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I was talking with a friend who works for Deutchse Bank (DB) and his wife this weekend. We were all in agreement regarding the overall market and economic conditions being nearly catastrophic. He mentioned to me that he just needed to figure out what to recommend to his clients, and we all got a little laugh (although a cynical one) out of it. That indeed is the problem, and I’ve spent days pondering the answer.

I revert back to my technical analysis and sector rotation. It is so imperative that anyone invested in any equity understand sector rotation. Imagine, if you will, a “football field,” with the end-zone on the left being the 0 yard line and the end-zone on the right being the 100 yard line. Stocks that are at the 0 - 20 yard represent sectors that have been oversold. Stocks in the 80 -100 area are stocks that have been overbought.

Over-sold<——————————–>Over-bought

0—10—20—30—40—50—60—70—80—90—100

Downside risk<————————–>Upside Potential

When a sector reaches those high 70,80 and 90% areas, its potential upside is diminished and downside risk becomes much greater. Conversely, when a sector hits those low numbers, its downside risk becomes minimal, and its upside potential becomes greater and more attractive.

Here’s the first problem. Nearly everything is oversold now, with the exception of commodities and perhaps gold stocks, although those seem well on their way to joining other sectors at the left end of the field. The question becomes, which sector or sectors will lead in the next market uptrend?

The government has yet to figure out that the way to spur the economy and end another depression before it begins is through job creation. When Reagan brought us out of a recession, it was through jobs that were created during the cold war in aerospace and defense. Hoover and FDR did it through construction in infrastructure and the Hoover Dam. The Clinton years brought us technology. The next Government funded projects for the sake of the country’s financial health will be, in my opinion, alternative energies, yet that scenario will take a year or more to begin to play out. No economy can prosper on Walmart (WMT) salaries.

So today, as I was driving home and listening to CNBC on Sirius (SIRI), a commercial caught my attention. It was a commercial for Advil. Immediately I recognized this as a new advertiser. I then recalled a statement by Mel Karmazin recently that mentioned his desire to offer a low priced solution to advertisers. Mel, you're a genius! You may not know crap about stocks but did you ever bowl me over today!

“That’s it!," I exclaimed to myself. MEDIA stocks will lead the next market! Allow me to be the first to call it. As companies look to lower costs they will seek out less expensive advertising solutions. A business without a sign, is a sign of no business! Consider help-wanted ads, for-sale ads and such. Companies that want to survive will be looking for low cost ad solutions, and companies that provide these solutions to corporate America on a national scale will benefit the most. Media such as Sirius XM will thrive, provided of course, that it can survive the current credit crisis.

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    IF they survive, SIRI will receive an ever larger share of radio advertising. It has started already with Advil, Harley-Davidson, Klondike, and more. I would guess that mainstream advertisers are more impressed with 20 million listeners than with 10. It also might help if they could drop some of the more "tasteless" advertisers. If I were a major company, I might not want my product ad coming after something like Ashleymadison.com, etc....
    2008 Oct 07 08:30 AM | Link | Reply
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    I have noticed the same trend. Clips for Sale porno site ads have been replaced with Harley Davidson and Klondike. Even the Ashley Madison ads are thinning ( thank God!!). I hope this is trend is an indication of pending success....
    2008 Oct 07 08:46 AM | Link | Reply
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    Sirius/XM has solid foundations and from this point on we'll see a different trend for the company, It is very unfortunate however we got cought into this subprime spiral and company suffered many uneccesary losses due to credit concerns. Corrupt mortgage dealers and corrupt Bank CEO's and managements ought to pay with jail time. Lehman Bros CEO must be throwned in Jail for life , what a Jocker this guy is.

    Sirius/XM has solid CEO and management team will pull though this,
    all they need is the right moves.
    2008 Oct 07 08:52 AM | Link | Reply
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    Blah Blah Blah-why dont they join with direct TV- They need help- Dont tell me Mel is Like the bozo from yahoo who turned down help from microsoft-Not another testosterone Jerry Wang story I hope.No brainer that XM is already part of Directs showcase and has alot more satellites.
    2008 Oct 07 09:25 AM | Link | Reply
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    So.....
    The Meadia market will be the next bubble....Again!
    2008 Oct 07 09:28 AM | Link | Reply
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    I like how the world markets suck yesterday....And people don't look at any other stock.... They see SIRI down %10 and are like Chapter 11!!!!
    There were only like 3 stocks that had positive gains on the NASDAQ yesterday???
    WTF??? SIRI is fine...
    2008 Oct 07 09:36 AM | Link | Reply
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    There is a flight to quality going on. Cramer told everyone to sell everything last night. SIRI will not have buyers, and the stock will not rise, until the financials are stratightened out and it shows a believable path to positive cash flow. This of course assumes no further dillution of the stock.

    Now more than ever SIRI should seek marketing partners like NetFlix or Best Buy to raise subscriptions.

    seekingalpha.com/artic...
    2008 Oct 07 09:54 AM | Link | Reply
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    Muley, people who listen to Cramer dont have enough money exposed to this market to make on lick of difference. Hes a justifier, and a pundint for the banks. Nearly mentioning him deems you are a sheeple.(no offense, most people are)
    2008 Oct 07 10:05 AM | Link | Reply
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    Netflix only has 8 million subs compared to SIRI's 18mil. And there is a good chance that 3/4 of those subs already have SIRIUS/XM Subscriptions.

    How many people do you think actually listen to Cramer after the bs he has preached in the past. He has been right 50/50. Midas well spin around and point to a stock and say buy/sell every other time.
    2008 Oct 07 10:07 AM | Link | Reply
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    He drives some money to be gobbled up, never gives good advice.
    2008 Oct 07 10:09 AM | Link | Reply
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    relmor...

    Good to see ya still posting here!

    I read your comment yesterday about the not going below .40 and I think I misenterpreted it...
    2008 Oct 07 10:22 AM | Link | Reply
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    Quick question.
    Mel spent 2 million and bought @ about 1.37 to averaged down.
    I believe he is now averaged at about 3.00 not sure.
    Why do you think he hasn't averaged down again at the current price ?
    Also do you think it is better for the shareholders if he doesn't ?
    2008 Oct 07 10:39 AM | Link | Reply
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    I personally think Cramer is a clown, but unfortunately he has a following that does listen and act on his advice. SIRI stockholders should know that by now.
    2008 Oct 07 10:55 AM | Link | Reply
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    FED to buy commercial papers for short term loans.

    Only and the only remaining issue with SIRI must be resolved by this.

    Any comments?
    2008 Oct 07 11:08 AM | Link | Reply
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    MEL, please come out of your shell and make some positive results with merger and get some good news on the financing!
    BRING THE SHARE PRICE UP!!!!
    2008 Oct 07 11:49 AM | Link | Reply
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    THERE IS COMPANY TRADING AT HIGHER PRICE THAT DON'T EVEN COME CLOSE TO SIRI EXPOSURE IN MAINSTREAM. THOSE COMPANY HAVE A VERY SMALL MARKET CAP BUT TRADING AT A HIGHER PRICE.
    PPS VALUE !!!!!
    2008 Oct 07 11:52 AM | Link | Reply
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    sirius guy...
    Thats because those companies dont have 3.4 billion share outstanding...
    2008 Oct 07 12:17 PM | Link | Reply
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    Cramer is dip. He's a court jester or an ADD kid who should be on Ritilin. Basically he's a clown who entertains the people. I feel sorry for people who trade or invest on (or even propogate at all) his advice (muley)... What he actually said yesterday, and finally went farther into the ridiculous than I thought even he could go, was that anyone with money in the market that they would need 5 years from now should take it out NOW. What a loser! As are the lemmings who do what he says. Mr. Cramer, here's my 5 stocks...am I diversified? Drivel...

    Whatever miniscule cred he had left, he lost yesterday. So while the market comes back this year and next and he'll be once again making money hand over fist for his "charitable trust", all the dopes who are now keeping money in their matress will miss out. I don't know who's worse, Jim Cramer or I'm Not Jim Cramer (lol)....
    2008 Oct 07 12:27 PM | Link | Reply
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    Quick question.
    Mel spent 2 million and bought @ about 1.37 to average down.
    I believe he is now averaged at about 3.00 not sure.
    Why do you think he hasn't averaged down again at the current price ?
    Also do you think it is better for the shareholders if he doesn't ?
    2008 Oct 07 01:19 PM | Link | Reply
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    wjdjfd...

    For the time being, he's blacked out b4/after end of Q. Will he in the future? Probably after earnings release sometime in Q4 is my guess. That will be a bullet for him to use to increase share price...I'm sure he's keeping that bullet dry for a rainy day. Some might argue it's raining now, but yes and no...
    2008 Oct 07 01:32 PM | Link | Reply
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    Look at SIRI compared to the NASDAQ.... We are doing fine.
    2008 Oct 07 02:05 PM | Link | Reply
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    I wish I had more cash on hand to purchase more Siri stock! I believe that the fact that the Feds are looking into credit crunch solutions means that things will turn around soon, at least for the short term. Could the next step after commercial paper buys be extending lines of credit for longer term debt? If so, I'm sure that Siri would benefit from it along with other companies.
    2008 Oct 07 02:43 PM | Link | Reply
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    Everytime Ben or Hank open their mouths the markets fall another %5,
    Hillarious!
    2008 Oct 07 02:57 PM | Link | Reply
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    If we wanna save the economy just tape their mouths shut!
    LoL
    2008 Oct 07 02:58 PM | Link | Reply
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    Who can tell me when the stock go into Chapter 11?
    2008 Oct 07 03:15 PM | Link | Reply
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    Pissin me off
    2008 Oct 07 03:38 PM | Link | Reply
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    Everyone who holds Siri shares... Buy a sub to sirius or xm. If you already have one extend the package and get their best of packages for like an extra 4 bucks. Now is the time, also buy more shares!
    2008 Oct 07 04:29 PM | Link | Reply
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    nice ad smart shops- you sound like Mr Cleaver on Leave it to....

    "OK boys, now you all be nice and get in the station wagon.And, when daddy takes you for ice cream, get out in an orderly exit fashion."

    What a load of crap.
    2008 Oct 07 04:43 PM | Link | Reply
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    smartstops...

    so.....uh, what's your point?

    2008 Oct 07 06:28 PM | Link | Reply
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    What is anybody's point? This stock has been on a one way ride to zero and for some reason I can't seem to get off the train!
    2008 Oct 07 06:34 PM | Link | Reply
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    OK...

    SIRI fans. The damn thing WANTED to go up today...i'll be damed if it didn't try. But not a bad stand today. This stock is just EXHAUSTED from going down. We are definitely building a bottom into this stock. First we thought .68 now here @ .50. Pretty much the same diff. Now we just need some good news from Mel and the boys and it's time to blast off... All this crazy negativity in the market is getting bothersome isn't it? 5th down day on a row. Nothing drops forever. I'm also sick of all these Wall Street cry babies--better named p#ssies. Ooooo, I'm so scared I think I'll just take all my money and go home and curl up in a ball--call me when it's over won't you? I just can't bare to even watch the tape anymore!!! We're only in the 5th inning! WHAT A BUNCH OF WIMPS. Ok, so we'll just wait a little longer until these p-waists grow a pair and get back in. In the meantime make them some warm milk and cookies and give them a little pat on the head. There, there....

    Oh yeah and J. Cramer is still a loser. He's the biggest p#ssy of 'em all.
    2008 Oct 07 06:43 PM | Link | Reply
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    don't jump bdp!!! Be here when....
    2008 Oct 07 06:44 PM | Link | Reply
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    Oh and just check out a SIRI 3 month chart. That AIN'T a one way ride to zero. I can show you what that looks like. This ain't it.
    2008 Oct 07 06:48 PM | Link | Reply
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    Working for myself I have only an IRA and I have boxed myself in with SIRI, 7500 shares. When the markets across the world get spanked, I have been getting a chuckle from the whiners about the trillions lost. whahhhh. Being invested in a good company with a shitty stock and getting pounded for years, we understand pain. Does that make me a bad person to laugh at other peoples misery? lol! I can not contribute until Jan 1, 2009..so I hope Mel continues his head in the sand technique a little longer. Dealer, 5000 coming in! Long live SIRI and Roethlisberger!
    2008 Oct 07 07:09 PM | Link | Reply
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    Big Ben...................... I'm kinda sorta in your camp on this one aspect. While I would prefer working the "siri channel" back and forth from around a buy at .50 or< , to a sell at 1.05 to 1.30 >,a few times at least between now and the first of 2009.................. I'm hedging my bet with the knowledge that if it stays near .50, I can afford to transfer all of my sep.ira, and my simple ira cash over to my Roth ira at greatly diminished income tax penalty. Over the coming years the tax rewards will be huge. HUGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! killer.
    2008 Oct 07 09:08 PM | Link | Reply
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    I subscribe to the Buffett mantra....don't buy any stock you aren't willing to hold for 10 years. I'm as upset as anyone about the price drops...but I'm not losing any sleep over it. In 10 years time I really believe I'll wish I'd had more money to buy SIRI at these prices. The market is reliable. It cycles up. It cycles down. Always. Unless you're a day trader, these prices right now are a golden opportunity for future wealth.

    Am I wrong?
    2008 Oct 07 11:13 PM | Link | Reply
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    Hey to those people that still think its a one way train to zero...
    Don't forget Weinkes said .50 and thats where it has been roughly for 4 days (+/-3 or 4). So until GS either gets their converts or the company refinances... I'm pretty sure that we will be here for a while.
    2008 Oct 08 12:09 AM | Link | Reply
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    when relmore say's sell, im convinced its time to buy,

    yet retain all his previous intellect.
    2008 Oct 08 12:43 AM | Link | Reply
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    If Mel were to make an additional huge purchase now, what would that say to investors. It would say at least one scary thing among others... That he believes his big purchase at 1.37 was a mistake and wants to cut his losses by dollar cost averaging down. CEO's, in my opinion, should never dollar cost average down, but continue to load up periodically, when it is not expected. A large purchase from Mel at about .95 would be huge. It would be hard for the MM's to hold us at .99999999999 with a buyer surge at .95. The short covering will not start until we eclipse the dollar mark. True, a purchase from Mel at .95 would technically be dollar cost averaging him down, but the purchase would be telling investors something else, that this stock will be moving over a dollar soon, and we will not be back in the pennies again any time soon. A purchase from Mel in the near term would be an obvious dollar costing move which may or may not cause a negative reaction.

    Furthermore, what we need are purchases that make headlines. We need Howard Stern to drop a cool 5 Mil, Oprah to slam a quick 10 Mil, etc. The problem is that Oprah and Howard an the likes are not investors, they are the talent. I am willing to bet that if you asked either one of these individuals what the share price of SiriusXM is, they would not have an answer, they pay people to worry about that stuff. We should research who Howard an Oprah have as financial advisors, and begin hammering them to encourage a repurchase in the Blue Dog.

    BosS
    2008 Oct 08 06:36 AM | Link | Reply
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    By encourage them to repurchase, I mean letting their financial advisors know about the huge discount in SIRI, and encouraging them to let Howard and Oprah know about the opportunity. After all, it still comes down to H. and O. to pull the trigger.
    2008 Oct 08 06:40 AM | Link | Reply
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    We SIRI longs do understand pain. Crammer is a idiot and has zero credibility. He is just entertainment and poor entertainment at that. His track record speaks for itself if you can follow all the flips and flops. I thought Flammer called a bottom two or three weeks ago. What happen Flammer. Was that the bottom of the first bottom but not the real bottom which has not occurred until we hit another bottom at the bottom. Something like that.
    2008 Oct 08 08:12 AM | Link | Reply
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    OK...

    Judging by this morning's premarket, it's clear what's going on on Wall Street--once again. Talk about manipulation. The people who control the big money know exactly what they are doing. Let's just take the Dow but each market follows the same. So overnight, the Dow futures were down 350. Then early this morning there was a global coordianted rate cut--which two days ago I heard at least 3 "pundits" say "that's what the market wants." So on that news, the futures go UP 212 (a 500 point swing). Then no less than 30 minutes later, Target and JC Penney announce lowered guidance (btw, which we know our Mel already took care of long ago) and the futures are down 130. Talk about stupid silly. But regardless of that, we're back in the same mentality we were in after 911. These pukes are once again colluding to take the market down as low as they can possibly go so they can then buy in at garage sale prices across the board. Nothing will satisfy them now because they don't want to be satisfied--and they can pick an choose on what moves the market. What they want is to just keep taking the prices lower so they can rebuy in and make the most money. THAT's HOW THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE THEIR YEARS THIS YEAR!! Tank the market and then all pile in at once so they instantly make huge cash. WHAT A SCAM!!! And of course Cramer is in on it--why else would he blatantly tell people ON THE AIR to take any money they might need in teh next 5 years OUT OF THE MARKET. Don't believe ANYTHING else. Great Depression my ass. And the banks are in on this little charade too. I have to go here, but my point is DO NOT BELIEVE any pundit explanations. This is pure collusion to allow max money making for fund managers who haven't made a dime this year or are in the red. It's all BS!!!

    To be continued...
    2008 Oct 08 09:08 AM | Link | Reply
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    sl62................. sure seems to be falling in place, if you follow the outline. killer.
    2008 Oct 08 09:20 AM | Link | Reply
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    Seeking Alpha, thanks for finally editing out the gibberish. After all, this is an English language message board...

    Perhaps today is the day that the global economy will start to turn around...although the governments that are slashing interest haven't gotten to zero percent yet, and interest rate decreases have been going on for months with no apparent effect!

    If Mel buys more Siri now, I don't know if it should be considered dollar cost averaging because it might just be that he'd be showing that he's confident in a good, undervalued company...

    2008 Oct 08 09:27 AM | Link | Reply
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    Well This
    Might Be
    SIRIUS?
    Why it doesn't go up?
    2008 Oct 08 10:03 AM | Link | Reply
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    Rubbish is rubbish, all the time!
    2008 Oct 08 10:04 AM | Link | Reply
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    How many more days left for SIRI to be delisted?
    Will it drive to $1 again just before the last day?

    2008 Oct 08 10:16 AM | Link | Reply
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    Mel isn't going to buy any Shares right now. Until he can get the 3rd quarter reporting out of the way he is in a Blackout on taking any action that could be perceived as SP manipulation in any direction.

    I also believe that this is a more complicated accounting process because of the different accounting practices used by both companies prior to the merge. The format will probably be each division, XM Holdings and Sirius Sat, separate and then consolidated as we saw in Sirius' Q2, with a lot of explanations of the impact on metrics of the two companies going forward. Metrics such as the counting of OEM subs and ala-carte programming, affecting ARPU and SAC, and the impact of revenues from Best of Both, will be important for analysts to fairly assess the business model. YOY comparisons will not be that helpful in this new model.

    We haven't heard anything about the retail supply chain, the used car market, and the condition of the refinancing in 2009. Wrapping all this information up in a neat package is going to be a monumental and very important task that needs to be done flawlessly for the company to renew investor confidence. We shall see how well Mel has chosen his team in this 3rd quarter Conference Call. If all we hear is more of the same, outlining merger costs and the complexity of consolidation, we as shareholders are in a lot of trouble.
    2008 Oct 08 10:19 AM | Link | Reply
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    Well...
    If you forget about manipulation for a minute....
    SIRI has followed the market, almost to the letter.
    SIRI has tanked almost evryday the market has....So manipulation or no manipulation I think the stock price would be about here anyways,
    Now I DO AGREE manipulation is keeping it at these levels...

    Any comments or do I just sound like an idiot?
    2008 Oct 08 10:33 AM | Link | Reply
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    Faraway, here is some information from the NASDAQ site:

    If a company trades for 30 consecutive business days below the $1.00 minimum closing bid price requirement, NASDAQ will send a deficiency notice to the company, advising that it has been afforded a "compliance period" of 180 calendar days to regain compliance with the applicable requirements.

    Thereafter, Capital Market companies can receive an additional 180-day compliance period if they meet all initial inclusion requirements for the Capital Market, except for the bid price requirement.
    2008 Oct 08 10:39 AM | Link | Reply
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    Anyone have any thoughts about a potential reverse split?
    2008 Oct 08 10:44 AM | Link | Reply
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    Faraway, Just to add some more information. Once a company, after the waiting period outlined above, receives a delisting determination letter, they have seven days to file for a hearing. If the hearing request is received in a timely manner then the hearing is generally scheduled with 30-45 days from receipt of the request. So you can see, even though a letter of noncompliance can be received by the company, we are far from being delisted from NASDAQ.
    2008 Oct 08 10:49 AM | Link | Reply
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    cos1000, thanks for the information.

    Does anyone has idea on how is the response of "A La Carte"?

    2008 Oct 08 10:50 AM | Link | Reply
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    Cos................. don't think Mel would commit such an obvious sin for the future direction of siri, or the shareholders at this point. Everything he has done so far would belie this. He will drop a bomb when it is most advantageous to his desires and goals. Stay long, Stay strong. Siri XM. killer.
    2008 Oct 08 10:56 AM | Link | Reply
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    127981, IMHO, reverse spits are a sign of desperation. I would prefer a company work through these difficulties if the business model is solid, and eventually announce a stock buy back plan even if shares aren't bought back until the end of 2009 or 2010. If the business model is not solid, the announcement of a reverse stock split is the beginning of the end, and signal the vultures to get ready to finish the company off. Very few, not all companies, that do a reverse stock split have a meaningful recovery. If we came from here .50 to 2.50 and the company said that they wanted to do a 4-1 reverse split, and put a share buy back plan in place, to attract more investors, I would feel better about it. To do it now would be a Death Nail to the company's future.
    2008 Oct 08 10:56 AM | Link | Reply
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    Thanks cos 1000.
    2008 Oct 08 10:59 AM | Link | Reply
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    Cos................ but then what the h--- do I know............... I'm just your humble cheerleader. lol. killer.
    2008 Oct 08 10:59 AM | Link | Reply
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    Killer, ...... I agree but, I just wanted to present an even assessment of how important all of the company's communications will be in the future. It is time for Mel and his team to start doing their magic and not play around with poorly presented information as he has been criticized for already since the merger. I am very long, not as strong as I would like to be, but taking my vitamins and doing a few push ups as we speak. Gonna go for a jog and be ready to run when the Blue Dog takes off. I just don't want any false starts..........
    2008 Oct 08 11:02 AM | Link | Reply
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    It's kinda starting to make me mad how we are left in the dark about the situation of the company for so long...

    LONG SIRI!!
    2008 Oct 08 11:05 AM | Link | Reply
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    Well this mbs, Your comment above regarding the chart of SIRI and the general market's condition is one that I made yesterday on another article and I agree. Everything happening to this stock is the same with a little more fear and intensity exhibited because of the SP and silence.

    If you look back over the last quarters, the silence during this period before reporting in not unusual. As killerkaul said above, the positive spin, would be that they want to announce the good news (surprises) at the same time as the bad 3rd quarter numbers (expected). Silence is not necessarily a bad thing just frustrating to shareholders hungry for some good news.
    2008 Oct 08 11:12 AM | Link | Reply
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    cos,
    I should have gave you credit in my statement, I do now remember you saying that, I just couldn't remember where I saw it. sorry.

    2008 Oct 08 11:27 AM | Link | Reply
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    Hey,
    I went into Starbucks today, And they had a big banner across the ceiling advertising Starbucks XM music channel!
    2008 Oct 08 11:29 AM | Link | Reply
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    Lets take the fact that subscriptions are not decreasing as good news. Lets face it, people who have it love it and will keep it as long as the price remains as reasonable as it is.

    Give up a latte a week and listen to Sirius all month. Not a tough decision for me. I would shot myself in the head on I-95 if I didnt have Howard to keep me sane. I dont need no Morning Zoo's or Whacky Morning Show. I need lesbians, strippers and Artie.
    2008 Oct 08 11:33 AM | Link | Reply
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    Cos ............ have a good run...................... throw a few jabs while you're doin that. Gonna take my pup, Lothar, and go throw a few bales of hay to the horses. Hold the fort boys. Keep a close watch N S E and W. Don't want any surprises comin our way................ not on our watch. Back in a bit...................... killer.
    2008 Oct 08 11:34 AM | Link | Reply
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    Hey, Let’s all make a pact….
    If SIRI is above $10 a share by Christmas (Without a Reverse Split)… We are all going to go party at the Circus Circus Casino in Las Vegas. And celebrate our “Winnings”!!!
    All in favor say AY!
    2008 Oct 08 11:35 AM | Link | Reply
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    GetSiri............ you're naughty.
    2008 Oct 08 11:37 AM | Link | Reply
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    But I think it will go down below $0.01. :(
    2008 Oct 08 11:38 AM | Link | Reply
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    For 10 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ a share by Christmas, we can afford the Bellagio. The fountains in the snow are great. Ayeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...
    2008 Oct 08 11:40 AM | Link | Reply
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    I don't think it's going to go down much farther...
    Basically because this is the level that GS said it was going to be at, and wants it at, and will manipulate the price to keep it here...
    2008 Oct 08 11:42 AM | Link | Reply
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    GS is controlled by the most powerful forces in this country. That much is obvious. They deal with Sirius. You put the two together, and determine what you what. Sirius is a media company first, and controlling interests must control all major media companies. To gain controlling interest they bashed those minority channels in the deal so they could have a voice in this media outlet. Further behind the scenes concessions have been made as well(might never know what these are). One of them might be pertaining to shutting up the mouth or eliminating(not resigning)Stern. Stern says what he wants, but as long as he doesnt talk about the true forces in the world, he will be harmless to their goals. Keeping Stern harmless is important to the controlling interests. This is not just any company, this is a company that has influence into the peoples thinkings, as do all media companies. Is the end game to gain control from the current management of Sirius? Or do they already own them? Mel is an insider, and came to take over both these companies? Are they already in compliance? I think they are, and under control.
    It helps a lot that Mel is a jewish insider. Lets see if this price manipulation was to screw all shareholders, or to gain a buy in thats acceptable to big money, or to negotiate a reasonable buy out offer(say 2-3 dollar range). If this stock takes off over those amounts in the next year, we know the answer. If they sell a low ball offer, we know they won(Mel and others would be paid in unseen ways)
    Very interesting times, and this stock seems to be in the middle of a lot of intesting things going on right now. Still recommend Sirius as a hold. Dont count on the 1.00 by the end of the month, everyone might be thinking the same thing.(to avoid be delisted condition, etc...)
    2008 Oct 08 12:33 PM | Link | Reply
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    relmor............... I noticed you recommended a hold..................... do you feel comfortable recommending a buy at curreny prices? Thank you.
    2008 Oct 08 01:15 PM | Link | Reply
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    Ive been saying hold off on buying, I have said buy and resell though, that I have been saying, and if you had done that, you would have made so great headway into breaking even on this stock. Takes balls. But I suggested breaking up your shares into 6th, and trading out of them, and rebuying lower. If you had started this at .85 cents like me, I would have rebought them already(targetting .65-70, but I ammended that to wait and see, I probably woulde have been tempted at .50, but the market said wait. I would rebuy them here, but I wouldnt ENTER A NEW POSITION here. Id wait. Most upside will be in Nov or later, not now. But if you can afford to lose it, buy now. I think it might go to .35 cents ultimately. And that would be the bottom(no more time at that point to take it lower). Market will have bottomed for the year, etc...
    Market is doing us a huge favor right now by tanking quickly, we WANT that.
    2008 Oct 08 01:23 PM | Link | Reply
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    I meant sell, and rebuy in the my first sentence sorry.
    2008 Oct 08 01:23 PM | Link | Reply
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    Basically, if your not going to sell and rebuy, but your looking to AVERAGE DOWN, Id wait. If your looking to buy on margin , Id wait. More dow down to go. This will be a suckers rally in the DOW.
    2008 Oct 08 01:24 PM | Link | Reply
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    This suckers rally might last a while, or it might end today, no one knows but the market manipulators.
    2008 Oct 08 01:25 PM | Link | Reply
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    I called a dumb bottom at .90 cents a while back based on end of day action that was insane(i now know these were shorts not longs, and ammended my bottom call almost immediately.)
    2008 Oct 08 01:26 PM | Link | Reply
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    current
    2008 Oct 08 01:38 PM | Link | Reply
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    Hey we might end the day on an upside??
    2008 Oct 08 03:24 PM | Link | Reply
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    Knock on wood
    2008 Oct 08 03:25 PM | Link | Reply
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    I guess knock on wood didn't work...
    sorry guys

    2008 Oct 08 03:50 PM | Link | Reply
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    I predict the closing price is 0.45 today!
    2008 Oct 08 03:52 PM | Link | Reply
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    Relmer,

    Your behind the scene possibilities continue to get deeper and deeper.

    They are very entertaining and VERY believable...............

    I have no doubt that there are workings that go far beyond our wildest ideas or any conspiract theory, not just with this stock but government and life in general..........We are a herd without question...........

    Anyway, my question for your new theory is the same as always, do the people in controll want to wipe out the common shares or not and why?

    I think you've done a great job explaining the possible motive of those in controll for wanting to kill it versus just running it down for a low entry.

    Please feel free to elaborate, I never get tired of reading your thoughts.

    Thanks..........
    2008 Oct 08 03:58 PM | Link | Reply
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    Got stubborn and held strong for a buy of .45. Came very close......... but just missed it. Want to test relmor's .35................... or closer to it anyway. Will have to see what the new sunrise brings................... killer.
    2008 Oct 08 04:18 PM | Link | Reply
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    I cant know the answer to the ultimate end game question. I can only go as far to show you who and how they are doing it, and they why in general, but ultimately its a guess. If I knew the answer to that, I would be rich.
    I guess you have to analyse the players involved, study their track records, and try to use current facts to pretend future behavior.
    There are a few senarios that are important.
    1. Total economic collapse.(Dont worry about it, your Sirius stock cant feed ur family in paper form)
    2. Depression, slowly, over time gets worse. If this is the case there would be a direction in the FED completely different. They appear to be attempting to reliquidate the economy, problem is there arent enough "good" investments out there, or sure things banks need to make money.(Our system is built on a dumb premise that debts will be repayed, economy always grows, etc...) You know, dumb stuff.
    Not actual work or real assets.
    So, if banks can profit from free money enough to want to lose a lot of it again by feeding the slave masses with money, then they will. When the banks are done consolidating and their balance sheets looking a lot better, than the "game" is afoot again. Will Sirius be around long enough to reflate the economy? In the last depression they did not attempt to do what Bernake is doing, in essance they did the opposite. They let the public just have less and less money. The roaring 20's saw a huge inflextion in cash, so they cased "bad" investments, and got clobbered.
    We live in a fictional society, where our future work is paying for what you see now. That isnt substainable forever in a multicultural, multinational, competitive world system, eventually it will make you pay for it. How long will the world go along with the fiction, is dependent on how much control the central banks really have.
    How does this all relate to Sirius, it relates exactly to it. Sirius needs money, needs peoples discretionary money. When talking about any stock, now more than ever you must discuss its relationship to the flow of money, credit, and world conditions.
    2008 Oct 08 05:17 PM | Link | Reply
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    Above I meant predict, not pretend, lol
    2008 Oct 08 05:18 PM | Link | Reply
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    There is a senario I am hoping for.
    They will inflate the currency again, debasing the dollar in the process, but who cares, they have to keep the fiction afloat, and Sirius will benefit greatly. People like to spend money, never more than ever. This is good for Sirius. We are now at least 2 GENERATIONS removed from responsible money philosophies. People dont save anymore, they spend. This is good for Sirius. There will be another inflation in a bubble to support this system, and housing will rebound slightly, temporarly, for a few years. Car sales will increase. I dont think it will last for 6 years this time or so, just 2-3 years this time, and less and less. But for now, we might clear out of this stock with a fat wallet before that happens.
    2008 Oct 08 05:23 PM | Link | Reply
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    The last time this stock was this low was back in 10/01/2002-05/09/2003. I'm talking about an extended bender. It's like the dog was out in the woods with it's nose to the ground.

    If this drop follows the historical timeframe of the last time it went below $1, it will be April before we come out (May converts).

    If this drop follows the last time it hit the 40s then we have at least 8 more weeks of this crap (Gee Christmas sales), with the bottom hitting right around relmors target within two weeks.

    ( I believe it will only hit .38).

    tag it, bag it. . . . . . . ring me up for 10K if it goes below .40
    2008 Oct 08 05:25 PM | Link | Reply
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    Heres where I arrive at .35 cents.
    It started at that, it would be ironic to someone. The market is going down still more, probably taking Sirius with it.
    Its still October/Early Nov, bad months right now for investing in a spec stock.
    As far from news as we were from our last bit of news... Were in la la land.
    Easy to convince someone RIGHT NOW that Sirius wont make it, therefore justifying any price(it wont get past a certain point, harder and harder to get it lower, now that have real force coming of realism.
    .25 is too obvious and too low, could cause unforseen problems for manipulators(unforseen buying, too low,etc...)
    2008 Oct 08 05:30 PM | Link | Reply
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    Similar manipulation in '03. . . . . . . Manipulative focus jumps around as not to be too obvious. . . . Although they did put together a 62 trading day session string keeping the proce below a buck.

    2008 Oct 08 05:34 PM | Link | Reply
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    I would assume in a better investing environment they might have stopped trying at .90 cents or higher, maybe even the .1.32 levels, etc...
    They saw a chance, and they took it. Kind of like convincing everyone every year lately that commodities arent going up, food isnt going up, and gas is now in a bear market. All jokes.
    2008 Oct 08 05:34 PM | Link | Reply
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    The target of the manipulation is not the stock, nor the company. The target is the small uneducated investor who will bail at the first sign of a price drop. The credo stay long, keep it long is lost by neophite investor. The company's name attracts the neophites. Once the numbers of institutional investors get lower than the individual investors, the manipulation kicks in.
    2008 Oct 08 05:44 PM | Link | Reply
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    Relmer,

    Thanks for the info. I think it's pretty clear that if we go into a depression this stock and company are done being that this is such a luxury item.


    I'm interested in hearing more about the possibility of this company being controlled. Obviously you don't KNOW what is happening and why. I'm interested in your knowledge of why people and organizations do what they do, current economic conditions aside.

    You've given some very interesting theories in the past, ie. 1) Goldman is holding the share price down to manipulate. 2) Mel and SIRI are holding it down to screw GS into a better deal and/or let the banks that will take the financing get in on the ground floor.

    Everytime you've come up with one of these theories you've backed it up with some very understandable reasoning.

    That's what I'm looking for. "IF" Mel and SIRI are already under the controll of a higher power (which is not hard to believe) what could be their goals? What could they possibly gain or lose by tanking the stock or by building it up? Is there a downside for them if it tanks?

    These are all extremely hypothetical scenarios that no one could possibly have answers to. BUT, I'm always interested in your opinion of underlying interest that are not obvious to people like me.

    Thanks.
    2008 Oct 08 06:06 PM | Link | Reply
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    The Stock Market is a cycle of Greed and Fear. Greed takes the market to irrational an unsustainable highs and Fear takes it in the other direction with the same irrational an unsustainable lows. Greed caused the Internet Bubble, and this Real Estate Bubble. To compound today's problem, Greed created over leveraged Mortgage Backed Securities rendered worthless by devaluations of Real Property when RE Investors got too greedy and high risk lending practices, greed again, lent money inappropriately.

    Regardless of the emotion driving the market at this time there are very good, well executing companies out there that are being taken down right now. Companies that can prove that they are executing on their business model will rise from this over sold condition with time. I hope Sirius is one of them.

    As said above and I agree, Fear will take out investors with the least tolerance and have them run to safe havens like CDs, Treasuries, and bank deposits. When the turn happens, the money will not be where it needs to be to recover and real cash losses will mount.

    It will be the fools that listen to Jim Cramer saying take your money out of the stock market now, that will pay the most. He uses needing the money in the next 5 years for a criteria. How come Jim doesn't tell you to take your money out when it matters, like when the market is breaking records on the upside? Didn't he call The Bottom two months ago? What happen?
    2008 Oct 08 07:08 PM | Link | Reply
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    I'm so sick of everyone bashing Cramer. He's one man. He gives his opinion on things and then tells you to do your own research. If you buy and sell based on ANYONE's opinion without doing your own research you are a fool. And yes, I watch Cramer and he did not tell anyone to take their money out of the market. He said it would be good to sell a little of something you're not too keen on right now so you can have some cash available when (if) we ever see a bottom to this mess. Anyone with some intelligence would deem that good advice right now.
    2008 Oct 08 08:09 PM | Link | Reply
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    spgeise...

    Too bad for you. You're not watching with your eyes open. Cramer told anyone who needs their money within 5 years from now to sell sell sell and take it out. But who even cares about that. Cramer's a nut case and an idiot. That's just drivel. I could care less about any panic artists who put their money in their matress...so, enjoy!!
    2008 Oct 08 08:30 PM | Link | Reply
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    To answer Sirius..... question above.......
    Are they being controlled? As a large major media company that has been allowed to receive licenses to operate, I would assume they would have to be. And when they wanted them to consolidate(notice how everything now is consolidating, and has been for years, the government loves larger bigger corporations, and fewer of them)
    So they are being controlled, they play with big players, and their stock is being manipulated. Who looks to gain the most if the stock tanks? Not the NFL, or other sports, not Sirius or its stockholders, and not the debt holders, unless they think their is no future is satellite radio and they just want their money and they dont want to be the reason they dont make it, etc....)
    The biggest question is do the debt holders make out if the company gets sold off or gets taken over. If they get bought out, then pay of the debt holders in cash, would they want that? Are the debt holders so worried about default they will tank the company to force them to pay? But since they dont have the cash on hand, or stock value able to do it, etc.. that is not likely.
    2008 Oct 08 08:56 PM | Link | Reply
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    Who has the most to gain?
    Everyone who has purchased this stock as it has fallen. Its easy to get it over $3 with help from the manipulators. The manipulators will be seen soon. Which direction will it go. Will it go to .01 or will it go back over $2. Only time will tell. Find out who bought this stock, and you will find who will gain. Who is shorting it, and what do they have to gain with an absolute failure. Do they want it out of business? Do they want to buy it cheap(more likely) or do they want to get a lower coversion on their bonds, etc....
    These are they questions, and when we have the answers we will know. I dont think its really possible to know, just make your best educated guess. Thats why this is a spec stock, cause you see, right here, what were doing is speculating, lol. Not like a mining stock right now, I can pretty much guarantee I know where those are going, etc....
    2008 Oct 08 09:00 PM | Link | Reply
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    But my belief has always been this stock will be much higher soon than later, in comparison to when it fell, etc....
    Just wait and see, enjoy the ride, its fun. Just keep on your toes, and try to sell out and rebuy lower with more shares(use to rebuy the same amount of money you sold out with, when the price drops you will be able to buy more shares), etc... you should be ok here. Lets see what there numbers come in at, im curious to find out. Q3 should be interesting, and Q4 will reveal a little more, then we have news of refinancing, or just before or at Q4, etc.. Then its on to the radio that plays both systems comes out, and new customers will now come in at 18.99 or something instead of the mandated max of 12.99. Nice trick, and they will make money on this. They will start to shine, when they are ready to release products that can play both xm and sirius. They dont want to spend advertising dollars in a depressed market any more than they have too, plus the products they push now arent fully functional yet to some consumers standpoint.etc..... This is a growth stock soon, if it stablizes in a range at some point.... Look for flat sp, then big jumps and drops, etc... Should be plenty of fun.
    2008 Oct 08 09:09 PM | Link | Reply
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    The goal with this cheap a stock should be to acquire shares, without spending more any money to do it. You sell 5000 worth of stock, you buy 5000 worth of stock, except when you rebuy, you get more shares. Play their game, let them drop it, let them be predicatable. By the time it reaches .35 cents, if thats their goal, I will have twice the shares I started with. Dangerous game, I could get caught holding 1/6 of my shares with my pants down, price you pay. If its a HUGE jump, 1/6 is not enough for you to loose to much sleep over, you will just be happy it did, and hopefully by then, you have a ton more shares.
    2008 Oct 08 09:12 PM | Link | Reply
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    I'm barely in the mood to be even going over all the manipulation that's going on right now. Forget about SIRI manipulation, that's a done deal and old news. They are already at the bottom and will be there until the company brings forth news or they are manpulated back to a buck if that'a part of the deal. If you don't know, their 30 day mark is October 18th. If they don't touch a buck within that time, they will be issued a notice of non-compliance and then have 180 days to get it together. So whatever, nothing to worry about. But I could care less if the price is .50 or .35. Same difference (unless you're trying to day trade this stock--which I would not recommend).

    But the bigger picture manipulation is just a joke. All of the bs media and pundit analysis--a joke. And you will all see of this play out in the coming weeks and months. Suddenlly, oh guess what, things are starting to look pretty good...oh really?...bs... Look at the late day action today. Total manipulation. Depression? What a joke. I'm laughing my ass off at all of this because none of it is real. If you sell your holdings in fear, you make it YOUR REALTY and then it's YOUR problem. It only means you're of the weak. So sell and go be weak in your house---lock yourself in your closet too and do everyone a favor and STAY OUT OF THE STOCK MARKET PLEASE. Hank should just keep his mouth shut since he really is clueless. What business does he have spouting his stupid opinion @ 3P (ah, unless, he knows what he's doing...oh yeah..he's a long time Goldman guy...you bet). I could care less what he thinks. But if not his big mouth, there are any number of things the market will use to sell off. Whatever's handy. I could care less because it's funny to watch. Comical. Anyone who buys into the fear/doomsday tactic is also comical. I will still be here adding to my positions and laughing all the way. I can't wait until tomorrow morning when shorting becomes legal again. Good. I hope the Dow is down 1000 tomorow! I'll be laughing then too! What you're seeing is nothing more than a manufactured fear frenzy that will abate as soon as those in control are bored of breeding fear. Could be tomorrow or it could be 2 years from now. It's at their descretion. The banks could start lending more tomorrow if they wanted to. What you are seeing is how powerful the manipulators are. They forced the gov to pass that bill and are laughing about how powerful they are to be able to do that--and then still took the market down by running away like p#ssies. They forced the Fed to lower the target and are laughing at that power. And they still will do whatever they want to. Sit on the sidelines, horde their "cash" and laugh at the world. Move in big then out big the same day so they keep the market heading down. Fools. What they want to do is take advantage of this golden opportunity of fear that only comes around a few times a century. Keep the credit spreads high, keep the pressure on. Do you know how much money company's like Pimco and others are making while they are laughng at you, and watching you panic and squirm like a worm? Not me, I laugh at them every day because I see their tactics (which are so transparent). The media wants your ratings so they help breed the fear so you'll watch and call in to their shows like a scared kitten--so they can charge more ad dollars. Simple!!

    Well. I hope no none does bodily harm to themselves because of this illusion. Don't let them win. The more people who stay strong, the more opposition to the fear there will be.
    2008 Oct 08 09:45 PM | Link | Reply
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    So I finally did it. I got off the crazy train and sold all my stock in all my investments. Fortunately I got off around 9:35 am when all my stock was at a daily high. I have been watching what the foreign markets had been doing and was fairly confident I would not sell too soon and I was fortunately spot on. Now I have 60% of my original investment cash and I am going to go back to dreaded day trading. (dreaded because this is extremely risky and very nerve racking. This used to be my forte, however, that was before this wild volitility. I don't recommend it to anyone who is not experienced and does not have a gamblers stomach and intuition as well as the time to research all the variables.) As far as day trading with Sirius, well, at this point I would not recommend it since it looks like it is trading on a fractional up tick outweighed by whole point down ticks ultimately ending down for the day. There is nothing to be gained here day trading. I believe tomorrow is going to be the first day we will close the day with the index up so it will be a good day to make a nice profit if you get in to the right stocks early enough and low enough. I have my eye on a few stocks that are trading at a low enough number and have substantial enough daily fluctuations that I should be able to add between 5-10% to my cash during the day. As far as Sirius goes, I should have followed my gut feeling back when Mel bought 2 million more shares. A very odd thing for him to do before an announcement. I couldn't imagine him to have done this if he had anything good to say that would drive the price through the roof it was way too insiderish of a move and did not sit well with me. Seemed more desperate than anything else . However, I too was manipulated by the dream and stayed in, and in... until this morning. As far as all the manipulation that is going on in the market, well, isn't that kind of what drives the market in any climate? It is just more noticable now because it is manipulated downward. No one complains when they are doing well and the market climbs consistantly. We all know that stock market prices have very little to do with reality and everything to do with follow the leader and manipulation. If hard facts determined the prices of stocks, (all market messes considered), It would make sense if the market index would be hovering around 4000 or less right now!. I think, although there will probably be a turn around tomorrow, there will still be a decline until the market finally bottoms out in the 8000 range before there is a solid and steady upturn. With this in mind, I am going to stay away from stocks like Sirius and focus on buying into and selling off lower priced companies that have a consistant recent trading pattern. I wish you all the best with your beloved Sirius. I believe this company could have thrived if the timing were different. Now, I am not so sure of its ultimate survival. It all depends if the financial sector can pull itself out of the abyss and remain intact enough to be in a position to part with almost a billion bucks. Unfortunately, this is unlikely. Unless Sirius can conjure up some private funding or Mel is willing to put his money where his mouth is and tap his own bank account, It is looking very bleak for satellite radio as we know it. If things are looking up within the next couple of months, I may consider buying back into Sirius at around .15. Good luck all!
    2008 Oct 08 11:03 PM | Link | Reply
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    You guys have long ass comments that mainly just point out emotions

    LoL

    They are fun to read though!
    2008 Oct 08 11:23 PM | Link | Reply
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    Here's a great article by the loser known as Doug...this is a great exercise for people to learn to read between the lies in similar articles. Just observe his lack of reporting. This guy is a real piece of work and has no busines writing articles.

    Ok Doug. I hope you "check in" and read this post because I refuse to subscribe to your stupid website. You are a LOSER and a NOBODY Doug. Your article says nothing about when the debt is due or in what configs--did I mention you're a loser? You cite that SIRI is down from a 52wk high of 3.94. No mention of the merger deal Doug? or the share revalue Doug? Hmmm, let's see. You say >>a business that has lost it's subscriber growth<< Doug? Doug. Did you know SIRI has NEVER reported a decrease in quarterly subscriber growth? EVER in 10 years Doug? Doug, you're a loser and you obviously don't look things up. Hey Doug, did you know Sirius XM now, today, has over a 19M subscriber base? Where is that in your stupid worthless article Doug? Where are your mentions about the new company Doug? Nowhere, because you are a huge worthless A-hole Doug. I hope you "peruse" the blogs Doug, so you can feel my shoe landing it's target right between your legs Doug. Odds Doug? I give you 0 odds that you will ever be anything other than a 2 bit, nothing, washed up "writer" of junk articles about nothingness. This article you "wrote" is an inane, baseless piece of garbage. You should hang out at the bar with Rick from The Fool, where the two of you can talk about your next inane foolish "writings". You're a nobody Doug. A NOBODY. SIRI shareholders are not dead Doug. You are the one who's dead. Hopefully one day you will get cancer and die a gruesome and painful death. I will now hope this happens to you everyday I wake up and I will not forget one day, Doug. As a SIRI shareholder, I will laugh at you and your misfortune and spit on your grave you A-hole. Kiss my ass Doug!! As a person, you are truely worthless.

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    Sirius (SIRI): Down To $.45, Off Nearly 90%

    The dirge is just about over for Sirius XM (SIRI). The stock has marched down so far that the market is saying there is little prospect for recovery. The company is plagued by a combination of two things it cannot escape: tremendous debt and a business which has lost most of its growth prospects.

    Shares in Sirius hit $.45, down from a 52-week high of $3.94.

    There is merit in looking at the stock price of Sirius compared with GM (GM) over the last year. Sirius gets most of its subscriptions from new car sales. That market is locked up due to a combination of high gas prices, falling employment, lack of credit for car loans, and the general economic malaise.

    Over the past 12 months, GM is off 80% and and Sirius is down more than 85%. It is likely that in the next two quarters, Sirius will announce that its subscriber growth has all but disappeared.

    Sirius has more than $2 billion in debt. That could not be refinanced today. Conditions may improve between now and the end of the year, but no one would give out odds on that.

    Satellite radio may live on, but the Sirius shareholders are dead.

    Douglas A. McIntyre
    2008 Oct 08 11:24 PM | Link | Reply
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    sl62,

    I'm with ya.
    I laugh everyday the major indexes still finish down. It's all pointless. Actually I am very happy when the Dow has a 600 point loss, It drives Oil and Gas through the floor and for all i'm concerned, it can stay that way...
    2008 Oct 08 11:25 PM | Link | Reply
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    Yea,
    I officially hate everyone that says the stock is dead...
    First of all, Goldman Sachs Expected this stock to be here right now....
    Second...This stock has been this low before, and recovered to $8/share
    Third...As me and Cos have stated before... SIRI is only following the market down.... It's not like SIRI goes down and the NASDAQ goes up 150 points...
    2008 Oct 08 11:29 PM | Link | Reply
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    Later bdp. I completely disgree with your missive however. I've been through this exact same thing with SIRI before, so I guess I'm one of the few that have the experience. I will think of you when they turn things around. Your predictions are baseless, as are your assumptions about Mel. Sorry. No wash. Please don't be one of those people who continue to post here now that you are out!! Adios!
    2008 Oct 08 11:36 PM | Link | Reply
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    Well This...

    Right on...if you really want a laugh watch the Fast Money idiots--esp. Jeff Macke. Funny stuff as they shake in their boots because they don't want to lose their bonuses, luxury houses or summer homes in the Hamptons. Meanwhile, while they spread the fear. Comical!
    2008 Oct 08 11:42 PM | Link | Reply
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    Also bdp...

    You've just committed the royal sin of trading. Sell at the low, incur the loss and convince yourself you will make it back with your now liquid position. You are in dangerous territory my friend. I know this because before I learned how not to do this, I committed this sin myself--and paid for it dearly. Listen, I wish you no harm, but please watch out for yourself. Please be careful because there are few that can pull off what you have convinced yourself you can do. Again, I hope you are successful but I'm saying this because you are in very tricky territory... Peace.
    2008 Oct 08 11:51 PM | Link | Reply
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    well, I didn't think there was a bigger CRY BABY than Jeff Macke. But yes, there is. Jim Chenos. boooooohooooooo. A-hole.

    Get ready for another day of listening to the cry babies!
    2008 Oct 09 08:52 AM | Link | Reply
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    Well, sl62, I understand your point and I agree with you. I do need to take a break and wait for the bottom just for my own sanity.
    2008 Oct 09 10:57 AM | Link | Reply
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    sl62..................... would you mind telling the rest of us how you really feel about Doug? The shoe remark was hilarious. You're wound up tighter than the valve springs on my 121 ci. harley. Hang in there buddy.
    2008 Oct 09 11:12 AM | Link | Reply
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    killer...rock on!

    It's all good...I'm just LMMFAO at these idiots and cry babies...unfortunately there is no posting available where Dougie posts his bs comments otherwise I would have, like with Rick on The Fool. Where do they grow these guys? I just hope he cruises the blogs to read my comments. He and his irresponsible "reporting" deserve a beat down.

    SIRI doing their thing today...
    2008 Oct 09 12:03 PM | Link | Reply
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    sl62.................. now how can I continue averaging down if siri moves up just a bit. I need .40 ha! Long Siri. VERY! killer.
    2008 Oct 09 12:14 PM | Link | Reply
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    The volume on SIRI is quite low today so far compared to the last few days...
    2008 Oct 09 12:45 PM | Link | Reply
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    Volume is down~~~> good... Who is left that is willing to sell??? Even the shorts have to be pondering the ratio of upside to downside risk at this time. Also, just a stupid question... Who buys and sells this stock in round lots of 100? At ameritrade, a hundred share purchase would cost 47 bucks plus 10 for commission. In other words, for every 100 share one time purchase, tack on an additional 21.2% in fees... It does not make sense to me, unless there are that many people still on a commission free promotion.
    2008 Oct 09 01:18 PM | Link | Reply
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    I forgot who it was that posted earlier that said....We won't see an upside untill the volume decreases back to 20 mil and below... well we aren't quite there yet... but so far today it looks like we will be closing in on it... And there's the proof about the stock going up on lower, more average volume.
    2008 Oct 09 01:24 PM | Link | Reply
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    siriphone: Volume is down because there are no buyers for this very speculative stock. You would not buy 100 shares, you would only buy in 1000 share blocks, reducing your costs to 2.12% (by your math above).

    I am out of SIRI now but will be back when XLF retraces 20%. That will be the bottom.

    I did well last week with NCC, but I would not advise that move again since news came out today that NCC is looking for buyers - just like Wachovia did before they went under. However, if the Fed pushes NCC to sell to a larger bank, there may be a huge opportunity for 1000%+ gain just as Wachovia and Bear Sterns saw when they recovered from the very bottom after the selloff - that is if common stockholders are not wiped out. A risky play but with HUGE rewards.
    2008 Oct 09 01:32 PM | Link | Reply
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    siriphone...

    the 100 share buys are due to limit/partially filled orders. Obviously no one would only buy 100 shares of this stock at these levels. Because the MM's are changing fairly quickly on this stock, you wind up with many partially filled orders at a certain price (due to the quickly changing MM price and block sizes). As a result brokers have no choice but to wait until a MM is willing to deal--or they may have to go to multiple MM's to fill the order. As muley said, it's also a sign that there are a lack of sellers at your limit price--so...it's let the negotiations begin! And they wind up parsing out 100, 200 shares at a time to fill an entire, say, 5000 share order. Broker commision stays the flat fee for however long it takes to fill the entire order or with however many MMs. And of course there are no Market Day orders on stocks below a buck, so all are Limit.
    2008 Oct 09 02:27 PM | Link | Reply
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    Well boys, ................. just fired my last bullets. Caught 7375 shares at .40. They come over the walls now, It'll be all over, but for swingin my rifle. I won't go down easy. Lookin in the dirt for any spare bullets I might have dropped.................. hmmmmmmmmm............... should be a few here somewhere. Won't give up now, the battle's almost won. That Big Blue Dog's beside me....................... covered in blood...... none of it his own. ......................... a little rest and he'll be fresh for the next wave. ......................... he's a fighter that one. ................... get ready dog...................... they're comin.................... gotta reload. killer.
    2008 Oct 09 03:45 PM | Link | Reply
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    Got my average buy price down to 1.63 per share. Now for an upturn. ......................... Run Blue Dog Runnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn... killer.
    2008 Oct 09 04:08 PM | Link | Reply
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    killer....
    I love your stories... keep writing!!
    2008 Oct 09 05:16 PM | Link | Reply
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    I'm about to fire a bullet of my own for this battle soon....
    2008 Oct 09 05:17 PM | Link | Reply
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    Well This Might Be Serius................... get up here on the wall.......... take your place on the other side of the dog............... guard his flank, we lose him, they'll be all over us. Throw me some of your bullets.................. quickly.......... look out they're on us! ......... make every shot count!............ sic um Dog!!!!!!!!
    2008 Oct 09 07:33 PM | Link | Reply