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Hmmm... maybe I should've hung onto those gold coins...

Rex Nutting at MarketWatch had it right for about half the day today after noting the lack of central bank and government action early this morning and wondering if we'd make it until 4 PM, setting the bar ridiculously low per Dylan Ratigan of CNBC who figured, "Not down 500 is the new up."

It was a down day.

Stocks plunged late in the day, sending the Dow Jones industrials down 679 points, the lowest level in five years, based largely on fears of a ratings cut for General Motors Corp. Retirement plan investors are said to be furiously exchanging their stock mutual funds for cash - that didn't help.

It's not clear where we go from here.

The G7 meets tomorrow and the world's economic powers will attempt to stop the bleeding, if that's possible at this point. Credit markets are getting worse, not better, and U.S. stocks have lost more than 20 percent over the last seven days of trading. Foreign stocks are down 30 percent over the same period.

There doesn't seem to be any good news today.

The inventory at the SPDR Gold Shares ETF (GLD) rose by a couple of tonnes this afternoon, enabling the world's most popular gold ETF to finally pass Japan which had previously occupied the number 7 spot in the official world gold holdings - 765.74 tonnes for the ETF versus 765.2 tonnes for the Bank of Japan.

That hardly seems like it's worth crowing about, but it makes for a nice upward sloping chart, something that is in short supply these days.
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    Stocks plunge again! Stocks must find its true value that provides a reasonable margin of safety. All things considered, Dow 5k - 7k is a possible floor.
    2008 Oct 09 07:01 PM | Link | Reply
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    Four tough days for the market and more to come. Investors really need to make changes to their investing strategy if they have not already. This means move money into T-bills and municipal bonds and invest some overseas to guard as a hedge against the coming inflation of the US dollar. I use offshore bank accounts for this and they have helped me. If you would like to learn more, feel free to visit my website.

    Best,
    Frank Miller
    2008 Oct 09 07:06 PM | Link | Reply
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    Gee, knowing that our economic system is FUNDAMENTALLY unstable and dishonest because of fractional reserve banking backed up by a central bank sure gives me confidence.

    I'm a bear
    who'd like to be a bull.
    But how can I
    when pigs run the show?
    2008 Oct 09 07:23 PM | Link | Reply
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    Tim... I like you bio. Say, you wouldn't happen to have Greenspan's home phone number and address would you? I'm sure many of those on this site would be interested.... Hehehehehe...

    Seriously, when I was in my undergraduate program at UCLA decades ago, we learned a lot about the consequences, historically, for economic system failures. There is an absolute failure on the part of our government to prepare the population for what may be coming. Of course, it is possible that the politicians don't understand, or choose not to understand, what may go down.

    An economic collapse, especially at this time of year with winter coming, could be catastrophic. There may be mass migrations of the population... I'm not kidding you and I'm not being an "alarmist" when I say that it could be horrific -- much worse than the Great Depression. During the 1920's and 1930's the United States still had a significant portion of the population on family farms. Even those in the cities had realities, if not family, to fall back on for basics. No more.

    As an economist said in a Bloomberg report today... You may need a very "strong stomach" for what will happen in the future.
    2008 Oct 09 07:49 PM | Link | Reply
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    "It's not clear where we go from here."

    Off the cuff I'd say the trend is down for stocks and up for gold.

    Plan accordingly.
    2008 Oct 09 07:54 PM | Link | Reply
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    Curbs-in,

    I wouldn't say the government isn't planning ahead. The President ordered an entire brigade back to the homeland to serve on 'stand-by' for the North America region.

    Now I'm not being an alarmist either, but he didn't see the economic crisis coming... but he may know what is next!

    This is rather unsettling in my view.... google it. or I will post the link if you like. I've already read it
    2008 Oct 09 08:36 PM | Link | Reply
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    Curbs-in...

    Oh yeah, if the 'mass migration' takes place and you need a place to farm... I live next door to the country singer Alan Jackson. He has 200+ ac. of farmable land here and a 18,000 sq. ft. house to spare... we could hide in his mansion for a few weeks before he notices we are there!


    2008 Oct 09 08:39 PM | Link | Reply
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    May Greenspan live to see what he has wrought. I also wish Bernanke long life.
    2008 Oct 09 08:51 PM | Link | Reply
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    As for me, if no Ron Paul in 2012, then beam me up, Lord.
    2008 Oct 09 08:52 PM | Link | Reply
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    Moonbat,

    I posted last night: Ted Nugent/Ron Paul in 2012!
    2008 Oct 09 08:56 PM | Link | Reply
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    Looks like the Yuppie/Baby Boomer crack party is over. Actually it is just beginning. In most of the world when things go very bad, people buy gold; in the U. S. when things go very bad, people buy drugs.
    2008 Oct 09 08:57 PM | Link | Reply
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    Kath H, I must ask you where you reside?
    2008 Oct 09 08:59 PM | Link | Reply
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    Kath H.
    Perhaps that won't be necessary. Maybe the government will put antidepressants in the water supply to encourage stock buying. It is logical move, given its knowledge of economics.
    Actually, I expect the government to buy stocks "for us".
    2008 Oct 09 09:07 PM | Link | Reply
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    Write in Ron Paul.
    2008 Oct 09 09:10 PM | Link | Reply
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    Too late to short, not too late to SELL.

    Cash and fetal are the only two positions in this market. Don’t fall for the value trap, it is deleveraging and risk aversion – current value is of no consequence – we don’t know what the real value would be. If buyers/consumers don’t have money or credit it is game over. Apple may have cool products or fertilizers help crop yields – without money nothing will move. The reflation that the central banks are attempting will take a long time to take traction. D-word is in, long haul ahead.

    Stocks can go down to any level at this point 800, 700 who knows where we can end up in the next couple of weeks, or even tomorrow. Nikkei is down 11% already today.
    2008 Oct 09 09:24 PM | Link | Reply
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    2008 Oct 09 09:26 PM | Link | Reply
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    thedozer:

    Oh ya! Well I live next door to Michael Jackson and he said he has plenty of room there too. (If you are an underage male that is...)
    2008 Oct 09 09:29 PM | Link | Reply
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    I hear the Administration is warming up it's old idea to privatize Social Security. Now it they aint on drugs I dunno what!
    2008 Oct 09 09:29 PM | Link | Reply
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    Curbs, I knew there was something funny about you!

    anarchist... HEY, your money IS safe with SS... becasue the treasury HASN'T PRINTED IT YET!

    Hell, at least in the private sector you have a chance!

    How about this, abolish it all together... no privatization at all! then YOU actually get it and you can either save it, invest it, or smoke it!
    2008 Oct 09 09:35 PM | Link | Reply
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    For those of you who are interested in what thedozer had to say, the link to a "reputable" story from the Army Times in regards to the deployment of the military to the North American Command (NORTHCOM) is found here:

    www.armytimes.com/news.../

    OK. Let's examine this...

    First of all, I would like to express my personal fears in order:

    1. Living under declared Martial Law that has no way of working (anarchy).

    2. Living under Martial Law that works.

    First of all, a brigade is about 2,000-5,000 troops in general terms...

    Now I've said this before, Bush bringing about an "enforceable" Martial Law is as likely as FDIC having the funds to cover a run on the banks. A one percent solution simply won't work.

    Look at this another way... During basic natural disasters our government was a zip. During the Rodney King riots more troops were deployed to Los Angeles than participated in the invasion of Panama. Does anybody here really think that there are enough assets to enforce Martial Law ---- Really... It would look more like:

    1. Perhaps 70-90 percent of police officers abandoned their posts to protect their families.

    2. I'd guess 50 percent of federal law enforcement would do the same...

    3. Military -- look at Katrina and the Rodney King riots... They could cover say a couple of cities, but a complete breakdown of our country...

    We are not even addressing the fact that the military would need to shoot to kill soccer moms stealing baby food a Quickie Marts.

    None of this is plausible.

    The Nazis, etc. etc., had a high force ratio to population. I guess Bush could nuke an American city if things got too far out of hand....

    I think you can see such talk is ridiculous...



    2008 Oct 09 10:01 PM | Link | Reply
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    Curbs,

    hilarious! your fears: 1 ineffective martial law (anarchy)
    2 -or 'effective' martial law

    you gotta stop though... you're probably scaring people

    yes, that is why they are coming... but it's 'worst case scenario'

    kinda like an 'obama' administration.... wait... that's gonna happen...

    faith or fear folks, you can't have both. I'll take faith
    2008 Oct 09 10:11 PM | Link | Reply
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    "Faith" need an object. Or are you talking about "inertia" ;)
    2008 Oct 09 10:14 PM | Link | Reply
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    mke that "needs"
    2008 Oct 09 10:15 PM | Link | Reply
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    point recognized moonbat....

    NOT faith in Gov.... but the people here
    2008 Oct 09 10:19 PM | Link | Reply
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    amending.... and faith in God... but I realize most folks are religious.

    I have it in both... I understand if you don't
    2008 Oct 09 10:20 PM | Link | Reply
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    make that... many are not religious...
    2008 Oct 09 10:21 PM | Link | Reply
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    thedozer:

    Now if you were to say that the brigade's mission was to protect Congress for voting in favor of the bailout plan in spite of the overwhelming opinion against by their constituents. That makes more sense.
    2008 Oct 09 10:27 PM | Link | Reply
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    Question is --

    Would the military really pull the trigger to protect them...
    2008 Oct 09 10:29 PM | Link | Reply
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    The correct measures were adopted to address the market upheaval.
    The 700 billion dollars liquidity injecton is yet to transpire but it will be very effective as it will add 5 trillion dollars of stimulus(7 multiplier).
    The rate cuts enhance the effectivness of the 700 billion dollars"stability plan".
    The nonsense about the inability to borrowor or unwillingness to lend by the banking institutions must stop-standards were tightened period.
    Investors must simply comprehend the time frame of the antitodes in place and let go of psychosis.
    2008 Oct 09 11:33 PM | Link | Reply
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    Curbs in,

    your reply about NORTHCOM being scrambled for protecting Congress as it voted for the 'bailout'

    honestly, the funniest thing I've read in a LONG time...

    good work my man
    2008 Oct 09 11:49 PM | Link | Reply
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    My plan is to retreat to my Smarty_Pants Fortified Bunker Of Death (SPFBOD) where I can hide behind a Giant Wall Of Interlocked Kruggerands (GWOIK) and eat lots and lots of Spam Sandwiches (SS).

    Hahahahahahaha! They'll never win!!! If Curbs, dozer, or moonbat stop by with some mustard I'll probably let you in if you ask nicely.
    2008 Oct 10 12:00 AM | Link | Reply
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    spider etf is a govt intervention waiting to happen - if things go farther south expect the govt to buy it for pennies on the dollar
    2008 Oct 10 04:48 AM | Link | Reply
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    Spam works
    2008 Oct 10 11:13 AM | Link | Reply
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    Curbs-in that is really funny about the soccer moms ripping off the Quickie Marts for baby food..LOL I think I made a mistake buying another 25 shares of Morgan Stanley b4 the close on Thursday..at $12.67..oops..wife keeps bitching about a half a new roof we need on the house while I keep messing up..hehe..maybe she should join the soccer moms in those Quickie(HAHA) Marts..that reminds me 'We do have a kid that plays soccer' HaHa
    2008 Oct 10 11:24 AM | Link | Reply
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    today is the tenth - if the dow only losses 3% it will probably feel like a rally
    2008 Oct 10 12:41 PM | Link | Reply
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    I'm sorry if I was the only one shorting Gold this week but as my mom used to say I TOLD YOU guys, also sorry short term GOLD analysts from this site but the match goes Cesato 4, Analysts 1, so far. (I'm not an analyst by the way, just bend down the three so you can see the forrest) somebody selling coins? I may be buying one as a souvenir. Have you seen as well the massive double top at 986? I did? I may still be wrong so paper Gold holder tighten your stops, bullion holders suit yourselves depending on your window of safety, there will be blood near term in Gold prices but probably long term Gold will still glitter but it is a 3 years wait. Cheers, I'm going to Jamaica, nice week.
    2008 Oct 10 02:17 PM | Link | Reply
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    Don't worry Tim you did well selling your coins!!!
    2008 Oct 10 02:28 PM | Link | Reply
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    I think it may be nearing the time to bunker down. Get the supplies ready, looks like Marshall Law is coming. You know what that means. Only the strong survive. Wish everyone the best. Hope ya everything you need, everything is going to be in real short supply.
    2008 Oct 10 03:23 PM | Link | Reply
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    whatever happened to that blogger who was all about the plunge protection team PPT?
    Did they plunge too hard & go down the pipe?
    2008 Oct 10 03:42 PM | Link | Reply
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    Gabe- sorry if I don't wait on your prognostications. Paulson was in such a hot rush, what's he doing now?
    2008 Oct 10 03:46 PM | Link | Reply
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    Food for thought

    "An economist is an expert who will know tomorrow why the things he predicted yesterday didn't happen"

    Earl Wilson
    2008 Oct 10 03:48 PM | Link | Reply
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