrel is the average "lift" expense. "Abiotic Principles" have the potential to direct the world to large new oil deposits.

    Check out the Oil Is Mastery website -- where Abiotic Principles -- backed up by hard science -- are focussing on ultra-deepwater, deep-drilling, where big results are already coming in off Brazil's coast.
    2008 Jun 12 12:23 PM | Link | Reply
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    A trillion barrels are gone and there are a trillion barrels left. This is precisely the peak oil scenario where we are half way through the oil age and now begins the period of declining production and high prices. In addition a lot of the remaining oil is in difficult to reach areas like the arctic and deep ocean, or it is the lower quality heavy sour crude (the low hanging fruit has been picked). And middle east countries are known to have overstated their oil reserves (see, for example, Matt Simmons).
    2008 Jun 12 12:26 PM | Link | Reply
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    Oil has no more "peaked" or is running out than is water. It's just so much more pseudo-science, like global warming. But the scare tactics employed by the Greens and their minions in our Congress (...and LOVED by the Arabs and oil producers everywhere) have made it permanently more expensive.

    Oil traders DON'T speculate. All they do is read the newspapers and watch the dummies on TV do their work for them and make their bets (...ie. investments) accordingly. See what happens when we're successful in forcing the "Know Nothings" in Washington end their self-imposed boycott of our nation's energy reserves.

    We seen this game played out here in the oil patch many times before. So take a tip, you won't want to long in oil then!
    2008 Jun 12 12:44 PM | Link | Reply
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    People who simply sit in the corner and shriek about the liberals and the so-called "green menace" are as much a part of the problem as people who drive their Escalades out to protest the latest fashionable environmental cause.

    Demand for oil is rising, and though Hubbert's career was nearly destroyed for his peak oil prediction, it is entirely obvious that he was absolutely right. So, probably sooner rather than later, we will "run out" in the sense that we will not be able to expand production quickly and effectively enough to support growing demand. Sure, plenty of oil will be left in the ground, but that's not what's meant by running out in this scenario. We're going to go to war over this stuff, again and again, unless and until we can wean ourselves off it.

    We must embark on an energy independence program in the United States, and that means drilling everywhere in the short term, building out nuclear, solar, wind, geothermal, biomass, and other viable alternatives in the medium term, and developing net-positive liquid fuels for the long term. Simultaneously, we MUST address an infrastructure and culture that is almost completely single-occupant automobile dependent. It's wasteful and stupid, and we simply can't pay for it anymore. That's also a long-term problem.

    Real leadership in this country will emerge when we start looking inward again, and when we recognize that we're either all going to live together or we're all going to die together. Stop screeching about "liberals this" and "green menace that." Stop squealing about endless protections for places we can't afford to set aside forever anymore, thanks to our own stupidity, avarice, and profligacy up to now.

    Let's start finding ways to come together as a nation so that we can have at least SOME chance to survive now and set our children up to thrive later.
    2008 Jun 12 12:46 PM | Link | Reply
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    How does this article jibe with this one:

    news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/bu...

    Quote:

    "It's a great global debate. What has driven oil prices to their current dizzy heights?

    According to the oil producers' cartel Opec, the blame lies with speculators in the international markets. But Tony Hayward, chief executive of BP, describes that view as "a myth".

    He argues that the main cause is the tight balance between global supply and demand. "
    2008 Jun 12 01:09 PM | Link | Reply
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    Why all the irrational vitriol directed at "greens"? I don't get it, why a group of people who advocate risk management when it comes to climate change get so much hatred directed at them for curtailing 'freedoms'. I'd say the patriot act did just as good a job and it was a bipartisan effort. Besides, what is wrong about ending our dependence on fossil fuels? something wrong with evolution? Nuff said.
    About the supply demand problem, three factors we have to think about:
    - rate at which oil can be pumped from the ground is finite. Even the biggest reserves take time to extract, and the faster you try to extract them the faster the geological formations will "break", resulting in oil that cannot be recovered (see recent mexican production). We can pump oil for 1000 years - just not very much by then.
    - new discoveries typically take 7-10 years to come online, longer for remote projects (I worked for a supplier to Sakhalin I and II - these places are a logistical nightmare)
    - high inflation in oil producing countries means it is in their interest to see high prices. They need to maintain their social welfare systems and the only way to do it in an inflationary economy is by restricting supplies.
    Dr. Perry may be right about reserves, but how much is in the ground doesn't set the price - it's how fast we pump it minus how fast we burn it (plus some manipulation by the hedgies). Right now that is almost at parity and until demand goes down it won't change. I'm willing to bet that if prices do start to drop below $100/barrel OPEC will reduce production. I'm also willing to bet that we will see nothing but a super volatile market for at least the rest of the summer, which will vindicate the bears when it drops and the bulls when it skyrockets. All the while the hedgies will be playing off each other to see who has the fastest algorithm on the trading floor...
    High oil prices are the best thing for this country. Nothing spurs innovation better than a hungry belly, and Americans have been too fat too long.
    2008 Jun 12 01:30 PM | Link | Reply
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    Great post, Lex, thank you.

    Unfortunately, however, we've already tried that. The problem is, like in marriage, both sides have to be willing to compromise. If not, you get divorced. And we need a divorce from the Greens.

    The Democrats in Congress have done their very best to create a self-imposed boycott on ALL FORMS of our nation's domestic energy reserves. The facts are indisputable here.

    So we have a choice (...thank God!). We can either succumb to their view of the world, replete with higher taxes and diminished liberties, or we can stand and fight this tyranny.

    I don't like humongous SUV's and wasteful energy use more than you do. I don't own one myself. But the truth is, we're already at "war" over energy and our way of life. Personally, I'm not ready to give up on either.
    2008 Jun 12 01:33 PM | Link | Reply
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    I agree with the sentiment that weaning ourselves off oil (globally if possible, but mandatory in the US) is by far the sanest course of action. The sooner we start on that course, the faster this painful episode will be over, and woe to us all if we haven't made great strides in clean renewable energy by 2030. The world economy is addicted to oil as if it were heroin. We all sound like a bunch of drug addicts these days, "I know there's more out there, we just have to find it...one more hit man".
    2008 Jun 12 01:40 PM | Link | Reply
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    Well, paulk, we're going to face far higher taxes irrespective of what anyone thinks or says or does about oil. We can't fund our current obligations, let alone have a prayer of funding future obligations, and I see no one in Congress, irrespective of party affiliation, willing to tackle that issue. Even if taxes rise to 100% on individuals and corporations we can't fund ourselves, so sooner or later something absolutely has to break.

    When you say "we've tried that before" with respect to cooperation and a multi-partisan approach to energy policy, I'm somewhat lost. I don't recall any energy policy in our country other than "keep it cheap and burn it all," which I recognize is hyperbole, but the point remains: I haven't seen the cooperation you speak of. Would love to have a countervailing viewpoint on that.

    I'm not sure either that I understand the argument that environmentalists want to take away people's liberties. Certainly I think there are fringe elements that want us all to die in the name of Gaia, but the broader streams seem to be advocating more strongly for reducing energy demand and for cleaning up. Both of these seem like good things to me, especially in the longer term.

    I am hopeful that leadership will emerge - and soon, at that - that will tackle the twin perils of fiscal irresponsibility and energy irresponsibility, and that will create a unified front, or at least a "middle path" toward restoring America's potential. We've squandered a lot of it. I don't think it's too late to turn it around but I do think we have to stop screaming at each other first and foremost.

    By the way I think Lewisabroad is absolutely right: high energy prices are a great thing insofar as they spark innovation. We have indeed been too fat for too long.
    2008 Jun 12 01:51 PM | Link | Reply
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    the increment in oil price is to reflect the shrunken US dollars. I doubt that the US dollars has fallen 50% value. 20 months ago, is cost $70 per barrel, now $130

    Speculation, greed ..... ripp off
    2008 Jun 12 01:54 PM | Link | Reply
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    keep in mind, this is all based on todays/yesterdays consumption. With the "green" way of life and people moving to mass transportation, hybrids, commuting, riding bikes etc - we are not going to consume as much as we are now. so, this could be much more than 40+ years in reserves. I'm sure 20,30 or 40 years from now...we (hopefully), won't have to rely on oil
    2008 Jun 12 02:01 PM | Link | Reply
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    Suggestion...Quit driving! hehehe...I can only say that because i work from home and hardly drive at all...- but when i do drive, i make up for it by doing 90 MPH wherever i go...hey, i want my fair share of the precious commodity too! ok, for those of you without a sense of humor....
    2008 Jun 12 02:09 PM | Link | Reply
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    one more thing before i get back to work...what baffles me is that we are so up in arms with the big oil companies, the Feds, etc etc over the price of gas and what a scam it is...let's take a look at our past cosumption for a minute...how many of you drive your car with nobody else in it?? how many of us can use the commuter lane??? how many have SUV's, or drive what would be considered a gas guzzlers? how many of us drive well over the speed limit? we have been taking advantage and using beyond our share and have been for decades! we did this to ourselves, people! it's amazing it took until 2008 for people to wake up and smell the
    2008 Jun 12 02:17 PM | Link | Reply
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    The United States of America is in an Oil Crisis that is being Deliberately Created for the Express Purpose of Fleecing the Citizens of The United States of America. We may or may not have a Global Warming Problem. The Jury is still out as to whether Global Warming is Man Made or just going through Earth's Normal Warming and Cooling Cycles.

    Lastly There may be an Oil Crisis .... but there is no Oil Shortage in our Life Time. Even IF The United States of America foolishly chooses to Not Harvest the (Huge) ANWR Oil Fields ....... Russia, the Middle East, Venesuala and many other Countries will continue to Pump Oil out of their Oil Fields and get Rich Selling it to us !!! Damn ..... What Idiots and Fools we are !!!
    2008 Jun 12 02:22 PM | Link | Reply
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    Man oh man jcrash you have got that right about this oil mess being a shell game. That is really what is going on right now, oil is being used as a Las Vegas gambling game. The speculators are the winners and the consumers are the losers As soon as that Wall Street bell rings I can practically picture W.S. saying "Place your bets, place your bets folks" and the speculators start throwing thier moolah on the table. I for one am getting damn sick and tired of having MY lifestyle, MY thinking, and MY habits dictated to me by the gambleholic W.S. bastards that is doing this to us. We are NOT, yeah, that's right, NOT running out of oil. My father is a retired geologist and it was his job to go out and find the pockets of oil to be drilled an if he says what is going on then I believe him. He says that we have enough oil to comfortably last us for at least 100 more years. Hell, in a hundred years we won't even be needing oil anymore, we will have moved on to other energy sources and oil being used for fuel will be so yesteryear. So the gambling that the oil markets are doing on there being "no oil, no oil for tommorow! (oh goodness me) is all being based on a bunch of hype loaded horsecrap. (Remember boys and girls that the dictionary describes speculation as "wild guessing' so our wallets are being run by a bunch of buttholes who are making bets that in turn could financally sink me and you based on a buch of wild guessing. Makes you just want to reach over and bitchslap them speculators,doesn't it.)
    I for one do believe in global warming, I don't think that has anything to do with rising oil prices done at the expense of the consumer. This all to do with greed plain and simple. I do think that Obama will do someting about this while I don't think McCain will do a damn thing. Bush is the far-right and the far-right beleives on just what is happening now, that the econmy should be based on what Wall street does and says (that's just how thw rich get richewr and everybody else goes to the poorhouse) and not what the average persons pocketbook and wallet says. Bush has f**ked us big time with this way of thinking and I hope Obama will get us out.
    For the record I am for more drilling. OPEC is laughing their butts off about this being that the world is looking to them to get us out. No they ain't going to do it because they are loving these here high oil prices. It take Madam Swarmi and here pack of mystical future and fortune telling tarot cards to look into the days ahead to see where Bush's trip over there to ask for more oil was going. Of course OPEC was going to tell him no. They probably did it with a giggle and a smirk. it's time we stop this and we do need to at least some drilling to get our oen oil and to put OPEC in thier place which is long overdue!
    I find very hard to believe that "we are running out of petro", China's insatiable thirst for oil as well as India's (what, do they drink this stuff for breakfast as in "I'll have two pancakes, a bowl of Boo Berry cereal, a pattie of sausge, oh and a cup of oil to wash it all down with) and so forth all was happening BEFORE the war in Iraq began. I don't recall hearing about any of this tripe before the war it's seems like all of the nonsesnse started happening as soon as Bush in his infinite warmongering started picking a fight his good ole enemy Saddam Hussein.
    This is the bottm line, OPEC, Big Oil, and Wall Street's wild guessing gamblers, - oh I am sorry, speculators - is doing this out of greed and hope that that bubble will pop and they look like the con artists they really are (and while I'm on it if I hear one more butthole say "pain at the pump' I''ll murder them because i am getting damn sick and tired of hearing that term whch as become the "cute" catchphrase of the media such as "Whatcha ya talking about Willis" was to Differ'nt Strokes and "Hhaayyyy" was to Happy Days. I don't feel pain, I feel like I am being ripped off, been had, and so forth. Gouge at the Gas Station is more like it!)
    This brings to my mind a Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck cartoon where they find the Arabian Knight's treasure in a cave. Daffy takes it all for himself and wants to leave nothing for anybody else. He finds a lamp and out pops a genie whos says he is Daffy's slave. Daffy shoves him back into the lamp telling the genie to get lost, the tresure is all his. The genie comes roaring out pissed and says that he's insulted and Daffy must now pay the consequences. Daffy then says pompously " Consequences, schmoquences, as long I'M rich". The genies the punishes Daffy. Imagine the public as that genie and the before named villian's of the oil market as Daffy. That's what will happen.
    2008 Jun 12 02:34 PM | Link | Reply
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    Estimated reserves are a function of estimated future crude oil prices less estimated future production costs. Has this been considered and included in the "Statistical Review of World Energy 2008"?
    2008 Jun 12 03:09 PM | Link | Reply
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    And the madness just continues. As a country, we have put huge portions of prime oil drilling areas off limits for 'environmental' reasons. So instead of spending our money on production in the US, helping our economy, creating jobs, we send our billions for oil to people that are trying to kill us. ABSOLUTE MADNESS!!!
    2008 Jun 12 06:58 PM | Link | Reply
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    1. Speculators and traders perform a vital service, communicating and competitively adjudicating prices. You can't have an auction without bidders.

    2. The cost of oil production has soared, partly because easy targets are exhausted and partly because there has been secular inflation (taxes, standard of living, money supply, oil industry skill shortage and declining rig count, cash piling up in China).

    3. Tar sands, deepwater, Arctic 'reserves' should be discounted if not entirely ignored. Abiotic sourcing is absolute hooey.

    4. BP -- 'Beyond Petroleum' -- is about to get their financial butts sawed off in Russia, just like Shell and Exxon did. I interpret Mr. Hayward's press release as a plea bargain. Don't blame me, he says, because those selfish Arabs and Russians won't let BP grow and thrive. The new, improved estimates of world 'reserves' are a joke. The one and only thing that matters is production.

    5. It doesn't matter whether you play the momentum up or down. What's at stake is energy to produce food, heat homes, get from point A to point B in an airplane, 18-wheeler, or battle tank. That's why we're in Iraq. That's why we have a Strategic Oil Reserve, to power the gas-guzzling U.S. military. Economic history of World War I and II paints a clear picture of what happened last time nations fought nations for control of oilfields. War risk is $30+ per barrel today. I don't see that risk evaporating any time soon.
    2008 Jun 12 07:56 PM | Link | Reply
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    Look at the USGS discovery curves at this link. How dumb are you?
    www.philhart.com/peak_...
    2008 Jun 12 10:28 PM | Link | Reply
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    The world does have plenty of oil, but most of it will take years and billions of dollars in investment to get to; that's why you have high oil prices today. The oil that's sitting under a mile of salt which itself is sitting under miles of the Atlantic Ocean off the coast of Rio won't lower oil prices until it is extracted in significant quantities. That could take 5-10 years, which is why I am bullish on oil over the next 5 years.
    2008 Jun 13 01:07 AM | Link | Reply
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    Your reserve number is way off. It's more like >225 trillion barrels of proven reserves.

    www.nasa.gov/centers/j...

    "Saturn's orange moon Titan has hundreds of times more liquid hydrocarbons than all the known oil and natural gas reserves on Earth, according to new data from NASA's Cassini spacecraft. The hydrocarbons rain from the sky, collecting in vast deposits that form lakes and dunes."

    Transocean should change it's name to Transpace and start developing our natural resources.
    2008 Jun 13 02:22 AM | Link | Reply
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    I am surprised that nobody has mentioned the book "Energy Victory" by Robert Zubrin. I read it a few weeks ago and cannot recommend it highly enough. Some highlights:

    1. Most muslims just want to live like normal people, but the wackos (the Wahhabists whose leadership is in Saudi Arabia) have been using the flood of oil money to finance their worldwide network of Jihadist schools and cells. Until we dedicate ourselves to cutting off their funding, we are engaging in a global game of whack-a-mole with an endless supply of enemies.

    2. Corn Ethanol is one of the least efficient ways to implement biofuels, but it makes our corn lobby happy and the oil lobby certainly supports anything that makes biofuels look bad. Many other crops are better for producing ethanol, and methanol (which is being blatantly ignored here even though the original Ford research talked about it) can be produced from nearly any kind of organic matter. The technology already exists to burn most combinations of gas/eth/meth but it costs just a little more so the vaunted free market doesn't want to be bothered with it.

    3. The "hydrogen economy" is doomed to fail once people try to figure out how to actually implement it in a cost-effective and consumer-safe way. There is too much basic physics and chemistry arguing against the viability of a hydrogen powered passenger vehicle. It's a blatant distraction and only useful for pretending to do something while denying more funding to technologies that have a real chance of working.

    4. Global warming is both natural and man-made. The earth itself can handle much higher temperatures (and very early in its history, it did), but we know much less about human civilization's ability to cope with rising sea levels and the shifting of fertile regions from one place to another. For example, Iraq and Egypt used to be much greener places than they are now, but that all changed over the past 5000 years. Our current greenhouse gas emissions are not an imminent threat, but they will be if we continue to burn only fossil fuels and overload the biosphere with pollution and more carbon than it can process.
    2008 Jun 13 02:26 AM | Link | Reply
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    A couple of problems.
    Part One...there is no external agency is allowed to see what OPEC countries really have in reserve and it probably like the late 70-80 numbers they are way over inflated.
    Part Two.. the problem is not how much reserves are there but will they keep up with demand growth. Currently supply/production of oil has been flat since 2005 just like in the early 90's. This is of course in comparison not in nomial terms but with growth. World demand growth at this time has been around 5%.
    Part Three. We will never run out of oil becasue there will be a point in which the energy or cost to extract it will vastly exceed its price or energy output. However we will reach a point where the sacrity come into view, insuch that the price of oil wil greatly increase. Notabily.. given the huge play that oil has in every country's economics there is nodoubt that world tensions will rise and i would say war would not be ruled out. Remember Japan? they attacked the US because the US cut off their oil supply....
    2008 Jun 13 06:40 AM | Link | Reply
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    The "oil bubble" phrase caught my eye, for it is just what I , and perhaps may other investors, have been mulling over. No one thought the silicon valley start ups would ever collapse; and suffice it to say that even the rarefied atmosphere experts were blind sided by the interminably balooning real estate bubble. My strong caution today is that the hysteria will subside over barrel prices, and a whole new population of investors will be impoverished overnight. Where does all this arrogance come from? For one thing, almost no one reads the Bible anymore, nor do they think morality has anything to do with anything. In fact it has everything to do with everything. The vast numbers of homes and lives razed by natural disasters has sharply increased, and will continue to get worse. The very reason those preachers we love to hate are so alarmed is because they Have read the Bible...moral decline equals economic decline, crop failure, and military defeat following that. The pattern is crystal clear, and no more vivid than in Judges, where Israel fell into moral morass, and humiliating ravaging by foreign invaders from Western Arabia seven times in a row. The seventh time, Gideon with only 300 men slaughtered 50,000 Midianites. Upon Gideon's return, the Hebrews celebrated by making a golden idol, and quaffing wine and fornicating in front of it. ...duh...
    Brace yourselves for more devastating rounds of shock and dismay -for I assure you no one takes this seriously at all.
    2008 Jun 13 08:51 AM | Link | Reply
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    If you're a believer in peak oil than year 2006 may be your special year. Check the BP 2008 Survey's "Oil Production" page. Global production of oil actually decreased slightly in 2007. 2006 was the highest year ever. The issue isn't how many reserves there are or even how much oil is produced - it's how much is available for export and what the last desperate buyer is willing to pay. Even as global production is declining, consumption by exporting countries is increasing, very rapidly in some cases (BP Survey 2008 page on "Oil Consumption"). Oil available for export is declining. Looking at the chart at the top of the article, note where most of the reserves are - the Middle East - surrounded by China, Russia, and others who have and will compete with the US for all types of advantage, long into the future. Check this link for an alternative view of the future:

    www.prudentbear.com/in...

    I don't disagree with anything the BP Chairman said. But I think his comments are completely irrelevent.
    2008 Jun 13 10:56 AM | Link | Reply
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    So, like if I were running the US of A, I would open a few areas to drilling and make it look like I was willing to open a bunch more areas. Strike fear in OPEC that if they don't increase production to lower costs that a lot more currently cost prohibitive reserves are going to come online to increase production. Oil pricing is a game that our Pres and VP are not really playing because their (and their cronies') investments make more money when oil prices are high.
    2008 Jun 13 12:06 PM | Link | Reply
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    You are going to take the word of the Saudi's and Hugo Chavez in detemining 'proven' oil reserves? You can't be serious. Neither of them will allow independent agencies to confirm their reserves. I think they have much less than they claim. If they did why aren't they pumping more? If you could get $125 a barrel instead of the $60 they were getting just a year ago don't you think they would have already increased production by now instead of having to be pressured by Pres. Bush?
    2008 Jun 13 01:24 PM | Link | Reply
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    Actually, bodie...and others... considering the world p0pulation is expected to nearly double over the next 30-40 years, oil consumption most likely will actually increase, not decrease. Sure alternative fuels and the movement towards 'green' sources will help, but it's not gonna make up for an additional 4-5 billion people in the world. No way.
    2008 Jun 13 01:34 PM | Link | Reply
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    Peak Oil is real. Those official oil reserve numbers are cooked. Giant oil field production depletion is the real story.

    Yesterday there was a spectacular paradigm shift event. Please read about it on this Seeking Alpha entry:
    seekingalpha.com/artic...

    Also read my thoughts on Peak Oil:
    seekingalpha.com/artic...
    2008 Jun 13 02:30 PM | Link | Reply
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    It is true that total world liquid fuel supplies have been increasing over the past decade (moderately though, with the incline flattening more recently). However, a considerable portion of those increased supplies have come from natural gas liquids and ethanol, which both have lower energy densities than conventional crude oil. On an energy yield basis, which is what is important, supplies of liquid energy have probably flat-lined over the past few years. With liquid energy supplies (on an energy density basis) going nowhere and demand increasing, it is no wonder that prices have soared over the past decade.
    2008 Jun 13 02:33 PM | Link | Reply
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    Paulk, is opening up remaining US reserves our best option?
    1. It won't have any affect on global supply for 7-10 years.
    2. I won't lower prices in the US unless global demand goes up less than the incremental increase in production those fields provide. The only affect domestic production has is on the trade balance and some local employment. Great benefits, I admit, but I think far more jobs could be created by developing a technology-driven alternative fuels / alternative technology economy and exporting. Chevy Volt, PV research, and cellulosic biofuels research are a few examples. If we are successful with these then nobody would be buying the oil from the Sauds, Iran, or Chavez, they would be buying or licensing tech from US firms.
    3. In 30-50 years, when foreign reserves are tapped, won't our children and grandchildren be glad there is still some production capacity in the US? Might it be a more valuable strategic commodity when it is left in the ground for use in the future when it is more scarce? I suppose this may be one reason the Sauds are reluctant to increase production - the other being maybe they can't...
    4. www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/s... says it all: "With respect to the world oil price impact, projected ANWR oil production constitutes between 0.4 and 1.2 percent of total world oil consumption in 2030, based on the low and high resource cases, respectively. Consequently, ANWR oil production is not projected to have a large impact on world oil prices."

    Jacktrader - if you read this, could you elaborate? I'd love to hear more detail about how the estimates are calc'd

    Last point, $4 a gallon for gas is still cheap folks - Europeans, Japanese have been paying more for over a decade. And before we go pointing fingers at the Chinese and Indians their per capita oil use is 1/12th and 1/34th of the US, respectively.
    2008 Jun 13 02:43 PM | Link | Reply
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    hedgies and greenies!!!
    sounds like a good Pixar cartoon

    I believe it is a false market that will hopefully crash! What about the surplus oil sitting in tankers off shore as they have no where else to store it?

    What worries me is the lack of regulation in this market (look up ICE!) just like Enron and sub prime mortgages; so much money is being printed and shuffled around -fortunes need to be made!! Only problem is the man on the street will loose out again, someone has to pay for a burgeoning bureaucracy and dare I say it, a silly war over oil!

    smoke and mirrors...........
    2008 Jun 13 04:18 PM | Link | Reply
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    I really don't think the general public has more than 18 second sound bite of information from the major news outlets to have a very rational understanding of world oil supplies and the mythical (not to mention unscientific) belief in running out. If people would take the time to read the works of experts like Thomas Gold and J. F. Kenny, as well as others, they would begin to see that the fear of running out of petroleum (not a limitted fossil fuel by the way!) they would see just how, like sheep, we've been lead to the proverbial slaughter. We're not going to run out any time in the next 1,000 years. So just get over it!

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    oil experts to seek a deeper meaning
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    2008 Jun 13 05:03 PM | Link | Reply
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    Don't any scientist get it? OIL is in the earth for a reason and that is not for man to use it!!!!! Think about it.....What does oil do in a car? It LUBRICATES parts to prevent friction which causes HEAT!! Simply put oil is the BLOOD of the Earth! There is alot of friction going on below us and without oil to LUBRICATE the rocks the Earth's core will only get hotter. Remember water is NOT A LUBRICANT!!!! Until we STOP taking the BLOOD of Gods Earth out of the ground this Earth will continue to heat up until BOILING!! We are PLAYING WITH FIRE! Is it really worth it??????????
    2008 Jun 13 06:11 PM | Link | Reply
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    Yes oil is in bubble stage now. Only few intelligent people like you know the correct position of the oil market. Thank you for publishing this article and educating people.

    We do not know much about derivatives, complex instruments involved in the oil futures market. Further we get all types of players in the market now. They play paper trading almost 24 hours per day. On top of that speculators and new players also very active now.

    Very soon there will be burst in the commodity market together with oil.

    Already people are converting their vehicles to LPG gas, replacing their cars to scooters and bicycles, using pool cars to work and more careful now in managing their fuels through out the world. Airlines are reducing capacity and travel routes. Some factories and plants are finding difficult to run their operations and planning to shut down soon. People are unwilling to pay current price for oil. If that is so will they pay $200 dollar per barrel. No way. If it happens not only there will be total collapse in the oil market but also in other sectors.

    In addition Saudi Arabia is going t announce increase of oil production in next meeting.
    Even these people have realized higher oil price going to hit them back hard in the long run. US Dollar will go up in next 12 months and even Fed will increase interest rate.
    Currently we see rapid rise in some commodities. Similarly there will be rapid decline in these commodities in next 12 months. You can also see volatility in the market. What all these meant for?

    So instead of going oil barrel to $200 it will come down below $70 a barrel of oil very soon.

    Time to time people bring different theory to mislead people. In 1980s also they talked about peak oil. We know what happened to oil market then.

    Still there is no scarcity in oil as such and can produce oil to meet demand.


    2008 Jun 13 11:58 PM | Link | Reply
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    Hopefully we WILL run out of oil! Before burning it destroys the planet irreversibly.
    2008 Jun 14 02:42 AM | Link | Reply
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    I love the smell of crude oil in the morning: www.kusi.com/weather/c...
    2008 Jun 14 02:49 AM | Link | Reply
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    If what you present is accurate, why have the Oil Companies not increased their reserves? why is Shell paying for expensive oil sands? why has the CEO of TOTAL accepted the Peak oil theory?
    and for you, mr. PHD: Why have economist been sooooo wrong modeling oil prices?

    Cheers
    Swiss Gnome
    2008 Jun 14 08:51 AM | Link | Reply
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    Excellent article. I am uncomfortable with trading around to it in the short term though.

    1. I am not certain we can trust reported reserve numbers from some countries. (Bullish)

    2. One of the few things I remember about commodity pricing from my micro economics classes is that commodity pricing tries to balance where marginal prices equal marginal cost to produce. So what is the marginal cost to FIND, drill and produce a new barrel of oil? Given the complexity of the calculation, I'm not sure anyone knows for sure anymore. Given the depths to which they are drilling these days, the fact that very little refinery investment for the sours crudes or bitumen that makes up an increasing percentage of reserves, its probably much higher than it used to be. Add to this the risk factor that oil is a political commodity and when it is found it is always at risk of some sort of expropriation or re-negotiation. (Bullish - too much uncertainty.)

    I dunno, seems to me that there are grounds to believe that the price could come down hard. Also, there are pretty good grounds for thinking otherwise. Without a really big strike or increase in short term easy to use reserves or inventories, seems to me to be a dangerous trend to bet against. Just don't see the event for an inflection point yet.

    2008 Jun 14 09:11 AM | Link | Reply
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    Many are reluctant to short oil becauseof the start of hurricane season and the authors article is very informative
    2008 Jun 14 11:05 AM | Link | Reply
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    Ignorant people say the solution is to drill for more oil in the USA, but if the USA had to supply its entire oil demand of 21 million barrels per day without resorting to foreign imports, existing US reserves would last only three years at the current rate of consumption. Even ANWR only has about 6 months worth of oil. Yet, we often hear morons claim it has TONS of oil. LOL! Idiots.

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    2008 Jun 14 11:13 AM | Link | Reply
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    Have you guys gone to college? Oil is declining resource like gold. Oil will never be "exhusted" but the price will go up for the rest of time just like gold and the other declining resources. The question is can a world economy that has been built with $40 oil survive on $140 oil. I think not. Think about the hundreds of millions of folks that won't be able to afford to heat their homes this winter or buy enough food for the table. Countries with declining energy resources (like Mexico) are going to start hoarding their supplies and then we are in danger of chaos and war.
    2008 Jun 14 01:14 PM | Link | Reply
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    come on, enough for the calling for open the reservations, that is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. We are winning huge now
    2008 Jun 14 01:46 PM | Link | Reply
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    I agree with User 169159. We ran out of oil a hundred years ago and you should pay me a million dollars per barrel for my contracts.
    2008 Jun 14 04:33 PM | Link | Reply
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    If the greens are responsible for oil price manipulation with their $100
    million budget, how much can big oil and big government with their trillions? Follow the money, dummy!
    2008 Jun 14 05:43 PM | Link | Reply
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    A lot of those reserves only exist on paper. The OPEC producers in the Persian Gulf have vastly overstated their reserves to increase their production quotas.
    2008 Jun 15 09:47 PM | Link | Reply
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    Peak oil is real make no mistake about it.
    What's not real is all the hoopla that goes around it such as mass starvation etc.
    There *are* solutions in the form of mass transit and electrified cars.
    Even hydrogen cars would work if they weren't so expensive and we didn't need to install so much infrastructure.

    No, the risk right now is that some idiot starts a war and causes a fast shutdown of oil exports before we have had enough of a chance to switch over to alternatives.
    2008 Aug 13 06:46 AM | Link | Reply