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It was great to see Bloomberg cover this story about Barton Biggs saying we are near a bottom:  Biggs Says U.S. Stocks `Close to Bottom,’ May Rally.

It reminded me of Biggs Talk (as in “to talk big”) from March 14, 2008  Here is the Bloomberg article from back then titled Barton Biggs Expects 1,000-Point Gain in Dow Average.

It also reminded me of Biggs Talk from March 5, 2008.  Here is the Bloomberg article from back then titled U.S. Stocks May Surge 15% in Next Few Months, Barton Biggs Says.  I especially like how Bloomberg credits Biggs for his great bottom calling in August and March of 2007.

Biggs correctly forecast stocks would rebound from declines in March and August last year.

On March 16, following a 4.6 percent decline by the S&P 500 from its Feb. 20 peak, he said stocks were approaching a bottom and predicted a gain of as much as 15 percent for the index in 2007. The S&P 500 rose as much as 12 percent from that level before paring its annual gain to 3.5 percent.

On Aug. 16, after a 9.4 percent decline by the index, Biggs said it was bottoming and predicted a rebound. The benchmark rose 11 percent during the next seven weeks.

But before we get to those calls, I was reminded of Biggs Talk from February 11, 2008.  Here is the Bloomberg article from back then titled  U.S. Stocks Near an `Important Bottom,’ Biggs Says.   Some really great stuff in that one about how he didn’t expect a recession and how cheap the markets were and how the rally might be led higher by banks and brokers.

And now for that August 16, 2007 Biggs Talk that Bloomberg loved to cite for his credibility at making bottoming calls.  Here is the Bloomberg coverage from back then titled Biggs of Traxis Says Fed Will Cut Rates, Sees Rally in S&P 500.   You can watch the video of his interview where he says “I think we are putting in a bottom.”  And especially that one about how he thinks it was a “huge overreaction to the problems in the mortgage market.  They are serious but they are not as serious as the markets are making them out to be.”

As for the March 16, 2007 Biggs Talk….watch the Bloomberg video here.   Once again….the market was bottoming…and the subprime problem is “just another bubble bursting” and he doesn’t think we will have a recession and he doesn’t expect a decline in nominal house prices and he is bullish and he expected the S&P to increase 15% in 2007.

Okay, so do you need me to provide commentary once again about what I think when the media trots out a big time investor and suggests that a bottom is forming?

I won’t do it.  I don’t have the credibility for my market timing.  Barton manages billions of dollars in a hedge fund and I do not.

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    Barton Biggs is a joke
    His fund is down 10% YTD so ofcourse he is going to call as many bottoms as necessary until he gets it right.
    When there is zero accountability in the media, anyone can say anything they want without fear of reprisals.

    Just ask Cramer.
    2008 Sep 08 08:09 AM | Link | Reply
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    Last October, as the major averages were making new all time highs,
    Barton Biggs was on TV (Fast Money, perhaps) talking about a "melt up"
    in stock prices.
    2008 Sep 08 08:24 AM | Link | Reply
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    Who is Barton Biggs?
    2008 Sep 08 09:05 AM | Link | Reply
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    A new term is coined "melt up"
    2008 Sep 08 12:45 PM | Link | Reply
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    Thanks for the memories. I am reminded of Barton Biggs, "well fed and maximum bullish," predicting the rise of Asian stocks just before the Asian debt crisis in 1997. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. But why do people give him their money?
    2008 Sep 08 10:05 PM | Link | Reply
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    You should have heard him in the late '70's and early '80's. He was bullish all the way down sand didn't turn bearish until about March of '82 just before the bottom which was the prelude to the most powerful bull market in history. The man is a wonderful negative indicator. When he finally turns bearich, go long as big as you can!
    2008 Oct 06 08:53 AM | Link | Reply