Sirius: Post-Merger Guidance

Despite finally getting some merger guidance for satellite radio, the stocks responded by giving up virtually all gains acquired late in the day Friday. Sirius (SIRI) and XM (XMSR) gave the first real glimpses of synergies in a press release issued Monday morning. The new guidance includes:

Expects 2009 Total Net Synergies of $400 Million

Expects 2009 Adjusted EBITDA of $300 Million

Expects Positive Free Cash Flow, before Satellite Capital Expenditures, for 2009

Sirius was clear that the synergies outlined assume that the proposed merger with XM passes regulatory muster. The DOJ approved the deal some time ago, and a Draft Order has been circulated by FCC Chairman Kevin Martin. While the new details did not get very specific, the company did offer a bit of added flavor:

– Total synergies, net of the costs to achieve such synergies, for the combined company are expected to be approximately $400 million in 2009;

– Adjusted EBITDA for the combined company is expected to be approximately $300 million in 2009. Adjusted EBITDA is net income/(loss) before interest and investment income, interest expense (net of amounts capitalized), depreciation expense, and non-cash stock compensation expense; and

– The combined company is expected to achieve positive free cash flow, before satellite capital expenditures, for the full year 2009.

“The upside potential from this merger is significant. In addition, the synergies, adjusted EBITDA and free cash flow are expected to continue to grow in subsequent years, and we look forward to providing more detail of this growth in coming months,” said Mel Karmazin, SIRIUS Chief Executive Officer and the previously announced CEO of the combined SIRIUS and XM.

While the new information is welcomed news, the pending merger is what people are really interested in. This new guidance should give analysts some new items to consider as they begin to draw up their models.

Disclosure: Long Sirius, Long XM

Comments

[cos10000:]

163888 do you really think that calling the office of an FCC Commissioner is really going to sway their decision, or have any impact on the speed (or lack thereof) of the decision process? Don't overestimate your sense of self-importance. Your phone call comes on the heels of boatloads of PAC money and special interest influence, all of which speak much louder than you do. Up against that monolith, your voice to them is but a forgettable wisp of pollen on the wind of a summer storm.

2008 Jul 02 11:28 PM

[cos10000:]

163888 the NAB is fighting satellite radio hard on the grounds of a three-letter word: PPM.

PPM stands for Portable People Meter. It's the new digital audience measurement system that is currently being rolled out in several major markets nationally this summer and fall. PPM is much more reliable than the decades-old paper-based diary system, which was actually antiquated and of questionable reliability and accuracy.

With PPM, a digital signal records exactly which station is being tuned in and for which periods of time. This removes the guesswork and unreliable memories of which station people think they were listening to and for how long.

When a listener is tuned to satellite radio, PPM records no Time Spent Listening to terrestrial radio. This means lower TSL, which translates to lower ratings and lower ad revenue for terrestrial radio stations.

Terrestrial radio will naturally fight any medium that poses a direct threat to the integrity of its bread-and-butter listenership: People in their automobiles. However, just because terrestrial radio deems it a threat doesn't mean that satellite radio will be profitable, or that their stocks will make investors fabulously wealthy.

2008 Jul 02 11:39 PM

[163888:]

shure46, First Bill O'reilly, only does that crap when people try to spin crap. I have seen him take the democrats side also a few times. The reason it is so few is they are not on the right side that often. As for Sean H. I have listened to him many times and if you notice he only does that when the person does not answer the question that was put to them. Then try to go to another subject all together. I will say it is amazing though how you bring up people on fox, most likely because all the others are far left. Let me ask you how long did it take to hear about Rev. Right? I knew back in March of 2007 from Sean H. I think it was amazing how this man was not reported on by any other news organizations way back then is it not. I am constantly amazed how a man that has been in a church for 20 years listening to a man like that, and also is friends with a terrorist (William A.), and says the things he and his wife have said. I am not just talking about on the campaign but in their books can come this close to being president. Here is something from obamas book; White mans greed is the reason for the black mans troubles. Obama should have never put his book on tape it sounds even worse coming out of his mouth. By the way that was one of many. Then I read people like you and I know our country is in trouble. When you start to think Obama is a better chioce then McCain. A man I am not totally for by the way. But I think any man that refuses to leave a POW camp where they are being tortured on a daily basis. Just because his father is an Admira, and tells his captors, I will wait till it is my turn. That kind of charecter I dont think I have, and I think very very very very very few have. That is a man that while I disagree with many of his positions, I can feel safe that he thinks what he is doing is the right thing for the country and not himself. So when you hear people say, being held as a POW does not make him qualified, I say that is ture, what does, is what he did when he was there.


VicDave, me alone, no. But there you go again skipping details that do not fit your arguement. So I reprinted them for you.


She then asked what state I lived in for her spread sheet to show who is for and against and what state they are from. Her # is for those that want or dont know it is [phone]


cos1000, There are plenty of other people from Tennessee that have made it known to her that they are for the merger from the Mayor of Nashville to the country music industry. I also think that Tate can see that the radio stations are as biased as possibly can by, unlike the mayor of Nashville. Plus I have no dought that the people (ones that have shares or are users of satellite radio) of Nashville are for it and have given her a call to say so like I did (even though I am not from Nashville). The problem the NAB has is unless people are directly involved such as subscribers or shareholders they are not going to take the time to call, they just dont care, and lets face it most of us are for it. The NAB just dont have that many employees, as SIRI/XMSR has subscribers and shareholders.


By the way VicDave that number I gave is all over the message boards. I dont have the self importance problem here, you do. You see because any normal person reading that the first time would have seen that I was saying call Tate. The spread sheet information and the fact that she ASKED me for, the state I was from, and weather I was for or against was her idea not mine. I first just called to vent.

Now as for the PPM it still makes no difference if the company is going out of business as soon as you seem to think they would. I see you once again skiped details, so I reposted it for you.

I bet VicDave has no answer to, If satellite radio is such a dead company with no future. Why is the NAB fighting so hard against it. I am talking about a reasonable answer, not one that says the NAB just likes to through millions upon millions of dollars down the drain needlessly. I also do not consider that the NAB wants to stop what they call a monopoly, because that has the same answer if they will go out of business soon anyway then why bother.

Finally, Excuse me but I find the NAB to be more intelligent then you. When I see them trying to concoct any and every possible thing to slow and stop satellite radio. That tells me, they consider satellite radio a hugh competetion.

2008 Jul 03 01:28 AM

[163888:]

P.S. because I can't stand having to repeat myself to people that cant admit they are wrong by tyring to move to another subject I once again will not respond. The only reason I even responded to your last post, is I in a sarcastic way asked you to prove otherwise. I did not think you would try a dumb post such as PPM because as I said it would still make no sense if satellite was going out of business. I though even you would have that much common sense. I was wrong.

2008 Jul 03 01:36 AM

[shure46:]

163888 , Bill O'Reilly and Shawn Hannity use the " Interupt and deflect " tactic , it is a debate tactic , "interupt your guest and make them constantly answer a question to distract their train of thought".......They do NOT promote a reasonable , civilized debate ........when someone is trying to make a dissident point with them they CONSTANTLY interupt and try to sidetrack .....AND BOTH those men seem to spin things too in my opinion ........and 163888 , there is no way in hell I am going to be convinced that trying to stifle dissent is a democrat "liberal" thing ......THAT attitude goes way back BEFORE a democrat ever existed !!!!!!!! ALL PEOPLE IN POWER do not like dissent and try many tactics to battle it ....that is a historical FACT , and that is the only point I wanted to make ....as far as politics now , they are all idiots to me ......how can this nation spend billions of dollars to go to Mars , while the economy is on the verge of collapse , and this country is being pounded by natural disasters !!!!!!! Yet we continue to blow money on such egotistical , useless endevors .....It would cost a trillion dollars to support 100 people for 2 years on Mars ......Not to mention there is NO OXYGEN ......Yet we are constantly fed this non-sense that one day we are going to live on Mars !!!!!! That is the BIGGEST load of crap ever ......before 100 people live on Mars , for one year , this planet (earth) will be destroyed .....I just want to see ANYONE in the government get our priorities straight , and cut out this BS spending on crap no one needs .....I will make a prediction - Before 100 people live on Mars for one year , every person on planet Earth will be dead ......and P.S. , I will make another prediction - No matter who takes office , we will NEVER leave Iraq ....just to let you know the Dem's don't BS me either .....OIL is a matter of national security , anyone that doesn't realize that is very very naive .....we are not about to just pack up and leave ....EVER

2008 Jul 03 10:07 AM

[shure46:]

I wish we had an "edit" button , so we could correct our typos here .....one seems to always slip through my posts !!!!!!! hahahahahha

2008 Jul 03 10:09 AM

[shure46:]

That was very poetic , BUT , I damn sure sent 'em an email , and I hope millions of others do too .....your post is correct in essence , I agree , but still , no one in office will ignore a barage of emails and phone calls ....and we the people need to let these guys know we are pissed ......the million dog march


On Jul 02 11:28 PM The Vicar of Value wrote:

> 163888 do you really think that calling the office of an FCC Commissioner
> is really going to sway their decision, or have any impact on the
> speed (or lack thereof) of the decision process? Don't overestimate
> your sense of self-importance. Your phone call comes on the heels
> of boatloads of PAC money and special interest influence, all of
> which speak much louder than you do. Up against that monolith, your
> voice to them is but a forgettable wisp of pollen on the wind of
> a summer storm.

2008 Jul 03 10:18 AM

[shure46:]

Washington pays attention to two things ....MONEY and NUMBERS , so while it is true the lobbyists have the greater influence , and Washington cares very little about our singular voices ......a few million voices begin to get their attention ......however it is very true that a few million DOLLARS , gets their attention even more ...but there is some influence in numbers .......especially if more of our representatives get involved ......but I would caution people to send respectful emails or phone calls to the FCC ( we can bash 'em here !!!!! hahah )......let's try to be civil , yet get our point across .......we are in favor of the merger ....NOW

2008 Jul 03 11:34 AM

[163888:]

shure46, If you have ever watch the shows Without your blinders on you will see they ask the guest a question. In O'Rielly's case it doesn't matter if you are a conservative or a liberal if you try to scoot your way around the question or spin that question he will not let you. As for Hannity yes if you do not answer the question then he says; answer the question, answer the question, that was not the question I asked, just anwer the original question. He will not let them go on until the original question is answered. Here is a perfect example; He asked alot of them would you be friends with a known unrepentant terrorist. They try not to answer because they know the answer is, no. Thats what he finally gets them to answer, then he lets them go on, but not until then. If you have ever been in a debate you answer the question or you lose points.

As for Mars every one of those missions are planned way in advance. To be honest I totally disagree about the Mars issue. Humans are natural explorers. Have you ever had kids. If so then you should already know this, from the time they can crawl, they start to explore every nuk and crany of the house, as soon as they can climb those stairs they do. they want to put everything in their mouths. Finally on this I will say, I am sure the Queen of Spain did not want to give Columbus 3 ships to go were no man had gone before but if she had not, America would not have been found. I know that you are going to say that we would have found it sooner or later. I however some how dought it if we would have had your kind of attidude towards exploring. I think we would not exist as a matter of fact. Did you know that at one time we were almost extinct we went from something like 20 million to just between 2,500 to 10,000 you know what saved us? Us being natural explorers we had spread out. Now as to will we ever live on Mars, I dont know. I do know it is in our nature to try.

By the way dont worry about typos or misspells. It is a blog, not that important. If anybody does correct you on a blog. Tell them, it is a blog you dip wad.

P.S. Call Tate that number is above. I was not kidding she told me they are running a spead sheet to find out who is for, and against, and what state they are from. I would hope they would include the E mails but you never know.

2008 Jul 03 12:33 PM

[shure46:]

163888 ---- One more thing........ About going to Mars ......The Columbus argument is rediculous .....Christopher Columbus discovered a lush continent with millions of trees and major resources ( not to mention water and oxygen !!! )......Mars is a frickin' desert millions of miles away , and there is NO OXYGEN .....I LOVE science , when we can afford it .....we cannot afford these space missions ( yes we need to continue with satellites , we need those ) , BUT we will NEVER EVER EVER live on Mars ........NEVER ............it would be 10,000 times easier to turn the Sahara Desert into the Garden of Eden , than it would be to supply 100 people for 2 years on Mars ........and this earth will be gone before we inhabit any other planet ....since you are a conservative , you should also be a Christian , and if you believe the Bible , then it plainly tells our future , and living on Mars ain't in there !!!!!!! Your analogies miss the point .....ya , your kid loves to explore , we ALL do .........but let's say you are broke , and your kid wants to explore somewhere that is going to cost you 10,000 bucks !!!!!!! What ya gonna do ????? Explore ?????? Or say , " Hey , we may have to wait on that one "

2008 Jul 04 11:31 AM

[shure46:]

Too much coffee this morning !!!!!! Have a good fourth

2008 Jul 04 11:55 AM

[163888:]

shure46, First I never said you were not intelligent. I said you had blinders on, those are two different things. Second as proof you say there is no right answer. While they may not want to give an answer it does not matter to O'Rilley or Sean they just want them to answer the question, wheather they answer is right or wrong should not make a difference. In the example, I gave there was a right answer. the right answer is: No, I would not be friends with a terrorist. The fact they do not want to answer is simple, is shows that Obama is wrong in their mind to be friends with a terrorist. Something the guest do want to be shown, that is the dishonesty that Sean is trying to show, There is nothing wrong with that, as a matter of fact that is what they call being a good journalist, something Tim R. did, and was praised for doing. Once again as I said you have blinders on because that have never said that wanting to pull out of Iraq is unpatriotic. What they call unpatriotic is the fact that they have maligned and denigrated our troops there are several examples of democrats doing this. This is another example of your blinders I will bet you 100,000 dollars to find me this:

.......ok check this out , you are patriotic and support your troops by sending them to die !!!!!! and if you want to bring them home so they can be with their families , you do not support the troops !!!!!!!! hahahahahhahaha THAT is the biggest BS load of crap I have ever heard , and THAT is the frickin' definition of SPIN ......

I can make the bet Because, I know for a fact they have never said it. So who is spinning here??? Now here are things that they have said: It is wrong for Senator Reid to have said the war is already lost. It is wrong for them, Senators Kerry, and Mc dermott, ect., to say that our troops are terrorist and cold blooded killers then when the troops were found innocent. Not one time did the senators say they were sorry. Even you will agree that is at the very least wrong right.


The fact is that when you try to compare conservative radio to the liberal print (New York Times, Washington Post, ect.,ect.) and tv/cable (ABC, CBS, NBC, CNBC, MSNBC, CNN, ect., ect.), shows the blinders you have on again because there is no comparison what so ever.

Next I would like to seal the boarders to but you would never see Rush, Sean or O'reilly ever considering what you are. The rest of what you have written is kind of a rant so I will not bother with it.

Now, onto your next comment about Mars. You say that is a ridiculous comparison, in this day and age where everyone knows the world is round that may seem ridiculous of a comparison. But you see, you once again show you have your blinders are on. this is what you said:

163888 ---- One more thing........ About going to Mars ......The Columbus argument is rediculous .....Christopher Columbus discovered a lush continent with millions of trees and major resources ( not to mention water and oxygen !!! )......Mars is a frickin' desert millions of miles away,

The reason I say you have blinders on is simple, back when Columbus set out on his adventure, The popular belief was that the world was flat that if you went to far, that you would sail off it. The trip was not to find a new contant it was to find an easyer way to the Indies (hence were the name indians comes from) by sailing around the world, something most thought impossible, because the world was flat, plus you cant drink salt water. Once again I have to keep reposting what I already said THOSE MISSIONS ARE PLANED MANY YEARS IN ADVANCE. By the way if you take the Bible literally then the earth is only 10,000 years old, and I suppose you believe that also. In closing you yourself show your blinders by admitting that you find satellites good. Well How do you think we got that far. Also as for kids wanting to explore, I can say I have no dought that there are many people that cannot afford college that does not mean they dont send them, and that is the biggest exploration of their lives. It is an investment in the future. Something you might see if you took those blinders off.

2008 Jul 06 12:24 PM

[shure46:]

163888 .....I do understand what you are saying ....but let's take the " are you willing to be friends with terrorists " ......do you not see the insulting nature of that question ???? and the blatant spin ???? and then they will accept no answer except a "yes" or a "no" , when the true answer is " Just because I am willing to have a dialogue with "terrorists" , does not mean we are going to be buddies .......FDR and Stalin had dialogue !!!!!!!! ...NOW , for the record ...truly when O'Reilly is simply calmly talking and making a few points , he does well in my opinion many times ....he does make good points of truth , and I listen to his monologues alot ....hannity ?? I can't stand .......but seriously , I do not like the bully pulpit when trying to reason together , and I just happen to be reading the biography of Benjamin Franklin , and I tell you , he was a well respected debater , that NEVER demeaned , insulted , or bullied , anyone , but debated in a very resonable way , and he was one of the greatest statesmen this country has EVER seen ....they don't make politicians like that anymore ......or talk show hosts !!!!! .....anyway , I would gladly make Bill O'Reilly " immigration czar " !!!!!! hahahaha .....however , I think I could do a better job .....but he would do

2008 Jul 07 04:04 PM

[shure46:]

163888 ....by the way , in 1776 , by English definition , the American revolutionaries were , "terrorists" .........don't let this blatant terrorist label fool you ....it is a fact of history that any nation will label it's enemies as evil any way they can ....they do it , and we do it ....its called " propoganda " ....just remember that Iraqis have moms and dads and brothers and sisters too .......they get pissed when mom gets her head blown off , just like we do ....its just constant tit for tat ....war is a nasty business that escalates until the blood runs so deep , people finally come to their senses .....that's why nations need to think long and hard before starting a war .......and forgive my going on tangents , I know this is a financial blog ......right now finances are not even worth talking about !!!! hahahahah maybe this week things will pick up ....hope so

2008 Jul 07 04:20 PM

[163888:]

shure46, First of all I am talking about William Aires a domestic terrorist that would be in jail right now if the government did not mess up the case. William A. has admited to blowing up the Pentigon, a military base and the New York Police H.Q building. He has said as recently as 2001 that I did not do enough and wish that he would have done more. Are you really that uninformed. Obama has said that they have a friendly relationship (he was on the same board, their kids play with each other, Obama has eaten at his house they live close to each other). There is only one correct answer about, would you be friends with a terrorist?; it is NO, NO, NO, NO, and HELL NO. As for me it would be, the only way I would even be closer then 1,000 feet is to knock his a$$ out. Now on to your off shoot of this. First of all you can not possible be trying to compare the relationship that FDR had with Stalin, lets not for get they were allies fighting a much bigger problem Germany. That is all besides the point considering that is not the question that was ask about. But to be honest The answer is still we do not talk to terrorist. It has always been the U.S. policy, and by the way, one that Obama has had to say on several times that he would never do ether (remember the Carter trip to see and talk with Hamas).

Now on to the last comment. Just because a country labels another a terrorist does not make it so. When you deliberately go after civilians that is terrorism. I think even you would agree that if the PLO, or Hamas went after the military only, instead of the direct targeting of the civilian population then they would have gotten much further. I personally can not believe they get the support they already do get from the libs over here, one of which is Obama by the way. As for the Iraqies they have also come to realize, who it is that has been blowing the heads off of their family members (the terrorist I explaned to you just before). But you see because you have blinders on you stay on CNN, ect.,ect., for the most part and never here of how much that has improved in Iraq. You should have realized though that the coverage of Iraq has been nonexistant though, the reason is clear, things are going very well and that is not the agenda the liberal media wants out, that is unless you watch FOX or listen to Rush L. or Hannity on the radio. By the way have you even heard about the 600 **TONs**, thats right not pounds, but **TONs** of Urainum rich Yellow Cake transported from Iraq to Canada (I have no idea why Canada bought it, but I feel alot safer that it is in their hands then Saddams, dont you). I ask you what the hell was Saddam going to do with that. I dought you heard much about that watching CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNBC, ect., ect., or for that matter the 500 artillary shells that were tipped with chemical warheads, that were found a few years back. I remember that debate also that Hannity had when the guest said; well the chemicals in those warheads were old and had denergrated, Hannity said then I guess you would not mind them being stored in your back yard. He got the guest to say no that still does not mean they are not dangerous, which was the point Hannity was getting at.

I will tell you shure46 you are at a big disadvantage debating me on this. You ask why, well not because I am more intelligent then you. While I do think I have more common sense then many. It is because your arguements come from the liberal side of things and that puts you at a big disadvandage. The reason is simple very very few to none of their ideologies are logical. Good luck with trying to come to grips with that. You may think you are reasonable, I say you are far from it if you can be fooled into voting for a person like Obama over McCain. But you keep your eyes closed and keep watching the liberal media that has been in the tank for Obama and see what you get. If you still believe the press is not liberal then why did you not here about Rev. Right until it was to late while I heard about him way back in march of 2007, thats right not 2008 but 2007. You know full well if the press would have been on this like Hannity was in 2007 Obama would not have been even the democrats choice. You should ask yourself why they did not cover it.

2008 Jul 08 05:36 AM

[shure46:]

Yes 163888 , I am totally ignorant of the William Aires case ....seriously ....ok , so you are telling me that a man "blew up the pentagon" , "blew up a military base" , and "blew up the New York Police H.Q. building" ....and he is not in jail ??????? Honestly , I try to keep up with the news , but for sure something will escape my knowledge .....I obviously cannot know everything ........I do however find that an incredible statement ......I have a very hard time thinking someone is going to go scott free on a technicality for bombing the pentagon .......or " Blowing it up " as you called it .......but truly , I know nothing of this , and apparently you do , so I am not trying to argue here on this particular story ....as far as "would you be friends with a terrorist" ??? Let's just say your brother murdered someone and went to jail ( hypothetical , no insult intended ) .....would you be friends with a murderer ????? There is plenty of spin , in the no spin zone ....it's everywhere

2008 Jul 10 11:33 AM

[163888:]

Well, that just confirms you must almost never watch FOX because it was brought up almost every other day before. Also yes it is true He was the head of a domistic terrorist group, and had a big part in the setting and blowing up of bombs in the three places I told you about. Second it is also true he was not convicted of it, because the government had an typo with the warrent to wire tap. The fact is he has bosted about it, as recently as 2001, and said what I told you he said before. Now as to if I had a brother who killed people for no reason then to make a point. I would have NO problem what so ever with disowning he a$$. I would have no problem turning him in ether. Thats the difference between democrats and republicans, republicans think people should take responsibility for what they do. Democrats think it is everybody elses fault, eccept the person that did the killing.

P.S. Where you also totally ignorant of the 500 chemically tip artillery shells and the 600 tons of Yellow Cake found in Iraq.

Like I said, when you try to argue with me on these things you are totally over matched. Being on the liberal side, means you close your eyes, and ears to things you dont want to see or hear. Here is a perfect example You think Fox is totally conservative. Well being a conservative myself I can tell you they are not. Is it not funny that Clinton said that Fox was the most fair and balanced of all the media. The reason is while all the other media was in the tank for Obama, Fox was not.

2008 Jul 11 05:45 PM

[shure46:]

Ok , if we are going to throw out the "you are ignorant" line , I bet you bought all that BS about Sadaam having WMD's , and that he was an imminent threat to the USA ....From the moment George Bush took the podium and started the rhetoric , I knew exactly what was coming ....The Bush administration was going after Iraq , and they were going to start exaggerating the threat ...which is EXACTLY what they did ......WAR is damn serious , and you don't go bombing people , and then say "oops we goofed our information" like they ordered the wrong champagne for a wedding reception ....They wanted war , and they cherry picked the info , and they disregarded any info that did not fit their plans .........Here is the guaranteed truth , if Iraq didn't have oil , we would not give a crap about Iraq ( we certainly would not be waging this expensive war ).....and I understand that , oil is a matter of world security , and I understand completely our need to protect that oil ...but the bottom line is that Saddaam wouldn't play ball with us , so we kicked his ass off the playground ......You think we are spending billions of dollars , and countless lives , to bring women the right to vote and listen to Britney Spears !!!!!!! We are there to establish a presence in the middle east to protect that oil ........and I will prove it .........NO MATTER who becomes our next president , we will NEVER leave Iraq ( and the dems are full of crap to say we are leaving ) .....I am not nearly as ignorant as you think , and I will debate you any time you like on anything .....I also believe people should take responsibility for things they do , and that includes businesses that get "bailed out" ..........and Iraq was very much militarily weakened by the sanctions over the years ( as evidenced by the USA domination and victory )....the problem was we wanted to get that oil pumping , and we did not want Saddaam to profit from it , because he was anti-USA ....we want to establish a "friendly" Iraqi regime ( ie puppet ).......world politics is a dirty business , and I understand the need to protect the oil .......so let's just stop the BS and lies , and go secure the oil fields and screw Bahgdad ......The ONLY thing I have against the Bush administration is the BS and lies ....He has been lying for years now , and I think the people of this country deserve the damn truth once in a while .....I am sick of propaganda , BS , lies , and spin ......and having an economy based on counterfeiting money , and spending ....That's why the republicans don't tax as much , they just print more !!!!!! and to be honest , I do not see a huge disparity in taxation or spending between the parties .....both "tax and spend" quite eagerly .....they just tax and spend differently ........as for what news I watch , I do not have satellite TV , so I rarely see any of the fox cnn or any of them .....but I am 50 years old , and I know BS and propaganda when I see it

2008 Jul 13 12:21 PM

[163888:]

Ok this is the last time I will respond because you are just not getting it, this proves what I said about how you dont see or listen to what you dont want to. Like I said what do you call the 500 shells of chemically tip artillary rounds, What do you call 600 tons of yellow cake. Those are WMDs or the materials to make a WMD. You do know what they use yellow cake for right. WHEN I SAID IT THE FIRST TIME, DID THAT JUST BLOW BY YOU ARE WHAT. Second, if what you say about Saddam hating us and us just wanting the oil (dont get me wrong oil is part of the reason we are in there) was true then why are we not in Iran or Venezuela. Those countries fit the bill you just discribed. Why did we get involved in Basnia, I know why, do you. I can tell you it was not to save people. Do you know why the former USSR went into Afganistan, I know why, do you. I was a S-2 (intelligence analyst) in the Marine Corp, I know exactly why this country and others gets involved in things like this. So while you may think we get into things that dont involve us, they do, you just may not know why. Finally you think you can try and debate me but you will lose everytime. another reason you just said that you think people should take responsibility for what they do yet you just tried to justify what a terrorist did by using the brother killed somebody example. That is not an example you use if you really believe people should take responsibility for what they do. You made a simple mistake, I am not some of your dumb democrat buddies, that forget things said, I dont fall for the double talk. I use it back on you for example, when I told you before about: if you recall you admited that you thought satellites were a good thing, yet you totally forget how those came to be. Remember Kennidy and his, "we will go to the Moon" speach. On that note, I will leave you to think about this loss you have just had trying to debate me. Just add it to the list, if you dont think you lost the others just scroll up.

2008 Jul 13 05:08 PM

[shure46:]

There was NO yellow cake ...it was BS intelligence that Bush cherry picked , and ignored the intelligence telling him the story was bogus .....you being an intelligence officer in the marines only means you were indoctrinated by the military , and it is going to be your way of reasoning .....yes I know what is going on in the world , there is a power struggle for world domination ( I happen to know who will win )........there is no sense in us going back and forth like this , especially since you insist on insulting me .....as for the space program , it is going to mars and the moon that is a waste of money ......I did not say scrap satellites ...I know we benefit from satellites ......that is necessary ....going to Mars is not , and I guarantee you we would have the exact satellites we have now whether or not we went to the moon , or mars ....Sputnik got that ball rolling ( and hey , going to the moon was great , but this crap is getting expensive , and I will kiss your ass if any human lives on mars for 5 years )......and the only debate I lose with you is only because you think you win every debate .....just 'cause you think it , don't make it so ......take another shot at me if you like , you can have the last word , and no biggy to me if our views differ ....everyone's earlier life and experiences form their future beliefs , and opinions vary ....once again the yellow cake was BS , and as for the missiles ??? maybe ...I am sure we sold 'em to him .......and i know there is plenty of covert crap that goes on in world politics ....anyway , Iran is next , I give it 5 years ....especially if we ever get Iraq under control and free up some military resources ....and it ain't for democracy ...it is for resources and stability in the region ..ie , a steady , stable , supply of oil ......the world is getting thirsty .....take care , and best 'o luck with your investments

2008 Jul 14 01:36 AM