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Being regarded as the worst run bank in America is not an easy accomplishment in 2008, with many competitors for this prestigious title. To win this honor would require dreadful management, poor strategic decisions, terrible timing, and delusional decision making. Wachovia (WB) wins on all counts. The stock chart below looks like a waterfall in progress. It will likely reach the bottom in the next year.

It is amazing how far this 227 year old institution has fallen. Founded in 1781 in North Carolina, through mergers and acquisitions, Wachovia has grown to be the fourth largest bank in the United States. The current version of the bank has its roots in the 1990’s. First Union Bank, also from North Carolina, acquired 80 smaller banks in the 1990’s before merging with Wachovia in 2001. The mistakes and bad judgment started in 1998 and have grown to a crescendo today.

First Union acquired CoreStates in 1998, then the biggest banking merger in history. Under the previous CEO, Edward Crutchfield, the integration of CoreStates into First Union was a disaster. Systems didn’t communicate, employees lacked training, and customer service was a disaster. That same year, it acquired The Money Store for $2.1 billion. It gutted the staff of this unit and clearly didn’t understand the business. It closed the unit in 2000, writing off $1.7 billion. The never ending quest for size led to these poorly thought out acquisitions. The stock price topped out at just above $60 in 1998.

The G. Kennedy Thompson Years

G. Kennedy Thompson started at First Union in 1976. He was elevated to the top spot in 2000. He evidently wanted to make his mark immediately. In early 2001, he engineered the acquisition of Wachovia Bank. The First Union name had such a poor reputation that the company decided to take the Wachovia name. To his credit, the integration went much smoother than the CoreStates merger.

Growth through acquisitions continued to be the strategy of choice for Mr. Thompson. Prudential Securities and Metropolitan West Securities were acquired in 2003. SouthTrust was acquired in 2004. The 2006 acquisition of Westcorp gave Wachovia its first exposure to the California market. The California market will ultimately be seen as its Alamo. The disastrous $25.5 billion acquisition of Golden West Financial in May 2006 is the anchor weighing the bank down and will ultimately drag it under. Did Mr. Thompson undertake this high risk strategy in order to top his bitter cross town rival Ken Lewis, CEO of Bank of America (BAC)? Only he knows for sure.

Golden West Financial was the 2nd largest savings and loan in the U.S., with $125 billion in assets, 283 savings branches and 11,600 employees. This acquisition gave Wachovia a major presence in California with 123 branches and $32 billion of deposits. The housing market had clearly peaked in mid-2005 and was slowing rapidly in early 2006. Herbert & Marion Sandler, the founders of the institution, showed tremendous timing in selling out at the top. Wachovia and Mr. Thompson used horrible judgment and clearly did not do their due diligence during this acquisition. Growth at any cost is never a brilliant strategy. Sometimes you can get lucky when a strong economy bails you out. But if the economy goes into the toilet, this dangerous strategy can flush your entire company.

Of the $11.6 billion of loans originated in 2005 by Golden West, 99% were adjustable rate mortgages. Billions of these loans were Option ARMs. An Option ARM gives the borrower the option to pay a minimum payment (the loan balance increases), just principal, or principal and interest. Over 70% of borrowers chose the minimum payment option. This reckless choice will only work if housing prices go up 10% per year. When prices drop 20% to 30% over the next 2 years, it results in Armageddon for the borrower and lender. Fortune Magazine distinguished itself by naming Golden West Financial as “Most Admired Company” in the mortgage services business in 2006.

Wachovia stock traded at $59 on the day before the merger announcement in 2006. Today, the stock sits at $16.75, a 72% decline in 2 years. While announcing the deal, Mr. Thompson bragged that he had captured “a crown jewel” in the mortgage business. In a letter to shareholders less than two years later, Mr. Thompson wrote, “With the benefit of hindsight, it is clear that the timing was poor for this expansion in the mortgage business.” This was a bit of an understatement. He concluded his letter, “After the industry shakeout, we believe the mortgage industry will be dominated by a handful of the nation’s largest commercial banks. We will be ready for a market with far fewer irrational participants.”

On June 2, 2008 the Wachovia Board of Directors guaranteed that Mr. Thompson would be one of the fewer irrational participants. He was fired. Besides the blow to his ego, I think Mr. Thompson will be able to muddle through. He “earned” $47 million in pay from 2005 through 2007, while the stock plummeted due to his “poor timing.” For his sterling management performance, Mr. Thompson was given a $9 million severance package and the use of an office for as long as he wishes. I’m guessing the 11,000 employees who have been fired due to his incompetence didn’t receive similar packages.

The Golden Western Debacle

Mr. Thompson was so sure that he had made a brilliant acquisition that he allowed executives from Golden West take control of all mortgage lending for the bank. These executives began pushing Wachovia’s sales force to steer mortgage applicants into its “Pick-A-Payment” loans. These loans cost as much as 1% more than 30 year fixed rate mortgages. According to a BusinessWeek article, former brokers say they were given sales targets for the Pick-A-Payment loans and were told to downplay the fact that making the minimum payment would cause the loan balance to rise, known as negative amortization. Training videos instructed brokers to avoid terms like “negative amortization” in favor of the term “deferred interest”. So, top executives were pushing deceptive high risk loans on poor uneducated borrowers when housing prices were already declining. This behavior borders on immoral and unethical.

According to a recent news report, Wachovia showed a pattern of taking advantage of elderly minority homeowners. According to CBS 5 in San Francisco, one of those people is 81-year-old Nell Walker of San Francisco, whose family said in 2006 that she received a "Pick-A-Pay" loan for over $300,000 even though she's on a fixed retirement income. "I think a lot of it was misleading and it wasn't explained," said Walker. "They gave it to my mom and to this day we still don't know how. She has never worked a day in her life," said her daughter Jacqueline Phillips. Now the minimum payment is about to go up, and Walker may lose her home of over 40 years. "It's awful! I'm 81 years old," she said.

Ultimately, the $26 billion acquisition of Golden West will cost Wachovia more than the entire acquisition price. The deal generated $14.3 billion of goodwill and other intangible assets. There is no goodwill in this deal. All $14.3 billion will be written off. Deferred interest on the Pick-A-Payment loans reached $3.9 billion as of June 30. The people who owe this deferred interest are in desperate straits. At least $2.5 billion of this deferred interest will be written off.

When it bought Golden West, Wachovia acquired $122 billion of these mortgage loans. Wachovia now estimates that it will ultimately write off 7% to 8% of these loans. Based on its incompetence in assessing risk and dishonesty in reporting financial results, I would guess the company is understating future losses. The losses will reach at least 10%. This would amount to $12.2 billion. Totaling these likely losses brings the ultimate write-off related to this acquisition to $29 billion. This will surely help Mr. Thompson enter the Worst Acquisition Hall of Fame.

Ethical Lapses or Lack of Ethics?

The NY Times detailed Wachovia's negligence in a May 2007 article, “Corporate Profits, From Data Sold to Thieves”. The article goes on to say, "In all, Wachovia accepted $142 million of unsigned checks from companies that made unauthorized withdrawals from thousands of accounts, federal prosecutors say. Wachovia collected millions of dollars in fees from those companies, even as it failed to act on warnings, according to records." Furthermore, the article adds "In a lawsuit filed last year, the United States attorney in Philadelphia said Wachovia received thousands of warnings that it was processing fraudulent checks, but ignored them."

On April 25, 2008, Wachovia agreed to pay up to $144 million to end the investigation without admitting wrongdoing. The investigation found that Wachovia had failed to conduct suitable due diligence, and that it would have discovered the thefts if it had followed normal procedures. The penalty is one of the largest ever demanded by the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency.

Wachovia, under intense pressure from New York State Attorney General Andrew Cuomo, agreed to buy back $9 billion of auction rate securities that they falsely marketed to investors as a money market type investment. According to a recent Bloomberg article:

Wachovia, the fourth-largest U.S. bank, will pay a $50 million fine to settle claims by the Securities and Exchange Commission and states led by Missouri that it misled investors. It also will take a $275 million pre-tax charge because of higher legal costs in the third quarter. The move follows a similar $500 million write down in the second quarter that was disclosed Aug. 11. ``If it wasn't for the secretary of state in Missouri and others, I don't think we would have gotten anywhere,'' said Tom Nagel, a St. Louis insurance agent who has more than $750,000 in auction-rate securities with Wachovia. ``I dealt with Wachovia people until I was blue in the face and they categorically denied selling this as a money market. But if they don't want to admit they did wrong, shame on them.'' ``Wachovia clearly didn't do right by their customers,'' Missouri Secretary of State Robin Carnahan said in a Bloomberg Television interview. ``I'm as excited as I can be that these 40,000 investors will have access to money that they haven't had before.''

Wachovia recently announced a $144 million settlement for federal charges that it had failed to stop telemarketers from taking advantage of thousands of elderly consumers. This horrible ethical “lapse” was detailed in a February 2008 article in the International Herald Tribune:

Internal Wachovia e-mail messages, for example, show that high-ranking employees at the fourth-largest U.S. bank frequently warned colleagues about telemarketing frauds routed through its accounts. Documents also show that Wachovia was alerted by other banks and U.S. agencies about ongoing deceptions, but that it continued to provide banking services to multiple companies that helped steal as much as $400 million from unsuspecting victims. "YIKES!!!!" wrote one Wachovia executive in 2005, warning colleagues that an account used by telemarketers had drawn 4,500 complaints in just two months. "DOUBLE YIKES!!!!" she added. "There is more, but nothing more that I want to put into a note." However, Wachovia continued processing fraudulent transactions for that account and others, partly because the bank charged fraud artists a large fee every time a victim spotted a bogus transaction and demanded their money back. One company alone paid Wachovia about $1.5 million over 11 months, according to investigators. "We are making a ton of money from them," wrote Linda Pera, a Wachovia executive, in 2005 about a company that was later accused by U.S. prosecutors of helping steal up to $142 million.

In April of 2008 Wachovia was investigated by United States federal prosecutors as part of a probe into drug money laundering by Mexican and Colombian money-transferring firms. The investigation of the alleged laundering also included other large U.S. banks. The probes and accusations continue to mount. Last week, the SEC announced a new probe involving Wachovia. According to an article in The Bond Buyer:

The Securities and Exchange Commission [SEC] enforcement staff has notified Wachovia Bank that they may recommend the SEC file charges against it, as a result of an investigation into alleged anti-competitive bidding practices in municipal derivatives and investment products. Wachovia Corp. disclosed the SEC warning in the 10-Q quarterly financial statement it filed with the commission in August. The firm said in the filing that it "has been informed that in connection with the bidding of various financial instruments associated with municipal securities, the staff of the Securities and Exchange Commission is considering recommending that the commission institute civil and/or administrative proceedings against" it.

The clear lack of ethical behavior by executives at Wachovia prove that these actions and attitude came from the top. Again, this lack of ethics must be attributed to Mr. Thompson and his cronies.

Will Wachovia Survive?

Wachovia has written off $22.7 billion since 2007, while only raising $11 billion of new capital. The stock has dropped so low that raising new capital would significantly dilute existing stockholders. The credibility of its financial statements and management abilities is so damaged that an investor would be a fool to invest in this financial institution. Proving that they are paid to pump up these financial stocks, financial analysts are forecasting that Wachovia will make a profit in the 3rd quarter. After losing $9.8 billion in the first 2 quarters, home prices plunging, unemployment surging, and commercial real estate beginning its painful decline, there is absolutely no way that Wachovia will report a profit for the 3rd quarter.

Ultimately, it is the balance sheet where all of the problems are hidden. Current accounting regulations allow for significant leeway in valuing assets on the balance sheet. Wachovia is so woefully run that it needed to hire Goldman Sachs to figure out what its loan portfolio is worth. One thing is for sure, it is worth less with each passing day.

Wachovia has $532 billion of loans on its books, almost equally divided between commercial and consumer loans. Non-performing loans have increased 454% in the last year. Past due commercial loans have increased 367% in the last year. Past due consumer loans have increased 60% in the last year. These trends portend further deterioration in the asset side of the balance sheet. Wachovia also has approximately $25 billion of Level 3 Assets in its balance sheet. These are assets where one or more of the inputs don’t have observable prices. They are reliant on management estimates. Based on management’s credibility, it is highly unlikely that these assets are worth $25 billion.

Wachovia has $132 billion of off-balance sheet assets. A rule that was about to be implemented by the FASB that would have forced banks to put these off-balance sheet assets on their books was delayed indefinitely due to tremendous pressure from Hank Paulson and Ben Bernanke. If Wachovia had been forced to put these assets on its books, the company would be insolvent. Banks make money by lending at a higher rate of interest than they pay out to depositors. Wachovia currently earns 5.69% on its lending, while paying 4.33% on its long term debt. Wachovia has $34.5 billion of debt maturing in 2008 and 2009. It will not be able to borrow anywhere near 4.33% in the current market. It is so desperate for deposits that it is offering the highest CD rates in the country.

Ultimately, a bank is dependent upon its reputation, the trust of its depositors, and the trust of the market. Wachovia has $383 billion of deposits and only $88 billion of cash. It has lent these deposits out. If there was a run on the bank, Wachovia would not have the cash to satisfy its depositors. Wachovia’s wholly owned financial guaranty reinsurer, BluePoint Re Ltd. filed for bankruptcy on August 7. Bennet Sedacca in his article "Dead Men Walking" pointed out the reasons why Wachovia is a “Dead Man Walking”:

  • Equity has traded from $60 to $16.
  • Issued a $3.5 billion "hybrid security" in February that now trades at 11%.
  • S&P has stated it cannot issue any more hybrids.
  • Sold 92,000,000 shares of a preferred stock in December at 8% that now trades $18 or 11%.
  • Cut common dividend twice since February to $.05 a share or 90%.
  • Debt trades at 9.5-10.5%.

Robert K. Steel assumed command of this sinking ship in July, 2008. He had been Hank Paulson’s right hand man at the Treasury and was formerly a top executive at Goldman Sachs. Based on the facts, Mr. Steel should pray that his former boss thinks that Wachovia falls into the “Too Big to Fail” category and comes to its rescue.

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    aren't you a year late with this?
    2008 Sep 08 08:27 AM | Link | Reply
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    This is interesting. I have been a Wachovia customer for several years. I have read about most of this as it happened over the last several months. It will be interesting to see how this all unfolds. I am glad I never bought any of their stock! It looks like junk right now.
    2008 Sep 08 08:41 AM | Link | Reply
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    The authors of this garbage is obiviously on the short side. Steel will bring them back. 270 plus million shorts will start covering any day now.
    2008 Sep 08 09:10 AM | Link | Reply
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    How many more times are you going to revisit this.I am sure you bought the stock short and will be covering any time now.
    2008 Sep 08 09:50 AM | Link | Reply
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    Good insight here on Wachovia: pretty well sums it all up. Remember, it really is First Union, just the jersey changed to protect the guilty when they merged/bought Wachovia, tearing up the CEO's (Baker) severance/retirement package in the 11th hour of the deal and doubling it to get the deal done. Sad thing is that many employees who have been long and loyal may lose their jobs. Many retirees who thought blue blood Wachovia was a safe, sleep-at-night, dividend paying value stock, have lost their shirts. That Enron killed SIV activity for all but banks is pathetic and speaks to the strength of the bank lobby in DC. Lastly, much of the dead real estate loans of Golden West is in non-recourse states, like California. I guess some poor old unsophisticated North Carolina bankers got taken to the woodshed in this deal! Thompson is no Hugh McColl, or Ken Lewis, for that matter.
    2008 Sep 08 10:30 AM | Link | Reply
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    I'm sick & tired of these "doom & gloomsters" who have an "axe to grind"
    and try to infect the rest of us with trheir "hate virus!!"
    2008 Sep 08 10:37 AM | Link | Reply
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    "If there was a run on the bank, Wachovia would not have the cash to satisfy its depositors"
    What bank would? Is this not what a "reserve ratio" is about?
    2008 Sep 08 10:59 AM | Link | Reply
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    I was one of the executives at the mortgage company replaced by the snake oil sales tactics of Golden West. I was right about the acquisition and predicted the outcome. But I take no joy in being right. I would rather have my job. What we successfully built in two years was undone in 6 months by the new "leadership". Shame on you Ben, Ken, and others for destroying our company.
    2008 Sep 08 12:42 PM | Link | Reply
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    Get a new story, this has been ran, and ran, and ran into the ground! A note to the author, hindsight is great, try predicting something.... Wachovia is the 4th largest bank in the US, and is rated #1 in customer satisfaction for many years. They aren't going anywhere, period! If you want to see banks go under watch for regional players.
    2008 Sep 08 01:51 PM | Link | Reply
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    WB is moving UP .......I am short and getting KILLED......stock movements are not rational ....hedge funds and other wall street crooks are moving the markets....I am learning the small investor has no chance...Wall street,politicans,trea... Res.,Investment bankers,,,,ALL liars and thieves IMHO.....Plan on selling all long and short positions......Lost all faith...rather go to the casino.....
    2008 Sep 08 02:19 PM | Link | Reply
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    can anyone say buying signal? with more than 50B in tier 1 captial, wachoiva will not sink. most of those trying to make a quick buck will fail, as usual...
    2008 Sep 08 06:34 PM | Link | Reply
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    Robert.

    The craps table does probably provide a better return with less risk than the stock market these days.

    However, you could have made money trading WB over the last six weeks. Buy when/if it goes below $15 and sell when it approaches $19. (like now)

    I don't expect WB to be around by this time next year, but a takeover/under is more likely than bankruptcy. The real question is - how much will the shareholders get. I'd be real surprised if its more than $20 a share.
    2008 Sep 08 08:27 PM | Link | Reply
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    a dumb-dumb like me has been saying for years that wall st. is just a casino.yes-you might lose slower but nobody brings you a drink.the insiders,skimmers,scam... are doing great.unethical,dishon... behavior is here to stay.by the way-welcome to conservative socialism..the world must be laughing at our "great capitalistic"system.
    2008 Sep 08 09:08 PM | Link | Reply
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    this site cant seem to publish right anymore.not surprised.
    2008 Sep 08 09:09 PM | Link | Reply
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    This is analysis? This is a joke.

    I fisked this article here:
    tinyurl.com/6e54t7
    2008 Sep 08 11:36 PM | Link | Reply
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    I will say that I have a difficult time analyzing banks but at a minimum I think it can be stated that WB's prospects are poor. I have some shorts and I am getting squeezed so I can relate. But the more I think about it the more I am inclined to short this stock even further. I would be interested to know how big a stake WB holds in Freddie and Fannie bonds. As large bond holders like China just got bailed upout by Joe taxpayer. That aside the only thing I can think of that is supporting the stock price is hype and hope! Who knows maybe manipulation. And if you think that WB is too big to fall and our grandchildren's grandchildren will have to pay to bail them out too. Then I would say take a look at the Fannie / Freddie bail out and ask yourself what is going to happen to the common shares. I am betting against this bank with my only reservation being the real possibility of a white knight. If you really think this bank will survive and be an on going concern than consider a straddle. But I would say that house odds are calling for WB to fold.
    2008 Sep 09 12:41 AM | Link | Reply
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    I appreciate this article. As a newbie to finance and a member of the finance committee of my Homeowners Association, I stopped the committee from opening an account at Wachovia in order to diversify and become FDIC-compliant . . . in Citigroup!
    2008 Sep 09 04:36 PM | Link | Reply
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    I appreciate this article. As a newbie to finance and a member of the finance committee of my Homeowners Association, I stopped the committee from opening an account at Wachovia in order to diversify and become FDIC-compliant . . . in Citigroup!
    2008 Sep 09 04:37 PM | Link | Reply
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    The value of this article is not that it was prescient or that the information has not been disemminated before. It is a summary of why WB is in the shape it is in today.

    It is also a reminder that the financial hangover that burdens the financial system and the macro-economy is not over.

    When in crisis, financial companies shrink to produce cash. There has never been a robust economy in the face of a contraction in credit.

    The deleveraging going on in world markets is a vicious cycle. In simple terms, the contraction of contracts forces the sale of assets at discounted prices. Lower priced assets in turn cause a further contraction in credit. Asset prices need to stabilize to stop this cycle or the risk is deflation. Right now people are not placing capital at risk. (Thus no additional investment in Lehman, Wachovia, Wamu and so on.) This is what Bill Gross at PIMCO means by a financial tsunami. Think of the lost decade in Japan.

    By the way, I am more with Jimmy Rodgers on the bail out of Fannie and Freddie than I am with Paulson. This is a bail out of the banks and Wall Street and not Main Street. America has courts. The UST should have purchased shares versus placing FNM and FRE into conservatorship.

    As an aside, please don't blame the Bush administration for the problem. If you have to blame government, then blame the Clinton administration who said every American should own a home even if they can't afford it and blame Alan Greenspan who kept rates too low for too long. Of course, there are culprits on Wall Street and in hedge funds as well.

    And to put it plainly, McCain would be better than Obama in managing the crisis because he has more faith in capitalism and markets than Obama who sees the government as the solution to all problems. The market will solve this problem faster than the government can think much less move.

    Fannie and Freddie are the problems they are in part because they are big, dumb GSEs. Fannie was created under FDR.

    2008 Sep 09 05:34 PM | Link | Reply
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    User 258704: Technically, the shares were purchased, albeit for $0.00001 each. The Treasury press release is here: www.treas.gov/press/re...

    A separate report also outlines that the Treasury expects to receive a 10% dividend, cash only (or 12% if a year is skipped).

    In related news, I believe Jim Rogers has finally flipped his lid. If lost equity were debt (houses and land, luckily, can be classified as assets or equity; stocks cannot be assets), the correction in Shanghai would have wiped out China's cash reserves sixfold.
    2008 Sep 09 11:30 PM | Link | Reply
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    There are many candidates for "worst run bank in America" and the list would be much longer if you included foreign banks.

    While Wachovia's history is ignominious, it can't undo the stupidity of previous management (at least not without a huge cost). The real investmnet question is whether the new management is making the situation better or worse. My sense is that is doing so-so which, in this case, probably won't be enough. The new management has to make almost nothing but good decisions for Wachovia to survive.
    2008 Sep 10 09:32 AM | Link | Reply
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    Garbage. Plain and simple. You can't tell me that the Bush administration isn't to blame for anything. They have been the biggest wipeout failure of any administration for the last 50 years in terms of budget, policy, international reputation etc. you name it.
    WB is going to be fine.
    2008 Sep 10 09:39 AM | Link | Reply
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    "Wachovia is the 4th largest bank in the US, and is rated #1 in customer satisfaction for many years."

    Yeah, yeah, yeah...Wachovia achieved their #1 customer satisfaction rating by placing ALL customers who would most likely NOT provide a perfect or outstanding rating when surveyed on their "DO NOT CALL" list. Negative feedback from even slightly unhappy customers effected bonuses, therefore ALL employees were very careful to make sure only "happy" customers were surveyed. I know, I use to work there! They're such a fraud!
    2008 Sep 10 11:57 AM | Link | Reply
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    Steel is a great CEO if he cant turn this around then I dont think it can be done.
    2008 Sep 10 01:01 PM | Link | Reply
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    I can't believe Thompson and all the other financial cronies have not been jailed and had all of their assets confiscated. I don't think this is the USA any longer.
    2008 Sep 10 04:03 PM | Link | Reply
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    Taxpayers are being forced by their own government to bail out the dumb investments made by communist China, fascist Russia, and jihadist Saudi Arabia. The government depends on lending from them to survive, so the interests of citizens don't matter.
    2008 Sep 10 05:12 PM | Link | Reply
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    I jokingly refer to Wachovia as 'Whack' ovia.

    To the uninitiated: 'Whack' as in stupid, silly, corny.
    2008 Sep 10 08:12 PM | Link | Reply
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    That Golden West deal was a total disaster. It was yet another symbol of the real estate boom, bust, and mania.

    Golden West was run by an elderly couple that originally founded the company. Picture these slick talking Wachovia bankers being taken to the cleaners by two old fogies straight from a Bartles and James commercial.
    2008 Sep 10 08:16 PM | Link | Reply
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    "landed in ft worth" I like you use to work there and you couldn't be more right. My commission check would be deducted 25% for any score in our branch if a customer scored less than perfect. The teller could control my paycheck. It was sickening. My boss would have me teach rookies how to "ramp up" on "helping" clients with loan issues.(if the client had 700 or greater credit score, no income verification up to 250k). Our "loan bosses" would hold sessions to indirectly show how to get deals done eg.. like fixed income retirees with 250k lines of credit that couldn't qualify. Full disclosure: I was fired for opening checking accts for clients that paid me 4.00 more per account, but that gave customers there first checks free since our FREE checking account didnt come with "free checks".After the client received the checks I would change the status back to FREE checking so they never incurred any monthly fees. Since I failed to document that, I was fired along with hundreds of others for the exact same reason. Can you say "layoff" My boss was aware and it was a known practice.
    2008 Sep 11 01:43 AM | Link | Reply
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    Fisk this Herbert. WB down 30% in 3 days.
    2008 Sep 11 03:46 PM | Link | Reply
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    I wonder if the author understands that every single bank in the world has less cash on hand than they have deposits on the books.

    Where exactly does he think banks get the money to make loans?
    2008 Sep 12 10:23 AM | Link | Reply
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    What exactly is the point of this story? This article offers nothing in terms of providing guidance to future investment in / against the company since Wachovia now has a new management team in Steel and Zwiener. This is a prime example of the sensationalistic journalism that plagues the media these days. People writing whatever they think is going to garner the most attention from unsuspecting readers while offering no insight whatsoever. While investment banks are to blame in poor risk management practices, this type of irresponsible journalism hurts our economy since the market is still tense and jittery. One has to wonder about the author's true agenda - is it that he is short the stock and looking to generate some negative press on the stock to cut his losses? If so, this is far more degenerate than most of Wall Street who are hard-working and honest people making a living by providing real services (underwriting, market-making, advisory) to corporations and investors alike.
    2008 Sep 13 11:02 PM | Link | Reply
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    The article is a factual assessment of a bank that has been poorly run for at least the last 8 years. A culture of fraud and growth at any cost has led them to the brink of bankruptcy. If balance sheets, income statements, and actual loss rates are garbage, then that is your opinion. I have never shorted a stock in my life. My purpose is to warn people about horribly run financial institutions.

    My assessment is that you are an angry employee who sees their stock options deeply underwater. Don't blame me, blame Mr. Thompson.
    2008 Sep 14 11:18 AM | Link | Reply
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    Wachovia Bank - Next weekend's news?
    2008 Sep 15 01:22 PM | Link | Reply
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    JGQ, if Mr. Thompson doesn't understand that banks accept deposits with the intent of lending them out, I have to take the rest of the article with a tremendous gain of salt and look elsewhere for my information about Wachovia.

    2008 Sep 15 02:25 PM | Link | Reply
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    Jeff D

    Look for your information about Wachovia in their Chapter 11 filing that willbe coming shortly. Mr. Thompson ruined a great bank due to his desire to top Bank of America. The acquisition of Golden West is probably one of the stupidest moves in the history of finance.
    2008 Sep 15 08:01 PM | Link | Reply
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    I have a condo mortgage with Wachovia--should I refinance with another bank, like Bank of America? If I don't, what happens with my mortgage if Wachovia goes under? Do I lose my 20% down payment?
    2008 Sep 16 10:56 AM | Link | Reply
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    Relax, your mortgage will be fine. At worst you will have a new company servicing the payment but the terms will remain the same


    On Sep 16 10:56 AM Tmort wrote:

    > I have a condo mortgage with Wachovia--should I refinance with another
    > bank, like Bank of America? If I don't, what happens with my mortgage
    > if Wachovia goes under? Do I lose my 20% down payment?
    2008 Sep 16 11:19 AM | Link | Reply
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    JGQ, if your purpose is to warn people about horribly run financial institutions, you have failed miserably in that respect - any monkey can sum up Wachovia's problems but only a select few writers / analysts actually know enough to offer any insight to the company, and unfortunately, you are not one of them. You are not offering any guidance for investing in this company and let me remind you - a stock's value is the sum of discounted cash flows in the future.

    While you are throwing words like Chapter 11 and trying to spell the gloom and doom about Wachovia to the unsuspecting public, perhaps the 1st thing you want to really understand is the concept of solvency. Please look it up in the dictionary and post up here to all the readers before I enlighten you further on Corporate Finance 101.
    2008 Sep 16 08:26 PM | Link | Reply
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    Discounted cash flows in the future makes me laugh. These boobs don't know what their cash flow will be tomorrow. I understand solvency perfectly. I've been watching solvency at work all week, as my tax dollars buy up every crooked institution on Wall Street.

    You didn't respond about whether you are an employee of Wachovia. I'm sure your not a professor of Corporate Finance 101.
    2008 Sep 16 10:25 PM | Link | Reply
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    Very objective article I learned a lot; I see nothing wrong with going back into a timeline to present a sequence of events for all the dumb comments about this being a year late. I'm closing my accounts (2) with them this week since I have a couple days off due to Hurricane Ike.
    2008 Sep 16 11:33 PM | Link | Reply
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    I have CD account in wachovia - 1 year term. What should i do ? I have to take my money back ? what happen to my money if wachovia goes under or bankrucpty? Please help ? And which bank is safer now ?
    2008 Sep 17 01:03 AM | Link | Reply
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    As long as you have less than $100,000 with any one bank, you are safe.
    2008 Sep 17 08:40 AM | Link | Reply
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    My understanding is that if you have 2 directly related people (say, a married couple) on a CD and the CD is over $100,000, you are insured for a total of $200,000 ($100,000 for each individual). So, if you have a CD at Wachovia, worth $200,000, and you and your spouse are jointly on the account, your $200,000 is totally covered.
    2008 Sep 17 10:34 AM | Link | Reply
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    Wachovia has been the best thing to ever happen to me. I have refinances several properties with them and I am now saving nearly 30k per year in interest. The housing crisis helped the residential apartment business a great deal more profitable; qualified tenants everywhere who would have otherwise been considering homes and my revenue have increased by 12k each of the last 2 years, while my property taxes are down nearly 20%!! I cannot do anymore repairs or improvements and may now be forced to face income tax exposure as I just dont have enough deductions or depreciation anymore thanks in large part to Wachovia.
    2008 Sep 17 03:44 PM | Link | Reply
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    To the nay sayers, and the short sellers, one must realize that they have an axe to grind. None of the financial institutions has made 100% prudent decisions about their transactions. The article presented herein fails to discuss the imprudent decisions of other institutions and therefore is slanted and distorted.
    When elected officials sit on their hands, and exhibit a hands off approach to regulation the special interests in the market place prevail to their own delight and special needs. This is just one of many examples where financial institutions have been influenced by a network of special interests who find it more fruitful to consider their own interests rather than society as whole.
    Positive and egalitarian actions by the institution will be favorable to everyone.
    What a great time to invest in Wachovia Stock..........could only be a winning proposition, no matter what happens. HUGE OPPORTUNITY for many here.
    2008 Sep 17 05:20 PM | Link | Reply
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    Article written when stock was $19. Closing price today $9. Huge Opportunity!!!

    I was not short the stock then, and am not short the stock now.

    I've also written articles about Fannie, Freddie, Merrill. Also great opportunities.
    2008 Sep 17 05:28 PM | Link | Reply
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    what is the relationship between Wachovia Bank and Wachovia Securities ? What would happen to the stocks and funds managed by Wachovia Securities when the Bank goes under?
    2008 Sep 17 09:58 PM | Link | Reply
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    Your holdings in brokerage accounts would be protected in a bankruptcy. Money market funds are not entirely safe. Wachovia had to put money into its Evergreen MM to avoid having investors take a loss
    2008 Sep 17 10:18 PM | Link | Reply
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    Huge opportunity huh? Tell that to all the thousands of people that are "right now" waiting in line to withdrawal all their money from WaMu and Wachovia and using the cash to buy gold.
    2008 Sep 18 09:31 PM | Link | Reply
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    Alston - For FDIC coverage you can always check by going to FDIC.gov
    2008 Sep 20 01:52 PM | Link | Reply
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    Mr. B , please enlighten me. I am so confused. Did the markets correct this or was the bail-out by the administration just a fluke? Maybe they are as bad as we imagine Obama would be.
    2008 Sep 21 12:58 AM | Link | Reply
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    LMAO @ JQ is garbage....you obviously know nothing of balance sheets and cash flow. Hard to figure how a bank with 122 billion of non -performing loans that are currently non- FASB 157 will ever survive

    C'mon back when you get a clue, JQIG !!
    2008 Sep 25 07:16 AM | Link | Reply
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    IP Daily

    The end is near. Bye Bye Wachovia. Thank Ken Thompson.
    2008 Sep 26 01:00 PM | Link | Reply
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    JGQ: Thanks for the gloom, should i go withdraw my CD's tomorrow ?
    So scared
    2008 Sep 26 09:05 PM | Link | Reply
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    Wachovia is in trouble, no doubt:
    www.financemarkets.co..../

    However, it's in better shape than WaMu was, so it all depends on investor confidence - which is pretty shaky at present, especially after the stock plummeted under $9 yesterday.

    If Paulson can get his bail out, that should put enough confidence in the markets and investors to see Wachovia safe.

    Everything now is matter of timing.

    Customers are pretty safe - just means if Wachovia does go down, they'll become customers of Citgroup or Goldman Sachs even.
    2008 Sep 27 11:53 AM | Link | Reply
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    Where are my friends IP Daily and James Quinn is a piece of garbage?

    It must have been the short sellers. It couldn't have been the horrific management of the bank. Steele really saved the day. He spent his time on Cramer's show talking up the stock. I'm sure he'll be OK. Probably walk away with $15 million while the stock went from $30 to $2. What a beautiful country.
    2008 Sep 29 08:06 AM | Link | Reply
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    Sorry IP Daily. I misread your post.
    2008 Sep 29 08:37 AM | Link | Reply
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    for the last 40 years banks have been scamming the general public.

    my home town has nothing left in it, it has been gutted.
    nothing left but banks, lawyers, churches and government.

    Tire production plant moved.
    Fabric mill moved to china
    class plant closed
    all small business sucked up by wall street big corporations.
    They all got wat they deserved.
    The hell with them, take me back to the 50,s, were everything was run by small business.

    2008 Oct 10 05:47 AM | Link | Reply
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    Interesting Wachovia is being investigated for Mexican drug money laundering. Perhaps this accounts for why a bank, in the the midst of a financial crisis, just a few months ago gave LaRaza a multi-million dollar donation. While most large businesses are aware of LaRaza's shakedown tactics, one has to wonder exactly what they threatened Wachovia with in return for the multi-millions they received.
    2008 Dec 07 10:24 PM | Link | Reply
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    I hope Wachovia ceases to exist. It is the worst run operation I have ever seen.
    2008 Dec 23 03:41 PM | Link | Reply
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