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Alan Greenspan's calling a bottom:

Former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan said financial markets and the economy will recover "sooner rather than later" from the worst turmoil in seven decades.

"Trust will eventually reemerge as investors dip hesitantly back into the marketplace," Greenspan said today in a speech at Georgetown University's law school in Washington. "From that point, history tells us, financial and economic revival sets in. I suspect it will be sooner rather than later."

Greenspan has always suffered from a surfeit of optimism -- that's what allowed him to cut interest rates well below Nairu. But he's never even pretended to be a market timer -- until now. Maybe he thinks he's being helpful, or constructive. He isn't.

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    This guy is more protective of his legacy than Bill Clinton. The "maestro" got us into this mess with his easy-money policy that fed right into the hands of Franklin Raines and Acorn while simultaneously debasing our currency and punishing savers.

    Somebody needs to shut him up.
    2008 Oct 03 12:49 PM | Link | Reply
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    Easy money has nothing to do with it. He and many others warned about overvalued real estate. If I offer you a loan with good terms, you take it and can't pay it back, are you going to come back and blame me? If anything, the problems today have more to do poor hedging practices resulting from very bad incentive structures and a lack of transparency in valuation.

    One related reason that is really underemphasized is that it takes practice and experience to learn how to value new products. Sometimes it takes a few big stumbles. Because of those bad incentives, optimism usually wins over, until the lesson is learned. Same thing happened with Internet stocks in the '90s - now the market is much better at valuating them. Hopefully, the market will get a handle on CDOs as a result of this experience.
    2008 Oct 03 01:05 PM | Link | Reply
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    $700B from the taxpayers seems like an awfully expensive lesson for the market to "get a handle on CDOs."
    2008 Oct 03 01:29 PM | Link | Reply
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    Greenspan should be exiled.
    2008 Oct 03 01:51 PM | Link | Reply
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    @pryloslice: easy money has *everything* to do with it!! What the hell do you think subprime lending *is*?? By definition, money was too easy for people who were not creditworthy of that money! *That* is what drove up real-estate to overvalued levels -- the faux participation in the market of those who could not sustain their participation except during "best possible" conditions...including subsidization.

    As for lack of transparency in valuation...anything but! Mark to market puts too much "transparency" on the valuations -- forcing banks to holler to the world that values are down to x% of initial value...when in fact the market is just momentarily disfunctional and *real* value should only be assigned farther into the future over the actual life of the asset.

    This bailout only plays that game further into the ground -- by propping up bad mortgages, preventing foreclosures on bad mortgagees, and resetting bank balance sheets to enable further lending.
    2008 Oct 03 01:52 PM | Link | Reply
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    To raising4daughters,

    I feel half your pain--I'm raising just two.

    What if the handle is broken after the $700 billion gets injected to the markets?

    I don't know that $700 billion is enough money.

    If the typical leverage on a mortgage backed security is 10:1, then for every $100 million outstanding there would be $1 trillion in counterparty and swap risk.

    I don't know what the typical leverage is, though, Does anyone?
    2008 Oct 03 02:01 PM | Link | Reply
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    billddrummer - that was in the back of my mind too; though this market is far too interesting to spend much time on the thought. As huge as $700B is it may not be near enough. I think this is Paulson's way of priming the pump - jack up the prices and let every else mark to the market and hope it stays positive until poor John or Obama gets to deal with the mess.
    2008 Oct 03 02:11 PM | Link | Reply
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    Interesting that the timeframes inherent in the "fix it" discussion are so short. oldgoldbug implies the 'fix' is intended to get us through the next couple months. Odds are probably pretty good he's right, or if not, very close.

    It's apparent that nobody in the government or Congress is thinking about the long term impacts of policy changes. It's all about "saving" things today.

    Shen was the last time Congress thought several years out about anything except paying off today's spending?
    2008 Oct 03 02:39 PM | Link | Reply
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    Greenspan knows better, he's acutally very smart. He seems to be one of those guys who knows he's smart but doesn't realize how much he doesn't know.

    Either that or he was smoking something before he gave that speech.
    2008 Oct 03 02:41 PM | Link | Reply
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    He could be right, but it is not likely. I agree that he is indeed the 7th wonder of the world of economics. He seems to feel that V shaped recoveries are a law of physics applicable to all changes in state. What worries me is how long can the economy sustain job losses like today's numbers. I suspect not long without massive Congressional spending. Where disinflation or deflation seems possible, it might be that fiscal stimulus will give us stagflation. Alan, is that possible???
    2008 Oct 03 03:21 PM | Link | Reply
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    @ Socialismcannotcompete... Either the mark-to-market prices of mortgages are too low and the mortgages are actually not as bad as everyone thinks, or the mortgages are bad and the MTM prices are right. You can't have it both ways. I tend to think it's more the former, and that's what I mean by lack of transparency in pricing. Sure, the market prices have a lot of error in them, but how can you value these securities? That still doesn't mean that you let the owners of the security assign a value to them.

    If I'm buying a used car from you, you might be the person best informed about its qualities, problems, and condition, but I'm still going to look up the blue book price and use that as a guide. I don't know you, and you have every incentive to overvalue that car. I know that in the end, the cash flows will bring everything to equilibrium anyway, but it seems that in this case we have a short-term liquidity problem in a highly volatile situation. And I don't want to risk my money on the fact that your guess about value is better than the market value. If it is, then why aren't you doubling up by buying up all the mortgage-backed securities you can?

    And the fact is, neither Paulson nor Greenspan have any idea what the market value of those mortgages is. It'll change tremendously with inflation, interest rates, real estate prices, and the credit rating of the borrowers. Paulson is playing it safe and calling a panic, because that's the only way he'll get the resources before the end of the Bush administration to plug the short-term liquidity hole. Greenspan's probably just guessing that every psychologically-driven underinformed bull or bear market has to reach a peak of mania. And it looks like we're getting there fast.
    2008 Oct 03 04:38 PM | Link | Reply
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    I watched nearly every one of his hearing comments on CSPAN as they happened. Between obfuscations, he most certainly gave many reassurances that the new types of mortgages and securities were good innovations and examples of a healthy modern financial market.
    2008 Oct 03 04:45 PM | Link | Reply
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    "Half of what I have learned, I previously believed to be false." "I learn something new every day." These are Greenspam's own words. When and if the smoke ever clears he will get the bulk of the credit for crippling our economy and that of world. It's obvious the sub-prime loans and greed by all caused the problem. He set it up by lowering interest rates to near zero, then methodically ran it up. What was his idea with that, knowing there were millions of loans on over valued property with floating interest? Expressed above is the idea that property is now under valued. I agree with this, particularly considering the high rate of inflation we've had since this began. I saw this mess starting after 9/11/01 when our county commissioners went to bed with the development community. Now we have thousands of new homes, some unfinished, ghost sub-divisions and shopping centers in one county sitting vacant, as if they were built for an invasion of wealthy Martians. We have to give our local and state governments credit for the idea that all growth is good. Believe it or not, they are still conducting business as usual. Property assessments went up, in my county last year. It is with deep appreciation that I thank Bush, Paulson, The FED, and Congress for understanding this crisis a month ago and fixing it in three weeks. The solution to print more money, drive the dollar down and inflation up is as stupid as the eloquent speaking Greenspam. The real problem started when American industry relied on advertising to sell worthless, ignorant and inferior products. I have yet to see anyone's tax plan address the waste and stupidity of the advertising industry. Capping advertising tax write-offs of a company to the level spent for research and development would greatly improve the quality of all American products, including advertising, which is currently geared to lowering the average American IQ to zero.
    2008 Oct 04 10:02 AM | Link | Reply
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    No I agree with you Felix. I think it would be better if Greenspan just kept his trap shut. It's patently clear that his actions as Fed Chairman contributed significantly to the disasterous situation the world now confronts so it is hardly likely he has the solution. Maybe instead of trying to exonerate himself, he should issue a "mea culpa" and depart the scene.
    2008 Oct 04 11:56 AM | Link | Reply
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    Agree wholeheartedly with raising4daughters and venividvici et al.... I never really did appreciate Greenspan. He reminded me more of Punxatawney Phil, the groundhog, popping up once in awhile with an obscure pronouncement. Nor did I understand the desire to read his memoirs. I just wish he'd pull a Bin-Laden and evaporate. Maybe Bush could 'bring the head' of Greenspan in time for the November election.

    jegan ;-)

    2008 Oct 04 03:40 PM | Link | Reply
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    First, let's be clear that Fannie and Freddie were never guaranteed by the government. The bailout of these two was completely optional. We were likely blackmailed into it by the Chinese, Saudis, Japanese and British, who hold CDOs issued by those esteemed government sponsored enterprises, which are essentially private companies. If we don't bail our foreign partners out, they don't buy our treasury bills, of which we need to sell a couple of billion dollars daily in order to finance a couple of wars here and there -- and the billion dollars we gave to Georgia for "good will."

    Second, this bailout is a Ponzi scheme, make no mistake. We bail out the banks. This raises bank stock prices. That allows the banks to borrow more money against the higher priced stocks. We also buy up their toxic assets (at above market value, a market value which has been criticized as "fire sale prices," but is actually just the real, fair market value, similar to any other illiquid asset from farmers fields to antiques to collectible coins). They take the cash and (we hope) loan it out. Actually, they take the cash and invest it overseas just as fast as they can, and let the U.S. economy go down the tubes, but who's counting?

    The banks have higher stock prices, so they borrow money from the greater fool (indirectly, the taxpayer) against the higher asset values. Then they loan out money by issuing new credit cards (haven't you received a boatload of offers in the past few months of our "crisis?") They hope the credit card holders will stretch themselves out into 20% interest, which is far more profitable than the few percent they would get on mortgages. So they don't write mortgages or make commercial loans (yet I thought those were the point of the bailout exercise).

    Then the feds will figure this out, after a few months and a few more percent unemployment and mortgage defaults. They will demand that the banks make mortgage loans. The banks will do this, but only if each and every new mortgage under any terms will be bought by Fannie or Freddie (which is to say, by the taxpayers). So now they will make bad loans again, and sell the toxic paper to us while making a profit doing that. For a short time this will stabilize home prices, until the new mortgage holders start to go bankrupt due to the economic recession that is upon us and will get worse. However, the banks are off the hook. They will get rich. Only the taxpayers will suffer.

    Some might say, "but wait, we can get an equity stake in the banks." First of all, that is not required by the law. Do you think Paulson is going to strong-arm his Wall Street colleagues, when chances are good he's going back there in January? Also, some of the banks are on the brink anyway. They'll milk the deal and pay their executives as much as they can. The law, contrary to the "summary" reports by talking heads, does not stop golden parachutes or large bonuses. It only stops their deduction as expenses above $500,000. There is a lot of wiggle room for the banks to pay big money, one way or another, then go under and have their executives walk away rich. But maybe that's why we call it a bailout, rather than an economic recovery package: because we know what it really is.

    I don't think the new law will work. It doesn't provide incentives for loaning money. All it does is recapitalize the banks somewhat at taxpayer expense. It would have been far better, in my view, to just require the Fed to make loans to all banks through the discount window for mortgage refinancing and local commercial loans only and to capitalize the Fed with the $700 billion, except that we loan it to them at interest, not just give it for free. The Fed (a private, for-profit bank) might find that strange, because currently when the government wants to issue money, it borrows it from the Fed at interest. But turnabout is fair play, after all.

    As far as Greenspan is concerned, I have nothing against him. Smart people can be wrong. But I think he should have stuck to music and left economics to those who were better at it.




    2008 Oct 05 02:11 AM | Link | Reply
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    The traitor Greenspan set us up for this fall and I think he is realizing it will be a lot worse than he had planned. "Sir Alan" (the acceptance of British honors shows who his masters are) really screwed the pooch this time. I wish him a natural and peaceful death, but sooner in the ground would be better. There will be a lot of homeless people that will need someplace to pi$$.
    2008 Oct 05 07:36 AM | Link | Reply
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    The riddeler strikes again...........
    2008 Oct 05 09:37 AM | Link | Reply
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    This disaster can not come full circle until all participants in both public and private sectors are objectively investigated, prosecuted if necessary, and if found to be guilty of criminal activity, find themselves in orange jump suits for a long, long time and ordered to pay restitution with forfeiture of the wealth they unjustly bestowed upon themselves.

    Those in the public sector deemed to be compliciant by demonstrating bad judgement and dereliction of duty need to be replaced or hounded out of office. With the likes of Chris Dodd and Barney Frank at the forefront of fixing the problem when they are a major part of creating the problem (Freddie & Fannie) shows how partisan our political system has become. It's not for the good of the country first, "it's all about me."
    2008 Oct 05 01:28 PM | Link | Reply
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