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Twice in 2002, and once in 2001, I engaged in a risky form of financial behavior.  I was an investment grade corporate bond manager, and I was focused on financial names.  In 2001, post 9/11, we bought all of the out-of-favor sectors from September to November.  (I remember being at a conference for insurance CIOs in October, and seeing the horrified looks on the face of the other CIOs in a closed door session, when I said we were expanding our exposure to BBBs and junk, and hotels, Airplane EETCs, etc.  What topped it all was the representative from Conseco telling me how irresponsible I was.  Coming from Conseco, that made me blink.)

But we sold them all in the second quarter of 2002, when the hunger for yield was growing.  We happily sold our bonds that were now in favor for higher prices.  Then, with the accounting disasters at mid-year, on July 27th, two of my best brokers called me and said, “The market is offered without bid.  We’ve never seen it this bad.  What do you want to do?”  I kept a supply of liquidity on hand for situations like this, so with the S&P falling, and the VIX over 50, I put out a series of lowball bids for BBB assets that our analysts liked.  By noon, I had used up all of my liquidity, but the market was turning.  On October 9th, the same thing happened, but this time I had a larger war chest, and made more bids, with largely the same result.

At that point, I noted that the market was behaving differently.  Most of the troubled names were either dead or cleaned up, so I continued to buy yieldy long-duration financial bonds as the rally continued.  Aside from a hiccup as the Iraq war started, the rally that started October 9th persisted for a long while in equities and corporates.

Why am I telling this story?  Partly because the case for panic conditions in the fixed income markets, and with the banks is thin.  By the time we were in mid-2002, the equity markets were down far more from the peak, and implied volatilities were a lot higher.

Now, what is different at present is that the losses in this market are being led by financials, because in 2002 housing was not overvalued like it is today, and in 2002, the commercial and investment banks were not so highly levered.

So, looking at the two periods, I would rate the economic stress as pretty even across the worst of 2001-2002 and now.  We bounced back from 2002 without any bailouts.  Could it get worse from here in this present era of stress?  Yes, it could.  But at some level, enterprising investors come in without the aid of the government and begin buying assets where the downside is adequately discounted, and the upside ignored.  We are close to that now, with mortgage opportunity funds starting up.  Those won’t see the light of day if there is a bailout.

So, I’m not sure we need any bailout.  As Yves Smith at Naked Capitalism notes, the calls from average people to Capitol Hill are having an impact.  Keep making them.  Call the Treasury’s bluff.  If we prove wrong, well, the next administration will craft its own measures, rather than a bunch of unaccountable lame ducks who are unaccountable even when not lame ducks.  (Did I say that?  Sigh.  Repeat after me: This is not a political blog, this is not a political blog… and I voted for Bush twice, not that it matters much in Maryland.)  I agree with Naked Capitalism again — there may not be a true crisis.

But, I can look at it from another angle.  If I had $700 billion to spend as a clever investor (versus $30 billion for Buffett, earning 17% lending to Goldman Sachs), what would I do?  I would adopt the same approach that I did in 2002 (where my war chests were hundreds of millions), and get my analysts to percolate up their best ideas, and do rough estimates of what fair value is at a number of different discount rates.  I would start small, and offer lowball bids for hundreds of millions of seemingly mispriced securities.  I would adjust my bids as I found no takers or many takers.  Price discovery in illiquid bond markets is tough, but it is something I was good at in 2001-2003.  I would also leave markets where there is no rationality… I can invest anywhere, why should I limit my reach?  If Buffett can earn 16-17% off of Goldman Sachs, why should I look for much less?

Today, Bernanke suggested the use of reverse auctions to deploy bailout money at hold-to-maturity pricing levels.  My dear naive professor, markets avoid equilibrium, they do not seek equilibrium.  When the markets are in trouble, most players are in trouble, and there is not enough liquidity to bring the markets to long-run equilibrium levels in the short run.  The fundamental value of an asset is a relative concept, and depends on factors like the yield curve, implied volatility/credit spreads, etc.

The danger with the Treasury bailout proposals is that they will waste money by buying assets at levels above what the market will bear.  The danger with Dodd’s proposal is that they will drive companies into the ground through dilution from hasty asset sales.

Looking at it from a static standpoint, perhaps $5 Trillion would solve the crisis.  I think that would fill every hole, definitely.  But on a dynamic basis, you don’t need as much to move markets.  Once a buyer of size comes in, other players adjust their bids and asks.  So, if I had $700 billion of cash, I would have a hard time disguising my moves.  I would expect to send unused cash back to my funders.

Also, the difficulty of reverse auctions when you have so many disparate securities with small sizes is tough.  So, I look at this crisis, and think that if we wait for four months, the situation might be better, and no bailout will be needed.  If not, the next administration, not lame duck, would face the consequences.

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    The thing that disturbs me the most about the Paulson Bailout Plan is that the Treasury is DEEPLY OPPOSED to requiring that the US Government get a "provisional equity stake" from any of the companies that we buy junk assets from. I cannot believe this. The whole point of a provisional equity stake would be to PROTECT the US Taxpayer from ending up losing our shirts on this mess. The only explanation I can imagine for Paulson, and the administration, to be opposed to doing this is that they WANT the US Taxpayer to eat the cost of this bailout of these fat cat bankers and their stockholders. The way they are trying to structure this thing, we wouldn't get paid back even 5 or 10 years from now, no matter how prosperous these companies become again in the interim. If the Treasury had any interest AT ALL in the US taxpayer not getting stuck with the bill they would WELCOME, NO, DEMAND, that the US get an equity stake, or better yet a senior secured debt stake in each and every one of these companies for the entire amount of any loss we would realize trying to sell these things down the road. For the US to bail these companies out and then get stuck with the loss down the road is WRONG, deeply and COMPLETELY WRONG. For the Treasury to oppose this measure leaves me doubting their good faith. The stockholders, the executives and the bondholders of these companies are the ones who should pay for the consequences of their actions, not the US taxpayer.
    2008 Sep 24 03:06 AM | Link | Reply
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    Well said dlr.

    The thieves should get nothing. I would like someone to show us the profits that the companies involved in the bailout made from 2005 through 2007. I would also like to know the bonuses that their employees made during that same time.
    2008 Sep 24 03:22 AM | Link | Reply
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    Yowsuh! Right on, David. Thank you.
    2008 Sep 24 03:57 AM | Link | Reply
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    the BAILOUT looks like a grab..it don smell right!
    2008 Sep 24 04:27 AM | Link | Reply
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    Bailout is a joke, as they refuse to let companies that should fail, fail, and new ones that were run correctly to fill the void. Since not 1 dollar of debt due from the masses is EVER excused, you can see the frustration of the American taxpayer. American taxpayer should refuse to pay their taxes next year, see how quick they sing a different tune.
    2008 Sep 24 06:44 AM | Link | Reply
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    Im not going to agree to any plan enacted by this corrupt regime and lameduck "leaders" of our economy(Paulson already said when hes quitting).
    2008 Sep 24 06:45 AM | Link | Reply
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    I think the it is a little beyond the average investor to make such a determination. It is very maddening for all of us but isn't the damage really at the asset/liability level not the compensation level or expenses. Though we all wish it was this simple that the total compensation of these clowns would erase the issue or help resovle it It really has no material effect on the trillions of Fannie Mae that are now weighing down our future generations as obligations. Hopefully people are going to become emboldened to look at how politician promises for future benefits all end up having the being the same liability and someone is going to have make decisions instead of promises.
    2008 Sep 24 08:26 AM | Link | Reply
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    W
    2008 Sep 24 08:56 AM | Link | Reply
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    paulson is a crook
    2008 Sep 24 09:22 AM | Link | Reply
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    paulson playing scare tactics so he can save his wall st buddies. And now we gotta pay. Stand up and fight Paulson
    2008 Sep 24 09:23 AM | Link | Reply
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    The treasury should structure their bailout deals EXACTLY as Warren Buffet has done with Goldman. A solid interest rate with preference over existing shareholders, plus options to purchase stock at the currenlty depressed price.

    Buffet is using his vast amount of money to make more money for his stakeholders. Why shouldn't the federal government do the same for its stakeholders - the taxpayers?
    2008 Sep 24 09:52 AM | Link | Reply
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    TO BAIL OR NOT TO BAIL
    (Adapted from William Shakespeare's Hamlet)
    (WilliamBanzai7)

    To Bail, or not to Bail, that is the question:
    Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
    The slings and arrows of outrageous loss of fortune,
    Or to take arms against a sea of financial troubles
    And by opposing end them. To die—to sleep,
    No more; and by a sleep to say we end
    The heart-ache and the billion market shocks
    That investor hubris is heir to: 'tis a consummation
    Devoutly to be wish'd. To die, to sleep;
    To sleep, perchance to dream—ay, there's the rub:
    For in that sleep of death what dreams may come,
    When we have shuffled off this market coil,
    Must give us pause—there's the respect
    That makes calamity of so long life.
    For who would bear the whips and scorns of time,
    The CEO banker's wrong, the proud man's contumely,
    The pangs of write offs, the law's delay,
    The insolence of office, and the spurns
    That patient merit of th'unworthy takes,
    When he himself might his quietus make
    With a bare quill? Who would Federal oversight bear,
    To grunt and sweat under an ordinary life,
    But that the dread of something after death,
    The undiscovere'd country, from whose bourn
    No traveller returns, puzzles the will,
    And makes us rather bear those ills we have
    Than fly to others that we know not of?
    Thus conscience does make cowards of us all,
    And thus the familiar hue of resolution trust
    Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought,
    And enterprises of great pitch and moment
    With this regard their currents turn awry
    And lose the name of action.
    2008 Sep 24 11:02 AM | Link | Reply
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    "Warring against [the principles] of the people,... there is no length to which [the delusion of the people] may not be pushed by a party in possession of the revenues and the legal authorities of the United States, for a short time indeed, but yet long enough to admit much particular mischief. There is no event, therefore, however atrocious which may not be expected." --Thomas Jefferson to Samuel Smith, 1798.
    2008 Sep 24 01:18 PM | Link | Reply
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    I'm having a very hard time believing that the democrats are buying into this crap! This is GRAND EXTORTION!
    Does the phrase "opposition party" have any meaning? Where is there ANY COURAGE?
    I am still going to vote for Obama, because he is the most obvious leader by intelligence and energy hands-down, but this all so sobering.
    What’s going to happen next week?
    They threw Enron’s Jeffrey Schilling in prison for what again? These are infinitely worse crimes. These perverted companies purposely, by very clever design, hid the true value of what they were peddling. Buyer beware should be replaced by prison beware.
    2008 Sep 24 03:52 PM | Link | Reply
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    Yes! yes! yes! yes!
    Leave wall st alone.
    let the market sort out the mess.
    this is just a grab for money / power based on scare tactics / fear.
    Historically, very common.

    If intervention is justified, there are a lot better ways to implement it.
    Paulson / Bernanke have demonstrated a level of market twitchiness not compatible with their jobs.
    2008 Sep 24 04:03 PM | Link | Reply
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    It's really simple. Rather than giving the funds to the vampires on Wall Street, give $700B to each American family. Allow us to pay down debt and/or put into savings. Those deposits and bad debt reductions will take care of fixing the bank's balance sheets and will give them enough resources to start lending again. It's not that complicated.
    2008 Sep 24 04:31 PM | Link | Reply
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    Buffet got the prefered stocks and a 10% dividend,
    and US households will get the scrap... what a deal !
    2008 Sep 24 05:22 PM | Link | Reply
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    Congress is putting lipstick on a pig trying to focus taxpayer's attention on executive compensation. This is not the $$ issue when we are looking at a $700 billion blank check book balance. If Paulson were to buy bank assets at above current market price, my understanding is that the proceeds would go back into his checking account so that he could continue buying worthless assets at above market prices. $700 billion is only the limit of the checkbook balance not the amount of losses that Paulson could incur on taxpayer's behalf. Today he says the expenditures would be "investments" "assets".
    As miclone83 said structure the taxpayer bailout the same as Buffet's purchase of Goldman. Why shouldn't the US taxpayers get as good a deal?
    Kill the Treasury Plan and Don't Settle For Congress Limiting Executive Compensation (Lipstick On A Pig)
    2008 Sep 24 08:36 PM | Link | Reply
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    Let the IRRESPONSIBLE, RECKLESS WALL STREET CEO's and the COMPANIES THEY BANKRUPTED FAIL. Let them fail. These companies are organized crime syndicates and they are now trying to steal ONE TRILLION DOLLARS from hardworking Americans. JUST SAY "NO." HELL NO !!!!!! Call your congressmen NOW and say "HELL NO."
    2008 Sep 24 09:45 PM | Link | Reply
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    Yes, concur with the diversion theme. Wall St had to know there would be limits on comp, but you bid high and 'compromise' that away. Meanwhile, the equity stake is not even on the radar of Main St, at least so far. Likely because it's simpler to understand 'cut their pay' than the idea of equity vs. bondholding vs. pure gifting....the last being the primary intent of the TFT (Treasuries for Trash) program under consideration.
    2008 Sep 24 11:23 PM | Link | Reply
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    miclone83, because the "taxpayers" (most Americans pay virtually nothing) have very little skin in the game. The bondholders are in control on this one, as they always are in a bankruptcy situation, and they are looking to get control of America on the cheap.
    2008 Sep 25 12:58 AM | Link | Reply
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    Its tea party time.

    There is only one way to make the crooks pay on Wall Street and Washington DC.

    Pay no taxes

    After all we do pay their wages and they are rotten employees.

    We can fire them all.
    No more taxes.
    2008 Sep 25 01:05 AM | Link | Reply
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    Seeking alpha is a shorts hangout. Of course a seeking alpha commentator is going to advocate an action that would cause a dramatic selloff in the market (to say the least). Wake up ignorami.
    2008 Sep 25 04:08 AM | Link | Reply
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    I say vote against every Senator and every Congressman who approves the bailout, be they Democrat or Republican. Bush is out either way. We obviously need a WHOLE NEW CONGRESS, too.

    As to not paying taxes, let's all take our example from Charlie Rangel and just "forget" to pay them.
    2008 Sep 25 05:31 AM | Link | Reply
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