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If only Boeing (BA) were Brazilian. In 1995, oil workers at Brazil’s state-controlled Petrobras (PBR) decided to go on strike (because the government was reorganizing the company in advance of partial privatization, which has only made union workers more money).

After unsuccessful negotiations and a drastic slide in oil and gas production that threatened not only Petrobras’s profits, but the daily lives of Brazil’s citizens who had no gas to heat their homes or cook their meals, the country’s then-president did what many a company executive dreams about. He sent soldiers into the Petrobras refineries where workers were protesting, and “suggested” that the oil workers return to work immediately. And it worked.

It would make things so much easier if U.S. companies could threaten unions with military intervention, but unfortunately, private ownership and America’s pesky non-partisan stance between management and labor prevents Boeing from getting the Army involved in its negotiations, no matter how “vital” the airline industry is to commerce or how many federal mediators the negotiations involve.

And unfortunately, the company’s machinists know Boeing has no real fangs when it comes to threatening them. So they figure an 11% raise, signing bonuses and cost-of-living adjustments (When was the last time you got an 11% raise on top of your cost-of-living raise for nothing more than showing up to work on Monday?) aren’t enough to entice them back to the negotiation table. The machinists know they hold all the cards. And to prove it, they went on strike this weekend.

Why not? It worked last time (in the 2005 strike, which was also the last time machinist contracts were up for negotiation), why not try it again and see what they can squeeze out of the company? In fact, strikes are starting to look like standard operating procedure when it comes to Boeing’s machinist union.

And the fair balance of power between management and labor envisioned by high-minded union organizers more than a century ago is devolving into a form of corporate terrorism. In the world of unions, strikes are supposed to be a big, bad threat, not a normal step in the negotiation process. If you’re striking everytime you’re negotiating, something’s wrong.

Personally, I think this strike has less to do with giving machinists a fair shake and more to do with the union bosses showing Boeing who’s in charge.

Instead of trusting union leaders to present its offer fairly at a vote (and with the union’s strike-happy history, who can blame the company?), Boeing tried to circumvent bosses by posting its new machinist contract offer directly on its website for all employees to read for themselves.

It seems like a logical idea, in this post-internet age of freely disseminated information, to provide every union member with the unadulterated form of Boeing’s offer. But even today, unions can tend more toward fifedoms than chat rooms. And I’m sure Boeing’s attempt to bring the individual machinists back into the equation angered at least a few megalomaniacal (uh, I mean humble and selfless) union leaders.

The last time Boeing’s machinists went on strike (or the last time they had contract negotiations, which is one and the same thing), they halted work for nearly a month and cost Boeing a pretty penny. We’ll have to wait and see whether Boeing will call the machinists’ bluff or if they’ll win the day again.

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    Again someone who knows nothing about aircraft production or maintenance writes an article sounding like they know everything there about the industry. Stephanie you really should walk a mile in my shoes before you try writing about how striking is a form of corporate terrorism. Obviously you know very little of what happens in the day to day lives of these workers. I inviting you to spend a few days with me at work. I am employed at a major airline and perform work much like boeing workers. I would love to "show you the ropes" of the aerospace world. If you take me up on my offer be prepaired to stay up all night, as most of aircraft maintenance is perfomed during the "off" hours (9pm to 6am). Hope you can sleep during the day like I have to. You might want to dig out some of your old clothes you don't mind getting dirty. I can provide you with the hand degreaser but washing your clothes at the end of the day is on you, just like me. I would suggest you plan on using a laundry mat as jet fuel and skydrol tends to "gum" up your washer. I hope you are not affraid of heights or digging around in a used toilet for a bottle of baby powder that has been dropped and is causing problems. I don't expect you to know anything about ILS systems, weather radar,TCAS, autopilots, autothrottles, or CAT III landing capabilities, but I am current on all systems on 5 different aircraft types. Maybe we will get lucky and have to do some sheetmetal repairs. Those are always fun. We can figure out material types, edge distances, rivet types (ms or an), rivet spacing, and what type of doublers we are going to use. All this fun while the supervisors are yelling at us to hurry because they need the airplane. Oh by the way, the FAA will be looking over our shoulder while we are having all this fun. I do it even after my pay and benifits were cut. If you are interested feel free to email me at luvaerospace@gmail.com
    2008 Sep 12 04:52 AM | Link | Reply
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    it continues to surprise me how people who - at least from their photography and the way they write - have never ever really experienced hard physical work over an extended period of time (not just for a few weeks in summer) still feel qualified and urged to write about this kind of subject. It's a bit like watching 22 year old analysts at brokerages who have never seen a real world job and who get nice benefits write about how management ought to cut jobs here and not give in to wage demands there. What is always conveniently overlooked (in this article as well) and certainly not by coincidence, are the HUGE benefits, options plans and salary packages that mgmts grant themselves. performance may be poor - lets grant us a few hundred thousand new stock oiptions with lower strikes. Mgmt will never have to go on strike because all it takes at a maximum, is a a brief talk to the board of directors. Managements granting themselves HUGE payouts for achieving little to nothing is the real 'corporate terrorism' going on in USA Inc. Just look at ORCL's Ellison - the guy granted himself a 43% salary increase recently - on top of the 700 million he made last year in salaries and stock options
    Go figure.
    2008 Sep 12 05:46 AM | Link | Reply
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    Agree with both comments above and will ad that as a non-union worker who supports unions this is more of the same rightwing break unions for Reagon crap for 30years.Living in Chicago an all union City thank god,it is one that is run better than most in the world and no companies are leaving because of wages including Boeing!! Geee scare the people with Terrorism to get your vote or point of view is worse then 2nd grade talk.Grow up lady and read.Thank you
    2008 Sep 12 06:55 AM | Link | Reply
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    Are we done whinning Yet?

    I couldn't agree more that Management Salaries are completely out of line, but that is not the issue here. Yes I have walked in your shoes so don't tell me that I'm not in touch. But at the end of the day the offer is a good one and the workers should be happy with a 11% increase whereas most of the world is looking at 3 and 4 % most of the time. And a signing bonus? That would be great to have as well in a time of financial uncertainty.

    I can't believe that I'm actually agreeing with someone from Seeking Alpha, but unions for the most part are corporate terrorist. If a worker doesn't like the offer then quit, but instead you get the high paid Union bosses that are living like ORCL's Ellison to do your PUSSY WHIPPING. Stand up like a man/woman and make a stand. Union leaders should be taken out and shot like the dogs that they are. I don't like anyone telling me that I have to stay home without pay while they collect their pay. What is wrong with that picture? And don't tell me the conditions at Boeing as a sweat shop, I've been there. 22 % of the workers thought this was a good offer and now are wondering whether they have enough money to make the mortgage and put food on the table. I know, why don't they just should up a the feast at the local union bosses house that he is having tonight. Oh, please will someone finally shoot the union bosses and get back to work????

    Bottom Line, you don't like the offer, then quit!!!!!
    2008 Sep 12 07:17 AM | Link | Reply
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    Maybe you should quit your job if your whinning about your pay Pilot! Seems to me your the whinning baby in here and the union isnt getting 11% a year Dumb ass-You should continue to be a slave to your Employeer at 3-4% and pay your own health Insurance and watch your 401k e\plan dissolve for your retirement so you can continue to work to the day you die,but as a non-Union worker,wages are based on what others in your field make-Perhaps yours should be on Illegal workers who make $8.00an hour and for your great Ceo's Pussy!
    Thank You
    2008 Sep 12 07:37 AM | Link | Reply
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    Look who is whinning-Please continue your slave labor Pilot for your corporate cronnies! If you don't like your 3-4% wage increase then quit!People are loosing there homes because of there wages that you stated in your own comment! Dumb Ass and the Union isn't getting 11% a year increase so continue to pay your own health insurance to your corporate masters and keep your 8.ooan wage and quit whinning!!
    Thank You
    2008 Sep 12 07:43 AM | Link | Reply
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    From what I have read, the real problem the machinists have with BA is not wages but that so much of the dreamliner's parts are coming from off shore or from non-union origins. In other words, they are not necessarily dissatisfied with current conditions, but worried about a future where BA doesn't need them at all.
    2008 Sep 12 07:51 AM | Link | Reply
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    Outsourcing brings everyones wages down and of course loss of jobs-But housing food energy are still at higher wage settings hence people's Credit Debt is highest ever in us history and cant afford to pay for housing nor get loans all directly related to wage depression and union breakups wich is a direct corralation to inflation and cost of living.And by they way contracts can be easily torn up ask GM and Ford workers and what contracts mean to them! Thank You
    2008 Sep 12 08:02 AM | Link | Reply
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    Not that I need to dignify the comments of Osprey861222, but I'm not an airline pilot. That's my handle because I'm a private pilot. I haven't had a raise in 5 years, but I'm not whinning. I took my own advise and I created my own job and I don't have someone telling me when I can't work any more. I pay my own Health Insurance out of my own pocket and I put 20% of my pay in a Sep IRA per year. I quit corporate America back in 1997, so who is the DA now????

    As far as the other comment about the future, I do agree with you. But in my humble opinion, part of the issue with outsourcing to other countries is partly do to the fact that the unions have such a strangle hold on them and that is one way to solve that issue. It is a double edge sword that needs to be broken. But holding a company hostage only gets you short term closure but doesn't solve the long term problem.

    Another point is if the union has 140 million dollars to support it's people for a long term walk out, think how much more money you would have in your pocket if they didn't have to use these this type of terrorism.
    2008 Sep 12 08:21 AM | Link | Reply
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    It's obvious that the real issue is outsourcing and the Union has a legitimate gripe. Money is not the issue. Who in their right mind would say that an 11% increase plus other benefits is too little? And face it… working at the Boeing assembly line is not exactly like working in a coal mine. There’s a long line of people who would LOVE to have any of those jobs and yet, these well paid employees volunteered to walk away from them.

    The 787 Dreamliner has major components built overseas and in non-union shops, flown in and assembled in Seattle. Why did Boeing make this move? Did it have anything to do with the fact that the union has shown a propensity to strike at the drop of a hat? That they are getting a salary and benefits that top the industry? It may be just a two horse race but Airbus is kicking some serious bututie and Boeing needs to remain cost competitive so these well paid jobs remain in existence. Boeing is one of the few US corporations that are bringing money into the country and we as a nation need them to be strong and vital.

    In retrospect, I think Boeing made a mistake in farming out so many of the components to the 787. I certainly can understand their interest in letting other countries benefit from the construction and would therefore have an interest in actually purchasing many of these aircraft but the delays in getting this plane literally off the ground is because of failures with these subcontractors. I think the Boeing machinists would have done a better job and on time but Boeing would then be dealing with a highly paid workforce with the prospect that that work force would use that leverage to walk off the job – again – and ask for yet more money. Can you see the dilemma?
    2008 Sep 12 08:47 AM | Link | Reply
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    In this day in age, Terrorism denotes bombing and killing. So spare us the fear speach.
    And the half truths, it's 11% over 3 years. The main contention is sending jobs overseas. What good is a raise if your job is deported? Unions will go away when humans act humanely and not with self interest greed. The best way to get rid of a union is to treat the people who work to make the company profits as if they matter.
    2008 Sep 12 09:14 AM | Link | Reply
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    Every one of you Union Lemmings came to Boeing, hat in hand, asking if they had work for you. Boeing said yes, we do (they still do). Then, after accepting the job offer from Boeing, you suddenly think that now you are owed the entire operation.

    You haven't a clue what it takes to remain in busness in a global competive environment, nor what it means to be responsible for making a payroll every month. Even so, over the past couple of years, public sentiment has been going your way... a growing outcry against outsourcing US jobs overseas. But in one fell swoop, with a Unions typical "me-first" mentality, you once again remind us all that we need to increase our use of other worker options.

    Some have said that you should "quit" if your job makes you so unhappy, and that is certainly true. But I say, keep your feet mired in your self-created muck and continue to impede the progress of American industry. Stick it to the man! Airbus sits in France, wine-toasting your self absorbed pity party.

    You're lucky you don't work for me, because I'd move the aircraft assembly operation out of Washington, with NO move packages for any Union member. Your jobs would evaporate. Then, you'd be back, hat in hand, asking for work.
    2008 Sep 12 09:36 AM | Link | Reply
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    I agree with Pilot 151, I am retired 80 years old, had clean and dirty jobs. During my working days three companies closed down because of labor disagreements. The point I am trying to convey is be greatfull that you have a good paying job, and if you don't like it quit and see if you can find a better one.
    2008 Sep 12 09:46 AM | Link | Reply
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    Boeing wanted this strike, that is why they gave a heavy wage package and tried to take away senority, death benefits for spouces and only pay for genaric drugs etc.
    You outsiders are always so smug in your writings! What right do you have to judge?
    Boeing is using this to get their poor performing suppliers a chance to ketch up and make it look like it is all the unions fault!
    When was the last time you heard of the corperate big boy taking anything away from their wages and benefits to help the company compete? NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    2008 Sep 12 09:58 AM | Link | Reply
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    Face it folks...the US is on the verge of becoming a Socialist country. The problem here is the fact that BA's hands are tied by law...If they could the best thing to do would be to fire every single worker who strikes and replace him or her with someone who WANTS to work. Any worker with a shred of dignity and responsibility should be crossing the picket line to work WHILE the management and union negotiate.

    I agree 100% with the author of this article...this is pure extortion. an 11% raise on top of cost of living AND a signing bonus? The union leaders who made this decision should be arrested and charged not only with racketeering but treason as well.

    By the way, I've been on the labor side. I have always avoided union jobs simply because I was capable of negotiating my own hourly rate and benefits, thank you very much. And I'd be damned if I was going to pay a membership fee to an organization that wass going to tell me "If you go to work during a strike you will be harrassed, punished, threatened, and possibly injured." Sorry folks, I have a family to feed and to me that is more important.

    Wake up America...The globalization of the economy is a fact. We don't have to like it (truly, I don't) but we must learn to live with it. Outsourcing isn't going to go away until the rest of the planet lives the same standard of living we do...then the playing field will be leveled.

    You union people who act like the Mob had better wake up and realize that your job is not irreplaceable...there is going to come a time where companies like Boeing are going to get fed up with your s**t and move their commercial and manufacturing operations lock stock and barrel to LCCs with techical horsepower like India and China. Where people want to work and the governments can back them (both the people AND the companies).

    Don't be surprised if you see exactly this within the next year...It is only a logical conclusion that to stabilize their manufacturing base they must decentralize and spread it out over the globe. They could get a factory built in India within 2 years that could crank out planes.
    2008 Sep 12 10:05 AM | Link | Reply
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    Singularly the most uninformed, biased,and hateful artical yet, anywhere, regarding this strike. The author wishes we return to the days when corperations hired pinkertons or street thugs to shoot or club working men to the ground.

    She pines for a police state. A true corperate feudalist, and lazzes-fare capitolist.

    Such a hate filled screed with a 1 yr chart on BA stock price, forgettting that precipitous fall was due to management's failed 787 outsoucring model.

    I'll remind the author that in it's entire moder history, Boing has posted a loss in one single quarter, due to another management debacle that resulted in a shareholder lawsuit.

    It reaped these profits with union labor.
    2008 Sep 12 10:34 AM | Link | Reply
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    pilot your an idiot. Im surprised they even gave you a pilots license. Saying you know about the internal workings of a manufacture or an airline because you fly a puddle jumper is like saying you know all about nascar driving because you drive a dodge. Why dont you bone up on the current affair in discussion before posting. You might find that both sides has a pretty good grasp on the subject. Cost overruns, parts delayes, you must blame someone. There is a lot that happens behind the scenes that you a private pilot know nothing about. As for Engineer I would expect as much from him because they are usually tied to management at the hip.
    2008 Sep 12 10:49 AM | Link | Reply
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    if you dont like your job-quit.there might be someone out there to replace you.yes, management is way overpaid but your strike wont change it.before you took the job with the co. how much did you invest in the co.? i guess nothing.so you work,get paid & feel lucky you have a job in these tough times.the co. only owes you for work done.nothing more or less.the strike may end up sending more work overseas.soon china will build jetliners.
    2008 Sep 12 11:01 AM | Link | Reply
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    I believe the young author is missing the point, the money and raises are probably adequate. I am sure the issue is to limit Boeing from sending even more jobs overseas. No use getting a big raise if the company is allowed to send your job someplace else.
    2008 Sep 12 11:41 AM | Link | Reply
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    The "engineer" said it most plainly and clearly. I would encourage the strikers to take a look at Ford and GM share prices. These once great American companies have been unioned to death. Most of the U.S. out here have never had good wages or benefits of any kind. We all have the right, and the obligation actually, to invest in a company and own a piece of it. An awful lot of Americans are dying and being maimed in war right now, so that we can share in the success of a company. We keep hearing about 'big oil' 'plotting and scheming to bleed us poor proletarians to death; but we don't hear much about the $200,000 a day it takes to operate one offshore rig. It's the same for Boeing. It is no small feat to take on the world's most complex projects and turn a profit. Yes, parts of the Dreamliner were outsourced...owing to the repeated strikes! This was your fault!

    This all by itself is enough to drag BA down into the penny stock class, ultimately to disappear from America altogether. Then where will you go with 'hat in hand' looking for work?...To Ford? they've already been striked to death. How about Snappy Hamburger Palace?

    This nation is in an economic death spiral. To strike Boeing now is egregiously unAmerican.
    To quote Abraham Lincoln: "Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage morale and undermine the military are saboteurs, and should be arrested, exiled, or hanged"
    BA has military contracts in the offing-the nation is going down like the Titanic...and machinists are sabotaging the company, and wanting more comfortable deck chairs. Trust me...most of the nation despises these striking machinists. You want to help this nation? Or are you only interested in your self interest? Then you are absolutely no different from the money lenders who wrecked the economy. You strikers are doing precisely the same thing. Say to your union bosses, "This is NOT the time to strike. We recognize this nation is at war, Americans are bleeding everyday and night...this is wrong. WE want to go back to Work." I assure you the nation will honor you like you would not believe. But you insist on this sabotage...you will forever be the jackasses you are making of yourselves...for all the world to see, and in all the history books for generations to come., when the young students ask, "What happened to the once great America?"....Yes by all means...you will deserve the ignominy . We would love to see you all 'let go'. We have no respect for you whatsoever. If you don't like this opinion, you can call 1-800-Crybaby.
    2008 Sep 12 11:55 AM | Link | Reply
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    Ms. Grimmet:

    It would appear labor relations is not a subject that you should be writing about.

    As a former unionist who now advises employers on their labor-related issues, you have a few valid arguments and one very, very wrong and immoral point.

    To declare that is it "unfortunate" that U.S. companies cannot threaten unions with military intervention indicates you know very little about the history of labor unions in the United States and seem to value freedom even less.

    Further, with few exceptions (Boeing being one), the strike as a weapon for unions is a pea shooter, as most companies would find it all too easy to replace striking workers (as Boeing probably could, albeit not quickly or cheaply).

    Rather than arguing that today's unions (based on a model from the 19th century) have outlived their usefulness, have caused irreparable harm to many companies (and their workers) within heavily unionized industries, and are controlled by union bosses with a penchant for moving America toward socialism--all of these would be valid argument--you chose to make an argument for forcing labor at the point of a gun. This makes one wonder, what are your basic beliefs?

    To argue that a man (or woman) should work at the point of a gun is to argue against freedom and for its opposite--slavery.

    That said, TODAY's union leaders (including the IAM's Buffenbarger) also place little value on freedom--for anyone who argues for the coercive power of government to interfere in the private relationships between labor and captial (be it from one side or the other) argues for the enslavement of one or the other. To argue that a man (or woman), a business owner or a worker, should work at the point of a gun is to argue for slavery and should be condemned.

    When today's unions fail to win in the marketplace of ideas and are failing in their pursuits to gain marketshare by building membership, they resort to buying politicians and relying on such deceptive legislation the Employee Free Choice Act (EFCA).

    EFCA allows unions to manipulate workers into unions by removing the ability of workers to have a secret-ballot vote on the subject of unionization, then requires employers (under the threat of the coercive power of government) to "recognize" and "bargain with" the union and, after 120 days of "bargaining," forces a government-induced contract that may not be in their (or their workers') best interests (the second provision of EFCA, which is government-forced binding arbitration). What happens if an employer refuses to go along with this coercive abuse of power? Legal actions, judgments, fines, and potential jail.

    Today's union desire to use the power of governent force is nearly as bad as writing that the government should threaten military intervention during a strike at the end of the contract--both are based on a premise that one man has the right to enslave another.

    Ms. Grimmet, ultimately, the laws of cause and effect will be the best arbiter of the Boeing dispute. If Boeing agrees to a contract that makes it uncompetitive, you will see that company (and the striking Machinists' jobs) go the way of the Steel and Auto industry. That is the way a free market works.

    But to argue for government intervention from either side is wrong.

    This is a principle that was espoused by the father of the modern labor movement, Samuel Gomers, for good reason, but completely forgotten by his offspring--today's union bosses.

    Ms. Grimmet, you need to check your premises and learn your history before writing on a current event that you know little about.
    2008 Sep 12 11:59 AM | Link | Reply
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    obviously whoever wrote this garbage has no idea what the issues of the contract is about. Union are hear to protect workers rights. Calling this corporate terrorism is a grave distortion of the meaning of terrorism and of the rights of american workers. these coments sound like corporate that are the good guys, when is reality they are the ones that are trying to steal from there workers. You don't try and take workers benefits then try and hide them behine a wage increase and a bonus. same on boeing
    2008 Sep 12 03:02 PM | Link | Reply
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    BA employee

    Let me start off by saying I have worked for Boeing for 27 years and have enjoyed my job and the company as a whole!

    But over the last 10 years or so I have seen a rapid decline in what was a once a caring company into a greedy corprate monster!!
    It's not about the Boeing family anymore, it's about the CEO's and share holders. They want more, well we do to, but we are not as greedy as they are.

    I have not seen an hourly employee get millions in stock options and a healthy retirement, even if they get fired or asked to retire for inappropriate behavior and busniess dealings, or mismanaging a program so bad they replace you to try to get the program back on track.

    How about outsoucring so much that your new A/P model is two years late, and the company is still throwing millions of dollars to these companies to bail them out and try to get them up to speed. Oh and part of that millions is IAM works going there to help fix the problem. They can afford to send people around the world but can't afford to keep the work here because of cost!! Sorry that doesn't add up!!

    So, about the conttract!

    As I watch and read all this comments on the blogs and news on TV I have noticed no one wants to tell the public what the contract will cost the average worker over the life of the contract.

    For a family of 3 or more the better health care plan went up from 4K to 6K per year out of pocket. This alone would cost the average family all the great bonus money all the, non IAM members, thinks is so great. Yes there are cheaper plans that would only cost half of your great bonus, but as a provider fro your family do you want the best you can get or settle for OK.

    This is just the start of the money out of pocket for the younger work force, and they DO NOT THE BIG BUCKS EVERYONE IS SAYING THEY MAKE!!! Most of the younger poeple make 13.00 to 14.00 an hour. My son works for ROTO ROOTER!, and trust me you pay more per hour for him to come out and plug your toliet than people are getting paid to assemble something that is carrying your loved ones around the world at 38,000 feet in the air. No room for error!!!

    So my point is, don't get down on the IAM workers because they want something a little nicer for their family and future.
    They do work long hard hours for what they get just like everyone else out there. /Show more... /Show less.Reply Report abuse
    2008 Sep 12 04:12 PM | Link | Reply
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    You are obviously not getting paid for this article that is making me think that it had to have been written by Adlph Hitler himself. I would imagine that you would be happy if we were all treated like Wal-mart workers (see the lawsuits against them). Did you ever consider moving to communist China? Maybe with a view of the square? Your article is not only offending to hard working Americans it is taking away any freedoms that we have earned. You would be totally in glee if we would all kneel at the corporate alter.
    Please don't look for that to happen any time soon.
    2008 Sep 12 04:17 PM | Link | Reply
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    As a IAM member (thats the union that is on strike right now at Boeing) I, unfortunately, have to agree with this article. Although I am honoring the picket line I did vote to accept the contract and voted no on the strike sanction. Unfortunately I am in the big minority. Now I certainly hope this blogger was being sarcastic about the government troops idea (if not then you need to move to Brazil and stay there) the main thrust of this article I completely agree with.

    I've been at Boeing now for 21 years and this is my 4th strike. We struck in '89, in 95, in '05 and now again in '08. Lets also not forget that in '02 the union called for a strike, however that time they did not get enough votes. Any sane and marginally competent individual would agree that the IAM is a strike happy union. Worse yet, the membership is a bunch of sheep who, with the exception of '02, do exactly what the union tells them to do without reasonable thought entering their collective minds. How do I say this? Simple, I'm there. I hear the workers talk, what they say and how they say it. I have sat down with over a dozen of my fellow workers with calculater in hand to add up the pros and cons of the contract offer. Even with the union stewards present to sell the union line not one person could show SPECIFICALLY how this was anything but an exceptional contract offer by teh company. I was met with nothing but rhetoric which quickly turned to yelling when I insisted that the union specifically show me how we were loosing on this contract.

    This is in addition to my demonstrating, again with calculator in hand, that we union members never receive a net gain from going on strike. Even in the '05 strike that we supposedly "won" what we gained still to this day has not made up for what we lost by missing those paychecks.

    Now after reading this response many people will probably think I am anti union and anti labor. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Unions are essential to keeping labor from being exploited by the "make money at any cost" corporations of the world. Because make no mistake, corporate America would have everyone back in sweat shops tomorrow if they could. BUT...union members also need to be smarter. Only 15% of this countries labor force is union...the lowest it has been in 60 years. This isn't the fault of the Republican party, its the fault of most workers not wanting union representation because of how many companies in America closed up shop in America because of strike happy unions, and what continues to happen with strike happy unions like the IAM.
    2008 Sep 12 06:46 PM | Link | Reply
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    Union will destroy Boeing if allowed to like they did Hoffa.
    Yes - I was also a machinist in the aircraft industry and the membership was NEVER the controlling or deciding factor - the union leadership will decide. One of the few things that RFK ever did right or at least attempted to do was shine a light on them.
    Take a good look at what the members are having to do in Detroit today.
    2008 Sep 12 07:19 PM | Link | Reply
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    I am from Michigan and will fly to Seattle with my wife tomorrow for 10
    days. My wife is looking forward to Victoria with its beautiful gardens, and I was looking forward to visiting the Boeing plant in Everett. Unfortunately because of the strike, we found out it is not open. Being from Michigan I am well aware of the power of Unionis and some of the unintended consequences. We are having difficulty attracting
    any new plants up here and continually hear about jobs being lost.
    We have been the auto capitol of the world - but now not so much.
    I hope the future does not hold the same for Boeing and Washington

    2008 Sep 13 01:39 PM | Link | Reply
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    Just read the article and comments. The writer doesn't have a clue. I would of lost $100 per month had this contract been accepted due to the changes in benefits. I took the time to read 300+ pages of the proposed contract, I am informed. It is not as simple as 11% + signing bonus. If it was it would of passed easily. Please take the time to read the proposed contract before you post.
    As for replacement workers here's a little known fact: Boeing can't get enough workers as is. Over 30% of those hired in the last year have quit. Why? The standard Boeing work schedule for an IAM member who is involved in airplane assembly is 19 days on and 2 off. Not just for a little while, for years on end. Not every shop is working it, but enough are that people will strike just to have time off.
    Remember there is alot more to this strike than an outsider could imagine.
    2008 Sep 13 06:52 PM | Link | Reply
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    All right then. Stephanie you messed up big time. Just because you are educated does not make you a smart or decent person. This article reminds me of the college fool who wrote the article about Tillman (you remember him, the pro footballer killed in Afghanistan) Rene Gonzales was his name. To Stephanie and Rene, you really haven't live long enough to take on this subject. Period. But I digress...
    I humbly submit the following to you Stephanie: Ahem....
    Do you happen to know what the Universal Declaration of Human Rights is? Read article 23. It basically states everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests. And you know who the biggest critics are of the UDHR? The Islamic community. Funny huh? Look it up for yourself. As a 21 year Boeing employee I can add this: Every three years there is an expiration of our IAM contract. Every three years the company cries broke and we lose a little medical here, little dental there. No problem, after 9/11 we wanted our company to get healthy again, As well as our country. So now we are healthy. Guess what happened again? More medical takeaways hidden in the fine print. Boasted as a great offer by Doug Kite, who was charged with selling this contract to thousands of people who distrust him. So Stephanie, let's say whoever you work for every three years starts chipping away at your medical. Which, no offense, you appear to be headed down the wrong health path at such a young age. Wait until after 30 or 40 your knees will start to feel the burden you've place on them. Listen and understand, the older you get the MORE YOU NEED medical help. You'll see someday. Medical means a lot to Boeing people, building airplanes...not easy. You know how to rivet? That's an impact sport where after ten years the doctor says you can't feel your fingers due to nerve damage. Good God grow up and learn from the experience of life.
    2008 Sep 13 10:42 PM | Link | Reply
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    You're ignorant and doesn't have a single clue on what you're talking about. Look at all these people at least they have experience to know what's right from wrong. :]
    2008 Sep 15 01:02 AM | Link | Reply
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    I'm under the impression that the IAM hasn't had a wage increase in the last four years. Is that true?
    2008 Sep 15 07:34 AM | Link | Reply
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    Try about 8 years. After 9/11, they have been acting like they have nothing to give. Readers should understand the Boeing exploited 9/11 to guilt us into taking hits on medical and dental and everything else they could. Approx. 30 percent of the new hires are quitting, I know at least two. They both said it wasn't enough pay for the hard physical labor. 12 bucks an hour? 21 YEARS ago I started at TEN DOLLARS an hour. See the problem? All long term Boeing people have a clear understanding that the company looks at us as a liability. 21 years and it never changes. ALL of the trouble Boeing gets in is because of MANAGERS, but they blame us for eating away the profits. Approx. 3 to 6 percent of an airplanes price is wages and benefits, but Boeing acts like it's 90 percent. Boeing always cries broke, always has, always will.
    2008 Sep 15 11:47 AM | Link | Reply
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    As for the people who compare Detroit/UAW and the unions killing them, The U.S. auto industry is self inflicted. They build sub quality cars with worse resale value and wonder why they lose market share. Japanese cars cost MORE, but people like myself buy them because we get tired of fixing U.S. cars. You think that would have changed but quality was never job one with them. I remember always buying American cars but after years of mechanical problems, I didn't want to pour time and money into these expensive thieves of my time. Quality is not job one at Boeing either, production is. Bean count. Slogans. Dr. Deming tried to fix Ford now look at them. Ford was THE most profitable company in the late 80s but they once again forgot the principles. Quit blaming the UAW and comparing to the IAM, the commercial aircraft as of now have only two players, and they go back and forth dominating each other. Each are strong. The U.S. auto industry just keeps making cars people don't want. Sad but true read Consumer reports their studies show the same thing.
    2008 Sep 15 12:12 PM | Link | Reply
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    This article is completely off base, and attacks the union instead of the corporaation.

    When was the last time the company had this many orders and this much in profits. They never have, and yet after health care takeawyas in 2002 and 2005, and only 1 wage increase since 2002 which came in 2004, the company still believes it can take away from the workers.

    What about outsourcing and job security statements. What's the poiint of a raise and benefits if the company just plans on outsourcing your job in a few years.

    This article reeks of conservative BS. The American economy is in shammbles and the main reason is corproate/wallstreet greed.

    I ask you again. If a company has record oreders for their product, and record profits, why should a employees accept less job security and added expenses on their health and dental care. What does it take for a corporation to make or sell before they offer up a no takeaway contract and reward the employees that have proven they are very productiive when compared to the outsourcing (see 787 debacle) the company insists upon.

    No this isn't terroism... its a war. It is corporate America vs: the citizens. It is greed vs: need. The only evil party here is CEO's and execs who value wealthy shareholders rather then the blue collar workers who rivet, weld, assemble, repair, and work weeks upon weeks of forced OT.

    This article is completely incorrect in its assupmtions that the union is to blame. It is not !!!!!
    2008 Sep 15 02:13 PM | Link | Reply
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    This chick sounds and looks like like Scott Carson's Daughter. Boeing does and will try to rip off all union workers, like they are trying to do away with pensions and replacing it with a market return 401K. And right now, the market return is not a pretty picture.
    2008 Sep 15 07:42 PM | Link | Reply
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    Ms. Grimmett,
    Where to start? You comment about military intervention would be laughable if it wasn't so disturbing. Terrorism? That's an insulting comment to all victims of the 9/11 attacks and other terrorist acts. Your immaturity and ignorance are on full display here. You're always welcome to move to Brazil if you think having a gun pointed at your head is a good idea.
    2008 Sep 15 07:42 PM | Link | Reply
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    Glad to see some comments here. It is easy to get caught in the pretend world of wall street. The Boeing strike is not about money but take away contracts for the last three. The workers who help make 100% of the profit only want a fair share for benefits and level pay raises for everyone.
    The new hires make $10 to $12 an hours and may take them as long as 11 years to reach max pay if laid off. This strike is about keeping work in the US and the jobs inside the factory union jobs.

    We all know how Wall Street hates welfare, how come they don't despise corportate welfare. Boeing has recieved about 8 Billion in tax breaks, infrstructure improvments and revamped and reduced the L&I and unemployement benefits. They had the teachers COLA and Classroom size reductions stopped. The only way tax payers get their money back is through payroll taxes. Boeing promised jobs for those billions and now they want to dump dump dump offshore. They laid off thousands immediately after 9/11. America is a mess because we let high finance steal from the AMerican people. Print money like now tomorrow. Justice in a free market is called failure. Yet we print money to bail out thieves in the home loan industry.

    If you capitalists love this system then why won't Boeing make all employees true stake holders in a no game profit sharing plan?

    Get your facts please.

    Don
    2008 Sep 15 08:53 PM | Link | Reply
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    Wow... It seems that none of you seem to understand what's going on here. I'm a Boeing worker in the Puget Sound area and an IAM 751 machinists union member who's on strike with my union brothers and sisters. To address the first part of your article regarding the Brazilian energy workers going on strike... It seems that you believe in Gestapo Totalitarianism to cure the worlds problems. Also, you don't seem to understand that Boeing in not "The Airline Industry", it's an airplane manufacturer... There's a huge difference. "Military Intervention" is just another way of saying death threats. When you say that the military intervention worked in Brazil, who did it work for? The energy workers who were clearly not being treated fairly? I don't think so. To quote you, "private ownership and America’s pesky non-partisan stance between management and labor", Boeing is not a privately held company and Partisanship is something that applies to politics. Politics is about law making and policies regarding the publics rights. You seem to want to completely disregard the entire Bill of Rights. You said the company has no real fangs to threaten the union workers... Are you joking? What's to stop the company from firing all of us? I'll tell you... they can't because we are the real McCoys, the people who know how to make it happen, the real brains of the operation. If we were just grunt labor, we would be gone last week and new replacements brought in shortly after... but did that happen last strike or the strike before? NO! We are striking because Boeing has constantly hacked away at benefits and then put a little "up front" money either in the form of lump sum bonus or pay raises (we've had no pay raise since 2004) to make it look like they gave increases but in reality they just shuffled things around with no net gain. Now, there are more reasons we are striking. The bloggers here keep talking about us striking over the outsourcing of parts manufacture. We aren't happy that the company's doing this but can we change it? No. What we're really striking about it the fact that they put language in the last contract that allowed then to let outside vendors to start delivering the parts they make directly to the assembly line instead of having our union brothers and sisters do the delivering. This is a direct attack to the union members who do transportation of parts. In closing I'd just like to say that the balance of power you speak about is a farce. The union leaders of the beginning never thought that balance was a goal, only forcing the company owners to treat the workers to a fair shake.
    2008 Sep 16 04:40 AM | Link | Reply
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    This is the craziest thing I have ever heard. For the people who have commented for the Union, is it coincidental that your union is continuously in the news for its corruption? If you think having two bureaucracies taking care of a problem is a good idea, then that’s what you get. Unions have CEO's who pad their pockets in tough times just as you say the CEO's do. So good let’s invite more to the party. Just last week there was news that the Service Employees International Union had their head step down for using its members funds to pay for his honeymoon, his house, a vacation to Hawaii. That same Union who allows that to happen as I am sure BA’s union does is trying to convince us to vote for Obama. Yeah, let’s invite another bureaucrat to the table.
    As for BA purchasing its parts from overseas, why wouldn’t they? For as often as their unions strike they have to to ensure the parts are there so when the employees decide to come back to work they have something to do.
    My Grandfather worked for Boeing, he would be ashamed of your unions today.
    2008 Sep 21 09:24 PM | Link | Reply
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    A further to my previous comments:

    A lot of people seem to be complaining about the compensation packages that the executives get. They may in fact be excessive (believe me, I have thought about this a lot, as I work for one of the largest companies in the entire world) but there are reasons:

    1) The CEO of a corporation has the primary job of being responsible to the shareholders of the corporation. His job is to maximize profits for the benefit of the people who have plunked down their hard earned money to watch it grow. In many cases his or her compensation is tied directly to share price. CEOs must make hard decisions regarding the operation of the company...I would not want to have that job. They are painfully aware of the image they have, and the weight of that responsibility. I believe that they truly want to do right by their employees...however, their decisions are based on numbers and hard logic. To do any less would be to do a disservice to the tens of thousands who invest their money in the company. And don't think that they don't work for it...I guarantee you the CEO of BA is working more hours a week than any of the people on the floor. He might have a plush office when viewed from the outside but I guarantee you to him it is a prison as well.

    2) Is any person on the floor willing to put their signature on the company's annual report and risk going to jail if it turns out that the numbers are not factual? Do any of them have any idea how complicated that report is and how much risk there is (PERSONAL risk) in signing that report? They are paid well because they willingly take that PERSONAL risk and trust in their people to do the right thing.

    Yes, when compared to the rest of the world our CEOs do seem to be more highly compensated. But in no other country in the world is the risk of that position so high.

    No I did not read the contract offered by BA to it's labor force. My bad if I quoted numbers that are out of line. My comments have been intended to address the broader issue...that the union management in this case is not only not operating in the interests of the rank and file, but against the very fabric of the American way of life...the freedom to choose when and for whom you work. By putting up a picket line and telling those that want (hell, NEED) to work that they cannot, they are no better than the gestapo and will be no less culpable for the fall of this country and its (already shaky) economy.

    They are powerful enough to be figuratively considered holding a gun to the head of management and saying, "cough up or I pull the trigger". The union bosses have already made their pile on the backs of the rank and file...if BA goes down they lose nothing, but rather just retire to the banana states and laugh. If BA capitulates, they just pile more on.

    And I saw another comment about how Airbus must be taking this...they are rubbing their hands and sensing fat profits. Every day that BA labor strikes is another day they get beat in the market on the superjumbo aircraft. If the workers can't see that this threat may actually do BA in, they either crazy or totally uncaring. They may not have jobs to go back to.
    2008 Sep 22 09:18 AM | Link | Reply