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According to the Associated Press, FCC Commissioner Adelstein has put an offer on the table that would enable the merger to happen. Adelstein, a democrat commissioner, was not widely considered as one of the commissioners that would support the merger. By Adelstein putting an offer on the table, there is perhaps a bit of insurance for the merger to proceed if republican commissioner Tate for some reason seeks even more stringent concessions.

Adelstein is asking that additional concessions be added to the deal in order to gain his support. Adelstein is said to be seeking:

  • Pricing cap for six years instead of three.
  • Commitment of 25% of the spectrum for informational and minority programming.
  • Other requirements that were not specified.

There were no details offered on whether the 25% of the spectrum would be under control of the merged entity.

In reference to the issue Adelstein stated, “It’s critical that if we’re going to allow a monopoly, that we put in adequate consumer protections and make sure they’re enforced.”

This latest news now puts commissioner Tate in even more of a spotlight than she was previously. Conventional thinking would have many believe that Tate would seek fewer concessions that Adelstein. Because of this, part of the finalized picture can now begin to take shape, and the street can begin to extrapolate where the conditions will fall.

Sirius (SIRI) and XM (XMSR) have not offered any official response to the Adelstein proposal. For quite some time it has been insinuated that giving back too much spectrum would be a deal breaker. Exactly where the spectrum line is drawn is unknown, but estimates in the neighborhood of 10% have been popular.

[Via Associated Press]

Position: Long Sirius, XM.

Tyler Savery

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    Jul 18 05:45 AM
    My immediate take on the story was that Adelstein decided that there wasn't enough attention (lobbying, incentives) being paid to him.

    Another Liberal wanting a handout. What a surprise.

    Ms. Tate needs to get off her fence and do the right thing.

    ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
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    Jul 18 05:47 AM
    I don't understand why people think that they can just come in and take away some of the business that I own. Sirius and XM built this company, paid and bled good dollars for it all, and so why should others just be able to steal away what we have built? Pleas FCC, just vote no on this merger already so I don't have to listen to anymore whinning from the NAB and watch so many minorities come running with their hands out looking for something for free. We can find other ways without a formal merger to combine our services with each other and with other companies new technology.
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    Jul 18 06:56 AM
    “It’s critical that if we’re going to allow a monopoly, that we put in adequate consumer protections and make sure they’re enforced.”

    My understanding is that the DOJ was charged with making this decision, not the FCC, and the DOJ's ruling was that it was unequivocally not a monopoly.
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    Jul 18 07:09 AM
    why are all the regulations being put on these two companies? people who want it buy it, people who don't, don't buy it. no one is forcing you to listen to xm or siri. this is a bunch of BS! the FCC just needs to hurry up a make a decision. i am getting very sick of all this S**T!
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    Jul 18 07:45 AM
    I agree, somewhere along the line we stopped having a government run "by the people and for the people" and switched to "by the lobbiest and special groups and for the lobbiest and special intrest groups. Enough is Enough !!! Please every one Wake Up!! Let's get these people out of office!!! Let your voice be heard!!!!!!!!
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    Jul 18 07:45 AM
    Let's just call Adelstein's vote a NO. Those requirements are rediculous. It's all on Tate now.
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    Jul 18 08:05 AM
    So now we know what a "NO" vote looks like. I again e-mailed Com. Tate and asked her to "Stop The Madness" and vote for the merger as it is outlined in circulation. I know she won't read it, but while my e-mail is among the thousands she can't read NAB e-mails either.
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    Jul 18 08:06 AM
    hmm, out of curiosity, how can any business stay profitable if not allowed to raise prises for 6 years? kinda like oil @ 20.00 for over 10 years! now look what happened! someone needs to get there head out of there a--
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    Jul 18 08:09 AM
    I agree the 25% is ludicrous. That effectively reduces growth and variety. Maybe he meant 25% of xm or siri existing but not both, which would be in the 10% range... ie maybe he's a non math person.
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    Jul 18 08:15 AM
    can the gov't guarantee no inflation for 6 years ??????????????????????
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    Jul 18 08:24 AM
    i have always thought that around 12.00 dollars a month for the best radio service in the universe was actually pretty cheap, i really don't see what the problem is? if people don't want the service at whatever the cost then simply don't buy it? duh??? nobody is forcing this service on anybody, unlike gasoline? now there is something that might be worthy of the gov't taking a little time to address!
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    Jul 18 08:26 AM
    Maybe Adelstein should agree to no raise clause in his salary for 6 years?
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    Jul 18 08:36 AM
    Beck - That is the best idea I have heard yet! Now will that include no raises from the under the table special interest money??
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    Jul 18 08:40 AM
    If XM/Sirius should donate a quarter of their product and cap their prices, why shouldn't GM, GE, Clear Channel and every other public company be required to do the same? The FTC did their duty of examining the merger and have already given their blessing to this deal. I feel FCC decisions should be about spectrum usage, not fair trade practices. Also, mandating what kind of radios be produced or what content to provide is ridiculous. Consumers can protect themselves by where they spend their money without the FCC mandating the types of radios to produce or hijacking channels for special interests.
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    Jul 18 08:48 AM
    I THINK THEY REALLY LEARNED ABOUT TAKING BRIBES AND ADDING TO THEIR BANK ACCOUNTS IN THAT LITTLE MERGER OF EXXON AND MOBILE.ISN'T IT AMAZING HOW SHORT THE TIME IT TOOK TO GET THAT MERGER VOTED IN.YES WE NEED A GOVERNMENT ELECTED FOR THE GOOD OF THE PEOPLE OF OUR GREAT COUNTRY.
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    Jul 18 09:00 AM
    I cannot believe we're still having this "monopoly" conversation. How can this be considered a monopoly when the alternative product is FREE! I guess once there is gov't healthcare, private insurance will become a "monopoly" under this definition.
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    Jul 18 09:01 AM
    Tate's e-mail address at the F.C.C. is "dtaylortateweb@f... Everybody who approves this merger needs to let her know TODAY!!! As has been said before, "Enough Is Enough"!!! Let your voice be heard!
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    Jul 18 09:04 AM
    My last posting seems to have left off the "@ fcc.gov" for Tate's e-mail address.
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    Jul 18 09:09 AM
    out of curiosity, how many for profit businesses have been told or agreed to a no price increase for 6 years, and if they did are they still in business? stupid democrats!
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    Jul 18 09:14 AM
    Most pricing "Caps" do include an Inflation escalator. Also, Adelstein may be opening up the negotiation for his vote. He might be able to get 12.5 % and 4 years from Mel. He has definitely set up the worst case for his yes vote. The companies need to find out how flexible he is willing to be.
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    Jul 18 09:18 AM
    all we need is ms. tates vote. adelstein can go home with his tail tucked
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    Jul 18 09:19 AM
    Why comment? Goes in one ear and out the other.
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    Jul 18 09:20 AM
    Poop or get off the pot already!!
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    Jul 18 09:35 AM
    Tate is in the pocket of the broadcasters, this whole thing sticks of political corruption. Now we have the FCC concerned over monopoly. Most of these "commissioners&qu... can't play the board game.
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    Jul 18 09:48 AM
    I find it interesting that a government agency expects a corporation to surrender 25% of its business to be allowed to continue operating.

    God only asked for 10%.

    Hmmmm...
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    Jul 18 10:22 AM
    this carp has nothing to do with consumer protection ....how can someone expect a six year price freeze with runaway inflation coming ???? I am so sick of hearing "what's best for the consumer" , I want to puke ......these people make me sick , I am so disgusted with these fat cat bureaucrats .....and the minority carp ??? don't get me started on that non-sense ....let's put this in perspective .....suppose , instead of demanding 25% minority channels , someone were to demand 25% caucasian channels ???? I mean what is this ???? it sure isn't equality .......equality is this , you want some airtime ????? you buy it .....you want a job ???? you work ......you want an education ????? you go to school ....and you base ALL on qualifications , NOT RACE ......these conditions are unacceptable ....suppose one of these "minority" owned channels is boring and no one likes it ????? is siri supposed to keep it just to live up to the quota ????? How is THAT good for consumers .......Adelstein go F yourself !!!!!!!! you hypocrite liar piece of carp
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    Jul 18 10:29 AM
    Tate is useless...what a "token" too bad she doesn't have a brain to vote with.
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    Jul 18 10:29 AM
    cos1000 ....."adelstein may be opening up the vote for negotiations" ........ya cos , I think maybe he is just letting siri know that he is willing to take some bribe money ......I am sure glad the FCC isn't a 20 person panel of judges .....that would get expensive !!!!!! One more to bribe , and we're home free !!!!!!! Ok Mel , I'll pitch in a nickel to bribe that hypocrite Adelstein ......."consumer protection" my assssss
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    Jul 18 10:35 AM
    cos..."negotiatio... What, for another 6 month delay?
    I certainly hope not! What a crock of shit!

    BTW...SIRI up .16 to 2.26 at the moment!
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    Jul 18 10:39 AM
    ok , siri and xm are both going UP ...and this is a FRIDAY !!!!! Usually the day when stocks go DOWN ......something is coming , and someone already knows it ......I have a feeling very very soon ....the merger is in ........siri / xm have been flat for a while , and a pop on friday is not consistent with previous behavior ......inching upwards , with no major pullbacks so far .......someone is jumping the gun here
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    Jul 18 10:39 AM
    What exactly are we considering a minority? Who is to say that those that are considered minorities today, will be able to hold on to that title for much longer? I know the landscape is changing here in California. The system is flawed. The concessions are flawed. This isnt a government funded University, so we are we bringing up the idea of affirmative action? Just waiting for the democrats to mandate anti-war channels with this merger....
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    Jul 18 10:44 AM
    The only questions I have are these: If all of the satellite receivers have to have AM/FM tuners as well as the HD radio shouldn't all of the AM/FM and HD tuners have satellite receivers? Who pays for all of this installations that Adelstein is demanding? Does he expect Siri and XM to pay for installations of a chip that would enable a completely different company to profit from??? I am an English teacher, not an Economics teacher but it just does not sound right...am I missing something here?
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    Jul 18 10:48 AM
    No, Teacher Dude, you're not missing anything. It's simply the whores running our government trying to force a company to give its competitors a free ride.
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    Jul 18 10:58 AM
    HOW ABOUT A GOVERNMENT MANDATE THAT REQUIRES ALL TRADITIONAL RADIO COMPANIES TO DEVELOP AND DISTRIBUTE RECEIVERS CAPABLE OF RECEIVING SATELLITE RADIO SIGNALS AND REQUIRE THEM TO PICK UP THE COST OF THOSE RECEIVERS WHICH WOULD INCLUDE PAYING THE ROYALTIES AND FEES ASSOCIATED WITH BROADCASTING ALL MUSIC, TALK SHOWS, AND SPORTING EVENTS!!!!

    WHILE WERE AT IT...HOW ABOUT LOWERING OIL AND GAS PRICES AND FREEZING THOSE PRICES FOR SIX YEARS!!!
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    Jul 18 10:58 AM
    Okay Shure46, lets clearify something. Nowadays and in this arena, the term minority is not race specific. Be aware that gays are considered a minority and we know what race is the majority there. Woman of all races are considered minorities in most circles. The problem with this term in this merger is noone has defined what exactly minority broadcasting they are talking about. Must the station be minority owned. (I think not there are only a few of those). Must the station have minority topics. (If thats the case, then it is the majority caucasian owners that profit). Okay so now what is it that you are ranting about again??? I have shares in both companies and am highly concerned about giving spectrum to anyone without a price. However, it is not the minorities as you may beleive is the culprit, its the NAB using whatever tools they can to rob us all, majority and minority stock holders.
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    Jul 18 11:11 AM
    I have an idea.

    Let's force all computer makers to offer all their machines with both Intel and AMD chipsets, run on Windows and Mac OS, and have Microsoft pay for the whole thing.

    While we're at it, let's have all car dealers sell their competitors' vehicles at a steep discount in the same showroom, and require that all vehicles run on gas, LPG, CNG, and hydrogen all at the same time. ExxonMobile can pick up the tab for the conversions and the dealerships can eat the discount.

    Utopia is right around the corner!
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    Jul 18 11:27 AM
    Not sure if you all heard what Adelstein is requiring: 25% of channels dedicated to minority and public interest.

    biz.yahoo.com/ap/08071...

    I hate the government. What an freaking waste! If they are good and had an audience, SIRI would put them on their programming without a BS mandate like this.
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    Jul 18 11:37 AM
    It still confounds me that simple economics... the first class I ever took in college is never brought up by anyone at the FCC. I guess that would imply they are well educated. THE MARKET WILL DETERMINE PRICE AFTER THE MERGER. IF THE PRICE IS TOO HIGH THEN CONSUMERS WON'T BUY AND SIRI WILL ADJUST PRICES DOWN TO OPTIMIZE REVENUE. I don't have cable because I don't think $50-100 a month for bad programming is worth it. I can live without TV and I can live without SATRAD if price goes beyond what I'm willing to pay. APPROVE NOW!
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    Jul 18 11:59 AM
    One needs to look no further than the pending merger between XM and Sirius Satellite to see cronyism, corruption, and bureaucratic ignorance at its best. And the guilty party is the FCC and congress, who are being paid off by lobbyists who are against the merger. This, after the Department of Justice ruled back in March that the merger was not monopolistic and would benefit consumers. This after the DOJ gave the green light WITHOUT the companies having to give concessions. The proposed merger is a mouse compared to other mergers in history, with the combined market cap of the companies hovering near 5.6 billion dollars. Yet it is the longest running merger proposal in history, surpassing 400 days! Meanwhile, Exxon and Mobil, two oil behemoths were allowed to merge relatively smoothly, considering the monopolistic concerns involved in that one. (How do you like gas prices today?) And now Anheiser Busch is going to be gobbled up by a foreign entity in three shakes of a lamb's tail. The actions, or rather, INACTIONS by the FCC concerning XM/Sirius wreak of BLATANT POLITICAL CORRUPTION. And people wonder why our country is so screwed up?
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    Jul 18 01:11 PM
    400 days... 44 more and it will eclipse the Iranian Hostage Crisis, which is exactly what this is starting to look like.
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    Jul 18 02:42 PM
    shure46......Drink some more of that coffee, man your all over the place. First Siri has not been down on Fridays for the last 4 Fridays ever since the Weinkes report. Second, where is all the proof of bribes. I'm so sick of all this accusation without any facts. Mel isn't going to pay one dime to Adelstein for his last minute grand standing. Adelstein's proposal, as it stands is a NO VOTE for this merger. You constantly complain as the deal gets closer to getting done and your stocks move up slowly as a result. Tate will come around, and put her signature on this deal with more definition at to what she sees as a minority, and it won't be RACE defined. She will also put open access and enforcement into the deal, with HD Radio looking in from the outside of the new inter-operable radios. Relax and drink some decaf while the negotiations continue, with news to follow early next week. This deal is done.
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    Jul 18 03:37 PM
    There are already minority stations. I have siri and there is a korean channel, about 5 spanish channels, urban stations, BET. There is even a gay channel. They cater to anything and everything. What could the Georgetown partners provide that could be so compelling? If it was compelling, they would not have to force people to broadcast it.

    Also on the monopoly thing. I can not believe this is even an issue. How can the NAB and FCC actually take this seriously and try to sell it? All products that compete have variations or niches that set them apart, but they are all part of a broad market. The FCC's job (do they really do anything) is about communications, not market analysis. If the merger results in a monopoly with Siri/XM pushing around consumers, then break them up. No one can predict the future and the government really sucks at predicting the economy/future. Can anyone truly have a monopoly on entertainment or audio entertainment? Maybe clear channel can if the merger keeps delaying and these companies fail.
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    Jul 18 03:45 PM
    I am saddened to think there are revolutionary products out there people are willing to spend $$ on, but big business threatened by these products can kill them. If it was through fair market competition, I would not have a problem with it, but it is through lobbying, stall tactics, government incompetence, government investigation, and corruption that these products consumers demand can never be realized. It saddens me as an American to think that innovation, hard-work, and risk taking (the american way) can be stiffled through bribery and lobbying simply because someone with an inferior product stands to lose 5% of the market share. How are we to ever get anything done in this country anymore that government needs to be involved with? I am so frustrated, saddenned, embarrassed, etc.
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    Jul 18 05:06 PM
    jmb476......I agree with most of your sentiments and totally agree with your concerns about Georgetown Partners. They are not about Public Interest and Minority Commercial Free Programming. As you have stated, both companies provide and abundance of Women's, Gay, Spanish, Korean / Asian, African American, World News, National Public Radio, Country Western (Oh that's not a minority) programing. They do it because its dynamic and makes good business sense to appeal to the audience that drives autos and wants selective programming and is willing and able to pay for it. It's the "Pay" part that Georgetown is interested in. Something for nothing, and the FCC has provided the perfect forum for them to make the "Grab" under the Public Interest mandate that the FCC is responsible for. As disgusting as it is, they have not yet been successful. The transparency of their intentions, and the process itself gives us all insight into the political BS that goes on every day, and is making us all ill.
    The National Association of Broadcasters (NAB) is putting up a terrific fight and funding all merger opposition. As proof notice how they are silent to Georgetown's GRAB. It's because they can then repurchase this Spectrum from Georgetown and have Minority Access to this innovative satellite technology.

    The HD radio GRAB is another NAB sponsored attempt to get something for nothing in the forum of the FCC Public Interest Mandate and Rule Change for Licensing process. Terestrial Radio, is HD radio, is NAB and doesn't have an entry point into the OEM market. This process under the Public's Interest to get "Free" Radio is their best shot at a future at a "no cost to them", and exclusively at the expense of Satellite Radio and the OEM companies opportunity. Thankfully GM, a cash strapped automaker, and Toyota, a usually silent OEM when it comes to Satellite Radio deals, are opposed to absorbing any costs relating to HD chipset installation in their vehicles radios. So that's another area that a good NAB fight is being brought forth but has not yet, nor do I think it will be successful. Open Access manufacturing of future radios by any manufacturer who wants to enter the market place will determine whether or not HD chips are included or not.

    Unfortunately this process has everyone equating Lobbying for Agendas the same as Bribery. Until everyone stands up and votes to eliminate the legality of Lobby access to Politicians, it is the system that we are stuck with. Political Action Committees (PACs), and Lobbies have taken the place of "We the People". Its only when we see our interests tossed around by those in positions of power, now affecting our wealth and investments, that we whine and complain about the corrupt system that we all allowed to develop. As much as I, like you, are saddened and embarrassed by the process, I accept it for what it is. It is what we have available to make this merger work. It flows both ways. If you don't like it "FIX IT".

    Now as far as the talk about monopoly from the FCC, or as is commonly phrased: "A Merger To Monopoly", any commissioner that uses this in their reasoning for voting against the merger or adding concessions to the merger will face the wrath of the court system after the merger has been approved. The DOJ has approved this merger as non competitive or will do no harm if approved. That is HUGE moving forward in the court system. SIXM, Sirius and XM after the merger will be able to contest the FCC findings after the merger in court when the FCC tries to enforce those concessions established because of the "Merger To Monopoly" thesis. It is not the FCC's mandate or authority to make decisions based on the monopoly premise.

    Finally if you are an investor, enjoy the ride up in stock price as this painful process comes to an end. If you are a citizen who can vote, do your best to vote the a$$holes out. If you are a consumer, enjoy the choices that Satellite Radio, Internet Radio, the IPOD / I-Phone, MP3, CD, and every new technology has to offer you. If you are a Terrestrial Radio Listener, I am sorry that darkness has entered your life and feel empathy for all the commercial "Tunes" that are floating around in your head. There is another world out there.
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    Jul 18 09:11 PM
    Edelstein's proposals are unacceptable. He's coming in with a worse proposal than Georgetown Partners wanted in the fall of 2007.

    This is politics. Edelman is kiting the percentage of the spectrum, to 25% of the spectrum likely hoping that Siri/XM will go for the 20% that Georgetown wants.

    He wants to fix the prices for 6 years. This is foolish. The economy has cycles just as businesses have cycles.

    This is a business decision that belongs to the merged companies not to the FCC.

    Edelman is overstepping his bounds-----its rather simple either vote for the merger or vote no. The DOJ has said not a monopoly.

    Siri and XM should not fall for this gambit.

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    Jul 18 09:44 PM
    Roxieanne Edelstein and Edelman I believe are Adelstein, if not congratulations on appointing new commissioners to the FCC.
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    Jul 18 11:06 PM
    cos1000 , what in the hell are you ripping me for ????? I was happy to see the stocks go up and hold on a friday , and the stocks i watch seem to pull back some on fridays ( I didn't necessarily say Siri does that , but I know that friday is a pull back day a lot )because people get jittery over the weekends , so I thought it was a good sign ...I am not complaining , and I was insinuating that someone knows the merger is in , and some money is flowing in ...I was thinking ya alright !!!!!! siri and xm are rising and holding well ...good news !!!!! Geesh , and you're ripping me for that ??????..... and bribes ????? I am talking the perks you gotta give these damn bureaucrats to get something done in washington ....what , that is news to you ??????? I am stating my OPINIONS in my posts .....I'll let you handle the specifics ....deal ?????? and if you are sick of hearing what i have to say then dont read my posts ....deal ??????? I didn't say one damn thing for you to jump my shit ....and you want some facts ???? What do you think it means when the analysts say the NAB or even SIRI/XM has "payed" to "lobby" the FCC ??????? 100's of thousands of dollars ......what do you think "lobbyists" do ??????? and what's the "lobby" money for ????? .... I was NOT ripping MEL , I said Adelstein is PROBABLY wanting to get in on the perks too .......geez , sorry if that offended you ....but that is my opinion .... I think to get something done in Washington you have to grease a few palms .....if you don't believe that , fine , I DO , and you cannot prove I am wrong , any more than i can prove I am right by " facts " ....now for the record , I was pissed because of Adelstein trying to extract another pound of flesh ....and frankly I am hoping his influence and vote is not needed ....I simply want as few encumberances as possible with the merger .....am I wrong for that ??????? I sure don't think so ......so back off jack !!!!!!!!!! hahahahhahahaha just kidding , but really I think you were a bit unfair in that post to me ......and I think you need the decaff worse than me .......and you can handle the intricate details , but allow me my opinions , 'cause I don't think I'm wrong in a lot of my posts .....but I will never claim infallibility ......I'm not on any ego trips ( didn't say you were either ) ....anyway thank you for your posts , they are informative ......but I can do without the scolding thank you ....and skip my posts if they piss you off or "make you sick" .....ain't no one twistin' yer arm
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    Jul 18 11:20 PM
    cos , i know i have been agitated over these "conditions" for the merger ....I just get tired of this burearocratic red tape haggling over scraps and crumbs ........and so I vent on some posts about politicians because I really get frustrated when they piss around .....anyway , I know things are going well .....the past two days have been great for me ....but i still can't stand politicians , and i don't see that changing anytime soon
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    Jul 19 12:46 AM
    .ya cos , I think maybe he is just letting siri know that he is willing to take some bribe money ......I am sure glad the FCC isn't a 20 person panel of judges .....that would get expensive !!!!!! One more to bribe , and we're home free !!!!!!! Ok Mel , I'll pitch in a nickel to bribe that hypocrite Adelstein ......."consumer protection" my assssss

    shure46 I'm sorry isn't that your opinion that I read around 10:30 this mourning. I didn't think any of my comments asked for your opinion but I seem to have gotten it anyway.
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    Jul 19 01:08 AM
    Cos 1000

    I did garble that name----what's his name? lol

    Okay so it is Adelstein: With name corrected, I repeat.


    "Adelstein's proposals are unacceptable. He's coming in with a worse proposal than Georgetown Partners wanted in the fall of 2007.

    This is politics. Adelstein is kiting the percentage of the spectrum, to 25% of the spectrum likely hoping that Siri/XM will go for the 20% that Georgetown wants.

    He wants to fix the prices for 6 years. This is foolish. The economy has cycles just as businesses have cycles.

    This is a business decision that belongs to the merged companies not to the FCC.

    Adelstein is overstepping his bounds-----its rather simple either vote for the merger or vote no. The DOJ has said not a monopoly.

    Siri and XM should not fall for this gambit."


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    Jul 19 01:21 AM
    Roxieanne.... I agree with your opinions as always and as I said above, the Adelstein proposal is no vote in disguise...
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    Jul 19 05:47 PM
    WOW, I leave town for a few days and look what happens.


    Guys, dont worry, Martin asked for commissioners to give their ideas of what they would like. Adelsteins concessions dont have a leg to stand on, for one he has gone beyond his job. He has said, has someone else called it out, that he calls this a monopoly. The DOJ has already done its job on that, and said it was not. As I have told you before, write Adelstein and tell him it was not his job to figure if this was a monpoly or not, when he started to listen to the state AGs concerns.


    I find this to be a good thing because we, now know what Tate is not going to ask for. On top of that, lets face it, it has already been stated that the deal that Martin nogotiated left little wiggle room.


    jmb476, I would not worry about that because what you most likely see is that Tate, ask to make sure that the stations already being put out by SIRI/XMSR are not included in the 8%. That is as I have said would be the kind of thing that, Tate would be asking for. She is going to be looking for more along the lines of guarantees that they do what they said they would do, instead of trying to flim flam their way out of them, by basically saying ok we already have this 8 % that public Knowledge and minorities are looking for so we dont have to carry them anymore they will do it for us, and they will be paying for it instead of us, so it is actually a win for SIRI/XMSR. I dont like to put this stuff up because it shows how these concessions are not all bad for SIRI/XMSR.
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    Jul 19 06:12 PM
    shure46... Guess you told me. Not to worry, after that rant you are invisible to me.

    163888... Welcome back! I hope your time away was enjoyable. Your reasonable approach was missed.
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    Jul 19 07:37 PM
    cos1000, as to sure46, I stop seeing him a while ago. When he stop seeing the truth and I had to repeat myself over and over again. He still does not believe me about the uranium rich yellow cake that Canada bought from Iraq and was just finished transfering it. I told him in our debate that he was out matched trying to debate me on these things because he took the liberal side and liberals only see and hear what they want to. That yellow cake is a perfect example. I cant believe, He did not see it on the news unless he gets all his news from the likes of CNN.

    As to the trip it was a nice little getaway, for the wife and I, I wanted to say longer but she wanted to get back to the kids.

    I see you had very good points. I also posted on the other article by that nit-wit (M&A researcher) about Adelstein and what little he ment to the final deal. He was a no vote anyway, the only people that thought that, he was going to be reasonable was "plowboy". As you recall I told him long ago he was nuts for thinking that. The comment he made about the DOJ in reguards to the state AGs showed how unreasonable he was going to be. I really cant help but think Adelstein, as a nonissue. The only good thing about it is that it showed how far Tate would not go. Adelstein is a liberal Tate is a conservative they are even futher apart then Martin and Adelstein, in my opinion.
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    Jul 19 08:44 PM
    163888 Here is the link to the article regarding the "Yellow Cake" from Iraq. www.macleans.ca/articl...
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    Jul 20 12:03 PM
    www.time.com/time/colu... .........I find it incredible that George Bush would give a state of the union address and emphasize the yellow cake Sadaam was "attempting to buy" as a reason to go to war , instead of the 550 tons he already has !!!!!!! And please don't tell me they only found the yellow cake AFTER invading Iraq ...because this yellow cake was found at this Tuwaith NUCLEAR FACILITY , which if overlooked , means we are dipshits when it comes to intelligence ....I try to get my information from a variety of sources , and George Bush's mouth , is one of those sources ......the only story I have heard is the "attempt to buy yellow cake" , which was bogus , and certainly no reason to go to war .....as for this 550 tons already there ??? I read the article and I am more than happy to concede my error .....but I definately find it incredible that this is not front page nation wide news for George Bush to vindicate himself ......so obviously , there is more to the story , and this yellow cake must be pretty diluted since even the mcleans story said it wouldn't even be good for a dirty bomb ......but hey , I'll give ya the yellow cake story ......but with a caveat that this yellow cake must be pretty lame stuff , or it would be a major focus of the Bush administration , and nationwide , front page news ......." DEADLY YELLOWCAKE FOUND IN IRAQ , GEORGE BUSH VINDICATED " .......anyway , it doesn't matter , we went to war because that region has strategic interest , and oil is a matter of national , and world , security ....period , end of story ........anyway , I am tired of arguing and you two guys insinuating I am unreasonable and a stupid liberal crap .....I really get tired of being insulted , and I did not intend to come here and hurl insults back and forth ( but I know things get out of hand sometimes ) ....I just came here to see what people were saying about the satrad situation .......and I think we all see what we want to see ....I do not hold the patent on bias .....as for my link I posted , i simply googled yellow cake , and posted the story , I can't help it if it's a CNN story , i didn't google CNN , just yellow cake........... and the attempt to BUY yellow cake , was one of the reasons for war ....so that was the yellow cake I was thinking of in my previous posts .......The inspectors were in Iraq for years , and this yellow cake was found at a NUCLEAR FACILITY ....does it not seem strange that this was not a MAJOR selling point for war ???? OR we OVERLOOKED IT ????????????????? and 163888 , you did NOT say " Yellowcake that was shipped to Canada " ...all you said was "600 tons of yellowcake" , and I thought you meant the same yellow cake George Bush was talking about when he said " Iraq is attempting to buy yellowcake from Nigeria " ......which turned out to be bogus info ...........and I will make this my last comment to you guys , but I just wanted to clear up where I was coming from with the yellowcake post a few days ago ....and frankly , why we went to war doesn't matter now ......the only thing that matters is for the middle east to calm down and pump a secure steady supply of oil ......whatever it takes ....that's the bottom line ....so they might as well play ball or it will be more of the same ......does that sound like a "blind liberal" ???????? I believe the war was necessary , but not for the reasons we were told , and to pull out (which will never happen , that's another lie) would be a disaster .........and every politician in America knows that too , regardless of what they tell us ........now , you two guys just hurl all the insults you want at ole shure46 , my damn stock is going up , and you cannot rain on my parade in the least bit .....and cos , stop reading this post !!!!!!!! I am invisible !!!!!!!!! hahah ahahahah ahahahahhahaha .....seriously , both of you , have a good day , and we are getting a little wealthier soon ........hopefully a LOT wealthier
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    Jul 20 01:42 PM
    I cant believe iam even doing this, but I am only going to do it to show what a jackass you are.

    You just said: IT ????????????????? and 163888 , you did NOT say " Yellowcake that was shipped to Canada " ...all you said was "600 tons of yellowcake" , and I thought you meant the same yellow cake George Bush was talking about when he said " Iraq is attempting to buy yellowcake from Nigeria " ......which turned out to be bogus info

    Once again you just prove my point you only see and hear what you want to see and hear. Because this is my first comment on this, to you in our debate on june 8th I said this: By the way have you even heard about the 600 **TONs**, thats right not pounds, but **TONs** of Urainum rich Yellow Cake transported from Iraq to Canada (I have no idea why Canada bought it, but I feel alot safer that it is in their hands then Saddams, dont you).

    My secound comment on this was june 11th I said this: P.S. Where you also totally ignorant of the 500 chemically tip artillery shells and the 600 tons of Yellow Cake found in Iraq.

    Finally on June 13th I said: Ok this is the last time I will respond because you are just not getting it, this proves what I said about how you dont see or listen to what you dont want to. Like I said what do you call the 500 shells of chemically tip artillary rounds, What do you call 600 tons of yellow cake. Those are WMDs or the materials to make a WMD. You do know what they use yellow cake for right. WHEN I SAID IT THE FIRST TIME, DID THAT JUST BLOW BY YOU ARE WHAT.

    Those were all my comments to you about your disbelief of this each time I told you about it, and this was the comment that takes the "cake" so to speak, and your last comment and the last straw for me.

    There was NO yellow cake ...it was BS intelligence that Bush cherry picked , and ignored the intelligence telling him the story was bogus .....you being an intelligence officer in the marines only means you were indoctrinated by the military.

    You plainly denied it being there, period. Also how anyone could think I was talking about it as you suggest after reading all the statements I just showed, is just crazy, unless they just did not want to see it. As I have said when you try to debate me on these things you are over matched, coming from the perspective you are coming from. It has nothing to do with whos IQ. is larger. It has to do with how much information one is willing to take in.
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    Jul 20 01:43 PM
    cos1000, Thanks for the link.
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    Jul 20 03:21 PM
    163888...... good to see you back.... It's been kind of quiet with you gone. {and Cos1000}........ Do you feel that the "street" has figured in all of this bad Adelstein news business, as so much BS, and decided that we will have a merger at the end of the month with a positive Tate vote?.......thus, the rise in the two stocks values over the past week, {when they should have been down on bad news} and probably... continuing in a positive direction, to the end of the month merger news? Or am I being too hopeful. Thanks!
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    Jul 20 04:54 PM
    killerkaul, as I said before I think it was good news for them because most thought that Adelstein was a complete NO vote. This just showed that if they wanted to merge they could, even though I think they would walk away if they had to go with anything even close to what Adelstein wants.

    What have I always said about these two democrats. I know some may think it amazing how, I can call so many things. But as I have said, it is not anything special, just common sense. I also dont go to far off the reservation. As an example common sense tells me that when Martin puts a statement out that there is little wiggle room, in the agreement that he put together, take that with passed history on this merger, the fact that Tate is even more conservative then Martin, and that means she will not fall for the crap the NAB is putting out about HD,and the rest, you can come up with Tate, not asking for to much more. She is not going to mess this deal up, to get more then can be given. See *common sense*, if you look at it that way you can see what I have said is not going to far off the reservation.
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    Jul 20 07:51 PM
    163888..... No problem on the link. I also agree with your take on Tate as I have stated before. She is going to tighten up enforcement of concessions and probably set up some type of oversight authority paid for by the merged entity. Public Knowledge / Media Access Project, PK/MAP have made a pretty good case for it, and have used AT&T / Comcast and the Time Warner / AOL merger agreements as past precedent. Open access and minority set aside will fall under oversight authority. The one year moratorium may be stepped back to 120 - 180 days. None of these are deal breakers, simply operating plans for the merger to move forward.

    killerkaul...I don't think your being too hopeful. Both stocks have been pounded and as 163888 said above Adelstein's BS represents the deal moving forward and is not an outright "NO". Anyone who is holding a "short" position with the merger so close to being done, needs to close the position, buy the borrowed shares, while they can. With all the talk lately of "Naked Short" positions and how to better regulate (again) and enforce the current rules, investors don't want to be unable buy shares at the right price. Although there probably will be no "short" squeeze, it does put upward pressure, in addition to longs getting in, on the stock price. This moves SIRI up and because of the "Risk" Arbitrage with XM, as SIRI moves up, XM will follow. With SIRI at $2.28, XM is at $10.49, (2.28 x 4.6) at merger approval, while closing on Friday at $8.55. That's a 22.5% "Risk" Premium to XM. So as SIRI's stock price creeps up with merger anticipation for whatever the investor's reason is, (every $.01 of SIRI is $.046 of XM) the Risk Premium for XM goes up also, not necessarily in % but in $. Upon approval the Risk Premium essentially goes away and moves in lock step with SIRI's stock price. This is why I have bought around 2,000 shares of XM with an Average Cost of 7.34 over the last 2 weeks. It's not much but its been working so far.
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    Jul 21 10:22 AM
    163888, and Cos1000........... Good morning, nice increases on siri and xm this morning. Thank you for your replys and insight, as usual, they were very helpful. Things seem to be going according to the outlines you have set forth thus far. I'm hoping that, as the price of the stocks climb daily, that the excitement being generated on the street in anticipation of the merge...... will increase the size and breadth of the pop .... when the merge does occur. Will just have to wait and see. Run Blue Dog Runnn...............
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    Jul 21 11:52 AM
    163888 - "Sirius Post Merger Guidance" your post 7-13 05:08PM .......you said , "what about the 600 tons of yellowcake" ......period .....and really dude , this crap that I only see what I want to see is just as easily applied to you as it is to me ....everyone has some bias I think , and you are no exception ......ok , so enjoy your money you made the last few days on siri/xm , and things are looking better for all of us .....
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    Jul 21 12:18 PM
    Oh I think there is little difference when we get passed the 200 ton mark, besides you are right I include the other radioactive equipment that Canada took, as part of the deal. that was first reported as a total of the 600 tons of yellow cake. It has since been corrected in the news. As to where you are spliting hairs of my comment, I showed you to be totally wrong on yours.

    Second I have not made anything until it hits 2.5 then I will sell that 3000 I bought at 1.86. Who called that by the way, and then the run up, hummmmm. I guess you could split hairs again, and say that SIRI down turn lasted longer then first thing Thursday morning. and went into the late morning.
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    Jul 21 12:19 PM
    163888 - www.foxnews.com/story/... ....... this is a pretty comprehensive log of events in Iraq prior to war .....note , massive weapons inspections and , Iraq's abilities to wage war strongly diminished by destroying any weapons found .....and the source is fox news .....note the free reign of inspectors in Iraq to go wherever they want and to order weapons destroyed ......time after time , again and again , over and over , log entries galore .......FOX NEWS ......Iraq was very much weakened , and all sadaam had to do was play ball ....but he got cocky , and we let him have it .......that's what I see from my blind liberal eyes .....thank you fox , for confirming what I already knew
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    Jul 21 02:21 PM
    If the inspectors were allowed to go where they wanted and destroy whatever they wanted then why did they not get the yellow cake. Simple they where not as you claim. You once again prove my point about only seeing what you want, and hearing what you want, You also prove by point about FOX news, being fair and balenced. You obviously missed or just did not want to see all the reports FOX did on how Saddam held them up and would not let them inspect sites when they wanted or where they wanted. It was suppose to be full discloser according to the treaty Iraq signed after the first war. I remember one in because I found it to be the most funny. The Iraqy government told the inspectors that they are able to go where they want, but they have to be accompanied by monitors, and there are none avaible yet. I guess you just missed that one though, right, along with the dozens of others.

    On that note, I will say; You are a lunitic not to much unlike VicDave, and I will not bother with you until you find help. I am sorry, but just because you are for SIRI it does not make you anymore valid then VicDave.
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    Jul 21 03:02 PM
    Liberals...... the more I learn of their blind emotionalism, the less and less hope I have, for their party ever becoming even somewhat rational.
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    Jul 21 09:37 PM
    YUM YUM YELLOWCAKE ....ok , after reading up as much as i can on this yellowcake situation , then here is what i see with my blind liberal eyes ....the Tuwaith nuclear facilty was bombed way back in the 80's by Israel .....and apparently the facility was not functional , and contained this yellowcake ....all the inspectors knew about it , everyone has known about it for years ....the Tuwaith nuclear facility is no secret , and it lies 12 miles south of Baghdad ....apparently , no one has given a crap about this yellowcake for a long long time , and finally they decided , " Hey we better clean this place up and get this shit outta here " .....That yellow cake has sat there for years , and finally they got around to cleaning it up .......NOW I know why the story of Sadaam "attempting to buy MORE yellow cake " ( which turned out to be false ) was more important than this " 550 tons he ALREADY HAD " ......Just as my suspicions confirmed , this yellowcake was not a big deal , and everyone knew about it for years .......The Tuwaith nuclear facility was bombed and worthless for years , and the radioactive debris was finally cleaned up and shipped out .........so I guess that's just blind emotionalism on my part , and the reason no one "got the yellow cake" until now , is because they didn't give a shit about it !!!!!!!! They damn sure knew about it since the early 90's !!!!!!!!! You know it takes our government a long time to get around to things ......and i even read another article where it was GREENPEACE that finally prodded the government to clean that mess up because the Iraqi villagers were being contaminated with radiation !!!!!!!! They were pilfering the nuclear complex for whatever they could find , and getting irradiated in the process !!!!!!! Those damn liberals !!!!!!!!
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    Jul 21 10:00 PM
    163888 - yes i know sadaam played cat and mouse ....no argument there ......but the overall picture to me is that the inspections were doing plenty , and sadaam was completely weakened militarily ......I think his speedy demise confirms that opinion ......plain and simple , if sadaam had played ball with the USA , there would be no talk of him being a madman or wmd's ......our government would be praising him as a champion of democracy .....if he would have JUST PLAYED BALL with us .....but he was a cocky little dictator that thumbed his nose at us , and tried to use the common arab rhetoric " I VILL CRUSH YOU " crap .....you gotta love those arabs and there rhetoric tough guy shit ......." I KEEL YOU !!!!!! " .....soooooo he got squashed ....world politics is a dirty business , and sometimes it is best to shut up and play ball ......Iran would do well to "shut up and play ball" .....it's the only way .....play ball or get kicked off the playground .....that is the future of the world .....watch and see .....oh wait , you DO SEE .....I forgot , I am the blind liberal here !!!!!!! you guys crack me up with that BS

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