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On Jan 09 03:19 PM Ricard wrote:
> How about this: > > I've been in tech since 2002, with the hope that it returns to 1/3 > of its 2000 valuation within 10 years - this has easily been true > of the major tech names, and I have done quite well with this position. > > > With shippers (and in my case EXM), I am looking for something similar > - 1/3 of its high (around 20) with a 5-10% dividend within 3-5 years. > That would justify its stock price today. Your thoughts?
In ten years, anything is possible. I just beleive, that given current situation in the dry bulk market, EXM PPS, its NAV and all the risks involved, its clearly a sell. It will be a challange for this company even to survive. I have a bearish opinion regarding dry bulk industry, but in this sector, SBLK and DSX look significantly better. SBLK has manageable debt and above the market charters that signinificantly exceed its market cap. Some of its charterers might default of course, but its really another problem inherent to all bulkers. I beleive most of them will honor obligations. DSX has very little debt, so it at least it's going to survive. I would buy one of these companies as a long-term investment.
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You are clearly putting too much hope in Chinese stimulus package. Consider that 10% of that package will be spent buying steel. That's quite a lot, in fact, even for railways, the actual number is significantly lower. The package is for 2 years, so $29 bln. will be spent on steel this year. This is about 38 mln. mt in current prices. In order to produce that amount of steel, 58 mln. mt of iron ore is required. One capesize vessel carries about 1 mln. mt of iron ore a year. So, we are talking about 58 capes to cover all needs of chinese stimulus plan. This year, about 200 newbuild capes and 17 VLOCs will hit the water. Numbers clearly don't add up.
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Dry bulk stocks are on an upswing at the moment, but there are lots of coming news that seem not to be factored in at the moment. The most important thing is that a lot of companies, especially EXM, GNK and DRYS are in deep violation of loan covenants. The only company in the sector that solved this problem, for the time being, is EGLE. As a result of the agreement with lenders, it is now restricted from paying dividends. After this news hit the wires, the stock price of EGLE tumbled over 30%. For GNK and EXM, it's more difficult to reach such agreement, because market values of their fleets (without taking into consideration above the market charters) are actually below outstanding loans. The most difficult situation is, in my opinion, for EXM. Nordea bank, which is the lead lender of EXM, had significant losses on other bulkers, such as Britannia and more recently Armada. They could take tougher position.
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I don't predict doom and gloom for the world economy. I just beleive dry bulk bubble has popped and the business is going back to normality. A newbuilding capesize for $50 mln. is normal, but $150 mln. is a bubble valuation. Charter rates of $15000 a day for a cape is normal, but $250000 a day is an extreme case of the bubble. There was shortage of dry bulk ships to carry iron ore to China in 2007-2008, but that problem has already been addressed. A new class of ships (VLOCs) has emerged and it is going to completely cover Brazil-China route. Dry bulk fleet was renewed and dramatically expanded and new massive shipyard capacity has been developed. So, all the hopes of the chinese coming back is like hoping that internet stocks would go back to early 2000 valuations. Have a look at EXM historical prices. It was under $8 a share as recently as 2006 and under $1 a share in 2003. Since that time it made decent profit on the spike in BDI, but spent significantly more than that buying QMAR assets at bubble prices.
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FPE (for 2009) is also meaningless, because it is mainly the result of long-term charters which started at the boom time. EXM has about 60% charter coverage for 2009, has much lower coverage for 2010 and almost zero coverage for 2011. New charters will be commenced at new rates, close to breakeven on operating basis, but clearly nowhere near the rates which are required to service huge debt. PEG ratio is laughable in case of EXM and other bulkers. There's just no growth in earnings in sight for them. Order cancellation is clearly an issue for 2010 and beyond, but not for 2009. It's just too late to cancel. Orderbook for 2009 looked huge even before worldwide recession became apparent. Imagine the size of oversupply given the slowdown. Current uptick in the rates is quite explainable and has always been reflected in freight futures (FFA) market. It's pretty clear that shipowners are not going to charter their ships at below operating cost level. However, in case of oversupply, the rates will not be able to stay for a prolonged time at a level, significantly higher than operating costs.
The only logical way to value dry bulk shipping companies is NAV. Above or below the market charters should also taking into consideration, of course. A dry bulk shipping company is, after all, just a set of ships. It's not really different from a close end fund in this sense. Some premium or discount to NAV is warranted for superior or inferior management, but it should be reasonable anyway. I just don't understand why a long-term investor would buy EXM (and most other bulkers for that matter) right now, if he could buy a dry bulk ship instead for the price three times lower. I've been actively trading shipping stocks for several years and currently, PPS vs NAV for some of them is at all time high. Of course, am I shorting now. As for the momentum and technical analysis, you are probably correct. I just mean longer term timeframe.
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The author doesn't really understand fundamentals of dry bulk shipping companies. Book value is meaningless, because it is not marked to market and ship values are very volatile. P/E and other valuation ratios, both trailing and based on analyst expectations for 2009 are also meaningless. They reflect high rates achieved during the boom in the industry in the last couple of years. Current rates are below break even for ship owners and, due to massive newbuildings coming this year, are not expected to rise significantly. EXM is extremely leveraged company and market value of its fleet is below debt. Bases on NAV, EXM and other bulkers are now probably the most overvalued stocks in the US markets.
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> How about this:
>
> I've been in tech since 2002, with the hope that it returns to 1/3
> of its 2000 valuation within 10 years - this has easily been true
> of the major tech names, and I have done quite well with this position.
>
>
> With shippers (and in my case EXM), I am looking for something similar
> - 1/3 of its high (around 20) with a 5-10% dividend within 3-5 years.
> That would justify its stock price today. Your thoughts?
In ten years, anything is possible. I just beleive, that given current situation in the dry bulk market, EXM PPS, its NAV and all the risks involved, its clearly a sell. It will be a challange for this company even to survive. I have a bearish opinion regarding dry bulk industry, but in this sector, SBLK and DSX look significantly better. SBLK has manageable debt and above the market charters that signinificantly exceed its market cap. Some of its charterers might default of course, but its really another problem inherent to all bulkers. I beleive most of them will honor obligations. DSX has very little debt, so it at least it's going to survive.
I would buy one of these companies as a long-term investment.
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The most important thing is that a lot of companies, especially EXM, GNK and DRYS are in deep violation of loan covenants. The only company in the sector that solved this problem, for the time being, is EGLE. As a result of the agreement with lenders, it is now restricted from paying dividends. After this news hit the wires, the stock price of EGLE tumbled over 30%. For GNK and EXM, it's more difficult to reach such agreement, because market values of their fleets (without taking into consideration above the market charters) are actually below outstanding loans. The most difficult situation is, in my opinion, for EXM. Nordea bank, which is the lead lender of EXM, had significant losses on other bulkers, such as Britannia and more recently Armada. They could take tougher position.
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Order cancellation is clearly an issue for 2010 and beyond, but not for 2009. It's just too late to cancel. Orderbook for 2009 looked huge even before worldwide recession became apparent. Imagine the size of oversupply given the slowdown.
Current uptick in the rates is quite explainable and has always been reflected in freight futures (FFA) market. It's pretty clear that shipowners are not going to charter their ships at below operating cost level. However, in case of oversupply, the rates will not be able to stay for a prolonged time at a level, significantly higher than operating costs.
The only logical way to value dry bulk shipping companies is NAV. Above or below the market charters should also taking into consideration, of course. A dry bulk shipping company is, after all, just a set of ships. It's not really different from a close end fund in this sense. Some premium or discount to NAV is warranted for superior or inferior management, but it should be reasonable anyway. I just don't understand why a long-term investor would buy EXM (and most other bulkers for that matter) right now, if he could buy a dry bulk ship instead for the price three times lower.
I've been actively trading shipping stocks for several years and currently, PPS vs NAV for some of them is at all time high. Of course, am I shorting now.
As for the momentum and technical analysis, you are probably correct. I just mean longer term timeframe.
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P/E and other valuation ratios, both trailing and based on analyst expectations for 2009 are also meaningless. They reflect high rates achieved during the boom in the industry in the last couple of years.
Current rates are below break even for ship owners and, due to massive newbuildings coming this year, are not expected to rise significantly.
EXM is extremely leveraged company and market value of its fleet is below debt.
Bases on NAV, EXM and other bulkers are now probably the most overvalued stocks in the US markets.