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  • Justin M. Hall
    10/15/12 9:09P ET: { Romney v. Obama } Today, Mitt Romney Lost the Election (Josh Barro, Bloomberg 9/17/12) http://bloom.bg/V3dZW5
    10/15/12
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    • Justin M. Hall: It's time for Mr. Barro to meet Dunce Hat. Arrogance never pays.
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    • Hypnos7: Or overestimating the attention span of undecided voters.
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    • Buddaus: hahahahaha Good stuff
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    • Justin M. Hall: I see it a bit differently. I think the undecideds are just starting to pay attention. All they had to do was watch the first debate.
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    • Justin M. Hall: The second debate is likely to be more challenging for the President.
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    • Buddaus: Maybe he will be wearing secret agent sun glasses with a built in teleprompter...
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    • Hypnos7: Esp. now that Candy Crowley has asserted that she will ask follow-up questions. Romney has proven he can be combative (if also inconsistent)
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    • Justin M. Hall: Setting aside the back-n-forth BS, I just want to see things improve. Obama has been a terribly ineffective leader.
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    • Hypnos7: That said, Obama intrade chart is due for a bounce. Either it does or Obama breaks below trend support w/ another weak debate performance :P
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    • Justin M. Hall: Hypnos, forget about Romney, a successful business man, for a second. After debate 1, the burden of proof shifted to Obama.
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    • Justin M. Hall: VP Joe Biden caused more harm than helped the President. Honestly, I firmly believe this election is already over.
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    • Hypnos7: I agree that if it does not inspire confidence if you don't defend your own positions. Bill Clinton did this very well.
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    • Justin M. Hall: After SOS Hillary Clinton fell on the sword, Obama's odds of recovery are very, very slim.
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    • Hypnos7: Depending on what polls you read, Ryan helped his side more than Biden did. But it's not clear it matters that much overall.
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    • Justin M. Hall: The President, not the SOS, is supposed to say, "I accept full responsibility." Obama either looks like or is a wimp.
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    • Justin M. Hall: Hypnos, I agree. I do not think the VP debate matters, but Biden caused more harm to the President who desperately need help after debate 1.
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    • Hypnos7: One thing I have observed (anecdotally) is that Republicans want a strong leader, and Democrats want intellectual/policy integrity.
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    • Justin M. Hall: The election changed dramatically after debate 1. It is near impossible to overcome surges this late in the game. Just ask John McCain.
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    • Hypnos7: While Democrats were disappointed in Obama's debate performance, they were just as concerned with Romney's policy inconsistencies.
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    • Hypnos7: Republicans were quite pleased, and not at all concerned with the lack of specifics or flip-flops on abortion.
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    • Justin M. Hall: Effective leaders gets results. Results matter. Simple stuff. Intellectuals are typically best in classrooms.
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    • Hypnos7: Clinton was successful because he did both, which helped to capture independents whatever they want.
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    • Justin M. Hall: On that note, didn't Romney earn both a MBAIF.OB and JD at the same time while at Harvard?
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    • Hypnos7: I don't think anyone contends Romney is dumb.
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    • Justin M. Hall: You're right about Clinton. He was able to pivot. Obama couldn't get a deal done. You should take a look at Woodward's book.
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    • Hypnos7: Sometimes effective leaders get wrong results. The younger President Bush comes to mind.
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    • Hypnos7: Or I should say, forceful leaders. Effective leaders, IMHO, also have intellectual integrity.
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    • Justin M. Hall: Sorry, I'm only interested in the 2012 Presidential election.
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    • Justin M. Hall: I've done my homework on Romney and like his plan. Obama's plan failed by his own goals.
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    • Hypnos7: Those who fail to learn the from history are doomed to repeat it. I would take Obama's ineffectuality over Bush's forcefulness any day
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    • Hypnos7: What is Romney's plan? Is there a written document with a budget that they would attest to, even the Ryan one?
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    • Justin M. Hall: Many of his ideas are detailed in his book. If you're really interested in details, you might check it out.
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    • Justin M. Hall: But I don't think you're all that interested, Hypnos. :-)
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    • Justin M. Hall: He outlined his case in the debate. He wrote a book, detailing a plan.
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    • Justin M. Hall: Maybe Obama and his campaign folks should do a little work. But they won't. It's easier to argue, "no details" - an old fear tactic.
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    • Justin M. Hall: This election is about Obama. His plan based on his own goals failed. So, we need to give someone else a shot. Simple stuff.
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    • Bildar: Justin: You "like his plan"? What plan? No specifics = fairy dust. His book doesn't address the specifics of the tax issue at all.
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    • Justin M. Hall: Bildar, that's not true.
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    • Bildar: Give me a page number. Romney can't even give specifics now.
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    • Bildar: Add to that are his switcheroos. He has zero credibility. I know, I know, republicans don't care about credibility.
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    • Bildar: And Politifact debunked the case Ryan presented at the debate about taxes: http://bit.ly/SX9AAT
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    • Buddaus: How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie-pop?
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    • Justin M. Hall: Three.
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    • Justin M. Hall: Bildar, If you read the book and you should find a chapter covering the economy, unemployment, and taxes.
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    • Buddaus: Do you count the bite, as a lick?
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    • Bildar: It doesn't give any specifics, and doesn't answer any of the tax questions posed to Romney that he refuses to answer. Check it out.
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    • Buddaus: I do
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    • Justin M. Hall: When more people work and pay taxes, tax revenues increase. And when less work ... you get the idea.
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    • Justin M. Hall: Hahaha! I can't count.
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    • Buddaus: Im teaching my daughter to count in Spanish, new language in America....
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    • Bildar: Yes, Justin, I've heard the 'just trust me' air talk.
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    • Hypnos7: It's true I haven't read Romney's book. But if the details are in his book, why doesn't he say, "read my book" ?
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    • Bildar: And I am aware that air talk is good enough for republicans.
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    • Hypnos7: Chris Wallace on Fox has done a good job pursuing this issue -- Ryan dodged specifics in his interview.
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    • Justin M. Hall: I'm going to teach my kids Latin. After that, I'm moving everyone to Australia or New Zealand.
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    • Hypnos7: If you play with any budget simulator (for example: http://bit.ly/GQbbVQ), what vague ideas Romney and Ryan are selling don't work
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    • Hypnos7: The upshot is that even if you raise taxes, you will have to reduce entitlement benefits and military spending
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    • Justin M. Hall: Agreed on Chris Wallace Hypnos, but I did not catch the interview. I did see highlights of his interview w/ Obama's guy on Benghazi.
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    • Bildar: Watch Chris Wallace pursue the tax issue on youtube: http://bit.ly/PyOyJq
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    • Justin M. Hall: These "details" are totally irrelevant. You know it. I know it. Wallace knows it. => What matters most here is results.
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    • Justin M. Hall: Obama tried his plan. And he failed to meet his own goals. It's very simple stuff.
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    • Justin M. Hall: No one on this planet could provide you with enough details.
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    • Bildar: No I don't know it. The details are important, unless you are a follower and believer of air talk.
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    • Justin M. Hall: Details of Romney's plans are not the issue here. The issue is whether or not Obama deserves four more years.
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    • Justin M. Hall: Based on the results or lack thereof, he does not.
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    • Bildar: Obama's plan is working. Notice the stock market, job creation, etc.
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    • Bildar: Justin: Do you think the problems in Europe had an effect on our stock market?
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    • Hypnos7: Details don't matter? Then how do you know whether the concept is coherent or consistent with reality?
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    • Justin M. Hall: Trying to peg me as something else Bildar? C'mon man. Read the book! I did. I like his plan.
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    • Buddaus: How about that BAC today.. woo hoo
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    • Justin M. Hall: Hypnos, trust me when I tell you - Americans don't care about the details of a plan. They want results. Obama's speak for themselves.
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    • Justin M. Hall: BAC is looking good, my friend. :-)
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    • Buddaus: Its like a naked innocent boy roaming the countryside...
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    • Justin M. Hall: Have a good evening all.
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    • Buddaus: Peace buddy
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    • Justin M. Hall: Yeah, the judge said I could not do that sort of thing anymore.
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    • Buddaus: hahahahaha thats hilarious
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    • Buddaus: Your leg bracelet beeps near schools?
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    • Hypnos7: JH: You are probably right on that count.
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    • Justin M. Hall: Six months of house arrest isn't what I call a vacation.
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    • Justin M. Hall: :-) Have a good night all!
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    • Buddaus: hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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    • Buddaus: Dont economists call that a "staycation" We can only afford a vacation on my porch with the Obama economy!
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    • Buddaus: Plastic $7 dollar pool and all!
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    • Justin M. Hall: Lord, I apologize for this very sad attempt at humor.
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    • Justin M. Hall: Hahaha! You've got one of those Green Frog pools too. Sweet shade and lemonade.
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    • Buddaus: Mink thong attracts the housewives...
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    • Buddaus: Bed time for real. Peace! Go BAC
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    • Buddaus: nice wallpaper
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    • Justin M. Hall: :-) Have a good night.
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    • joe kelly: If Obama could debate and blame the media for his troubles as well as Gingrich this would have been over last year. Good night dudes.
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