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Stocks discussed in the in-depth session of Jim Cramer’s Mad Money TV program, Monday, September 29.

Depression Part 2

The plummeting Dow means that there’s great value to be found under certain conditions. Only companies that don’t need to borrow money to do business, and who make a product that people will buy no matter how bad the economy, can be owned right now. If a company needs cash, avoid it. If the product’s even slightly consumer discretionary, stay away. Then wait for a decline of between 5% and 8%. The strongest stocks of the strongest companies tend to bottom here, he said. Tomorrow should bring another bad day in the market, and that could give investors a chance to put their money to work – the very cash Cramer’s recently been urging them to raise. But only buy if the stock meets the aforementioned qualifications. Otherwise, sit on your hands, Cramer said. He urged viewers not to pull their money from the market, even at these levels. “Today’s 777-point drop was just the beginning,” Cramer said. “Now is not the time to put your money at risk. It’s time to protect your nest egg.” Because the bailout plan didn’t pass, “the Great Depression II is back on the table,” he said.

Shame on Steel - JPMorgan’s (JPM), Washington Mutual’s (WM), Wachovia (WB)

Just two weeks ago, Wachovia CEO Bob Steel was on Mad Money and said that out of $500 billion in loans on the bank’s books, only $10 billion were bad. Today, Citigroup bought Wachovia “for a pittance,” Cramer said, because the actual total was $42 billion. The FDIC was about to seize Wachovia. Cramer’s not calling Steel a liar. He believes that Steel believed. After all, the CEO bought $16 million worth of Wachovia stock on the open market and never hedged with options. And Steel wasn’t at the helm when Wachovia made those bad loans. Cramer allowed for the fact that maybe Steel didn’t yet have systems in place to properly value the loans. The final nail in the coffin, though, was probably JPMorgan’s massive devaluation of Washington Mutual’s loans. The numbers were much lower than those at which Wachovia was valuing its own portfolio, and many of the loans were comparable to WaMu’s. Once that happened, Cramer said, “Wachovia was toast.” Cramer was mad at himself for letting his viewers down. He trusted Steel, whom he’s known as a solid financier for 25 years. Cramer said that he should have been more critical, more skeptical during a time like this but he wasn’t. “I let you down,” Cramer said.

Lack of transparency - Citigroup (C), Lehman Brothers (LEHMQ)

What else went wrong? How could Steel have been in a position where he could come on the show and tout his, more or less, healthy bundle of loans? The SEC and multiple bank examiners all signed off on Wachovia’s books. Even Steel, a former number two at Treasury, couldn’t see how bad his own balance sheet was. If the truth about Wachovia’s bad loans had been on the books, then there would have been no way Steel could have been so positive about his bank’s situation. The only thing investors can trust is a company’s financials, like Lehman Brothers, Wachovia’s financials “just didn’t reflect reality.” Cramer thought that if Paulson’s plan passed, and there’s no guarantee that will happen now, then Wachovia could dump its troubled assets on the government and move forward with its deposits and good loans. Maybe Steel who was ever bullish as all CEOs are, took advantage of Cramer. But in the end, Cramer said he is the last line of defense for Homegamers, and he holds himself responsible. As for Bob Steel, he has to be held accountable in his own right. And for not knowing just how in trouble his bank was, and watching Citigroup snatch it up at a huge discount, the CEO has been added to the Mad Money Wall of Shame.

Worth Considering – Lender Processing Services (LPS), First American (FAF)

Even when the market drops 778 points, there are stocks worth considering. In fact, Lender Processing Services does well because Wall Street took such a hard hit on Monday. Remember, mortgages are at the center of this market mess, and Lender Processing Services makes part of its money through default-management services, which involves helping banks with foreclosures and property inspections. After Congress today voted down Paulson’s bailout plan, there’s a good chance we’ll be seeing even more foreclosures in the near future. These default services made up 16% of LPS’s 2005 revenues, but by 2007 the number had jumped to 28%. And while the company’s closest competitor, First American, saw its business grow 44% year-over-year in the second quarter, LPS grew by 100%. Even if Congress does finally agree on a bailout, LPS could still work. There’s a 12 month to 18 month lag between a borrower default and when the company stops making money. So revenues should carry the business through much of 2009. Cramer doesn’t agree with LPS’s assessment that defaults won’t slow until 2011, but in a worst-case scenario, that’s just more reason to consider the stock. Add to this that the third quarter is about to end and with it come rate resets on adjustable-rate mortgages. There’s a good chance more foreclosures will follow as homeowners struggle to keep up with increased mortgage payments, and that means more business for LPS. Keep in mind, too, that LPS also handles the other side of foreclosures – mortgage creation. So even if the plan passes, and housing finds a bottom and people feel safe enough to buy again, then LPS will, again, see more business. The same goes for the rate resets. Those could just as well lead to more refinancing as opposed to foreclosures, leading banks to call on LPS for its services. The one drawback, Cramer said, is that bank consolidation could lead to a loss of customers for LPS. But then again, that means opportunity, too. Bank of America had planned to use Countrywide’s internal mortgage-processing system, which would have cost LPS $50 million a year in sales. But LPS is trying to win back that business, along with Countrywide’s, which would add $60 million $70 million in sales to the books. Bank of America or not, defaults aren’t going away, Cramer said. And it’s actually cheaper for banks to use LPS than it is for them to process these mortgages and foreclosures themselves. Then there’s the agreement New York’s attorney general made with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac that they could only buy loans from banks that use independent means for appraising homes, i.e., use companies like LPS. LPS trades at just 11 times earnings because of a pullback due to that fear of bank consolidation. But given the current market situation, Cramer thinks investors will get an even better entry point. He urged them to wait for it.

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    Cramer is an idiot
    2008 Sep 29 10:14 PM | Link | Reply
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    "I let you down."

    So why does Cramer get so much press, anyway? Touts have been with us for ever. He's only the latest.


    2008 Sep 29 10:15 PM | Link | Reply
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    Well All i have to say is a rooting system.

    People let down . made poorer.

    who is responsible. Those who present the balance sheet of banks companies. Those who make it. Those Audit firms which certify them
    are to be crucified first.

    People are cheated by these Audit firms and controller and regulators
    of stocks which allow theses kind of statements without checking the fundamentals.

    God save this universe..
    2008 Sep 29 10:25 PM | Link | Reply
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    The rich get richer,the poor and middleclass get the dirty end of thestick.But hasn't that been the pattern since time began.So the moral of the story is get rich any which way you can.
    2008 Sep 29 10:45 PM | Link | Reply
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    hey lamozoid if you were wrong on all your other predictions, what kind of moron would listen to you now?
    2008 Sep 30 01:24 AM | Link | Reply
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    Very disappointed and a little poorer but still hopeful
    2008 Sep 30 02:01 AM | Link | Reply
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    not so fast, looks like Wachovia sold the toxic waste and uncertainties in its banking related subsidiaries and retain the good ones with stockholder preservation, that is an excellent move from Wachovia considering that congress stab the bail out bill. Now Wachovia book value is a lot better than before with practically no debt and good book value.
    2008 Sep 30 05:56 AM | Link | Reply
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    Now that Wachovia got rid off the prior toxic risky wasted banking subsidiaries it can start from scratch to build a new banking subsidiary without toxic risky wasted lending after the market stabilizes.
    2008 Sep 30 08:06 AM | Link | Reply
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    Beyond disappointed with Crammer, CNBC and Poulson... Some of the short term money makers (after 90% ++ loss) have been Stocks we were assured that were in good standing e.g. Poulson on FNM and Crammer on WB... Crammer and CNBC can get away this based on their "warning" on the investments but what responsibility does the gov't have when Poulson's makes multiple statements assuring that FNM was not in trouble? I as many others were sucked into these and other stocks by "assurances"... I as many others lost our investments by such advise and large sums of money were made after the fall...Humm... should of, could of and would of but the market scared me off... Anyway, would like to know if or when the gov't is going to step up to Poulson's statements on FNM...
    2008 Sep 30 08:23 AM | Link | Reply
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    hey truth seeker here is the truth - you will not get your FNM investment back and paulsons comments were only said to give confidence back to the markets not as investment advice (little secret :the banks are insolvent that is why they dont lend to each other) - even after this poorly planned and non-solution of a bailout passes there is more to come - The truth hurts and the bottom of this fiasco is way down -best case scenario when this is done is $1 will buy you a 5 cent piece of gum
    2008 Sep 30 08:55 AM | Link | Reply
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    looks like Ishortyou owns a lot of shares of Wachovia.Sincere condoleances Ishortyou ,sorry but you won t find a bigger fool here.
    2008 Sep 30 09:36 AM | Link | Reply
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    If insiders like Cramer and analysts cannot get it right, who can? People should stop watching his show, invest in ETF's and Mutual funds and hope for the best. Anything else is gambling. Diversify! Diversify! Diversify!
    2008 Sep 30 10:17 AM | Link | Reply
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    Cramer has been praising WB sice it was at 50. There are so many of his recomendations like this one that it is absurd. He is as bad as his CEO friends that have caused this whole mess.
    2008 Sep 30 10:21 AM | Link | Reply
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    Looks like Wachovia can start from scratch to build a new banking subsidiary with safe practice together with its remaining good outstanding subsidiaries. The current subsidiaries of Wachovia make it look like "Merrill Lynch without the toxic risky waste", Wachovia will keep the valuable human resources and the talent that have expirience in the banking business saving them for the new banking subsidiary.
    2008 Sep 30 10:47 AM | Link | Reply
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    Cramer is a tool of the wall street greedheads ... too bad, he occasionally does have insight into the inner workings of a few investment possibilities.

    Cramer crying "run for the hills, its the Great Depression II" because the public let congress know how it felt about bailing out his buddies, is not conducive to better, freer markets, just government controlled markets.

    Jim, get your head straightened out and we will check back next week.
    2008 Sep 30 01:01 PM | Link | Reply
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    I removed "Mad money" from my DVR record list, Cramer is not good for market, where was he when Gold was @ 72 , he is askiing to buy gold @ 92!!!!!!!
    2008 Sep 30 01:07 PM | Link | Reply
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    Mr. Steel ought to revisit cramer's program and profess the truth about WB's financial condition if he provided misinfo. I believed the presentation and purchased 3000 WB shares. Not a word from him regarding the transfer of assets to C. Don't you think Mr Steel owes us that much?
    2008 Sep 30 01:09 PM | Link | Reply
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    Auditors of these firms should be hanged !!! these big four should be dismantled !
    2008 Sep 30 01:10 PM | Link | Reply
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    orange2tango, Where do you think a few $billion of this bail-out bill are going? Lifetime security details for these clowns and their families, multi-million bribes for some of the Representatives to change their votes and building a giant reinforced concrete cave they will all live in when this falls apart and anarchy comes. I doubt the security details will be enough or bunkers dug deep enough.
    2008 Sep 30 02:30 PM | Link | Reply
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    It should seem obvious that Jim Cramer's shhtick is aimed at college kids, rather than adults. He packs 'em in at his college tour stops. Little kids love him, with all the shouting and sounds effects.

    But why would any grown-up pay attention to what he thinks about a particular stock? Much of his advice -- about diversification, etc., is quite sound, and his knowledge and total recall of thousands of stocks is absolutely amazing.

    But his judgment is often flawed, his emotional age is that of a child (I can't recall exactly which age has temper tantrums), and his presentation is, by design and perhaps also by nature, that of an insecure teenager doing whatever it takes to get attention -- Rule No. One. being, "When in doubt, SHOUT!"

    Questions:

    As far as character goes, did you notice how he kept saying. "I let you down," but then transferring all the blame to Steel by adding, "I let you down because I believed Steel."

    Questions:

    * Is that what you call a stand-up guy?

    * I wonder how he behaves in a restaurant when he doesn't like the service or the food?

    * Would you invite this man to your house for dinner?

    Poor Jim (Getting poorer and wiser day by day)
    2008 Sep 30 03:40 PM | Link | Reply
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    When you speculate, you get burned. I have to agree with Freemarketeer, except I wouldn't even buy mutual funds. Put together a broad based portfolio of ETFs with the lowest fees you can find and rebalance annually. Then set aside a few bux to gamble if you so choose. It's not possible to predict the direction of an individual stock over time absent inside information.
    2008 Sep 30 06:13 PM | Link | Reply
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    When you speculate, you get burned. I have to agree with Freemarketeer, except I wouldn't even buy mutual funds. Put together a broad based portfolio of ETFs with the lowest fees you can find and rebalance annually. Then set aside a few bux to gamble if you so choose. It's not possible to predict the direction of an individual stock over time absent inside information.
    2008 Sep 30 06:15 PM | Link | Reply
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    The biggest question on investors' minds is what is the remaining value of that company -- what is it worth and what are the prospects of the remaining business operations," says Todd Hagerman, an analyst at Credit Suisse. "They just haven't given us a lot of detail. We don't have any sense of the capital structureAndrew Marquardt, an analyst at Fox-Pitt, Kelton Cochran Caronia Waller, wrote in a note Tuesday morning that "[w]e found the disclosure on this deal to be one of the worst we can recall of a major transaction."

    "With such little detail and no communication yet by Wachovia, we have made several assumptions across three different approaches to arrive at franchise value for remaining Wachovia shareholders of about $1.40 a share," but that could range widely from a negative $2.13 a share upward to $5.77 a share, according to the note
    2008 Sep 30 06:32 PM | Link | Reply
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    The biggest question on investors' minds is what is the remaining value of that company -- what is it worth and what are the prospects of the remaining business operations," says Todd Hagerman, an analyst at Credit Suisse. "They just haven't given us a lot of detail. We don't have any sense of the capital structureAndrew Marquardt, an analyst at Fox-Pitt, Kelton Cochran Caronia Waller, wrote in a note Tuesday morning that "[w]e found the disclosure on this deal to be one of the worst we can recall of a major transaction."

    "With such little detail and no communication yet by Wachovia, we have made several assumptions across three different approaches to arrive at franchise value for remaining Wachovia shareholders of about $1.40 a share," but that could range widely from a negative $2.13 a share upward to $5.77 a share, according to the note
    2008 Sep 30 06:32 PM | Link | Reply
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    Cramer is just one more tool available to us, but beware of his musings and take them with a grain of salt. Don't let him be the deciding factor for you when investing.
    2008 Sep 30 06:47 PM | Link | Reply
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    why do you devalue this site with "cramers" advice. I request SA editor watch don harrold on you tube, who does an excellent job of rebuttal to cramers great calls.
    2008 Sep 30 08:06 PM | Link | Reply
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    I'm not sure how long Cramer has been investing in stocks and how much wealth he built. But, in order for us to be a successful long-term investor like the Oracle, we must learn from the Oracle. Dear Cramer, would you please see two things (Greatest FEAR and Greatest HOPE) with your two eyes? Why do you see only one thing (Greatest FEAR) with your two eyes? Dear Cramer, please do not dodge when the FEAR nears you. Clinch your teeth and have the pressure from the FEAR pass you. Because right behind the FEAR comes along the HOPE. Would you please listen to the advice from the Oracle just once and practice it to increase your risk tolerance? When Dow plunged yesterday, I bought more stocks of the company the Oracle owns. That stock went straight up today. I feel so thankful to God because now I firmly believe the Oracle was sent by God to us to show the path to wealth.
    2008 Sep 30 08:32 PM | Link | Reply
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    pls help me i want to die i lost 150000 on the wachovia deal with citi iam a new investor and i thought cramer would never get me this messed up was this info about steel out to read about before the fire sale now the fcc wants to bring back circut breaker protection and mark to market ineed to talk to anyone who can help me to cope with this loss before i lose it i dont feel the share holders got a fair shake we might as well beeb robbed with a gun any who is the same boat as me pls e mail me for my phone # so we can talk about what happend paulscholar@att.net
    2008 Oct 01 06:00 AM | Link | Reply
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    I agree with all of the above. Its unbelievable all the press that Jim Cramer gets, being one of the lousiest investors I've seen. I did sign up to his Action Alert Plus service at thestreet.com, were you can follow his trading live in his charity portfolio. I did write a number of emails to thestreet.com asking about past performance before I signed up, but did not get any answer at all. That should have been a warning sign... His performance for the last six years is around six percent annually! Beaten badly by most averages. And that from the bragger that claims he had an annualized performance of 40% in his hedgefund.

    Get outta here Cramer,
    2008 Oct 01 10:28 AM | Link | Reply
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    I didn't pay much attention to his calls, but I've always disliked his retarded personality. He appeals to idiots. The booyah school of investing. However, after watching a Don Harold clip on YouTube, it became clear exactly how duplicitous he is. If you make specific calls on what to buy and what NOT to buy one day, and then one week later (after your calls have been proven exactly wrong) pretend as if you had made the opposite calls...you are either insane, a complete moron, or a total fraud. Which do you think is the case here?
    2008 Oct 01 11:59 AM | Link | Reply
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    I can't believe this story about the CNBC corporate puppet is still here. Last time I saw him he looked like he had just been told he'll get a pink slip if he and his buddies CNBC don't hype the market 20 percent.
    2008 Oct 01 03:02 PM | Link | Reply
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    tshk1221: To answer your question... It's apparent Cramer never quit his day job. LOL!
    2008 Oct 01 03:03 PM | Link | Reply
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    Jackangel: You need another option. ALL OF THE ABOVE.
    2008 Oct 01 03:05 PM | Link | Reply
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    Sorry to hear that scholar..

    1. Never listen to TV stock masters. They are showpersons, not a rich stock investor.
    2. Never listen to chart masters. They are picture drawers, not a rich stock investor.

    Scholar, if you want some important stock investment tips from me, send me a response, Yes, and I will get you some tips that might help you. Some of the examples of tips you will get from me will be:

    1. Keep the first mistake forever. It will be a Father. Keep the second mistake forever. It will be a Mother. Keep the third mistake. It will be your son. Keep the third mistake. It will be your daughter. Without mistakes, there are no successes. Mistakes make successes. Successes will make mistakes. Keep the stocks you buy forever. Never sell them. Do you want to sell your Father? Do you want to sell your beloved son and daughter to the wolves in the stock market?
    2. TIME = WEALTH. Only TIME will give your WEALTH when you hold them forever (TIME).

    And so on..Let me know, Scholar.
    2008 Oct 01 04:37 PM | Link | Reply
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    Recap of Jim Cramer's Wachovia (WB) calls:

    investmentscientist.co.../
    2008 Oct 01 11:44 PM | Link | Reply