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In my last post I made clear that due to increased demand and a lack of excess capacity, I expect oil prices (and commodity prices in general) to stay high. That being said, I think there’s a strong chance that we could see a pullback in the short term. Such an easing will not come from political rhetoric. Instead, prices will ameliorate when the symbiotic relationship between supply and demand turns favorable. Such a trend is beginning to take place.

Politicians are touting numerous so-called “solutions” to help ease the pain. Mr. McCain, for example, wishes to suspend the tax on petrol and open up the artice wildlife refuge for drilling. These ideas may seem appealing, at least on an artificial level, but after delving into these “solutions” it’s clear that, if implemented, there will be little to no positive short-run effect on energy prices. The development of deep-sea drilling rigs, after all, takes nearly 10 years before oil can be extracted. And placating the burden of high petrol via a tax reduction is counter-productive -- a lower price will just lead to increased consumption. These are not “solutions;” the free-market mechanism of demand destruction is.

$138 oil and $4.00 petrol is clearly starting to temper demand, just as economics textbooks say it should. On a side note, it’s interesting to point out that $4.00 per gallon is relatively inexpensive in the world economy. Nonetheless, Liz Ann Sonders, Chief Investment Strategist at Charles Schwab & Co, highlights that the world expenditure on oil (as a percentage of GDP) is at an all-time high (see chart). Small wonder that last month’s decline in miles driven is the largest on record.

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Fortunately, demand is now falling in developed economies and slowing in emerging-markets. China’s growth, for example, is slowing considerably, acting as a headwind, thereby helping reduce demand.

Another favorable trend is the relinquishment of gas subsidies. Although gas is heavily subsidized in many countries, we’re starting to see reductions in some countries and eliminations in others. To date, Indonesia, Taiwan, Malaysia, Sri Lanka, and Bangladesh have either raised prices or pledged they will. And in a surprise announcement last week, China said that it would raise fuel prices by as much as 18%. This is comforting news, as China has long been reluctant to surrender fuel subsidies.

Even speculators are now betting on a fall in gasoline prices (see chart).

If this reduction in demand continues (and is supported by a stronger dollar), a 20 point move to the downside over the next six months is quite possible. Time will tell. As always, I put my money where my mouth is -- I'm short at $138.

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    I bought DUG @ $31.4 on Tues. Feeling pretty good right now. USO has also broke the up trend line. Uncharted territory now.
    2008 Jul 17 07:45 AM | Link | Reply
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    I'm long DUG as well, oil to $100 and gold to $750 by year end, and we will turn back up later.
    2008 Jul 17 07:51 AM | Link | Reply
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    I agree, with one exception. It may take years to develop other sources, but that is not a reason to ignore them. It's time congress showed us that it is there to serve us by releasing land for drilling
    2008 Jul 17 08:00 AM | Link | Reply
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    Dave,

    you are cultivating the myth that offshore drilling takes 10 years to produce and you make that the only argumnent for your headline. Do you really think that PBR is booking all the deep sea rigs they can get their hands on if the first drop of oil to produce is 10 years away if it takes a couple of $ 100,000,000 to drill a dry or wet hole?

    Here comes Dave and claims it is not worth it because it does not do any good. How credible is that?





    2008 Jul 17 08:10 AM | Link | Reply
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    Any drop in oil prices sparks more demand.Demand is still high as well.Your short and dont think we need more drilling.Lol.
    2008 Jul 17 08:31 AM | Link | Reply
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    If your looking for 'Short Term' solutions, then yes the quickest way to curb oil prices is to curb demand. Unfortunately it is 'Short Term' thinking that got us here in the first place. If you want to talk about supply and demand, you must realize that the demand for oil will continue to increase, and without new regions to tap then the future supply will decrease.
    If we want oil to truly drop then not only must we conserve, but we must also discover and develop new supply. That means Offshore drilling, and opening Anwar. The Future's market in oil would drop substantially knowing that oil supplies once off limits could now be tapped, even though they would not be available for up to ten years.
    2008 Jul 17 08:42 AM | Link | Reply
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    It is people like you that make me a TON of money. You are so far off base it is laughable. 10 years? Did you pull that out of your #%&&??
    Oh and by the way, US demand has to be cut by 25% PERMANENTLY.
    That means 25% percent of THIS country will have to STAY OFF the highway FOR EVER.. You just dont get it, your too young. Grow up, and get real.
    2008 Jul 17 08:47 AM | Link | Reply
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    This is a very short sighted article. In the short term the US may curb its demand a little bit. However, it still looks like the US will rack up approximately a $500 billion trade deficit this year due to oil importation alone. From an economic sense this is several times the stimulus package in reverse. The US economy cannot afford to have this much money flow out of it year after year. T. Boone Pickens has even predicted a trade deficit of $700 billion due to oil alone this year. Sure the price to consumers is important. However, we a a consumer society. We will continue to consume. We need to move to alternative forms of energy such as solar, wind, and nuclear. This will not happen overnight. In the short term we need to produce as much oil as we can. This will keep the price from rising higher, which is one good thing. It will more importantly keep the US from essentially selling its assets to get more oil to use up. The US economy will keep floundering with a huge negative trade surplus every year. It has a negative growth effect on our economy. No wonder China, India, Brazil, Russia, etc. are all outstripping the US in economic growth. This should be the top priority for the next presidential administration (along with terrorism). We won't have to worry about enjoying our pristine beaches in the future, if we no longer own them. Also the technology has improved dramatically since the time of the offshore drilling ban. The oil spills would now be very minimal, especially along the west and east coasts, where there is a much lower hurricane incidence than in the Gulf of Mexico. Yet curiously we all seem to think its okay to drill in the Gulf.

    From a supply and demand perspective, there are long term fundamentals for oil use that cannot be ignored. Apparently the US uses about 26 barrels of oil per person. Other developed countries such as Western Europe, Japan, Australia, etc. use 13-15 barrels of oil per person per year. China and India use less than 2 barrels of oil per person. That figure is rising all the time. Even slight increases in the figures for China and India mean huge changes in oil demand worldwide because of their relatively huge populations. It is inevitable that the oil demand by China and India will increase in the years to come. The US will be put in a more and more negative economic picture by this if the US does not change the fundamentals of this situation. The US needs to speed the adoption of alternative energies. However, it also needs to produce much more oil so that its economy doesn't suffer dramatically. Recent news that Budweiser was just sold to InBev (a foreign company) should drive home the point that we are essentially selling our country by running these continued deficits. We need to act to change this now. It clearly cannot wait. A large part of this is oil. This part seems likely to get much worse. Further it will have a large effect on our standard of living, if we do not act. Offshore drilling seems a small price to pay. I don't believe there are the huge environmental issues that some are saying. I do believe the american oil companies have to be stimulated to drill and produce this oil. As pointed out by many, they have large US leases already that they have not drilled on. They seem content to let the supply problems drive the prices up, so they can make a bigger profit on their current production. They don't have to drill for more oil. The government needs to implement a strategy, not to impose windfall taxes, but to encourage oil exploration and production by US companies (the fact that they be US companies is important for US economic health not just for the cost of oil). There is clearly not a good enough policy in this respect. Some people have suggested a use it or lose it policy on US oil leases. There may be some merit in this suggestion. There is also probably merit to the idea of giving bigger tax breaks to US companies that are able to substantially increase their oil production. There has to be an incentive for the oil companies. Penalizing them for making money will not make them want to produce more, it will in fact likely have the opposite effect. There need to be tax incentive to produce more. Or there need to be penalties for not using enough of a percentage of profits for exploring for and producing more oil.
    2008 Jul 17 09:20 AM | Link | Reply
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    Here we go again. Another puppy who got the diluted sanitized politicaly correct history book. Anybody can have a blog, ummm go figure. The american people when backed into a corner have always done some amazining things, You know there are many different quick energy solutions, You all might want to get used to nuculear energy, and T. Boone Pickens is spending money on ads for wind energy. If you dig a little deeper you will find a patent owned by an oil company. I had the the rights to use it in the late 70's . It is a process that runs ethynol thru a catylitc converter and cracks the molecules from ethynol into Hi Octane gasoline, ya thats right GAS from veggies, beets have more suger then corn, however corn mash dried is DDG. Distillers dried grain, thats hi grade cattle feed as a by product. We estimated a cost at the pump of 1.00 might get to 2.00 today. Still cheap and renewable. You beef price gets cheap as well. You see if your just trying to whip a frenzy of fear, and try to drive prices back up. It might work for a little while. If make Americans mad and Fed up. Watch out. Oh by the way oil is just the currant rodeo roundup. Gold next? Silver. It's just about puppies making money. Oh by the way the roads on the last 2 holidays were pretty empty. Smelled a bunch of good cooking on the wind. Guess that is why stockpile are up and the analysts were so very wrong,
    2008 Jul 17 09:23 AM | Link | Reply
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    Just because opening up the possibility to drill here doesn't solve the problem tomorrow doesn't mean we shouldn't do it. That's the most ridiculous argument I've ever heard. In that case why do anything? Why enroll in college? You don't graduate immediately. Simply having new oil in the pipeline will curb some speculation. At the same time we should be putting all of our intellect toward clean, efficient energy as well. We can do both at the same time, they aren't mutually exclusive.
    2008 Jul 17 09:31 AM | Link | Reply
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    Actually, short term demand for oil has been proven to be IN-elastic. IF gas prices go to $5 or $6, I'll still have to drive to work in my gas guzzling truck. However, in the long run, people will end up car pooling, driving less, buying fuel efficient vehicles which would then help curb demand -- if not just curb the growth of the demand. Besdies, America's Oil consumption is about the same as it was in 2004. Also, even if supply will increase at a later date, it can have dramatic effects on prices today.

    However, a more importnant point many people refuse to acknowledge is what a Oil is used for. Most of a barrel of oil is used to produce diesl fuel for things like trucks, ships, trains as well as various oil fuels for industrials, jet fuel, asphalt, tar, home heating oil, propane, wax, and other petro chemicals like beauty products, plastics, synthetic fabrics, and pharmaceutical drugs. Thus, less than 45% of a barrel of oil is actually converted into Gasoline.

    Since most of the consumption of oil is Not as a result of driving cars, an economic down turn results in industrials to produce less products, thus curbing their use/demand of oil. This is also why price of Oil has been cyclical - rising during good times, and falling during recessions.

    Here's an interesting fact to consider: 9 of 10 previous postwar recessions began shortly after a big spike in the price of oil. Yet, those recessions always slashed oil prices dramatically. People who have been predicting both a nasty US recession and $250 oil prices are contradicting themselves.

    (To give credit where credit is due, the information I cite is from an article written by Alan Reynolds of the CATO institute. )
    2008 Jul 17 09:33 AM | Link | Reply
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    If the seismic analysis says it there and the resources to pull it out are avaiable, production can begin within 2 years...start to finish, depending on the depth of the well.

    The long lead times, quoted by the Tree Huggers and echoed by clean energy advocates, are due to all the Environment Regulations and Lawsuits filed by the aforementioned which sometimes halt drilling altogether.

    Anyone remember the Snail Darter which slam dunked a TVA project because the Tree Huggers claimed the area was their last refuge. No one looked for them before, but after, they were found to exist all over the place.

    This type of idiocy is what brought us here in the first place. Yet we continue to allow it to continue.
    2008 Jul 17 09:41 AM | Link | Reply
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    what Post War recession are we currently in?
    2008 Jul 17 09:43 AM | Link | Reply
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    Not to quibble with you too much, but wouldn't expanded drilling be a part of the "supply and demand" equation? And, as others have already pointed out, where in the world did you come up with the 10-year figure? There are several offshore geographies that could be online within 18 months. In addition, it wouldn't even take 10 years to bring ANWR online.

    It truly gets frustrating to even attempt to debate people on this issue when there is much bogus info accepted as gospel.
    2008 Jul 17 09:56 AM | Link | Reply
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    I'm short too but I'm disappointed that so many others are as well.

    There is some sense in the article but drilling or even planning drilling would place huge downward pressure on expectations. It's simply the eco-extreme culture that doesn't care about market forces at the root that are the problem. Bush was 100% right on this point early on in the admin, it doesn't have to make him popular but he was correct.
    2008 Jul 17 10:33 AM | Link | Reply
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    You are all rookies. You guys actually think this has anything to do with supply and demand then you don't how the crooks work. They sell the stories to retail baggies like they never could before as it's the new trend to play in the once scary commodity complex. When markets jump up and down 5% regularly in a day for a commodity that supposedly is based on supply and demand you have problems. It's nothing more then a casino with a bunch of people trying to post information to support their positions. Take all the crooks out and you got oil at about $60. Demand was going higher last year at this time and where was oil trading then. Nothing goes up 50% in a year. There are no lines and half the time they have no buyers for what's out there. Look at the obvious. You have the crooks GS, Lehman and others padding balance sheets that were hammered with the last bubble they created. All the same things are said in every bubble regardless of what it is. 50% in a year is a bubble nothing more that will pop, and it will not take a year; this thing will crash and wreck many a retail baggie. Just look at the news cycle now you don't think they are going to drive this thing the other way as fast as it went up LOL? Read the headlines and know when it's time to get out.
    2008 Jul 17 10:53 AM | Link | Reply
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    How about a longer term energy policy than the next two weeks? Oil is no longer under our control, either price or quantity. Some speculation exists, of course. Do what we can to temper this, but let's start rethinking our energy consumption. Drill, sure, for the short term, but why not rebuild our railroads for transport and freight, as well as our river systems. We may not like this reality, but the oil bonanza we've enjoyed for 100 years is coming to an end. Let's prepare for that end.
    2008 Jul 17 11:50 AM | Link | Reply
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    >>>And, as others have already pointed out, where
    >>>in the world did you come up with the 10-year figure?


    The 10y figure comes from the government.
    www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/a...


    >>>There is some sense in the article but drilling or even
    >>>planning drilling would place huge downward pressure
    >>>on expectations.

    There's about 18bn bbls of potential oil reserves in the U.S. offshore shelf. The world consumes somewhere north of 85bn bbls PER DAY, with the U.S. accounting for about 25%, or roughly 20bn bbls per day. What we have is a literal drop in the bucket. It's hard to see how producing it would have any impact on prices.

    2008 Jul 17 11:52 AM | Link | Reply
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    for god's sake and mine lets drill - off shore , alaska or any where we can - i liked the comment about the snail and the tva - right on-
    2008 Jul 17 12:03 PM | Link | Reply
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    18 billion barrels is close to 3 years worth of oil consumption by the US at 20 million barrels a day. I am not sure why that is not enough to go after and drill for.
    2008 Jul 17 12:26 PM | Link | Reply
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    LOL @ the title. Offshore drilling = supply.

    oilismastery.blogspot..../
    2008 Jul 17 12:42 PM | Link | Reply
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    yes let's rebuild our railroads. d.d.eisenhower gave a gift to the trucking industry.
    > jack
    2008 Jul 17 12:44 PM | Link | Reply
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    Kill the environment and the animals. No more oil spills like last month off the shores of South America. Feed the insatiable demand for oil no matter what it takes.
    Pollute the skies. Blame Bush.
    2008 Jul 17 12:45 PM | Link | Reply
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    Apparantly any uninformed idiot can write a column on SA. "Dave" writes:

    " Mr. McCain, for example, wishes to suspend the tax on petrol and open up the artice wildlife refuge for drilling."

    Earth to "Dave": John McCain (wrongly IMO) has opposed drilling in ANWR and continues to oppose drilling in ANWR.

    Next time take the time to learn the facts before inserting your size 10 shoe in your mouth.

    Wonder if "Dave" will have the scruples to publish a correction?



    2008 Jul 17 01:07 PM | Link | Reply
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    Mathman - you're wrong about the use of oil: 70% of burned crude turns into waste heat and 70% of all crude is used in TRANSPORTATION, be it diesel or gasoline. Only 30% of crude goes into feedstocks for plastics, etc.

    The way to immediately lower crude consumption is to address TRANPORTATION.

    Simply: 4 folks in a car instead of 1 is a 75% reduction; 20 folks instead of 10 in existing buses or transit systems is a 50++% reduction; rail transport of goods intead of rubber-tired interstate trucking is a 50% reduction; driving 55 mph instead of 65 is a 10% reduction.

    Study this chart and get smarter, everyone of you:

    static.seekingalpha.co...


    2008 Jul 17 01:33 PM | Link | Reply
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    jaybird,

    Read my post again. Diesel and jet fuel were seperated from gasoline, and paired up with petro-chemicals. Gasoline, therefore, accounts for ~45% of a barrel of oil, and everything else accounts for 55%. I am correct, you're just not reading what I wrote.
    2008 Jul 17 01:48 PM | Link | Reply
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    Or, raise the price to $10 gal., or more.

    MAYBE that will finally force us (the US) to do what has happened in Switzerland (100 electrified trains); Germany (40% solar); France (83% nuclear); Brazil (50% biofuel in vehicles); Europe in general (smaller vehicles, electric cars and delivery vans, rails and electrified rails); Holland (tidal and wind power); Spain and China (going solar); and good ole Boone Pickens (going wind; now if we could just get him to go extra wind and also solar and not use that natural gas in cars, but electrify them!).

    You see, until the people get upset enough and then prove that the Government is to be by the people and for the people, we will continue to have lousy LEADERSHIP; the people must lead first, it appears! (proof is how minority voice and sometimes wrong-thinking has out-shouted and out-manuvered wisdom, be it saving owls or whales or salmon; the unborn; traditional marriage; SUV's; Houston to Detroit energy policy; drill, drill, drill Kudlow et.al. types; tear out the dams advocates; and so on).
    2008 Jul 17 02:08 PM | Link | Reply
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    Madman - I did read your post. Maybe $10 gasoline will finally push you to stop commuting with your gas guzzling truck.

    If you study the chart I suggested above, you will note that 64% of all hydrocarbons (25.7 of 39.8 Quads) goes to TRANSPORTATION, whether gas or diesel doesn't matter. Only 14% goes into non-fuel uses.

    AND, actually 80% of all that energy is wasted; only 5.3 of 25.7 Quads becomes useful work.

    Study the chart. It may give a mathman plenty of new ideas.
    2008 Jul 17 02:28 PM | Link | Reply
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    Lets not blame Dave's ignorance on his age. There are plenty of bright young Americans that know how completely off base this liberal argument is. They somehow won this short term debate when Bill Clinton vetoed the right to lift Bans during his administration. How long ago was that...hmmm... 10 years ago. It seems if there would have been a little forward thinking back then, we would not be in this current mess. Quit punting the political football and bring the drilling issue to a vote. Americans are sick of the prices. Whether it drops gas now or in 5 years. As long as we know it will not go higher, Americans will start spending and the economy will turn around. Wait... If the economy turns the Dem leaders will have nothing left to run on. Democracy is great, but not when you stop listening to the people simply because of the fear of LOOKING BAD and or being a flip-flopper. Get off the Washington high horses and do your job, or you might just have to find a real job come next election.
    2008 Jul 17 02:42 PM | Link | Reply
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    And, if only 20% (5.3 Quads of 40 Quads) of oil/gas becomes useful TRANSPORTATION work why not electrify it and use ZERO crude. Now that's putting a dent in it!

    We already produce and handle over 12 Quads of electricity with our existing grid - so lets increase it to 18 Quads (which we know how to do). That would require 5 Quads (per year) of new electric generation by wind and solar and tidal and geothermal and new nuclear; all of which is less than we now produce with our current 100 nuclear plants in the US.

    RESULT: Crude consuption in TRANSPORTATION goes to ZERO.

    Now, that's a target; it should become a policy.

    Go Boone. Get that wind going. Stop burning the natural gas.

    And when we've done that, make more solar and wind electricity and stop burning coal to make 50% of our electricity, of which 60% is waste heat (not electrical transmission and distribution losses, which are minimal). NOW WE ARE REALLY MAKING PROGRESS.

    GET IT???
    2008 Jul 17 02:52 PM | Link | Reply
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    I never saw more evidence of a person who would rather profit from a national problem than really get the facts that will lead to an energy policy that ensures the well being of this country for both the short term and long term. Dave's article talks about demand destruction as the best way to bring oil prices down and because he sees evidence of that he is selling short on oil. Given what happened over the last three days he has made a killing, especially if he only had to put up 5cents on the dollar in order to sell at the lower price. Let's get to actual facts rather than his rationale. First about a little less than half of the oil we import is from a monopoly,OPEC, which will reduce supply if demand goes down. Unless demand goes down by app. 5m barrels/day we will not fix the problem. Second, the 10 year myth is a political number not an actual figure. The oil drillers estimate that the timeline is one to six years. A case in point is the off-shore fields near Florida. The Chinese and the Russians must be stupid to come all that distance to drill in an oil field that we are rejoined from doing by Congress. Third ,no one who is a proponent of alternative energy will commit to an quantitative reduction in our oil usage, Like 3m barrels of oil/ day in x years. Politically I could say that US DEMAND DESTRUCTON through Conservation and alternate energy supply OF 5 MILLION BARREL/DAY WILL TAKE TEN YEARS. Who has the data that will refute this? In reality the threat to the USA is an economic one where we cannot afford to have a negative current account that is approaching one trillion dollars/yr and maintain any thing close to our standard of living for the vast majority of our citizens. Therefore, we must drill for oil in known domestic oil reserves as quickly as possible, Establish concrete goals for alternate energy conversion including energy transport mechanisms on a short time line like four years, Shorten the timeline for new nuclear plants to 6 yrs or less, and make sure that the large hedge funds don't manipulate the oil and gas commodity markets to make large profits like Dave is doing and like Calpers has doone in the last year.
    2008 Jul 17 04:13 PM | Link | Reply
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    One thing that can't be ignored about oil is that although you can quibble about the exact price where US consumers start to change their behaviors, it's undeniable at at some point between 3.85 and 4 dollars a gallon for unleaded regular people start looking for ways to reduce their energy consumption. OPEC's report on Wednesday cited a variety of factors that are expected to reduce demand for oil in 2009, most notably that projected demand growth is less than projected supply growth.

    As of 3 pm today oil temporarily dipped below $130/barrel, and it's likely that by the end of July US consumers will see unleaded regular pump prices below 4 dollars a gallon. What remains to be seen is if US consumption spikes once a public that's been price conditioned to accept 4 dollar a gallon gas sees a relatively significant dip in unit cost.
    2008 Jul 17 04:42 PM | Link | Reply
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    Amen, old wizzard (except for the drill, drill, drill stuff).

    Build, buid, build alternatives and convert, convert, convert to electric as if time-was-of-the-essenc... a Manhattan Project or Moon Program emphasis for stopping the burning of crude in TRANSPORTAION and coal and natural gas in GENERATION.

    Result 1: Emergency situation solved within 5 years;

    Result 2: Future secured in 10 years.

    In the meantime import, import, import; and if that fails, we automatically conserve, conserve, conserve, just like we did in the 70's: we know how to do that; and it hurts - but apparently not enough to stop using it. DUH!

    The differnce this "meantime" is we wean ourselves off the CONSUMPTION of oil, gas, and coal with methods that provide use of free and readily available energy, forever, at whatever conversion efficiency which is pure gain, and leave the hydrocarbons in the ground - even better than digging the gold or oil to again just store it in the ground - and that not only secures our future, but makes us basically energy independent FOREVER - NOW THAT'S A GOAL. MAKE IT A POLICY. AND, OF COURSE, THEN DO IT!
    2008 Jul 17 04:43 PM | Link | Reply
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    Oh yes, and in the above process we may also SECURE OUR ECONOMIC AND FINANCIAL FUTURE - UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES!!!
    2008 Jul 17 04:46 PM | Link | Reply
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    And possibly SECURE OUR NATION'S FUTURE - now that would really be an unintended consequence.
    2008 Jul 17 04:50 PM | Link | Reply
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    Solar, wind, nuclear, tidal, geothermal, bio and go totally electric without burning natural hydrocarbons of any sort would be a better use of all our resources than all the manhours and dollars consumed in the complex industry cobwebs of coal, oil, and gas including the regulation, legal, politics, lobbiests, power folks, etc. We should just shut down all of those industries and retrain everyone for alternatives and total electric (no new lobbiests allowed). Hey, at least we don't have to bother with all the manufacturing lost during the past 30 years. And many of the new services, well they are already in India etc. So, create some more old rust belt and new silent underground, while we go electric above ground. We know how to do it all, without drill, drill, drill.

    2008 Jul 17 05:01 PM | Link | Reply
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    What are we all arguing about?

    History constantly repeats itself, that is a given, im definately bull on that statement.

    Death and taxes. We will all pay taxes, we will all die, oil & gold prices will rise. Period.

    If you dont agree, just look back in time.

    Felix
    2008 Jul 17 05:01 PM | Link | Reply
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    Alternatives may be our Nation's BEST DEFENSE!!
    2008 Jul 17 05:04 PM | Link | Reply
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    Right, Felix - I'm going to go mow the lawn while it's green and growing.
    2008 Jul 17 05:05 PM | Link | Reply
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    Go do that, its better than delaying the unevitable.
    2008 Jul 17 05:21 PM | Link | Reply
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    We need to do something now. All of our money is leaving us for imported oil. According to Global Insight, sovereign-wealth funds like Mumtalakat, the Abu Dhabi Investment Authority and the Qatar Investment Authority hold assets worth $3.5 trillion and will overtake the U.S. economy in size by 2015. Bahrain's fund is smaller, but it is also much younger than neighbor ADIA, which is estimated to hold assets worth about $900 billion and has been around since 1976 Time is running out.
    2008 Jul 17 06:07 PM | Link | Reply
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    I can't figure out who is more naive or outright stupid, the author Dave or nakedJayBird.
    2008 Jul 17 07:29 PM | Link | Reply
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    Ithinkbig - we'll get our answers in the future to the quandry you have and also those questions the rest of us have. U cn cont on it.
    2008 Jul 17 10:00 PM | Link | Reply
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    First of all, thank you all for your comments -- I enjoyed reading them. Since it would be difficult to reply to each of your individual responses, I’ll attempt to conjure a “one fits all” response.

    It seems that most criticism comes from my comment that, ‘opening up the artic wildlife refuge will do little to ameliorate prices.’ My reasoning stems from the fact that there are already 68 million acres currently leased offshore that contain an estimated ~70% of our oil reserves. I am not opposed to deep sea drilling in the least; in fact, the future anticipation of increased oil production can influence prices today. So, from a short-run perspective, the answer is not to open the Artic Wildlife Refuge, but to engage in contracts in the 68 million acres already leased.

    From initial conception through project completion, offshore drilling rigs take years before becoming operational. An offshore jackup rig, for example, will take approximately 3-4 years before becoming operational. Construct a semi-rig, and you’re in the ball-park of 5 years. But these numbers only include construction times -- there are many other necessary steps (feasibility studies, environmental regulations, etc) that add significant time to these estimates. More information can be found here: www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/a.... How will this help reduce demand or increase supply in the short run?

    In the end, oil prices will ease when demand subsides. Eventually, as ‘Mathman Prophecy’ posted, people will spur demand destruction. This is best accompanied by maximized oil production, and significant investment in alternative energies. The profit motive will accomplish this.


    PS – I strongly disagree that speculation plays a key role in the price of oil. I commented on this here: davews.blogspot.com/20....

    PPS – Correction (per Investor612): President Bush, not McCain wants to open the ANWR to drilling.
    2008 Jul 18 11:24 AM | Link | Reply
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    The timelines you site,Dave are not what most oildrillers, not oil companies, believe. While there are these number of acres under lease, Places off-shore where large oil deposits have already been verified should be tapped first. Locations off Florida which hitherto have been off-limits, and where China is going to drill, are a case in point. As far as restriction and environmental concerns, it is interesting that we say we shoulld put alternative energy supply on a crash program, ignoring what has happened when large windmill farms have been proposed or even built only to encounter all kinds of obstacles in installing power lines for delivery to the end user. The obstacles often are generated by the same people who maintain that fossil fuels are creating global warming and ruining the environment. Look at the Cape Wind project for a text book example. Further, the texas decision to make a big commitment to wind is a good instruction mechanism. The cost of putting the power lines up was equal to or greater than the cost of the windmill farm. Massive Solar energy farms have not even started to deal with the means of getting the energy to the end user. I am a believer in getting off the foreign energy dependence situation as soon as possible for the good of all the people and think the either/or approach stands in the way of what is best for the USA.
    2008 Jul 18 01:01 PM | Link | Reply
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    Off-Shore, ANWAR - who cares, they're not cures their diversions from the real problem. The US consumes 20-22 million barrels a day. We currently pump about 1.2 million barrels a day from off-shore oil and 1.4 Million from Alaska. If we even doubled that production without increasing demand you're talking 10% increase?! $.40 at the pump. Not even. The US is in terminal decline so any increase is at best going to keep US production flat. If we're luck we'll still be at $4. a gallon in 10 years. So go ahead and spend billions drilling in ANWAR and off-shore. We'll just be having this same conversation in 10 years (or sooner would be my guess) and have wasted resources chasing a declining commodity.
    2008 Jul 18 02:12 PM | Link | Reply
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    Theoldwizard- here's some wind for you:

    www.pse.com/SiteCollec...
    2008 Jul 18 07:35 PM | Link | Reply
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    And here's additional wind to existing facilities: successful.

    Siemens To Power Washington State with 130 Wind Turbines Apr 1, 2008 ... Siemens To Power Washington State with 130 Wind Turbines. ... wind farm and 58 for the Windy Flats wind farm near Goldendale, Washington. ...

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    2008 Jul 18 07:44 PM | Link | Reply
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    Obviously, what sickens me is that too few folks address the fact that of all the consumed crude we both import AND produce which is then burned in TRANSPORTATION (85% of the ~20+ mbbl/day or the ~40 Quads/yr), only 7 Quads is actually converted to useful energy, while 80% of the energy is wasted in exhaust stacks, cooling water, tail pipes, etc.

    Whereas, if crude-based TRANSPORTAION were electrifed, requiring even fewer than those 7 Quads of useful enengy for the same work, and those < 7 Quads were supplied from "forever available on the surface" solar, wind, tidal, etc., at current conversion efficiencies which are pure gain, we would need only to add to the 12 Quads of electricity we already generate, transmit and distribute from source to end user.

    We know how to electrify and find wind, sand and water to do solar, wind and tidal, etc.

    We should strive much more to put solar and wind into place than to ever explore and drill or mine coal, oil, or gas, etc.; it would be simpler and easier, including the electrification of TRANSPORTATION, starting with the diesel-electric rails, and the others to be built, etc.......
    2008 Jul 18 08:44 PM | Link | Reply
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    Cofident28, Even if your conclusion is correct, which is doubtful, I think that 10 years might be enough to bring substantial alternate energy into practical operation. Just taking your numbers and tranlating 2.5 million barrels of oil /day at $130/barrel to balance of trade reduction we get over 115billion/yr. If we multiply by 10 years, the number exceeds 1.1 trillion. Now let's address your numbers. The estimates for off-shore oil near california,alone is 3 billion barrels. At a rate of usage from mid-east and Venezuela @ 5 millions barrels/day, we could go almost two years without importing any oil from those places. What would that do to the price of oil? It would certainly be a boon to the balance of payments. I believe that your numbers are way too low,since you have not taken into account the oil shale deposits that could provide up to 60 tears worth of oil at 5.5 million barrels/day. Iwouldn't choose Anwar as even close to my first source of more domestic oil. Far less investment would be needed at the sites above. I'd like to understand what the total investment against a realistic timeline it would take to replace the energy of half ot barrels of oil we use today. If we look at Obama's plan, he wants to devote 30billion a year for ten years without stipulating what will be the reduction in our need for imported oil. Further, as I've said before, we need not have an either or solution but one which as quickly as possible fixes our gigantic negative cash flow problem and supplants fossil fuel. Oil from known sources is the best near term solution.while the alternatives are being introduced because no short term alternate can make the required impact needed to address the urgency of our economic and strategic problems.
    2008 Jul 18 09:07 PM | Link | Reply
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    The Old Wizard - Shale is one of the most expensive means of obtaining oil. You're looking at well above $60 per barrel, just for extraction. Huge investment isn't going to happen because companies are too conservative (rightfully so) about the future price of oil. That's the brute reality of the geology and the economics.
    2008 Jul 18 11:19 PM | Link | Reply
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    I hear you old wizard - yes, let's contine producing from what we already have in place and import all we can, while drill no new and we like crazy reduce the crude consumption via every possible method with as much emphasis as possible. Every reduction in consumption can come off our own production first (like it has for 30 years) if we want to keep our resources in the ground for the future for many reasons, and then apply our reductions in crude to imports (unless gasoline goes to $10/gas and the balance of trade becomes an even higher priority, which some say it is at $5, but I won't believe it until we start reducing crude consumtption seriously).

    We must address our consumption with more than mileage targets, clean air reasons, etc, and Al Gore tribe global warming noise. Deliberate conversion from crude to many free "somethings else" in parallel, like a house afire. Again, we are a very resourceful people under wise leadership.

    Hey, according to this mornings paper even Al Gore agrees with 1/2 of my argument (no hydrocarbons for POWER GENERATION; now if we can convince folks of no hydrocarbons for TRANSPORTATION). So, now we're getting somewhere; well the Democrats are. Goodness! If the drill, drill, drill Republicans are not careful this election will go to the Dems. And they (the Republicans deserve it -and I am one; well, have been one!).
    2008 Jul 19 12:47 PM | Link | Reply
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    I can't say which party will have the political will to solve our energy problem, because a real solution will be in conflict with at least one pressure group or minority constituency. Importing other people's oil and leaving ours in the ground , while we develop alternatives over ten years has the very negative effect of increasing our negative trade balance and imperiling the sovereignty of our country. That's why we must have a comprehesive plan with a heightened sense of urgency that involves more domestic oil, focused alternative energy plans where special interest obstacles are removed and conservation. Wind is probably the most viable near alternative, massive solar farms are much behind and regulatory and safety issues hamper new nuclear to come on line in less than 7years. Wind is interesting because many viable projects have been stymied for 5 years for reasons like hampering the view, restricting leisure boating, power line rt. away, local opposition, etc. For all who are interested I refer them to the Cape Wind project history at Cape Cod and the windmill farm in central New York. Last I looked the electric power generation plant on Cape Cod is oil-fired and uses 1m barrels of oil/yr. The cape wind proposed windmill farm would supply 80% of the Cape's electric power needs and has been opposed by powerful Democrats and environmental groups. The proponents have already spent over 50m in environmental studies, plans and legal fees dealing for the most part with opposing forces who have spent over 30m over the last 5years. The vast majority of the citizens are for the pproject. Oh by the way, even if it would cost 60/barrel to get oil from the shale deposits it would 1] put a ceiling on high oil prices would go,2] we would not have to import that much more oil and thereby reduce our balance of payments and 3] signal to the oil exporters that when push comes to shove that we intend to stop selling the assets of this country to a cartel who can control the price of oil while they buy us.Meanwhile we as an electorate must realize the economic threat to our way of life and stop allowing minority pressure groups and special interests to impose sub-optimum solutions. Obama may be the next president, but if we don't force a well thought-out comprehensive plan on the table before any candidate gets our vote, we deserve the result. When we went to the moon we set up Nasa to focus on that goal and spent more than even Obama has promised in today's dollars,where Gov. made initial investments in technology that industry would or could not fund on a cost-risk reward calculation. The products developed in that process were commercialized by private industry after much of the R&D was finished. To get the comprehensive solution something similar must be done. Wind generated energy is not yet competitive unless the generators are paid at retail, not wholesale prices. This might be ok for the consumer, if the distribution means exist or he gets it at no additional cost. If not, someone will have to pay the freight.
    2008 Jul 19 03:31 PM | Link | Reply
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    We have all been paying the freight for import, import, import and will also pay for drill, drill, drill, regardless; it just got a little more expensive recently. So we might as well pay for solar and wind now for a little while and then no more, which is not true for drill, drill, drill or import, import, import.

    Where were they and/or what happened to all the objectors to oil rigs during the last 100 years (while farmers throughout the Nation huggged and blessed their windmills)?
    2008 Jul 19 07:54 PM | Link | Reply
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    Probably true that the consumer wii pay in the end, no matter what. It has been the American way. My point is I want to keep my country American. Further the great productivity our farmers have managed to achieve came with fossil fueled tractors, sowers and reapers and the electrification of the country using mostly coal. China and India are just in the beginning of the same cycle. Why aren't they going directly to alternate energy generation if it requires the same time and investment?
    Nakedjaybird since you don't quantify anything,equating the alternatives as to time to achieve a given amount of energy or the relative costs, is simply an assertion of the either /or persuasion and not the comprehensive plan that solves our most pressing economic problem.
    2008 Jul 19 09:09 PM | Link | Reply
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    China and India have been hoodwinked to a degree. Any energy used for the past 60 years was patterned after many foreigners producing whatever in their country (chinese hydro) or their neighbors (the US has been consulting in India, etc., long before the 60's in chemicals, etc., plus many were educated and trained in the US, learning our ways). China recently announced they are not going to build 30 planned coal fired plants; they have made a commitment to solar, ...

    Solar, wind, tidal have not been the first choice; China and many developoing countries has learned what pollution does and that there are now alternatives. They will switch just as Europe, Brazil, Switzerland, Germany, Spain, Holland when "foothold" power defeated - just as what the US is fighting right now in big oil, coal, etc. Alternatives have a difficult row to hoe. Just as defeating unions required elimination of mfg, outsourcing, etc. The energy transition will be slow but sure here and worldwide. Guess we just get to watch, should we live that long.

    Do you think hydro would have ever made it in the US if it was strickly based on private business push and cost/benefit analysis?
    2008 Jul 20 02:42 PM | Link | Reply
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    I can't process so much conflicting info. First we say the price of oil and coal is rising so quickly because of large increases in demand from developing countries headed by China and India, then China is planning to drill for oil off the coast of Cuba, 50 mi off our Florida coast then we say that China is quickly going to wind and solar.Citing Holland as an example of wind power is a little disengenious. They are one of the original users, long before oil was the prime driver. By the way they have long ago switched to the large turbine blade windmills, something that Cape cod hasn't been able to do, primarily because of politics and environmentalist special interest opposition
    2008 Jul 22 05:24 PM | Link | Reply