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  • Seppo Sahrakorpi
    Nokia ($NOK) to Delay Keyboard-Equipped Lumia, Leaves Market Open for BlackBerry ($BBRY) http://bit.ly/YOcWZD
    3/1/13
    Reply (65)
    • C.E.: MSFT not supportive?
      3/1/13
    • Seppo Sahrakorpi: I do not know. NOK says that people are requesting this, but in decreasing numbers. Perhaps they also do not want to introduce even more...
      3/1/13
    • Seppo Sahrakorpi: ....Lumia models. They are already struggling with supply issues. WP being based on Win I do not think there should be any issues tech/OS...
      3/1/13
    • Seppo Sahrakorpi: ...wise to support a keyboard. And, remember that Nokia has a long history of keyboard smartphones (Comunicator series)
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    • Nefas: even if they came out with it...bbry simply rules with keyboard devices!
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    • Seppo Sahrakorpi: If Nokia really wants to go after the enterprise audience, it would be good to have a keyboard version of e.g. 820 or 920 class machine.
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    • Nefas: i find it very dumb of nokia to battle with smartphone devices like apple, samsung and now bbry....they should go their own way!
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    • LumiaMan: PHYSICAL KEYBOARDS ARE STUPID, A BAD MOVE
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    • C.E.: If all other manufacturers of Win8 do not produce a physical KB version, then likely chance is MSFT not supportive
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    • C.E.: MSFT may be worried that Win8 with KB will cannibalise their other product range?
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    • Seppo Sahrakorpi: @CE Interesting thought, I do not know. But perhaps the demand is not anymore there en masse, even BBRY launched Z10 1st.
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    • C.E.: Nefas,that's why I think Elop is the problem. His strategy is wrong from day 1. Now NOK wants to be like Samsung, but hampered by MSFT
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    • C.E.: Seppo2, I assure you there is pent up demand for a good KB smart phone. I still hate typing on a glass after 3 years on galaxy phones
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    • C.E.: I tried HTC ChaCha, gave up after 1 week as Android is not fully tweaked to suit KB. The OS must be properly redesigned for KB version.
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    • C.E.: Hence I suspect MSFT is dragging its feet as a separate KB OS means more resources and possible cannibalisation of their other products.
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    • alphaRAJU: Wanting a KB is old school. Remember when CAD was introduced, draftsmen / women were up in arms. All the drafting tables are gone now.
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    • alphaRAJU: Example, I just bought my Surface RT and bought a cyan touch keyboard. I hardly use it because I love the on screen keyboard.
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    • LumiaMan: KB???
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    • alphaRAJU: Sorry.....kb=keyboard
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    • sprasad03: @CE, Elop is doing a great job, Nokia needs WP8 to pick up in market share, you cant attack every niche market. KB is a niche.
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    • sprasad03: I work in Fort 500, ELOP is right, KB is popular but is a down trend, no business jumps on a downtrend when fighting for survival.
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    • Andreas Hopf: Lackberry KB lovers: UK Chavs, UK Lawyers, Canadian die-hard fans, Indonesian and South African texters. If a pysical KB was in such demand,
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    • Andreas Hopf: then Sony, Samsung, Apple, etc. would have launched such models.
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    • Nefas: You are aware its super hard to actually develop a Smartphone with Physical Keyboard? They Whole diplay size changes.
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    • Nefas: You need to adapt the software gui etc. And the mechanical keyboard has to be very good. Its a niche market! and bbry is taking all of it!
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    • Andreas Hopf: KB increases device thickness and weight. If implemented as slider, mechanics come into the equation. The physical KB is a revenue niche.
      3/1/13
    • qdmj6: QWERTY is history, and QWERTY should be let it be history
      3/1/13
    • Nefas: except for the fact that there are still Millions of users who prefer QWERTY!
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    • Andreas Hopf: Why, then, have neither Apple nor Samsung, especially the latter with their broad range of devices, never attempted to cash in on QWERTY?
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    • Andreas Hopf: Because it is a much too marginal user base in the large scheme of things. Besides, all these extra components, which could also fail...
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    • Andreas Hopf: Even my FedEx or DHL man have no hardkey devices anymore, they're all touchscreen operated.
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    • Nefas: ...good lord some ppl...why samsung and apple didnt do it? They are producing for the normal consumer market.
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    • Nefas: you have no idea how hard it is to actually bring out a complelty different device!
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    • Andreas Hopf: Working also in that field, I know exactly what it entails. And, because the potential user base is too small to be economically viable,
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    • Andreas Hopf: the Canadians might as well pick up these morsels of revenue :)
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    • Nefas: too small? you call 80Million PPL a too small potential user base?
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    • Andreas Hopf: Not all of these theoretically existing users 1. will stay with BBRY and 2. must under all circumstances have a hardkey device.
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    • Nefas: 1) they have stayed with bbry so far now they have good products in the pipeline and they are gonna switch?
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    • Andreas Hopf: Again: if hardkey devices were de rigueur, you can be sure the competition would have them in their portfolio to skim off that user base.
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    • Nefas: 2) did you even look at the blackberry devices sold in the past years? almost all are keyboard devices. i dare say its 99% keyboard!
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    • Nefas: So your point was?
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    • Seppo Sahrakorpi: Why did BBRY itself launch Z10 first and then Q10 much later, if KB is so important for their target audience or user base?
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    • Nefas: Its all about image? BBRY wanted to show that they are modern and up to date? And touchscreen show that unlike KB!
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    • Nefas: Its all about Marketing in that regard. If you wanna show the world and not only your customers you are good.
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    • Nefas: You arent gonna release a Product for a Minority (still huge fanbase) but for the Majority (the world)
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    • Nefas: As simple as that!
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    • KIA Investment Research: IMHO Nokia has no intention of creating a keyboard, but they would love for BB to wast there time there.
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    • Nefas: Its a conservative estimate but i think there are more 30Million PPL waiting for the Q10 to come out. Look up all the Bold useres!
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    • KIA Investment Research: "They Whole diplay size changes." Incorrect. the keyboard slides out from under the display on my Droid http://bit.ly/15X51fD
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    • Nefas: sliders...no one wants them...good lord luke
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    • KIA Investment Research: Agreed. when I bought the phone I thought I wanted a KB .. I never ever use it. The KB will a waste of energy and resources for BB.
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    • Andreas Hopf: When you develop a new mobile handheld device, the question is simple: max screen or max hardkey area. Both won't fit the form factor :D
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    • Andreas Hopf: Clearly, consumers love max screen real estate. Of the 700m smartphones sold 2012 globally, how many had hardkeys?
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    • Nefas: Well if i look at Quarterresults...BBRY sold over 7Million KB Smartphones (in one Quarter)!
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    • Nefas: Meaning there is a huge demand for the Q10!
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    • Andreas Hopf: Z10 sales have no correlation to potential Q10 sales later on. When the Audi A4 sells well, it means not necessarily that the A5 will, too.
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    • Nefas: I am not talking about the Z10 but the bold...you know nothing about bbry as it seems.
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    • C.E.: I would say a significant number of teenagers and working adults would like to have a well executed KB phone. Android was never customized
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    • C.E.: properly for KB. And apple becos of Jobs believe only in singular iPhone design, just like their believe in 10" tablets until recently.
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    • C.E.: I'm sure a few can recall all the jokes and dissing on small form tablets just a year ago. But the mkt prove that even Steve was wrong.
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    • C.E.: So hold ur horses and remember ur thoughts on KB phones. Next yr we shall see if there is a big enough mkt for KB phones.
      3/1/13
    • Heinz Doofenshmirtz: I'm not so sure Jobs was "wrong" as much as missed the timing. The obvious existing world analogy is the size of paper that the world...
      3/2/13
    • Heinz Doofenshmirtz: has chosen as standards. The most popular by far being 8.5 x 11". But there are other sizes of paper pads for differing preferences.
      3/2/13
    • Andreas Hopf: Letter size... if the world ends on U.S. or Canadian borders, yes :)
      3/2/13
    • C.E.: Heinz, just google on what jobs said abt small form tablets. Definitely not a timing issue. People r not as homogeneous in their preference
      3/3/13