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  • David White
    One of the really bad things about working at CSCO was that the bureaucrats new how to use their gossip system to perfection -- lots of lies
    9/29/12
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    • David White: I in no way restrict this to CSCO. There are plenty of nice people there too. Rather it seems to be generic to big tech companies.
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    • David White: For example, I have seen many comments on the internet from CRM sales & marketing folks who were extremely unhappy with the BS.
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    • David White: I especially remember one about a guy claiming that he and a number of compatriots suffered from PTSD it was so bad.
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    • David White: Many people think if a lot of people say something it must be true. The bureaucrats at these companies know how to take advantage of that.
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    • Bildar: David, you have to stop this. Nobody here wants to have this kind of stuff clutter up stocktalks.
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    • Bildar: I invite anyone who disagrees to please post their opinion.
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    • Hillbilly Stock Star: I go to Las Vegas two-three times per year It helps clear my head! WYNN, Long.
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    • Hillbilly Stock Star: I have neighbor who had both arms shot off in Nam, somedays I think I got it tough and see him go by on back of gf's motorcycle.
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    • Hillbilly Stock Star: Germany, Korea, Nam, people here have seen too many wars, they just want a few more days in Las Vegas Sun.
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    • westcoastinvests: Bill, I have tried to tell him the same thing
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    • David White: You guys have a point. But adage, "For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing", also applies.
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    • Bildar: David: Regarding "For evil to triumph": This is not the place to "do something".
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    • Bildar: I think the best thing that you can do is to do volunteer work for some community organization.
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    • Bildar: If you really get involved in doing something like that, and do a good job, a lot of good things will be said about you.
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    • Bildar: By "community organization" I mean an organzation that helps people in some way.
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    • David White: As it so happens I ahve done that in the past; and no that would likely not help with the lies and slurs people have told to deliberately
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    • David White: make me look bad. I resent that they can so easily use huge organizations to help them. From what I hear, a lot of other people should too.
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    • David White: This is not totally the wrong place to discuss it, since we are really discussing US business.
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    • David White: I also resent that people too often just look for juicy gossip. Many of them realize what they are repeating is probably false, yet they do
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    • David White: it anyway. I hope talking about it a bit helps. As I say a lot of people are victims. There are some perniciously vicious amoral people.
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    • David White: What's sad is that most people recognize the truth when they hear it. Many also recognize the weakness in lies and slurs, yet they still
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    • David White: propagate them. I heard people question my calling such people evil. My reply was "if they consider lies and slurs good, that is their
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    • David White: morality". In that case they may deserve what they get when such people turn their craziness on them.
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    • David White: I should add that I consider the vicious gossip propagated as a tool by hugely amoral few via the apathetic, bored many to be costly to
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    • David White: US productivity. As a result, many do not challenge what they should. Many live in fear of the viciousness of the few. Projects go in the
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    • David White: wrong directions far too long. US companies lose huge amounts of money. The first step is not to challenge. The first step it to convince
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    • David White: many not to be the vehicle of punishment for the vicious few. Once the threat of punishment is gone, the truly vicious can be challenged
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    • David White: openly with little fear. The meeker will have taken away their biggest threat.
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    • David White: Some say their biggest fear is for their job. However, if you do a good job, you should have little fear if the vicious cannot slander and
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    • David White: slur you through the corporate gossip. Few people can perpetually be seen to be the only one saying negative things about a person. When
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    • David White: you join in scapegoating and slandering when you don't really know anything about a situation, you are being a tool for the amoral, vicious
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    • David White: few. You are helping to create your own environment of fear. In other words you are your own biggest enemy. It would be smart not to work
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    • David White: against yourself.
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    • David White: I should mention that one of the amoral's tricks is to tell everyone that everyone in the company says something is true. If you hear this,
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    • Bildar: Hey everyone knows that negative office politics and gossip goes on.
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    • David White: can be virtually sure you should not repeat something. These people often purport to speak for the entire company.
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    • Bildar: That you can't seem to come to terms with this indicates that you may have a problem of sorts. This is not the place to handle it.
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    • David White: I should note that one guy who did this to me at CSCO purported to speak for everyone anytime he wanted to push his point, so they would
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    • David White: not concentrate on him as the source. Coincidentally many other people who had to associate with him then transferred or left the company.
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    • David White: From conversations with these people, each left at least partially because they were tired or afraid of this guy's viciousness.
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    • David White: As perhaps the least intimidating example, he several times a day in the weeks before this guy left repeated the following: he and the other
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    • David White: other guy had done a great job on the initial stages on the current project with little funding. Then he would compare that to another
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    • David White: project which had been cancelled early in its sales cycle. The sneaky point here is that the 2nd guy was the chief architect of the
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    • David White: cancelled project. Do you think this would wear on your nerves if you were the 2nd guy? I should note that the reasons for the project
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    • David White: being cancelled were probably largely that it was ill conceived from a marketing standpoint. In fact I argued this point with a VP years
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    • David White: before the project was cancelled, and I had a room full of witnesses. The point being that the architect guy was highly competent.
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    • David White: I should note that the VP seemed to have no hard feelings toward me. In fact he seemed to appreciate an honest opinion.
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    • Bildar: I'm curious. Have you talked to anybody about this, or do you just share this stuff on stocktalks?
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    • David White: Bildar: The fact that you seem to think that slander and slurs to discredit your fellow workers is acceptable conduct is proof of the fact
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    • David White: that you come from a culture outside the US. The culture clash is one of the problems in US business environments. US born believe in a
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    • David White: general sense of fairness and truth. Those who come from more third world environments often believe in screwing the other guy before he/she
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    • David White: can screw you. This is not the best way to do business. A lot of Asian businesses are much less efficient that US businesses. They just pay
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    • David White: their workers a lot less, so they manage to still do well. A healthier work environment is better for the company not just for the
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    • David White: individual. The fact that you are resorting to calling me marginally sane is an indication that you either did not bother to read what I
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    • David White: wrote, and then just decided to call me names anyway. Or you are clearly from a culture whose beliefs I despise.
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    • David White: I reject both your insult and your belief that abuse of workers by their peers or by superiors is and should be the normal case in the
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    • David White: workplace. In case you didn't read it much of what I said had to do with how workers can help themselves to avoid some of the abuse of the
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    • David White: amoral bureaucrats (some sociopaths). The fact that you seem to think this should be the status quo seems to tell me that you believe you
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    • David White: should be able to abuse people you work with. I won't bother trying to justify myself to one who wants to abuse his co-workers or employees.
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    • David White: I point out that slander and libel are technically illegal in the US, although they generally seem to be pooh-paahed in the workplace.
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    • David White: I went to the store today. Many were talking about this. I hit a note with a lot of people that they do not like to live in the fear the
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    • David White: the abusive (and I am sure in many cases sociopathic) behavior of the people I have been describing. Some pooh-paahed what I said.
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    • David White: But a large number have clearly known the fear, and they do not like living in that fear of having their reputations marred or destroyed
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    • David White: by some completely unscrupulous person who may have far less talent than they have. The numbers of people concerned with this issue are huge
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    • David White: As a side note I heard further comments about a Stanford class I took in which many people got D's and F's. First some were suggesting they
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    • David White: sue me. Then I heard that they found out what I said was true. I heard further that they made the class easier the next year. Then I heard I
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    • David White: have done as badly if not for the extension I got because my father died (yes he really did die that quarter near the end).
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    • David White: First I would have likely still done ok without the extension. I had the last program done, just not completely debugged. I am sure the
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    • David White: professor was being nice to me, and I appreciated his sympathy. However, I also think part of the reason is that it would have been much
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    • David White: difficult to grade a program that did not work completely. It's easy if everything works. I would guess that any halfway reasonable
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    • David White: excuse would have gotten an extension if that person's project had been at the same point in development as mine. So I fully reject any
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    • David White: negation of my eventual grade.
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    • David White: From a momentary standpoint let me sum up. Asian businesses are not more efficient than US businesses. They simply pay employees less.
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    • David White: If you want to eventually devolve into being as inefficient as many of those companies, the policies that allow for huge abuses will get you
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    • David White: there. If you want the US to have a chance at retaining higher salaries, then US companies have to operate more efficiently. A atmosphere
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    • David White: of fear and intimidation can only lead to sometimes large inefficiencies. They are not only unpleasant environments for you to work in,
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    • David White: they are a less efficient way to run a company for reasons I have already explained. The US needs to get off the downward track to
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    • David White: poorer working conditions before it is too late, and before even more business is lost due to the inefficiencies in that system.
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    • Bildar: David: You are making assumptions across the board. Personally, I don't like to be judgemental.
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    • Bildar: And I once was confronted with disruptive office politics, which I dealt with by leaving the job.
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    • Bildar: And I once went through a period where I had trouble coming to terms with something, and it was a problem. I finally dealt with it.
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    • Bildar: Most people are confronted with situations like that. I don't see that as a negative. If you do, that's a mighty hard line to take.
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    • Bildar: But the bottom line remains. This is not the place to deal with this stuff.
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    • Perkins Cove: David, as you know, I only read your "Stocktalks' when I see a reply from someone I DO want to read. May I suggest you put your writtings...
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    • Perkins Cove: (cont) in the "Blog" section here at SA? Much more space to vent your pent up troubles, and easier for those that DO want to hear from you.
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    • Perkins Cove: David, in addition, I sense you are a nice guy. Just very needy at this point of your life. At least that is how you come across. (cont)
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    • Perkins Cove: Believe me, and I speak from experience (recent death of a child), forums such as this are NOT good places to find advice when trying to ...
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    • Perkins Cove: (cont) ...deal with issues such as you express. At least try the "Blog" thing as a first step. Good Wishes and Good Luck.
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    • David White: Rialto: Since you try to insult me by bring up that you only follow someone as good as Bildar. I would mention you & Bildar together have
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    • David White: less than 50 followers, while more than 50,000 follow me. Someone must like to read what I write. You have your opinion, and you perhaps
      9/30/12
    • David White: have a point about my organizing my thoughts more into a specific article or instablog. However, from my trip to the store it is obvious
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    • David White: that many people have already been interested in not only reading this but talking about it afterwards.
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    • Perkins Cove: Dr Kris...I tried. David try the "Blog" thingy. It might work better for whatever you are trying to do. Evidently you are beyond my help.
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    • Bildar: David: You are turning away gestures of good will, but it seems that you see all of this another way.
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    • David White: Bildar while some of your comments may have been well intended, I am floored by your contention of goodwill when you attempt at one point
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    • David White: try to convince others that I am unbalanced for trying to bring people's attention to this very serious issue. You also at one point gave
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    • David White: impression that you believe people should be able to abuse their co-workers and employees. Then employees should just leave if they are
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    • David White: dissatisfied. I have a huge problem with both of those comments. I do not feel people should have to leave their jobs because amoral
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    • David White: bureaucrats or even sociopaths are allowed to abuse them in the workplace. I also strongly feel that this whole situation is bad for US
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    • David White: industry.
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    • Perkins Cove: Bildar and westcoastinvests, am I wrong in suggesting David take his laments to a blog, and make one link to it here on Stocktalks?
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    • David White: While I don't consider you a sociopath, it has been my experience that one of the tricks of amoral bureaucrats is to try to appear to
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    • David White: others to be trying to help them. Some I have heard try to say they are trying to help people by being abusive. I have never found that
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    • David White: to me, nor have I seen it help anyone else.
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    • David White: I should clarify that when I was referring to abuse just now I was talking about those propagating lies and slurs deliberately about
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    • David White: others in order to either discredit them professionally. If they are doing too good a job for that, the attempts are often to attack them
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    • David White: personally. Sometimes both tacks are used. If you think the "sneaky insulting of the architect" was imagined in any way. It must also have
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    • David White: been imagined that this behavior let up once the guy announced he was leaving. Then the other guy virtually stopped repeating that brag
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    • David White: once the guy was gone. To me that says he deliberately tried to force him to leave by making his life unpleasant until he did.
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    • David White: In my case this person was not only just insulting, he was propagating slanders to other people. This is so true that my boss recommended in
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    • David White: a meeting that I sue the guy. Since he was then effectiveley recommending that I sue the company, I considered this highly unusual.
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    • David White: This also tells you that my boss was afraid of the guy. He was completely unacceptably vicious. Yet people allowed this to continue in
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    • David White: many cases because they were afraid of how he would use the CSCO gossip against them.
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    • Perkins Cove: Whoa..."amoral bureaucrat". Me? I'm just a simple gardener. Sorry David. You do need much more help than you will EVER get here on SA..,
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    • David White: I guess you don't have to be in a bureaucracy to have the morals of an amoral bureaucrat.
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    • Bildar: David: I find no post of mine that states the you "are unbalanced", let alone anything that tries to convince others of this kind of thing.
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    • Bildar: I no longer read SA comments or articles regularly, as "Hal" does all I want for me. But I did read some of yours today, (con'td)
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    • Bildar: and they are very good. I do read your articles on occasion, and have always come to the same conclusion.
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    • Bildar: And you have consistently good feedback from readers of your articles. But on stocktalks, when post the personal stuff, (con'td)
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    • Bildar: I never see positive feedback with reference to your personal posts.
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    • David White: Bildar: I have gotten many sympathy replies. But in this case, the fact that I heard many people discussing it in a concerned way (about
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    • David White: their own issues with this kind of corporate behavior) was more than enough reward for me to encourage me to write this king of thing.
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    • David White: This one was to a large extent about how such behavior impacts people other than me and US business, so it was by no stretch just a personal
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    • David White: post. I simply used personal experience to illustrate it. Also I don't have to worry about libel if I say things I know I can back up if I
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    • David White: have to.
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    • David White: In another sense you are correct that I sometimes use stock talk to address negative gossip or even comments that are just getting started.
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    • David White: I acknowledge that most of those have little interest to most others. However, this was definitely not one of those cases. I have been
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    • David White: hearing a lot of complaints that the corporate environment is vicious at the moment. I also as you have heard, have had bad experiences
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    • David White: myself. There is a lot of abuse that is going on. I do not believe as you have suggested that all those people should have to just leave
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    • David White: their jobs in order to make their lives more livable. I have suggested in this long post that the first step in addressing these abusive
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    • David White: people is to address their biggest source of power. They usually are very adept at manipulating the company and other gossip. They often
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    • David White: create slander and slurs to intimidate and hurt anyone they are mad at for whatever reason. It can be as simple as one having dared to
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    • David White: disagree with them. Some can virtually make you an enemy for life do to one instance of offense. It is hard to police all of this because
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    • David White: offenders make sure the sources of the gossip are diverse. Often these people have been with the company an extended period. They know
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    • David White: their system well. You will never likely know it as well as them. however, one way to lessen their ability to intimidate and to hurt is to
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    • David White: make the gossip disappear or lessen by a lot. You can do this by not repeating gossip about anyone not in your group or your report list.
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    • David White: You can even not repeat gossip about those in your group if you have no knowledge of the situation. When you do this, and perhaps try to get
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    • David White: your friends to restrict themselves also, you take away the biggest weapon of these people. If they then persist in attacking you, they will
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    • David White: You can even not repeat gossip about those in your group if you have no knowledge of the situation. When you do this, and perhaps try to get
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    • Perkins Cove: OMG David...please stop digging. Get help!
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    • David White: others to do the same, they will likely have to expose themselves each time as the source of the negativity. Any company will soon notice
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    • David White: that one person is a major source of negativity, bad feelings, and even slander. Not many companies will put up with such open displays
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    • David White: of malice. When you let them hide behind the gossip system, you are doing them a favor. Plus by repeating all sorts of extraneous
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    • David White: probably malicious gossip, you are helping an amoral bureaucrat/sociopath torture someone else. Such a person may be torturing you next.
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    • David White: Plus the very existence of hugely negative gossip makes you fear for your reputation more than you should have too, even if you are not
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    • David White: the subject of it currently. S lot of people feel this kind of fear in their jobs, and it makes them hate their jobs. It also makes them not
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    • David White: want to speak out on issues when it would likely be better for them and for the company for them to do so. They are afraid of retribution
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    • David White: from one of these very controlling people. If you help to do away with the negative gossip by not repeating most if not all of it,
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    • David White: you will go a long way toward making your life and other lives in your company more livable. Then you can also speak on the issues with
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    • David White: less fear of retribution, and the company will likely do better too.
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    • David White: Most people are afraid of the gossip, not physically afraid of the person. If you do away with the gossip (or most of it). You will do away
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    • Perkins Cove: (jaw drops) I rest my case.
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    • David White: with a lot of their power over you. If enough people are persuaded to take this course of action, it might well work.
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    • David White: I point out that Mulally at Ford has changed their corporate culture for the better by dissolving cabals and personal empires. He has
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    • David White: been successful at ending a lot of the kind of gossip I have been describing. These situations can be bettered in different ways. But
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    • David White: employees can help themselves to better theirs, regardless of management's actions by doing away with a lot of the malicious gossip.
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    • Perkins Cove: I am a gardener...[IMG]http://bit.ly/Pouqqq[/IMG].
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    • Perkins Cove: Your words saying my opinion is worth nothing is all I need to know. Please get help.
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    • David White: Rialto: Just why do you think you have any expertise on corporate politics? Not only are you asserting that, but now you are apparently
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    • Perkins Cove: Funny, that was the word I was gonna use for you. Thank you David for another lesson in what NOT to take from the Internet. And SA.
      9/30/12
    • David White: X oil-field: A lot of people are clearly both interested and concerned about this topic. You may or may not be. But if you suggest that by
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    • David White: trying to address it in what I consider to be a constructive manner means I am somehow less sane as Rialto just did, then you probably are.
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    • David White: I suppose you could say I have an axe to grind. However, the point at which I could likely exact any retribution is really long past.
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    • David White: Therefore to think that I am doing this to exact some sort of retribution is wrong. I am really doing it because as a past victim, I wish
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    • David White: to help others not be as victimized.
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    • David White: I also really do believe that fear the amoral bureaucrats and sociopaths in business in their colleagues engender is bad for US businesses.
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    • David White: I further believe that on a weekend especially day such talk is appropriate for Stock Talk.
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    • David White: only a little.
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    • David White: There is some truth to what you say. In this case I got the impression that his boss liked the fact that he seemed to be "cracking the whip"
      10/1/12
    • David White: by being hard on people. However, I don't think he really understood what was going on. He later put a marketing manager in charge of the
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    • David White: small group in the project the guy I talked about effectively took over after he pushed the architect fellow out. The marketing manager was
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    • David White: supposed smooth over relations with the team and the customers. Guess how the guy who thought he had been building an empire treated the
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    • David White: marketing manager. Not well! I also heard that this guy turned on his boss later too. the marketing manager may have had something to do
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    • David White: with that. The guy was one of those hoarders of tribal knowledge, so he made himself hard to fire or oust. He was a good, but not great
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    • David White: engineer.
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    • David White: you have no idea how much sympathy I have for that marketing manager, who is real a good guy and very competent.
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    • David White: I should mention that this guy also berated customers -- one of the reasons for the marketing manager.
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    • David White: I also vaguely remember that the guy had applied for a job on the cancelled project talked about above. I believe they turned him down
      10/1/12
    • David White: because they didn't wan to work with him. He may have had an axe to grind against anyone who had been on that project.
      10/1/12
    • David White: Some may think this last was just some gossip I heard. However, I was one of the most extroverted guys on the cancelled project. I knew
      10/1/12
    • David White: most people and groups. I just don't want to sound too sure because it was a minor point about someone I hardly knew at that point.
      10/1/12
    • David White: Now I hear the above guy is saying that if I really had a case I'd sue. I might not, but I am sure he would. Enough said.
      10/2/12
    • David White: I have also heard that I only contributed some very infrequent, although bad bugs. The director in charge told me that major problem of the
      10/2/12
    • David White: product to customers was that it was flaky and unstable. Roughly 10 of the "infrequent problems" I found indicated memory overwriting
      10/2/12
    • David White: problems. These are hard to find. They make products flaky because they can cause different problems each time the code is recompiled.
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    • David White: In my mind these were the problems my Director emphasized that I find.
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    • westcoastinvests: I guess this is cheaper then paying a therapist
      10/2/12
    • David White: I get defensive when I hear all the crap. I can't help it sometimes. My sister has told me to ignore it all many times, but I don't seem
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    • David White: to be built quite that way.
      10/2/12
    • westcoastinvests: David, you really need to get some help,not trying to be mean you are struggling with some things, I don't think you are happy
      10/2/12
    • David White: I am not perfectly happy. But I am happy about any number of things. People with high IQ's are often defensive because they tend to be
      10/2/12
    • David White: perfectionists. If you are old enough to remember Reggie Jackson, he was defensive a lot about his baseball performance even though he was
      10/2/12
    • David White: one of the greatest of all time. He was also Mr. October because he got psyched up by all the crowd support. Pouted earlier with fan
      10/2/12
    • David White: negativity.
      10/2/12
    • David White: Was Reggie happy. No doubt he was sometimes. Sometimes he was not.
      10/2/12
    • Perkins Cove: westcoastinvests, he's still typing, mostly to himself, after two days. This has to be a record Stocktalk. Sad.
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    • David White: Okay. I will try to end here. Naturally the roughly 10 memory overwriting bugs were not the only thing I did. Also I was on that project for
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    • David White: a relatively short time for a maintenance release. That was supposed to be a steady version for customers and a stable base to build from.
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    • David White: Naturally it would not mean future releases with new bugs would be stable. I did hear that they wanted me to come back when they were
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    • David White: having the same king of problems with the next major release. This talk should indicate why I may not have wanted to.
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    • David White: I should add that the guy I am talking about always insulted what I did, saying anyone could have done it. Yet they hadn't after the
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    • David White: product had been out more than a year. I also heard they had huge delays and huge cost overruns on the next version due to similar problems.
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    • David White: It is always easy to see the solution after you have it. It's a lot harder to find it in the first place.
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    • westcoastinvests: how do I escape this thread, David please get some help
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    • Bildar: David, some data: You lost 7 followers since you started this thread.
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    • David White: Bildar: Actaully I perpetually lose followers. I gain them with each new article. Many stay with me longer term. I doubt this tread had a
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    • David White: lot to do with it. Anyone with 50,000+ followers likely loses followers perpetually. A reader can only follow so many at a time.
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    • David White: I haven't written any new articles recently partly because I am wary of a retracement. I would like a bit more clarity from the EU/ECB.
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    • Bildar: It's harder to follow folks who do lots of stocktalks because it tends to clutter the SA feed. That might be contributing factor.
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    • Bildar: This is my last comment on this thread. Folks are getting tired of it.
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    • westcoastinvests: As the person with the most followers due to a ridiculous amount of stocktalks, David has become a self fulfilling prophecy.
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    • westcoastinvests: New members are defaulted to follow him because he's the most followed, it's an odd policy for SA.
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    • David White: westcoastinvests: I suppose the rather large number of gratuitous "thank you for a good article" comments have nothing to do with it.
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    • David White: westcoastinvests: I suppose the rather large number of gratuitous "thank you for a good article" comments have nothing to do with it.
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    • westcoastinvests: I almost feel badly now engaging you, but due to SA's policy, you have far more "no longer active" followers the FB.
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    • westcoastinvests: I think we should honestly write to SA and ask they reconsider their policy.
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    • David White: Feel free. I am not even sure of the exact policy. It has changed a number of times. However, I have vaguely followed others with similar
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    • David White: numbers of followers. They seem to have roughly the same drop out rates. Some are worse than mine. I am content that I am well enough liked.
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    • David White: If you want to see some negative comments on me, look at my articles on X, and PCX that called for shorting them. Look at what happened to
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    • westcoastinvests: You are anything but content.
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    • David White: those stocks and company results. You can't always go by the commenters or de-selecters. They are often emotional. That doesn't
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    • David White: mean they are correct. They may well in fact be doing themselves a disservice by de-selecting you. I have seen far too many articles that
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    • David White: simply follow the crowd or the analysts. That generally doesn't turn out well as the crowd is late getting in and out.
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    • westcoastinvests: David, you truly don't understand?? Your stocktalks rambling read as if you are essentially losing touch with reality.
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    • westcoastinvests: NOONE appreciates your stocktalks do every one a favor and stop. Then wait and see how many people post stocktalks asking for you to resume
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    • westcoastinvests: I'd say the over/under is 2, as Detto may show up to suggest you get back to rambling incoherantly.
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    • David White: You just enjoy insulting me. You also seem to envy my number of followers. All seven of yours must love to see all these insults. Perhaps
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    • David White: are the one losing touch with reality. I was just now trying to be polite. I can see you are not worth my trouble.
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    • westcoastinvests: Sigh, good luck.
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