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So, have you heard that the U.S., as a whole, is overextended?   Have you heard that the federal government is “rescuing” the bad debt in the private sector by taking it on as their own, really all our children’s own, hopefully not-quite-as-bad debt? 

We’re just moving the debt around in our economy, not getting rid of any of it.  For proof one need only look up at the National Debt Clock in NYC, which in the past week had to give up its dollar-sign digit for a “1″.  The owner of the sign is working on getting a couple more digits added to the clock.  Why do I worry that folks might interpret that as an increase in the debt/credit limit of the country?

(The debt clock shows gross debt, which as of yesterday was at $10.2 trillion, which includes the debt the federal government “owes” to itself through the Social Security trust fund.) 

The “debt held by the public,” what the government owes to others, both in this country and abroad, is just under $6 trillion, but it’s gone up just as fast as the gross debt in the past week, because all of this new debt we’re issuing to finance the rescue is real debt, really owed to others–not just to the trust fund.  Want to learn more about the different measures of debt?  See this page on Concord’s website.

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  • That's the American mentality for you. Need a computer or appliance? Pay $5k in credit card payments to some rent to own place. Too much credit card debt? Extract the equity from your home, and then keep spending. When your net value dives below zero, and you're working all week just to pay interest on your debts, just elect politicians who will mail you a check from the treasury. Your kids will figure out how to pay it back. You have NEEDS, like an expensive car.

    People around the world are saying: "I thought Americans were the wealthiest, most money-smart people on earth. What happened?"
    2008 Oct 09 02:44 PM Reply
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  • Hey you knucklehead,

    the problem is with loafers like yourself being given bad loans that you have no intention of paying off. Get off your ass and be productive instead of complaining about it to noone in particular.
    2008 Oct 09 03:08 PM Reply
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  • Sorry to get political, but isn't it mind-bugling that a single president managed to increase national debt by the same amount as all other presidents before him combined? That is including the times when we had a perceived economic growth?
    2008 Oct 09 03:11 PM Reply
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  • ^ exactly. People have no right to complain about the government in this crisis. It is the irresponsibility of consumers and companies that have brought us here. What the hell is wrong with people... the government's job is not to bail us out!! get a clue...

    The govt has done more than enough to try and help out... In the end this is just capitalism at its worst. Blame it on greed.
    2008 Oct 09 03:18 PM Reply
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  • Look at it this way: we have enough money to rebuild Iraq and half the world with it...
    2008 Oct 09 03:20 PM Reply
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  • Don't expect these robber barons to put their money on the line now that they have it all and the entire world operating on a credit basis. Stop giving the banks money. They are just hording it and refusing to give it out. They are intentionally worsening the problem like they did during the Great Depression.

    The reason that the founding fathers didn't allow for regulation at the federal level is that they knew, as we are seeing now, that this would lead to the government being run by business and that business would eventually strip the population of its wealth. In a free market, every single penny comes from the population. If the population has no money, the market fails.

    The government is now trying to replace the population as the source by giving money directly to business, but business will still have no one to sell their products to no matter how much you give them. The only fix for this is to put money in the hands of the population, but our government no longer thinks in terms of the Citizens.

    Now that Congress has spent, given away, and wasted $11 trillion of the population's money, we have a problem.

    If you want to stop this madness, go here.

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    2008 Oct 09 03:24 PM Reply
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  • We elected a moron who bankrupted every business he was ever associated with other than the Texas Rangers, where he traded Sammy Sousa for a song, but made money because his interest was a "gift" from his father's friends and because -- this is a stitch -- got the benefit of a new tax passed by the people of Dallas to buy him a stadium. He likes new taxes that line his wallet. We got what we deserve but lets hope 8 years is enough.
    2008 Oct 09 03:26 PM Reply
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  • Stop blaming individual presidents. All our politicians are self serving f#ck toys. It's time for the people to take back this country... That will be a long hard task and while we may never have as many material possesions as before, we will gain back our freedoms and re-learn what life is really about.
    2008 Oct 09 03:28 PM Reply
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  • DUH!!! Of course it's being moved around. It has been years since the US had a positive balance. Thank you for stating the obvious. Next time add a little value to the article - like solutions.
    2008 Oct 09 03:35 PM Reply
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  • Wow, 1modelcitizen, you sure added value to this discussion.
    2008 Oct 09 03:44 PM Reply
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  • So with that said... what do we do? What are your suggestions? Our members of Myinvestorsplace.com been asking this question for quite some time... what do you suggest.. .we all know the facts... but what can the layman do???
    2008 Oct 09 03:46 PM Reply
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  • the babyboomers created this problem. then pull their retirement because it is too risky to invest. then blame everyone else. how did the greatest generation birth the worst, self serving generation in the history of this nation? thanks for screwing my generation. it is all about confidence by the way. my parents are getting the worst nursing home i can find when it is time.
    2008 Oct 09 03:50 PM Reply
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  • What to do?
    Buy some farmland in a temperate climate near freshwater, purchase lots of seeds and jars, pull the family back together, cook meals at home, learn to get by with less and save your money :)
    2008 Oct 09 03:51 PM Reply
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  • The President cannot spend money he isn't appropriated by Congress. And a HUGE portion of this increase in debt has occurred over the last 2 years (strangely enough, once a certain group took control over both houses of Congress ... who were they again?). If you're going to put any blame on the President, you also have to put a lion's share of the blame on those that gave him the money to spend to begin with: Congress.

    This is not a problem with capitalism; this is a problem with corrupt politicians not doing their jobs, and us, as their bosses, not doing ours.
    2008 Oct 09 03:55 PM Reply
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  • The US had been very proud of its "growth". Trouble is, the rate at which it has grown has required massive amounts of debt to sustain. Companies have "grown" at x% a year, and yet take out regular huge loans to make payroll.

    That's IRRESPONSIBLE growth, not SUSTAINABLE growth. So what we have now is the inevitable result.

    The stock market has taught us that slow growth is not enough. Now it'll have to adjust.
    2008 Oct 09 03:56 PM Reply
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  • I HOPE THE GOVERMENT BAILS OUT MY 401K.
    2008 Oct 09 04:02 PM Reply
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  • As my name says, I did not participate in this. Those who bought well over their means (i.e.: homes, cars, etc...) and signed loans w/ ARMS (aka: flex rates) and honestly thought they could afford it. One of two things happened; 1. They wore the rose colored glasses and did not read the fine print regarding how their payments would fluxuate. 2. Bought into knowing they would not be able to pay it back (MANY PEOPLE DID THIS!). Now there are people in homes that are being foreclosed on because companies like Fanny Mae & Freddie Mac put them there and sales people (only looking to line their pockets) sold them on it. Either way, it's not right. These CEO's that forged documents and reports... well there's a special place in hell for people just like that. So now... with this rescue "taking place"... those of us who did not buy into the ARMS scandal... what happens with us? We are stuck paying the bill for something we did not do. Nice...
    2008 Oct 09 04:02 PM Reply
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  • This financial mess could have been averted if Congress would have acted 4 years ago to remove George Bush from his digs at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Trust is what the public relies on and now we have lost all trust in our government because Bush has taught us how to lie.
    2008 Oct 09 04:09 PM Reply
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  • You do all realize that, save for a few narrowly defined executive order powers, the President has no real say in our economic fortunes? Indeed, the President, except for the bully pulpit his office affords, has little control over our financial fortunes, unless he chooses to sign or veto a bill presented by Congress. Democrats have controlled Congress, ergo all of the financial services, banking, regulatory and oversight committee's for the last 2+ years. Democrats have been in charge since approximately the time our economic decline started, yet they, the only ones with the power to do anything, have done nothing! I take it back, Democrats were the power behind the revised bankruptcy legislation that now prevents those in bankruptcy from disposing of credit card debt. Everybody say thanks to Senator Joe Biden for working his magic on the bankruptcy legislation to allow his cronies in the banking industry to prove that you can in fact get blood out of a stone!
    2008 Oct 09 04:09 PM Reply
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  • What's not mentioned are solutions: Get out of Iraq, NOW! Switche to a hyrdrogen economy now. Iceland is bankrupt, let's use their now cheap geothermal to make hydrogen and get out of this mess. Stop government bailout intervention, too late and a dime short. Impose new regulations, make ARM mortgages disappear. Bring back monetary discrimination, many white families are as poor as black families, neither should get home loans when they can't afford them.
    The S&%t has already hit the fan, government please don't toss more money in the toilet, instead let's set up some long-term solutions, BUT START TODAY !
    2008 Oct 09 04:10 PM Reply
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