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It seems fitting that after Mel Karmazin’s speech at the Merrill Lynch Media Conference, the first two analyst reports issued come from the opposite ends of the spectrum. We have the satellite radio bullish outlook from Citi’s Tony Wible, and the bearish outlook from Wienkes of Goldman Sachs. This leaves all of the other analysts who fall between to issue analysis and reports. Getting the two extremes out of the way seems fitting.

CITI

The CITI analyst has been adjusting his price downward with each report issued, and the latest report is no exception. The new price target for Wible is $5.00, although the analyst still considers Sirius XM (SIRI) as “massively undervalued”.

As noted by Karmazin at the conference, the expected synergies of $400 million have now been bumped up to $425 million. While this would appear to be good news, it was offset by a weaker top line according to Wible. Wible also noted that he sees revenues weaker from softer subscriber metrics, and that investor fatigue has worn on the equity.

As the bullish analyst in the pack, Wible has now adjusted targets from $9.50 down to $5.00.

GOLDMAN SACHS

Wienkes, the analyst that longs love to hate, is maintaining his sell rating on the company. Of those analysts following the sector, he has been the closest to actual performance. The main question is whether the price action is a function of apathy for the equity or whether Wienkes has a solid estimate based on metrics.

Wienkes' report does not contain a lot of detail, and the analyst maintains his sell rating because of lower subscriber estimates, as well as the upcoming financing for the company. Wiekes also notes that part of his rating relates to investors' “show me” sentiment, which is a subjective measure of performance. This subjective aspect of the Goldman analysis is new in their reports.

Personally I would agree that there are many on the street who are in a “show me” mood. This could leave Sirius XM with upside potential if Mel Karmazin is sticking to his typical mode of under-promising and over-delivering. The big question is whether Sirius XM can over-deliver. For investors, this could mean waiting for the Q3 2008 financials to hit the street.

As I expected, Karmazin did indeed outline more detail, but it would appear that the street still wants more. This has the equity trading at new lows, and adds to the frustration level of sector investors. Sirius XM is at the mercy of short term traders. Long term investors have little to defend their position because the sector has been so embroiled in turmoil for well over a year.

With analyst estimates carrying a low of $1.00 and high of $5.00, there is a lot of room for varied opinions. Expect most other analysts to fall in between these estimates, and this equity to trade on near term speculation rather than long term until the third quarter financials and financing are outlined. There would seem to be some indication that Sirius XM will address the financing sooner rather than later. If this happens, one of the main overhangs on the stock will be removed. Whether the removal of such an overhang is enough to solve investor fatigue is yet to be seen.

Position - Long SIRI

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    What the hell kind of name is Wienkes
    2008 Sep 10 10:24 AM | Link | Reply
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    I'm thinking a very very SHORT one.
    2008 Sep 10 10:30 AM | Link | Reply
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    Isn't it obvious? A very very SHORT one. LONG SIRI!!!!!!!
    2008 Sep 10 10:44 AM | Link | Reply
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    I'm buying more today. Its a steal
    2008 Sep 10 10:45 AM | Link | Reply
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    Frankly I don't care about any more speculative analysis The ONLY prediction I care to hear is whether or nor Siri is going to go bankrupt or hit 4 bucks one day ( in my lifetime ) OEM's , Synergies , mergers , debt refi , EPS a penny better ...nothing else means a damn thing
    [EDITED for vulgar language-SA Editors]
    2008 Sep 10 10:50 AM | Link | Reply
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    buy! buy! and buy some more! the risk at this point is very minimal but the upside gains should be astronomical. if you own sirius at higher levels, this is the time to reposition yourself to cover the uppers. everyone has their own opinion including the analysts which when i last checked are still punching a clock and not fishing or golfing 7 days a week so whos opinion do you take. i say, take your own opinion and do whats right for you. i dont want to be like these analysts who work, i want to be retired. remember, a great stock broker is a 40year old retired stock broker and thats who i want advise from. other than that its just you, here rolling the dice like the rest of us. i hope everyone with a positive attitude here see huge gains in the next couple of years. its coming if you have the guts and patients.
    2008 Sep 10 10:52 AM | Link | Reply
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    GotSIRI - Well THAT is one thing that puzzled me .....it would seem to me that anyone with faith in this company would be buying the hell out of it for a buck !!!!!!!!!!!! I definately think it is worth the risk at a buck , but I am "all in" already ........good luck to you , and I hope you make a fortune !!!!!!!!
    2008 Sep 10 10:54 AM | Link | Reply
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    I told you it would become a penny stock a month ago !

    2008 Sep 10 11:03 AM | Link | Reply
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    I'll wait until it goes to zero and then sell.
    2008 Sep 10 11:08 AM | Link | Reply
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    i bought a $7, $4, $2, $1.50. I'm tired of dumping in MORE money to help cover my earlier foolishness. Yet, i'm probably going to buy again now that it is under $1. Go figure.
    2008 Sep 10 11:09 AM | Link | Reply
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    "Whether the removal of such an overhang is enough to solve investor fatigue is yet to be seen". The investors are way past fatigue Tyler. Wake up! The stock has been in a death spiral for 2 3/4 years now. This is just the final blow to diehard investors. Take what you have left over now or risk it going to 10 cents. Any bets on wether or not it will get that low. I thought not.
    2008 Sep 10 11:11 AM | Link | Reply
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    Why are you all so frustrated? The Vicar warned all of you that this was going to happen. But you didn't listen.....You made the bed. You lie in it.
    2008 Sep 10 11:14 AM | Link | Reply
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    The Vicar warned earlier that the company sold out its common during the merger with those convertibles. That and the declining car build will limit upside for this stock. Why is it so hard for you people to come to terms with this reality? You deny it at your own expense.
    2008 Sep 10 11:16 AM | Link | Reply
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    Good for you, Chapter 11! Way to predict it! How 'bout a BIG HARD SLAP on the back for your efforts, buddy?!!!
    2008 Sep 10 11:17 AM | Link | Reply
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    Well seeing that terestrial radio stations such as CDL are still trading at .80 and they dont even have subscribers and are going off advertising which is said to be dropping... I cant see Mel letting this stock get sent that low no matter how many estimates he was trying to beat.
    2008 Sep 10 11:21 AM | Link | Reply
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    Hey Vicar, since you're so damned all-knowing, what does the stock do from here??? Bancruptcy? How long until an upside? Why don't you offer some forward analysis for once?
    2008 Sep 10 11:21 AM | Link | Reply
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    Blogtrog,

    I sense some anger.
    :)
    2008 Sep 10 11:22 AM | Link | Reply
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    Chapter 11,

    More like disgust. Duh!!
    2008 Sep 10 11:25 AM | Link | Reply
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    See chapter 11 and vicar are following this stock around and they supposedly sold months ago when they started posting to sell... i guess they are just diehard fans of SIRIUS SATELLITE RADIO!

    : )
    2008 Sep 10 11:26 AM | Link | Reply
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    hey look we are at average volume at 11 in the morning
    2008 Sep 10 11:27 AM | Link | Reply
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    The Vicar offered plenty of forward analysis earlier, but it fell on deaf ears. This stock is going nowhere. The convertibles are the way to play this company. I sold months ago and actually made money -- but Mel sold out the common to the convertibles holders.

    Why all of you have so much faith in him is beyond me. Your dreams of big money from an unprofitable company have crashed under his leadership.
    2008 Sep 10 11:48 AM | Link | Reply
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    Siriussavery - why are you so angry at Killerkaul? Do you know him? What are his credentials? If you had listened to The Vicar, you would have saved yourself a lot of money.
    2008 Sep 10 11:49 AM | Link | Reply
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    The more Mel speaks, the lower the stock goes. But he's a great CEO right?
    2008 Sep 10 11:50 AM | Link | Reply
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    Hey vicar Chapter 11 proved why hes still posting here...whats your story, you dont own any sirius stock why are you still a SIRIUS leg humper following all the blogs around
    2008 Sep 10 11:56 AM | Link | Reply
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    there he goes again , the imposter .....yesterday he was tayler sayvery or some such.....now he is siriusssavery ...get a life
    2008 Sep 10 11:58 AM | Link | Reply
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    THE BARE FACTS: SIRIUS./XM DOWN 95 PERCENT SINCE WRITING INCEPTION 2 YEARS BACK.DONT FRET! LONG SIRIUS!! LIGHTING MY DOOB TO ACDC BE BACK TOMORROW
    2008 Sep 10 12:02 PM | Link | Reply
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    SHURE46 - Got down again today at .95. Why not? If the ever hits $2 which even the most bearish analysts predict, then its a 100% ROI. Even if it climbs to yesterdays close, thats more than I could make on that money in a CD somewhere LOL.
    2008 Sep 10 12:09 PM | Link | Reply
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    Vicar...Are you retired on your stock yet? didnt think so. If you want to become a millionaire, listen to millionaires and repeat what they know, not some schmoe who is the genius assistant manager at your local Mickey D's. This is the time to reposition yourself better for an upswing. It may take a year or two. If your looking to get rich quick, then buy those packages they sell on late night TV and risk it there. This company has plenty of debt but also has plenty of revenue and growing. If you dont have the guts, take the loss and buy something else, everythings undervalued right now so there are lots of upswing choices. good luck to all.
    2008 Sep 10 12:34 PM | Link | Reply
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    I bet The Vicar will be under a rock upon any upswing in this stock. Its easy to come out and punch someone in the back of the head then run when they've been beaten down a bit. Lets see your Genius come out then. Better yet, give us all your picks so we can feel as smart as you. I guarantee i can pick several stocks that will see upswings at this point in the market because everything is so beat down at this time. Does that make me a Genius? Probably not.
    2008 Sep 10 12:42 PM | Link | Reply
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    The Vicar here is definately a bond holder. This is all you will hear from these guys and i personally know a few. They would love to see Common Stockholders lose it all and they own a company. Wish a little harder Vicar, maybe your dreams can come true. Maybe not!?
    2008 Sep 10 12:46 PM | Link | Reply
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    Connorport: What leads you to believe The Vicar is not a millionaire? (However you define the term).
    2008 Sep 10 12:48 PM | Link | Reply
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    Vicar, I would probably assume you are in a good position and hold senior notes which leads me to believe you probably have a bundle and enjoy the check that comes in every six months for your interest payments. I invite you to wishful think and throw your punches as long as you come out from under the rock to take the punches if this company succeeds. A fair fight is all we ask. By the way i am Both so i know how you think. But you're looking for someone to tell you your a Genius. Please give us all your picks for the next six months and lets see what you know. Im sure thats all everyone wants to know. I do! I want someone to give me some guarantees! Give us your TOP 10 picks.
    2008 Sep 10 01:08 PM | Link | Reply
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    Scot here. Connorport, save your brain; I've been asking Mr. Vicar for a few stock-picks myself and he has yet to do it. What he has offered is advice on HOW to choose one company over another (ie. earnings versus debt ratios, future earnings potential, past performance, dividends, etc.).

    His mantra is: "teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime."

    Well, I guess that's good advice, but that still leaves me somewhat suspicious as to how well he's done with his past picks....

    And by the way, I almost forgot, there is one more thing: Can anybody out there speak with their wits about them as to what is actually going on with this stock? I'm tired of hearing all this crap about what Cramer said or what Mel shouldn't have said or what Mel didn't do. In a nutshell, with the stock price already in the toilet, is this company actually headed for the sewer where it will never recover? And please, no illiterate remarks are necessary from the peanut gallery with their mantra: "I told you so."

    Scot's Slant
    2008 Sep 10 05:03 PM | Link | Reply
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    I, too, believe in Siri. But my question is: If some larger company buys Siri (hostile takeover, whatever) and the price of the new company goes up, do we (existing shareholders of Siri) partake in the new company's price per share?

    2008 Sep 10 05:28 PM | Link | Reply
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    Connorport: What leads you to believe The Vicar is not a millionaire? (However you define the term).

    If the Vicar were a millionairre he wouldn't be here lurking this site and this discussion. My guess, he is someone who craves attention and owns maybe $500 worth of stock (Probably bought 100 sh. at $5.00).

    Lets just all ignore him once and for all and then maybe he will just leave the board leaving relevant comments and usefull information.
    2008 Sep 10 05:31 PM | Link | Reply
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    I think part of the price fall today was the letdown over no partnership with Apple announced Tuesday. SIRI needs to have someone write a shareware program downloadable from Sirius that would enable easy connectivity to iPhones.

    The stock is news driven. SIRI needs almost daily press releases with new offers and programming services.

    Unless you actually believe the company will go out of business you should either hold or buy. As far as the subscriber slowdown, what moron did not know that we would see that right about now as a result of the merger confusion? Now that that is done, and as the subscription options get clarity, subscribers should pick up over the Christmas season.

    SIRI should be negotiating marketing partnerships with media content companies like NetFlix and Blockbuster as I said in my article:

    seekingalpha.com/artic...

    to drive new subscribers.
    2008 Sep 10 05:43 PM | Link | Reply
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    is it really possible for the bond holders and shorts to force this stock to $0 and the company into bankruptcy?
    2008 Sep 10 07:36 PM | Link | Reply
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    I hope everyone remembers that the FCC democrats put us here when they go to vote in the presidential election. If we could have realized the synergies 6 - 9 months earlier we would be completely financially healthy with positive cash flow right now.

    We should also remember that the 9/11 terrorists completed their training and laid their plans under Bill Clinton.
    2008 Sep 10 09:19 PM | Link | Reply