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  • Running The Numbers – Apple Looks Cheap [View article]
    @ Murphy

    What a brilliant call. I love it.

    I may need to get t-shirts printed...

    Sep 23 04:08 PM | Likes Like |Link to Comment
  • How to Get Apple to $200 [View article]

    We are are valuing the cash the cash generates - that is what a DCF calculation does. The cash on the balance sheet is used to generate revenues and profits into the future - which is what we are valuing. Here is our take on valuation:

    @Scott Parker

    As I said - we did value the cash on hand. I agree that modeling innovation is hard. But we think it is worth making an attempt - by looking at the potential cash flows innovation can deliver. Potentially with different scenarios factored in.


    Completely agree that innovation is not predictable. We are big fans of the book - The Black Swan. But from a valuation perspective - we are trying to put some numbers around that process to value companies like AAPL. Perfect - no. Worth trying - we think so.
    Jun 6 04:36 PM | Likes Like |Link to Comment
  • How to Get Apple to $200 [View article]
    Thanks everyone for the comments. A couple of quick responses.

    At Valuecruncher we use a discounted cash flow model (DCF). We are trying to assess the cash a business will produce into the future in determining a valuation today. We have put some assumptions into our analysis - our interactive tools allow you to adjust these assumptions if you disagree. You can then save and share these results. We are aiming to move valuation debate to what we consider fundamental corporate finance. We love the passion of Apple fans.


    I did not state it but our model does factor in the balance sheet - including the US$19.5 billion cash and cash equivalents. We have that $22 a share of cash factored in.


    Our model limits the tax rate to the corporate rate in the country of domicile. We don't let people put in crazy numbers. We might down the track however.


    Our view is that the growth rate will likely drop after 2009/10. We may be wrong with our curve - play with our assumptions. Give us your take.


    Those are target valuations. Ours is based on what we think the valuation should be today. Ours is an opinion - you can play with the assumptions.


    I think that is a good way of thinking about AAPL. That said value still comes down to the cash that a business will generate into the future (in corporate finance anyway).




    We disagree - we think it can be modelled. But that is just us.

    Thank you again everyone for the comments.

    Jun 6 06:43 AM | Likes Like |Link to Comment
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