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Now that the merger between Sirius and XM is complete, it is now time for everyone to focus on what what will happen going forward. For those that listen to SiriusBuzz Radio, you have heard me discuss some of this potential before. This piece will focus on the OEM potential.

Each year 15,000,000 cars are sold in the United states. Some manufacturers have satellite radio as standard equipment, while some are barely getting started with SDARS installations. Up to this point we are familiar with promotional periods, take rates, and OEM subsidies.

The basic structure of satellite radio deals with auto manufacturers involves satellite radio subsidizing the radios as well as installations. In return, the OEMs for the most part pay part of the promotional period subscription. The consumer is exposed to satellite radio for “free” for a period of time. Half of those exposed to the service elect to become self paying subscribers. Those self paying subscribers generate revenue, and a portion of that revenue is shared with the OEM.

One of the problems with this business model is that all of those consumers that elect to forgo satellite radio represent costs for subsidies, etc. and no revenue for either the satellite radio company or the OEM going forward.

What if there were to be a shift in the OEM business model?

What if the price of a five year subscription was built into the price of the car? The first year delivers the standard $12.95 satellite radio service. Years 2 through 5 deliver the “Pick 50 Channels” service at $6.99. This represents a value of about $500.

If that $500 value were put into the price of the car, the consumer would see about a $10 per month difference in their monthly payment month, but would never really equate it with satellite radio. From the perspective of the consumer, the satellite radio simply came with the car.

Benefits of Such a Shift

1. All radios would generate revenue. As things are now, only half generate revenue.

2. Better churn metrics. These will be 5 year subscribers. They will not churn, and the churn metric will improve dramatically.

3. Everyone wins. 100 installs with the current business model gets 50 subscribers paying $12.95 per month for a total monthly revenue of $647.50. Using a general assumption of 40% revenue share, the OEM gets $259 and Sirius XM Radio (SIRI) keeps $388.50. This is virtually a month to month (consumers can churn any time) business model and means that cash flow can vary as projections become more difficult. Assuming these subs stay on for a full 5 years (they wouldn’t), the OEM will collect $15,540. Sirius XM Radio would get $23,310, and this is the best case situation with no churn.

100 installs with the new method gets 100 subscribers that in the first year generate revenue of $1295 per month. Years 2 through 5 generate $699 per month. Using the same 40% revenue share, the OEM gets $518 per month for the first year, and $279.60 per month for years 2 through 5. For the Sirius XM Radio, the first year would bring $777 per month, and years 2 through 5 would be $419.60. Over the five year period, the OEM collects $22,992, a minimum of a 48% improvement over the existing business model. For Sirius and XM the revenues are $29464.80.

4. Consumers who get used to the full lineup can upgrade the service delivering even more revenue.

5. The subscriber numbers will bolster, meaning that Sirius XM radio can charge more for advertising.

This type of business model delivers direct benefits from costs that already exist. The company invests dollars into every radio. To have radios that are not delivering revenue is a waste. If Sirius XM Radio were to establish this type of program, the bottom line would benefit on almost an immediate basis. If OEM installations were to reach 70%, there would be over 10,000,000 new subscribers per year coming out of the OEM channel instead of just 5,000,000. All of this by simply getting the OEM to build the price into the car.

Position: Long Sirius XM.

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    Good call Tyler, everyone wins if they could get this done. We need to push this idea to Mel and the boys.
    2008 Jul 31 07:32 AM | Link | Reply
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    If I had a nickle for every good Idea I've heard about going forward after this merger, It would probably erase my losses from this merger.
    2008 Jul 31 07:39 AM | Link | Reply
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    Missing some decimal points in the numbers, but the concept is dead on. Problem I see is that anything 'added' to the price of a car is tough to overcome in a down sales cycle as we are in. The idea has merit, but most likely will not happen now.
    2008 Jul 31 08:06 AM | Link | Reply
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    I think Mel will get the company in order now that the merger is closed. As he said on the Howard Stern show yesterday, he will now be able to work on the company. It's going to take time though and I trust he has the stock holders best interest in mind. Lets face it people, he doesn't need this job. He loves to succeed in business and we will benefit.
    2008 Jul 31 08:07 AM | Link | Reply
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    Why can't Sirius XM begin to run paid commercials during non-music programs?

    I notice that the radio shows that Sirius XM programs that are direct from cable or AM band all have gaps of time because they need to run paid commercials. When this happens, Sirius XM makes non-paid announcements to fill in those minutes. For example, I listen to CNBC (127) and Fox Business News (128) channels. These two programs regularly run their own paid commercials. Sirius uses this time to make non-paid announcements about their own program schedules. Since these gaps of time must be filled, why not offer commercial advertising time for which payment will be made. Sirius XM could still boast that they offer non commercial music programming and that a certain percentage of their programming is commercial free.
    2008 Jul 31 08:14 AM | Link | Reply
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    Good idia I hope mel is listening. But what would be the incentive for The highly stressed auto makers to put out more bucks in a something that would help SIRI more than the themselves.
    2008 Jul 31 08:19 AM | Link | Reply
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    What if SIRIUS XM pursued the "Used Car" Dealerships to install satrads in their vehicles? With the economy these days; the majority of people are not buying New vehicles, they are buying second hand vehicles. If Mel would go out and get the second hand marketiers and sign contracts to get them to install satellite radios in these used cars what would the revenues be?

    Just a thought.
    KaptKos
    2008 Jul 31 08:43 AM | Link | Reply
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    the problem is that the auto mfrs insist on nothing more than, say, $100 added to the price tag of the car. they're very sensitive about the optics of their customer-facing pricing. cook's made comments on this in the past...xm's been trying this in a way that maintained some semblance of balance (low-er cost for the OEM and acceptable revenue for the carrier), but haven't gotten the kinds of deal terms that enable a large-scale rollout.

    in the end, you have to make the case to the OEM that satellite radio is something that pushes a purchaser more towards one label or trim level more than another...otherwise, why inflate the costs? "if it doesn't increase the propensity to purchase, then i'll just keep the lower costs and maintain the conversion model we have today, thank you..."

    to date, the auto mfrs aren't any different than anyone else...always looking for something for nothing. the game's changed a little...with SIRI acquiring a little more muscle at the negotiating table post merge. they might now be more interested in entertaining higher bundled pricing, but we're still a ways away from bundles being the predominant subscription method in the automotive space.
    2008 Jul 31 08:48 AM | Link | Reply
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    Gee Dobie, I can't believe what your saying. Since half the consumers won't voluntarily buy a subscription, lets shove it down their throats and make them pay whether they want it or not. I'm sure the car manfacturers are dying to line up to raise the price of their cars and the monthly payments to help SiriXm radio. You're grabbing at straws to save SiriXm shareholders from the inept, incompetent, lying management teams that brought us to this sorry state. Clayton, Mel, Parsons, and Panero have got rich while the common shareholders have got the shaft. Take a good hard look at the balance sheet these idiots have created. Don't worry. SiriXM as a service will survive and prosper after the inevitable reorganization under Chapter 11 that wipes out existing holders of the common shares. If you've got money in this POS shares, sell and salvage what you can. Reinvest after the reorganization in the new shares and you might make some serious change. This baby is too far gone to survive so quit grabbing at straws. The writings on the wall, great product, shitty stock, thanks to Mel, Howie, and a host of other high level crooks that raped us all.
    2008 Jul 31 08:49 AM | Link | Reply
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    Hey Oracle, tell us how you really feel

    ;)

    2008 Jul 31 09:16 AM | Link | Reply
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    Very simple solution on the retail new car end. Most dealerships are always offering a cash back incentive, usually $2000. They drop their $2000 offer to $1500 and advertise it as $1500 cash back and FREE sat radio for 5 years.
    2008 Jul 31 09:26 AM | Link | Reply
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    Most of the new cars that are actually selling (cheaper & good on gas) have gross profit mark up of about $450-$900 dollars. Adding that much to the price will only squeeze hard pressed car dealers even more.
    Imagine the dealers point of view. Buying a $20K + vehicle from the OEM, then sitting on it for 90 days or more (paying interest after the first 21 days) then making $450 to $900 profit (if you sell it for sticker!). Adding more to the cost is not going to happen.
    2008 Jul 31 09:31 AM | Link | Reply
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    We-good idea
    2008 Jul 31 09:45 AM | Link | Reply
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    What are the chances that Mel and Co. will file chapter 11? Is this just some more negative press to scare stock holders even more?
    2008 Jul 31 09:47 AM | Link | Reply
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    $500 is too much to raise the price. $50 might fly.
    2008 Jul 31 09:52 AM | Link | Reply
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    How ridicoulous to devote a whole article on a "What if" scenario. It's as useful as an article devoted to "What if the NAB never opposed the merger in the first place?" Give us some real insight into the future (bad or good) of this company instead of wasting time with telling us what you wish they would do.
    2008 Jul 31 10:03 AM | Link | Reply
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    wait until china comes out with this service,then you can kiss sirius xm adios.
    2008 Jul 31 10:54 AM | Link | Reply
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    It is a great idea and I'd love it if it were instituted but unfortunatly auto makers aren't the sharpest tools in the shed. I worked for a top end manufacturer and logic and common sense goes right out the window.
    2008 Jul 31 10:57 AM | Link | Reply
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    I really hate to say this, but subscription based radio is always going to be a tough sell. I get cable TV and high speed Internet through that same cable. Typically I watch two hours of TV every day made up of a half hour regular news, a half hour business news and one hour of History Channel or something like that. I don't listen to radio two hours every day as my commute is short. Nevertheless I do have a subscription to XM because that is what came in the car and on longer commutes or travel it is a blessing. Many people cannot justify $10 a month for radio alone. The point that I want to make is that for auto manufacturers to embrace satrad it will have to become 100% free advertising supported. Only then will absolutely everybody in the US will demand it and auto manufacturers will make it a standard OEM device like AM-FM radio and a CD player. Some stations, say 20% or so, can remain commercial free but the others will earn their keep. This is the only way that I see satrad being the absolute gangbuster successs that we as investors have hoped and prayed for these past five years. I might be wrong, but the curent business model is sort of leaning towards my thinking. Look at AOL. It held out to the near very end before going free. One last thing, if there's a buyout of Sirius XM then I am convinced that the buyer will do exactly that. There's much more money in advertising than subscriptions could ever bring in.
    2008 Jul 31 10:59 AM | Link | Reply
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    @"decoflair"- the whole idea is to not have ANY commercials. having paid commercials on the non-music channels would defeat the purpose of what makes Satrad so great. It is like the people who say they are vegetarians but eat fish.....you are defeating the purpose.
    2008 Jul 31 11:02 AM | Link | Reply
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    think of this. if 25% of the siriusxm subscribers bought one extra sub for there friends or family, there would be 4.750 millions additions made.
    if you believe in the product, we need to help grow this. I just bought six subscription for my family and friend.
    2008 Jul 31 11:27 AM | Link | Reply
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    paul whats 10 a month I spend that at lunch in a day its well worth it to hear songs on the radio...sinces thats the point and regular radio is all ads/talk....and no music
    2008 Jul 31 11:36 AM | Link | Reply
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    People get your head out of the sand. Look at what is really happening. The stock is tanking. Today so far has dropped another 5 cents. Sure Mel gave out good news to the public ,on Howard stern. Who heard it? The people who already own STRD!!! I sold ALL my shares on Monday. This stock has been a real disappointment, owned it for two years! Save the rest of your investment get out!
    2008 Jul 31 11:38 AM | Link | Reply
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    Chapter 11-----why if you have been in for 2 years that means you bought in around 4 a share why take that loss they cant file chapter 11 for a while and they are reducing there cost and many people I know are waiting on the new system to come out and there going to buy them so were going to get a real spike in dec and were down 5 cent we were up 6 yesterday at least its starting to stablize the big firms are trying to scare you into selling so they can make more money shorting...you just fell for it and let them win and lost a lot in the prcocess at this point why take a 60% loss let it ride for a year
    2008 Jul 31 11:54 AM | Link | Reply
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    Chapter 11 if you sold all your shares monday then what the heck are you doing on a sirius blog on a Thursday? You are obviously not that altruistic and it's obvious you are hoping to buy back or buy again cheaply. Don't waste our time. This stock is down 5 cents so what? Many stocks are down on a bad day. You need think long term and since you are a gambler looking for a quick hit you should go get some help and leave us alone
    2008 Jul 31 11:55 AM | Link | Reply
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    good point dougie

    Chapter 11-its been 3 days at least give it a month to get everything in order before you flip out and sell you work for the NAB
    2008 Jul 31 12:03 PM | Link | Reply
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    Hi all. Okay, I am a small investor and went to check today and it says that XMSR isn't a listed anymore. Did the name change? How can I track my track?
    2008 Jul 31 12:29 PM | Link | Reply
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    User 235553 they took it off you now have 4.6 shars siri per 1 of xmsr
    2008 Jul 31 12:31 PM | Link | Reply
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    At first glance, this sounds like a great idea. But the problem is, $10 or not, its a subscription fee, and theres something intrinsically abrasive about that term. Consumers see it as just another bill at the end of the month. Which is why adding it into the auto price seems to be so appealing. But what about customers that just don't really care that much about radio? Or the mass amounts of people buying used cars instead of new? There are a lot of pieces here that still need to be figured out. Subscription revenue can be tricky, which is why I think advertising could be a viable, more concrete option as well. Regardless, SIRI is down again today and sentiment is falling with it (predictwallstreet.com/...). Shareholders are tired of watching the SIRI/XM battle with minimal rewards and just want out at this point. I wanted to be optimistic about this merge, but nothing has lead me to believe so.
    2008 Jul 31 12:49 PM | Link | Reply
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    Sounds great but won't work. Car company A (with satrad) becomes 500 more expensive than car company B (without satrad) . The Value Proposition must be made, and hasn't been.

    I propose a split format of advertised radio with pay-for.
    2008 Jul 31 12:57 PM | Link | Reply
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    well the systems have been installed in new cars for last couple years so those used cars have the system in there if its all across the board with all cars witch it is almost the consumer would have a choice....but honestly i cant see this happening forcing people to buy it
    2008 Jul 31 01:03 PM | Link | Reply
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    Damn, NanG, where the hell have you been? LOL
    2008 Jul 31 01:12 PM | Link | Reply
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    I have to concur with Oracle, as this writer is the only other one besides myself who is giving these companies a healthy skeptical and realistic look.

    Mr. Savery's proposal of building five year subscriptions into the price of the car demonstrates a profound level of ignorance of the realities of manufacturing, economics, and politics. Make the vehicle owner buy the service whether they want it or not? Great idea, let's shove the product down their throats since they won't buy it themselves.

    Given the fact that automakers have precious little pricing power to begin with, The Vicar sees this proposal as DOA. Besides, even if this ill-conceived proposal were placed on the table, it would cause a clamor among all other suppliers to the auto companies for price hikes on their own components. Read your Econ 101 textbook Mr. Savery. Your disservice to readers continues with the prolific nonsense that emanates from your column.
    2008 Jul 31 01:15 PM | Link | Reply
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    Tyler once again I want to commend you for your consistent excellent articles on Sirius now a merged SiriusXM company. All investors of now SirusXM will in my opinion see their lengthly patience rewarded as time will only tell.
    2008 Jul 31 01:28 PM | Link | Reply
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    What the hell does ford, gm, and the rest care if sirius survives. They are not going to raise the price of a car $500 and thereby become less competitive just because you own the stock. Get real.
    2008 Jul 31 02:32 PM | Link | Reply
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    It appears to me all of us are just guessing whats going to happen next, the market is so crazy no one can make heads or tails of it. Case and point Exxon reports hugh profits and the stock is off 2.78-whats up with that?
    2008 Jul 31 02:35 PM | Link | Reply
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    exxon was short of expectations - they were predicted to do even better...
    2008 Jul 31 02:38 PM | Link | Reply
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    Ok so we were told there was going to be a bounce when the merger was approved. There was no bounce, SIRI went to $2.75 and that was it! Now we are being told that patience is a virtue and we should just wait. I ask, wait for what? We have been terribly deceived as shareholders in all of this by Mel, Jim Cramer, and the FCC (who knew they would tack on a $19 million fine after a 500 day delay)? I still own some shares, when will this thing go to $3-$4 per share? Will it go that high ever or will the mountain of debt crush this whole thing to nothing? Its amazing how the mood of these blogs has chanced from such optimism before the merger to more doom and wait another year or 2 gloom.
    2008 Jul 31 03:02 PM | Link | Reply
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    Have enjoyed the ongoing discussion re Sirius/XM. Sold a small position in Sirius long ago, but have remained a subscriber. I am willing to pay $13.00/mo. to listen to good music with no stinking commercials. Terrestial radio is a dying model exactly because 30% of air time is ads, and because there is no incentive to reach smaller audiences (classical, ambient, reggae, jazz, etc. etc.) I am getting so allergic to commercials that I am considering dropping my support for NPR affiliates because of the tin-cup rattling and "sponsorshipts", which sound a lot like a commercial to me.
    2008 Jul 31 03:40 PM | Link | Reply
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    It's funny,you don't read any comments from cost100 and is partener with some type of meaningless #.The guy from Goldman sachs was right and also the people who wrote pessimistic opinion on this merger.
    When a merger is going to be announced there is always a pop.But this one never had legs.It's like in baseball when you know that a fast ball is coming to you,you get ready for that pitch and drill it out of the ball park.But this one had a sinker and the only people who seen it ,are the one who understood the situation.And I'm so glad I sold my 3790 shares at 2.70 before the merger was announced.Made about 150.00 profit in my 6 long months of waiting.When we all knew tate was going to say yes and there was no significant pop.I knew this was a sinker too.THANK GOOD.....
    2008 Jul 31 03:44 PM | Link | Reply
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    Timing is everything for stocks, nothing else really matters. I can only say that Cramer had us sucker into this with his comment several months ago being a positive thing we they merged. Then in less then one day of merger, Cramer went the opposite way and talked down on the stock. Anyway, I believe many of his friends new what he would say ahead of his show and made "Mad Money"
    2008 Jul 31 03:55 PM | Link | Reply
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    cos100 and 163888 know thier stuff
    2008 Jul 31 04:06 PM | Link | Reply
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    Well I am just wondering, where do we go from here? For those of us that still NEED a pop, and are now being told there may never be one for several years, if the company still exists with this mountain of debt, what is there left to do with the existing shares we still own?
    2008 Jul 31 04:07 PM | Link | Reply
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    I think Mel and his team should be cutting deals with cell phone manufacturers and wireless companies. What if you could get SiriXM added to your cell phone service ala carte for $6.99 a month? Wasn't there an article on the web not too long ago about how they were able to get Sirius on an iPhone?
    2008 Jul 31 04:09 PM | Link | Reply
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    Good news! stock held up pretty well consider the market was down 200 pts. Maybe this is the turning point!
    2008 Jul 31 04:14 PM | Link | Reply
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    A lot of peole write what Mel should be doing. To those of you, how do yo know he is not doing what you think he should be doing. The people who are true long Sirius shareholders are COUNTING on Mel. If you are DOUBTING Mel, sell your shares. WHY would you own a stock where your doubt its leadership.
    2008 Jul 31 04:40 PM | Link | Reply
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    chicago gary, Well I did stay off this article because I dont like to show that I agree with certain people on this article. I said this a Sirius Buzz:

    July 30th, 2008 at 11:37 pm, john Says:

    I just have one problem Tyler, you just increased the car by 500 dollars that is not a concept that the OEMs are going to be to keen on. They are already giving rebates and lowering the prices to sell them now. While I dont think the down turn will last, I do think it is going to be hard to try and get the OEMs to tack on another 500 dollars. It would most likely work for the higher priced models but SIRIXM, most likely would get those people anyway. I just saw an article several months ago about how they were taking out extras that were standard like ash trays, lighters, cup holders, and others to bring down the price of the car. Now I also am aware of the NY Times, article that extras are in more of a demand in the smaller cars. But those are not things that are just standard people are asking for them. I some how think it is going to be a more difficult row to hoe trying to get the OEMs to add 500 dollars to the price of a car. There is the other problem of competetion. I dont think GM is going to want to add 500 dollars to a car that is competing with a simular Toyota model and price. Unless both are willing to do it for those models. Do you see what I am saying or do you have any ideas to get around these problems.


    Now I know that the OEMs make alot of money off this idea. I just think the OEMs are going to, want to make a little more off it before they go this way.

    RReagan, while I thought it would go up to at most 3.8 to 4. I also said that there would be no short sqeeze just as Tyler has said. I also said that it would go back down to 3 to 3.5 and be there for some time, till at least the end of 2009 then it would be at 4.5 to 5 and by the end of the next year (2010) it would be around 10. I and cos1000 and some others never said that it was going to go that far that fast. I also told people that said it would go up big, that they were crazy. While I did expect a small pop That was not to far out of the park. Considering that has been what has happen almost everytime a merger such as this, that will save the combined companies major cash. Then again while I knew that the financing had to be done and that was not going to be pretty in this market. I did not expect almost all of the articles to get the SIRI part of the financing wrong. While I have seen some get it right and some corrections the damage was done. Cramer also was a surprise For him to do a total reversal in a month and a half as he did also did not help. (if I did not know better it looked like Cramer asked Mel to do his show and Mel said no.) All the problems that he used to say why he changed his mind, were there from the start or at least of them were. They were at least all there 2 months ago (hell 6 months ago).

    So the thing that has not changed is there are going to be major sinergies. Look at SIRI last two quarters, most of the revenue gos to the bottum line, the cost for the most part have stayed the same or come down. Content cost will go down even more now. The only reason XMSR had a few bad quarters was because of capex, that is gone for them. SIRI is going to launch one in 2009 but pushed the 2010 launch back to 2015 now that is 60 million a year savings on that satellite alone. (900 million divided by 15 year life span).

    I wrote this before:

    Going into a little different direction. I will agree O&A will be offered something to stay, lets not forget they were supposed to be the direct competetion to SIRI and Stern. I believe that many forget that while the codec's are different it would not be that hard to put Stern on XMs codec. I think there is no reason they will not start to cut many things that each did to compete with the other. As an example Martha Stewert and Oprea. You dont need both, or Barbra Walters you absolutly dont need all 3 espeacially when the company now has access to all of it but cant give it to all their customers (13 channels is only so much). I think at least until the interoperable radios are totally out (up to 6 or 7 years) we will see many cuts of double content and a copy run on the other codec. We know there are things such as simul cast that exist.



    2008 Jul 31 04:50 PM | Link | Reply
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    Relax............ the Big Blue Dog knows the way.............. Follow the Dog.
    2008 Jul 31 04:53 PM | Link | Reply
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    I am counting on Mel also. Putting SiriXM on cell phones is just another idea I hope Sirius XM is considering for the near future.
    2008 Jul 31 04:53 PM | Link | Reply
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    Rawblurt.......C0s1000... and 163888, in their history, have never had meaningless numbers......however, that said, if you do not have the stomach for the long term hold, you probably should sell. Fear is not a good thing in this market. It will surely cloud your vision as evidenced. Good Luck. Long........ the Big Blue Dog.
    2008 Jul 31 05:06 PM | Link | Reply
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    How about a special deal for prison inmates? Millions of people, a captive audience, with nothing to do all day but keep up to date on current affairs and music.
    2008 Jul 31 05:14 PM | Link | Reply
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    Okay..Okay.., I'm right here, I do have a life outside seeking alpha as I'm sure you all do. My opinion hasn't changed on this stock or company, but I don't know how many times I can say the same thing over and over again. I posted on Saturday that I really don't care what the stock price does over the next two weeks or two months. I'm not a short term trader, although while waiting for the merger I did play the channel to add to my shares. I also posted prior to the merger that I had stopped playing the channel because I was very satisfied with my position, dollar cost averaging down, while the stock went down. I am also very excited about the future of Sirius XM Radio and will not sell any shares unless the stock climbs to quickly.

    I hesitate to comment on Tyler's idea because of the down turn in the auto manufacturing sector. Pricing power with auto makers is non existent and and the reaction by open access manufacturers for price gouging is to tempting when buried in the price of the car. Simply put their are to many variables to be able to say this is the future business model that will work. It's a good idea untested, and without feedback from the OEM's. So I have abstained from much of a view.

    Rawblurt, I am so glad you sold your shares and made some money. Only someone with your foresight in "seeing" ability could of called that refinancing the way you did to make $150. Mel is the only one that was smart enough to do it so that my new company will have a stronger balance sheet in the future by lower financing costs for our newly acquired asset XM. I know its painful now but as I said, I really don't care about stock price for the next two weeks to two months. But I am glad you out.

    hair pie LoL in typing the name again. This article was on Sirius Buzz yesterday, as are all of Tyler's articles. With time being what it has for me lately I have been posting on SiriusBuzz.com rather than here. My position has not changed and I am very much looking forward to 3rd quarter numbers, the Fall Retail line up, and a great 4th quarter execution of the companies marketing plan, which I know has not been release yet.

    Everyone forgets that Mel has just gotten access to XM's books, contracts, and employees and Talent. O & A have 62 days left in their contract, a full evaluation of duplicative channel programming which is wasting Spectrum must be performed. Consolidating talent on those channels that remain for each genre, will open up Spectrum for "The Best of Both" offerings in two months for an addition $4 for existing subscribers. There is so much happening to solidify the Merger Operationally, that its hard for the company, 3 DAYS SINCE THE DEAL WAS INKED, to give us all the details.


    2008 Jul 31 06:15 PM | Link | Reply
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    I am new to blog, however if all stockholder subscribe to siri now that the merger is done would that help the stock. I ask because I own 15k of sirus and do not own an subscription. Maybe there are others like me out there, just a thought.
    2008 Jul 31 06:21 PM | Link | Reply
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    163888 Sorry, how's it going ? I see you and others are trying to hold the fort down while VicBlah, blah, blahDave and others try to take the stock down further.

    2008 Jul 31 06:25 PM | Link | Reply
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    I think we all share holders should not react too quickly when someone downgrade the stock because it's been proven that they are not always correct. They have their own interest one way or another and I'm sure money are being made for their friends and family. If we sell into their comments, then they accomplished their objective.
    2008 Jul 31 06:29 PM | Link | Reply
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    On Gino Laterno's article I posted this on Tuesday:

    Saturday, 7/26/08, I wrote the post bellow. I want to say that the first line to me is still the most important and sometimes most difficult to remember. Here's what I know now that I didn't now then.

    1. Sirius didn't close the deal over the weekend because they had financing issues to work out and probably new NAB wasn't running to file an injunction.

    2. XM's shares are still trading and Sirius sold shares in it's assisting of XM Note offering that includes an Arbitrage play that has shares being shorted to lock in the share purchasers profits. Minds greater than mine have tried to explain this "dilutive" offering of colarateral shares of Sirius to XM's Notes, so I'm not going into it here. I know it puts a lot of downward pressure on Sirius shares until their sold, and helps XM get a better cost in their Note Offering. This was planned by Management and not Announced until Monday. Long term its good for the merged company and sucks for common stock share holders in the "short" term. (PUN INTENDED)

    3. The Market in General took a bath on Monday and Cramer pulled a "JUDAS" act on Sirius, stating that it was like playing a $2.00 Lottery ticket. Oh which way is the wind blowing today Mr. Cramer.

    This is why my first statement below turns out to be the most important and the rest will follow when the Sh*t gets better defined.

    Pop or Drop on Monday?

    Not that I think what happens to the stock is all that important in the next two weeks, but I know a lot of folks do. The stock can only move up. Why would you dump shares now? That happened last week. A little patience even in the short run will get us to 2.90- 3.10, an old technical channel (4 -6 months ago). Then the company will let out the PR dogs, retaliate against legal issues (because now they can), give meaningful future guidance, introduce new products and details on what you'll be able to do with existing equipment, and report good third quarter "retail" results because of all the pent up demand. The fourth quarter will be all about Inter-Operable Radios and "Where can I get One?". I would not be surprised to see 4.65 - 5.25 by the end of the year. For those wanting to get out you'll probably get 3.72 -3.90 (roughly 2 x the 1
    1.86 - 1.95 low recently set) in mid November. Just my opinion, patience here will be nicely rewarded. For those who have been in for a long time you don't need anyone to tell you that now is not the time to be Weak-In-The Knees.
    2008 Jul 31 06:32 PM | Link | Reply
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    killerkaul, how easy these folks give up hope. If we had gotten the pop like they bet on we wouldn't be hearing from them now. I don't recall 163888, you or myself saying we were in this for a PoP or that there would be one. My forecast has always said and I still know that success of the stock price will now follow the success of the company's execution of operating plans. As much as we can speculate on the business model, I have invested in Mel Karmazin and his expertise to lead the Blue Dog to positive cash flow, now sooner than later, and profitability. My theme has always been that now the merger is over its time to Execute, Execute, and the Execute and deliver great, beat expectation numbers in the future. So thanks for the support and I'll be back in the morning.
    2008 Jul 31 06:43 PM | Link | Reply
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    cos1000, Vic who????

    Its going good, I saw you over there at Sirius Buzz and was going to ask why you were posting there only. But it was not that important.

    Oh its not that hard to hold anything.

    You are right though because if it did pop then we would not be dealing with this because they would have sold and been gone. So excuse me for not caring if they feel they got screwed because I dont. I cannot count the times I have told people that there was not going to be some big pop and that 3.8 (and that was when it was trading at 2.6 and 3.2 like 4 months ago) is what I would expect. Hell how many post did I do, debating people, that time I said there would be no short sqeeze, 4 months ago. They were saying it would go to 5, 6, 7, and 8, I said noway 3.8. The reason is (as you recall) that is what it got to after the DOJ approval. I have not change a thing since then I still think 3.8 is what it will get to it will just take longer but dont expext it to go higher until at least the interoperable radios are out. That as I have said many times will be the big driver of subs. That will take around 9 months, I some how think Mel will get them out sooner (just a feeling).

    2008 Jul 31 07:19 PM | Link | Reply
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    Be prepared for the takeover. SiriusXM is changing the face of car entertainment. Anyone that has a decent jobis going to request SiriusXM. Not just for music either. You've got Navi with real time traffic and now weather as well. Don't forget about how many XM subs want howard and a buch of sirius channels for just four bucks a month. Give me a break if you think people aren't going to subscribe to this. The reason the dealers would want to put it in the price is cause the equipment is already in the car just like you pay for all other equipment. And lets not forget TV which will for sure explode on the scene. How many ways can this really take off. Home recievers need to be improved along with the hand held stilleto. Pioneer is already producing a sick hand held said to be better than the IPOD. So yeaH we got blind sided, terrorized and Cramer had commited a suicide terror attack cause that day Cramer Died to me! I can't wait to laugh at all you bitch bastards. Do you really think that anyone on this board have as much intrest in siriXM doing good as MEL or HOWARD. We have peanuts in the stock. Howard has 39 million shares. Mel has official made siriXM a major concern to Howard cause if the shares go up so does his wealth.

    LONG WAY LONG
    2008 Jul 31 07:46 PM | Link | Reply
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    163888, Its nice to read a breath of "Fresh Air". I don't really think that's possible, but anytime I hear "common sense" regarding this company I am relieved. You have been consistent and measured in your approach and, for me, your understanding of the numbers and the milestones that must be reached operationally has made understanding the company easier. (beyond the SEC filings) The problem I'm having in discussing the company's future right now is that Management is focussed internally, as they should be. They need to see where XM is, the contracts for talent specifics, the consolidating of metrics, the "consolidating of employee functions" (synergies), and then develop the marketing plan moving forward with what will be the known realities. Everyone is trying to measure where the company will be, base on where they've been. That's not going to be the way it turns out. I know the surprises in future revenue streams will take this company out of everyone's current thinking, but patience as an investor is what will be rewarded.
    2008 Jul 31 08:08 PM | Link | Reply
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    Focus on retail user is also very important. The optimism may be noted that software has been developed to integrate SIRI Sat Radio with iPhone.

    What if the integration in announced officially. Once retail users get used to it then sky is the limit for growth. Think about "Top Christmas Gift" for 2008 "iPhone with SAT Radio"
    2008 Jul 31 08:19 PM | Link | Reply
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    i think it would be a great idea to have sponsors for the music channels. Let say like sport stadiums. Let say Homedepot sponsoring one or all the country channels. It only takes 5 seconds to mention who sponsors the channel. It could even be done every ten songs and it could also show on the radio's face or screen. No company would pass on 20 million potential target audiance
    2008 Jul 31 09:42 PM | Link | Reply
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    i also think sirius should come up with more ethnic channels like an all jewish channels, all mexican channel.
    2008 Jul 31 09:44 PM | Link | Reply
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    I think Sirius should come up with sponsors for the music channels. Lets say, homedepot sponsors country music channel.
    2008 Jul 31 09:46 PM | Link | Reply
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    cos1000, you give me to much credit it is just common sense.

    I do understand why Mel has not come out, with to much yet. I should have known better also. I gave it as one of the reasons that Mel low balled the 400 million, which was he has not been able to see the internal workings of XMSR yet.
    2008 Jul 31 10:11 PM | Link | Reply
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    pain, long long long time no read. What the hell happen to you.
    2008 Jul 31 10:12 PM | Link | Reply
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    P.S. cos1000, and chicago gary, you see that DSX .91 cent dividend. Yea gotta love that.
    2008 Jul 31 10:28 PM | Link | Reply
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    Tyler your idea's pretty good , but a 3 year subscription might be more feasible than a 5 year .....a little cheaper , but still gets results
    2008 Aug 01 12:19 AM | Link | Reply
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    cos1000, and 163888.......... Do you have any thoughts on a takeover from some major company or buyout at this time?............... based on the fact of recent developments, or just plain......... low low share price vs true future value of this company? Odds?
    2008 Aug 01 12:42 AM | Link | Reply
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    What will SIRI do with the additional satalites from XM? This should be able to generate some cash for SIRI.
    2008 Aug 01 06:19 AM | Link | Reply
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    killerkaul, I have no idea on that, except you would have to wait at least a year before anything like that happen, IMO. I can tell you, I would vote against it if it did come up. I did not what this long to have what I consider might be a 40 bagger at this point to see that all go away, for a quick few bucks considering.
    2008 Aug 01 11:56 AM | Link | Reply
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    The additional price equating to additional years of service would be palatable to the public, providing that the service was offered at a discount. Tying the churn rate into the equation, a profitable model can be achieved. The automotive industry is looking for way to add value to vehicles. This very well could be a successful model. The addition of a potential "PREFFERED" trim package offered by the Auto companies has promise for both the car companies as well as SiriXM. I was in for a small amount prior to the merger, decided to up the % of my portfolio. This drastic drop in price gave me an opportunity to drop my average in price in half!


    Where's my dog whistle.
    2008 Aug 01 04:47 PM | Link | Reply
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    That was also my thinking........I'm worried that at this low price it would be cheap for companies with deep pockets,................. and that the majority of shareholders would vote... for the quick money, coupled with the fear factor.........
    2008 Aug 01 05:27 PM | Link | Reply
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    It so funny when I am reading all your comments, all what I see is the words "I think..."
    We need to stop thinking guys because more we think more the stock is going lower and lower.... $1.46 after hours something to think about with a Volume: 139,365,914.
    I decided to add also my thoughts about this stock is going to be under a dollar within next couple of weeks, then Mel going to come out and reverse split the crap out of it soemthing like 1 to every 100 of your shares and you are going to see your dream shathered in front of you. Because short seller will go after it again and again to get richer and richer.

    Well that is my thinking.
    2008 Aug 01 07:24 PM | Link | Reply
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    It so funny when I am reading all your comments, all what I see is the words "I think..."
    We need to stop thinking guys because more we think more the stock is going lower and lower.... $1.46 after hours something to think about with a Volume: 139,365,914.
    I decided to add also my thoughts about this stock is going to be under a dollar within next couple of weeks, then Mel going to come out and reverse split the crap out of it soemthing like 1 to every 100 of your shares and you are going to see your dream shathered in front of you. Because short seller will go after it again and again to get richer and richer.

    Well that is my thinking.
    2008 Aug 01 07:25 PM | Link | Reply
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    Gee - Pump this stock forever. Forget reality

    You want to trust Sirius as honest.

    How has this investment worked out for the loyal investors ?

    Sirius loves your money. Buy more shares.
    Never admit a mistake. Just buy more SIRI.
    $ 1.46 tells a story
    2008 Aug 02 04:26 PM | Link | Reply
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    SIRI is growing

    Radio Uganda will be huge.

    Sports is also great
    I love listening to SKI RACING on the radio.

    NEVER SAY A BAD WORD ABOUT SIRIUS.
    Siri has made millions. For Mel and Howard.

    Didnt Cramer pump this stock $5 on the Merger Approval ?
    Mel was smart to NOT tell anyone about the planed dilution.
    Retail investor might have sold, BEFORE it crashed.

    $1.46

    Siri investors are rich
    Do not sell your stock - Hold all the way to zero
    2008 Aug 02 04:31 PM | Link | Reply
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    cos1000 and 163888 you mock me with your "blah" comments because you are bitter and vindictive that I am more articulate and better informed than both of you.
    2008 Aug 02 06:39 PM | Link | Reply
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    Any market analyst will tell you that a reverse split is the kiss of death for any upside in the stock. It is almost always associated with persistent poor performance going forward.

    A reverse split is simply an open admission from management that the underlying business is so profit-depraved that the only way to increase the stock price is through artificially-imposed financial engineering measures. If the business has real, tangible profit potential, it doesn not require a reverse split to make the stock price appreciate. I run, rather than walk away, from the stock of companies engaged in reverse splits.

    A reverse split is just one more symptom of the poor performance prospects SIRI has as an investment. Best case scenario, it lures more sucker individual investors to buy more of a penny-stock because it creates the appearance of appreciation.

    Successful, profitable companies buy back their shares. They don't execute reverse splits.

    Before you excoriate me for saying the obvious, ask yourselves this question: If all of you are such successful investors, then why aren't you rich?
    2008 Aug 02 06:40 PM | Link | Reply
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    stop thinking and promote the service with friends and not so friends. lets make it a 30 millions subscribers by years end......I have given away 7 radios to friends and family. They love it and continue paying 6.99 for subscription
    2008 Aug 02 09:45 PM | Link | Reply
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    people people promote the service and stop spending so much useless time on the stock price.
    2008 Aug 02 09:48 PM | Link | Reply
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    I read your post and i run to the bathroom. You make me sick. Shut up, buy the stock hold on to it and wait till sellers run out. I am buying every week. And now with this price I am loading up. Concentrate on preomoting the service and bequiet.
    2008 Aug 02 09:52 PM | Link | Reply
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    marcopolodecuba at yahoo is my email. Now I dont want to hear one more word from you pessimistic people.
    2008 Aug 02 09:53 PM | Link | Reply