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It seems that satellite radio can not let a day pass without speculation or someone reading more into a statement than is really there. Wednesday on CNBC, Mel Karmazin spoke with David Faber in a brief interview that discussed in general terms the closing of the merger, and where the company is headed.

Mel stated many things that people seem to have overlooked, because at the end of the interview, Faber inquired as to whether the company would conduct a reverse split. Mel’s statement that the cash flow of the company is how it is run fell on deaf ears. The fact that $2.2 billion in revenues have been generated over the past 12 months, or that aside from a satellite launch in 2009 the company would be in positive territory in 2009, might as well have been stated in a foreign language, because all everyone wants to talk about is a reverse split. Even Motley Fool wrote about it with a headline that was sure to generate some clicks for their website.

The reason some seem to want a reverse split is so that they can get the stock price to what they feel is a more respectable level. The function of the split does nothing more than bring down the amount of shares by way of increasing the value of those shares. If an equity trading at $1.60 were to do a 4 to 1 reverse split, the number of outstanding shares would be divided by 4, and the price multiplied by 4. In theory the event is neutral, but perception also matters. Most reverse splits are not seen as a good thing. It is a move that companies sometimes use as a last resort to make their shares more attractive.

If, and that is a big if, Sirius XM Radio (SIRI) were to consider such a move, now would be about the best time to do it. Some argue that certain institutional buyers and funds cannot buy stocks below $5.00. Obviously, in its current situation, Sirius XM is below that price. If this were a major concern, then there could be some benefit to using a reverse split to facilitate allowing those institutions to invest. However, if the buying pressure does not exist now, then what makes anyone think that simply getting the price above $5.00 would add an influx of buyers that would be material enough to make the process worthwhile? From a market cap perspective, the reverse split accomplishes nothing.

Mel, when asked if he would entertain the idea of a reverse split, gave the only answer he could. “We are considering all options,” and somehow, that statement became the topic du jour. Personally I care less about the reverse split than I do the $400 million in synergies, the $2.2 billion in revenue, the converts due in 2009, the cash flow, the fact that Sirius XM is the second largest revenue generating media company, and the fact that metrics will scale better with the merger.

Talk about reverse splits all you want, but it will not get you anywhere fast. Investors should look at the metrics, the guidance, and what the potential of SDARS is rather than worrying about a comment on a stock split that does not change the market cap.

Position - Long Sirius XM.

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    it sucks that at least in the short term the Goldman Sachs price target is about right on.... im in for the long term though.
    2008 Jul 31 10:17 PM | Link | Reply
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    omagod500, I agree, I thought when the stock got to 1.86 before the merge that we were at his target. the price fimed up and then went over 2.00 and then 2.70 and I thought we were home free. then the XM debt share dilution on Monday, and now the momentum or lack of is frustrating but I believe it to short lived (sideways for about 2 weeks - 2 months). With no short money to be made, wouldn't it be interesting to see Weinkes, GS come out and target the stock at 2.90 -3.10 after guidance and 2nd quarter reporting.
    2008 Jul 31 11:08 PM | Link | Reply
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    I suspect a reverse split will happen , and really it's no big deal , you still have the same amount of money invested .....a 1 for 2 gives you half as many shares worth twice as much .....no biggy ....and it would help the marginers ......the ONLY downside to a reverse split , is that is provides more cushion on the downside ......so the bottom line IF they ( and I suspect they will ) do a reverse split , is WHY ......to get respectable ????? or to cushion the bottom ?????? That is the question .....but all in all it will be a bumpy few weeks .....but things will get better ( they already have I think ) and pretty soon siri will climb ....especially if this damn economy could get out of the mud ....we should be building 3 or 4 nuclear power plants by now , creating some jobs , and giving people some hope that we will get energy manageable ....Washington talks and talks and talks , and hell we're still waitin' for ANY action ......Exxon could build one nuclear reactor a year and wouldn't even miss the money ( sort of an exaggeration but trying to make a point ) ......If people feel better about the economy and life in general , they will buy things like satrad ....right now people are buckling down and spending mostly on necessities ....oh , and beer
    2008 Jul 31 11:54 PM | Link | Reply
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    CNXT a few weeks ago did a 10-1 reverse split ....the stock WAS @ like .48 a share , after the R split 4.80 per share .....no change in actual value ......but it has gone down to 4.50 last week ......(so that is the only problem with a reverse split , it cushions the bottom) but it does give the stock a more respectable price .......but a reverse split at the time of the split will NOT devalue your holdings ....it is simply LESS shares at an equally HIGHER price ....your actual stock value will not change , so it is nothing to get upset about right now ....but of course we would rather see siri go to 4 without having to R-split .....that would be much better !!!!!!!! and I really think siri , just like everything else is dependant upon our economic situation here .....once this nation figures out how to get more energy and money flowing into this country a lot of things will get better ....unfortunately our leaders are on vacation !!!!!!!


    On Jul 31 12:52 PM EK wrote:

    > Please show me an example of a Reverse Split. Do the shares increase
    > in value or decrease? I have a couple of other stocks that have done
    > Reverse splits but the value of the stock didn't change, I just lost
    > a lot of shares for that company. I don't understand how or why the
    > SEC allows this to happen.
    2008 Aug 01 10:58 AM | Link | Reply
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    Right now is an awesome time to improve your position or buy straight at a bargain price for this stock. analysts nor public traders know where this thing is going. i see only a positive direction for this stock as it stands right now. i think this stock will make some huge leaps over the next 2-5 years that will be worth it to all the long haulers and hopefully send a few shorts to the bathroom a few times for a quick vomit. i say hang in there and buy now to improve your position. but what do i know.
    2008 Aug 01 01:08 PM | Link | Reply
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    also reverse splits help you in a marginable situation or can improve your margin purchasing power if you have it. in my institution, when a stock drops below $2 it has no marginable value so if not careful you can get stuck in a margin call. At $4 a share or more it rises above a penny stock status and the marginable percentage goes to 50% and so on. i think a reverse split may be a good thing as stock dilution is also on everyones mind here and at reporting time the numbers look alot smaller when you have 1.5billion shares out there.
    2008 Aug 01 01:15 PM | Link | Reply
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    Other than protecting those shareholders on margin, a reverse spit shows weakness in company management and will further erode common shareholder equity at this time. Show me more than one out of 10 companies that did a reverse split where the "shorts" didn't take advantage. A "cushion" at the bottom is an opportunity for shorts making more profit.
    2008 Aug 01 01:22 PM | Link | Reply
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    correction...."Freud Lives" I equated a "Revers Split" with a reverse "Spit"
    2008 Aug 01 01:23 PM | Link | Reply
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    connorport - I don't know "what you know" but I am hoping you are a genius !!!!!!! or at least a fortune teller !!!!!!! I am definately going to stay in , there's no sense in bailing out for me now .......and so the ONLY thing I am worried about is a bankruptcy ......I don't care if it takes 5 years to pop , as long as it pops !!!!!!! ( well that's not completely true , I am getting tired of waiting ) but I can tell you if siri is at 7 in 5 years I will be plenty happy with that ......right now I am not greedy , just want to get out of the quicksand .....I think my average is probably @ 5 per share ....so hell I'll take that !!!!!! I will say this , if there is any really good revenue reported in the future , and if retail sales pick up ....we will be in very good shape .......and one thing I have noticed - EVERYONE I know that has satrad loves it ......I don't have it , but I have NEVER heard someone say they did not like it ......EVERYONE , 100% , has said they love it ......
    2008 Aug 01 02:14 PM | Link | Reply
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    yes cos ....I do not like a reverse split ...it's not a good sign to me ....but I didn't want to come out and say that ........you mentioned the "cushion" I spoke of earlier , so I assume you were commenting on that in your post Aug 1 , 01:22 PM ( pardon me if i am incorrect in that assumption ) ......and we could see the stock stay this way until some kind of good news ( truly good news ) comes around ....I am sure we all know that by now ....lower costs , increased revenues , and even maybe just the whole economy getting a little better will help a lot ....hope so .....it's do or die for me now , I refuse to sell at a buck fifty out of fear
    2008 Aug 01 02:31 PM | Link | Reply
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    Any market analyst will tell you that a reverse split is the kiss of death for any upside in the stock. It is almost always associated with persistent poor performance going forward.

    A reverse split is simply an open admission from management that the underlying business is so profit-depraved that the only way to increase the stock price is through artificially-imposed financial engineering measures. If the business has real, tangible profit potential, it doesn not require a reverse split to make the stock price appreciate. I run, rather than walk away, from the stock of companies engaged in reverse splits.

    A reverse split is just one more symptom of the poor performance prospects SIRI has as an investment. Best case scenario, it lures more sucker individual investors to buy more of a penny-stock because it creates the appearance of appreciation.

    Successful, profitable companies buy back their shares. They don't execute reverse splits.

    Before you excoriate me for saying the obvious, ask yourselves this question: If all of you are such successful investors, then why aren't you rich?
    2008 Aug 01 07:00 PM | Link | Reply
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    All the bulls on this stock will keep whistling all the way to the executioner's chair because it's too painful for them to admit the obvious, that there is no more upside to this stock. They're flogging a dead horse.

    Satrad: Great idea, bad investment. By diluting the common shareholders by 17% this week, management sent a powerful signal that it's writing off the common shareholders so it can keep the bondholders watered and fed. That's the plan, guys. Why would you want to own the common with such a small chance for only modest upside, when you can get paid 6% just to hold the convertibles?

    Professional portfolio managers won't touch this stock with other peoples' money. Why in the world would you buy it with your own hard-earned dollars?

    There's a reason why individual investors are money-losing one-trick ponies. Like those who perished on the Titanic, they reassure themselves that everything will be okay even as the water gushes through the cracks in the walls, because it's easier to fantasize about victory than to admit the reality of real, money-losing defeat. I feel sorry for all of you. Oh, have a good weekend.
    2008 Aug 01 07:01 PM | Link | Reply
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    yes vicar I know a reverse split is not good , but it is not the kiss of death .....vicar there is no doubt that siri is in the mud ....however , ALL speculation whether good or bad is just that ...speculation .....you might very well be right , and then again maybe not ....you seem like a smart guy to me , but I know you do NOT have a crystal ball ....and neither does anyone else .....we are ALL doing a lot of guessing , even educated guessing ...but the bottom line is that right now , after 18 months of BS FCC footdragging , and an economy where no one is wanting to spend on anything except necessities ....siri and a lot of companies are hurting right now .....I can just about guarantee that if oil goes down to 100 bucks a barrel ( doubtful I know ) , this whole scenario changes ....the whole country is on spending hold right now ....and these dufus stimulus checks are NOT the solution .....but I digress ........anyway your negative posts do not bother me , I am not afraid of opposing views , and for whatever reason , you have the right to post what you want ......you might be right .........but hell I hope not !!!!!!!! hahahahahahhaha .....I am pretty tied up in this mess , and I just refuse to sell @1.50 ...........if it would get to around 4.50 , I will be fine ........I know , don't hold my breath .......all I ask is for this not to end up an Enron ordeal , and to be honest , I am not sure this country can handle another debacle like that .....people are already pissed enough right now , and the press would be all over it , with FCC/NAB the focal point , along with Wall Street lenders , and CEOs .....it could definately open a massive can of worms ..........and since there is not yet a R-split , then thus far it is a mute point .....but we will see ......by Christmas , the future will be clearer on this situation ......at least a little ......I suspect this will take some time .....turning a profit is absolutely crucial somewhere along the road in the next 12 months in my opinion
    2008 Aug 01 11:11 PM | Link | Reply
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    With open standards, does anyone think there will be an aftermarket auto radio or home head unit on the shelf very soon that is not Sirius capable? Hell no, it would be like finding a head unit today without Dolby sound options built into it. You'd haev a better chance of finding the Holy Grail.

    Hand in there, subscribers are going to double in the next 2 years.
    2008 Aug 02 09:16 AM | Link | Reply
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    muley101 - I know my cousin listens to siri on the satellite TV constantly ......I personally don't have satellite TV or radio , but she has it in her car , and at home , and she loves it .....me personally , I just don't watch TV or listen to radio enough to justify paying for it .......but I have a feeling EVERYONE will soon be paying for TV , and probably radio too in the not too distant future .....it will just be the business model .......in the world to come , NOTHING will be free ....those days are over ..........hell , even drinking water is for sale nowdays , and toll roads everywhere .....and what gets me is that you pay for satellite TV , yet STILL have commercials !!!!!!!!!!! Just like the internet , it's getting where you have to pay to do anything ......so , I am thinking satrad is going to be the radio of the future .....but the big question is , will it be siri ???? and will we still own stock in the company .......if wall street pulls an Enron on us , I am going to be PISSED ....but I am definately hanging in there muley , and I think you make a good point about the home units being satrad capable ......when everything becomes satrad capable , AND , if our lawmakers can figure out a way to bolster the economy ( like build 10 nuclear power plants yesterday !!!!! ) then subscriptions will go crazy , I know people love satrad , right now they just don't want to spend the money ....that could all change with just a little help from the economy
    2008 Aug 02 12:19 PM | Link | Reply
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    I have a thought , this is not directly about satrad , but maybe indirectly could benefit ....hell we've discussed satrad forwards and backwards ...so I am going to throw this out there just for a change of pace .....Washington is considering another pissy stimulus package ( is this all these guys can come up with ???? ) .......so the total cost to send everyone another pissant 300 dollars is 50 billion dollars ( borrowed / printed of course ) ...ok what does this do ???? The 300 comes and goes in a whiff ....doesn't really accomplish anything in my opinion ......What if - they spent 50 billion dollars to start building some nuclear power plants .....I think you can build 5 nuclear power plants with 50 billion bucks ......think of the psychological impact the people would feel .....our government is actually DOING something tangible ....true , it takes a long time to build these power plants ( 2 years I think ) ....but it would create jobs , it would make people feel hope that energy will be addressed , and it would be a helluva lot better than sending me another 300 pissant dollars so I can pay one month's electric bill .....we do not need a 300 dollar hand-out , we need a 50 billion dollar project , and many more like it ....we need to BUILD something !!!!!!! America is going nuts because we don't have a focus , and no one seems to have a solution other than " mail a check " ......nope , mail a check ain't the solution ......BUILD THINGS !!!!!! That's what Americans like to do !!!!!! I know this is totally off topic , but it's Saturday , and Wall Street is closed !!!!!!!!
    2008 Aug 02 12:36 PM | Link | Reply
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    In my opinion I strongly believe a reverse split would be the worst thing SIRIUS could do. This would immediately attract the shorts to short the price down to close to what it was before. This will hurt longterm investors that have already lost tremendous value in their stock price and this would compound those losses further and make it even harder to regain their previous value. It would continue to hurt investor perception of SIRIUS and have a definite negative impact on the company. We need the stock price to be increased naturally when investors see the value in this company. Their is tremendous value but the company needs to start showing us the money and what exact immediate cost cutting is going on. This stock is worth a hell of a lot more then 1.46.. come on.
    2008 Aug 02 11:07 PM | Link | Reply
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    I have been buying and selling stocks for about 30 years. I have yet to see a reverse split that helped a company and it s stock.

    I don't buy the argument that a reverse split will make it more attractive--------just look at the daily volume---in the millions everyday.

    Agree with Radio 101, increase the price via a reverse split and the hedge funds and short sellers will attack at the earliest possible moment.

    Give us protection against the shorts and naked short sellers and sure I would go for a reverse split-----but not without protection from these vultures.
    2008 Aug 03 12:17 AM | Link | Reply
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    Reverse splits have a tendancy to mute the further rise of the stock. But, without this "Muting" a sharper drop would most likely occur. If you take a look a some of the larger corporations that split, you'll see a less severe drop when it occurs.
    2008 Aug 03 10:56 AM | Link | Reply
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    With 92% of our outstanding shares already owned by Funds and MM , we already have attracted the big boys .. we do NOT need , nor am I in favor of a Rev stock split....GnO
    2008 Aug 04 08:31 AM | Link | Reply
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