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A provision in the just-passed transportation bill will allow corporate pension plans to use the...

  • Friday, June 29, 2012, 3:32 PM ET
    A provision in the just-passed transportation bill will allow corporate pension plans to use the average interest rate over the past 25 years (high) as opposed to the last 2 years (low) towards calculating future returns. At a stroke, under-funded plans at companies like GM and F just became less so (and reported profits should benefit as well).
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  • It makes good sense. Pension obligations are very long term, there is no reason to assume that today's low interest rates will go on forever.
    29 Jun 2012, 03:35 PM Reply Like
  • Very good point, Tom. Its akin to maturity matching. These mark to marketeers and their ilk are ruining our financial statements and making them devoid of meaning.
    29 Jun 2012, 03:43 PM Reply Like
  • let's get real here.

    do you think for a minute that if interest rates were at historic highs corporate america would be complaining about unrealistic pension assumptions?

    when accounting regulations squeeze corporate america they cry like spoiled children and scream for relief from their sugar daddy's in congress just as the banking industry did when they didn't want to comply with mark to market rules.

    WTF is congress doing mandating accounting regulations anyway? those morons don't know a debit from a credit..but they do know who butters their bread.
    30 Jun 2012, 08:12 PM Reply Like
  • hilarious. the government is so smart. why not just erase the underfunded amount.
    apply ben's bank accounting to business pensions and then, do a "stress" test
    29 Jun 2012, 03:39 PM Reply Like
  • lobbyists just saved F and GM a boat-load.
    29 Jun 2012, 03:42 PM Reply Like
  • generally just a timing and cash flow gimmick. this new guidance will lower required cash contributions, and the theory for the US Gov't is that such companies will have less tax deductions, hence a cash windfall for the Treasury. while using artificially high discount rates will yield lower computed pension obligations, the real key assumptions for pension accounting is the assumed rate of return on plan assets. it is amazing how many companies are assuming a rate of 7% to 8% for their GAAP financial statements.
    1 Jul 2012, 05:24 AM Reply Like
  • I now own GM and F stock.... Added TRW and AXL as well.
    29 Jun 2012, 04:14 PM Reply Like
  • Those saying low interest rates cannot last forever appearantly haven't looked in the direction of Japan in the last 20+ years.

    When you can't pay off a debt and the debt holders prevent the debt bring inflated away, you get stagflation and no growth.
    29 Jun 2012, 04:54 PM Reply Like
  • Bit vague.

    Here's what's happening:
    When interest rates are low, the funding rules call for companies to put more money into their pension plans, on the assumption that the money will compound more slowly. Thus, by having a average that includes the higher interest rates from the last 25 years, viola, you get a lower contribution to the plans and thus increased profits.
    29 Jun 2012, 05:37 PM Reply Like
  • This is the opposite of fiscal discipline (planning for the worst). They want to use an Unknown (future interest rates) to help calculate a Known (pension payouts at current rates). Ridiculous!

    Ironically, the GASB is changing the way that States & Cities post their pension liabilities showing the unfunded liabilities on the books officially, and entities that have an incentive to pretend that these liabilities aren’t real liabilities are going to get a rude awakening – see Stockton, CA.

    Kevin Williamson wrote “GASBombed, The accounting-standards board is about to nuke state and local budgets — and it’s about time.” May 15, 2012
    http://bit.ly/LlE3a2
    29 Jun 2012, 07:31 PM Reply Like
  • If interest rates were to rise to the 25 year average, then the US Gov't could no longer afford the interest payments. They would be forced to cut spending and the economy would into a depression.

    Allowing these companies to assume those rates only inflates their profit statements temporarily.
    29 Jun 2012, 07:51 PM Reply Like
  • A scheme is needed where the company is obliged to cover the worst case but could benefit later in the best case. Otherwise we are reliant on hope and Jesse Livermore suggested closing trades that rely on hope alone.
    Toms assumption that low interest rates will not continue is false.
    There is evidence to suggest that low interest rate scenario has credence and the diehard capitalist system is going into unknown territory.
    29 Jun 2012, 08:35 PM Reply Like
  • The words you wrote I suspect do not express what you mean. "under-funded plans at companies like GM and F just became less so", the assumption used to calculate the accounting for the obligation has not changed the amount that will be paid out to pensioners. Thus the obligation has not changed and the amount by which the funds are underfunded has not changed. The change is the estimation of the earnings on the funds currently held. It is correct to observe that if a higher rate is assumed for the earnings on the funds, then the amount of funds required will be less. I suspect I am stating what is understood by all.

    The change in the reference rate I believe is a good change, as the current rate environment will not be sustained. The concept of maturity matching, a concept from the Corporate Finance, Banking and Risk Management worlds is well understood, and sound. Matching long term liabilities with short term assets is not.
    30 Jun 2012, 08:33 AM Reply Like
  • See it does pay to own your own congressmen. We do have the best government money can buy. Returns of the past 25 years are almost certainly returns of the past. Of course so long as the Fed keeps giving savers money away to profligate borrowers, returns are going to be somewhat difficult to come buy.
    30 Jun 2012, 09:30 AM Reply Like
  • Higher interest rates definitely reduce the sizes of future obligations, but I'd be wary of allowing them to do this. Just because rates were higher in the past, doesn't mean that the rates will return to higher levels anytime soon. We all believe this is a temporary anomaly, but a lot of money has been lost trying to call and end to it (myself included). Allowing pension plans to make their rate of return assumptions based on, even in small part, the 8 and 9% yields that Treasuries had years ago is just setting themselves up to become even more underfunded than they are.

    So on one hand, with the stroke of the pen, many pension plans will go from appearing underfunded to appearing healthy. But at the same time, the result will be that companies will be required to contribute less to the plans than they had to, so it actually stands to make the plans even less healthy in reality while they appear just fine.
    Glad to see that the other commenters are seeing from this perspective - i don't know why the person that wrote this current is celebrating this.
    30 Jun 2012, 11:46 PM Reply Like
  • Excellent comment.

    You are correct in every instance. The pensions reset is political b.s. at it's finest.
    1 Jul 2012, 01:01 AM Reply Like
  • "will allow corporate pension plans to use the average interest rate over the past 25 years (high) as opposed to the last 2 years (low) towards calculating future returns." Why not force Ben B also set the interest rates at this level. As a retired person, I need some break too!!
    1 Jul 2012, 01:25 AM Reply Like
  • Was it Bethlehem Steel executives that raided the pension fund by imposing an artificially low interest rate on pension assets thus making their lump sum distribution higher upon retiring just before going bankrupt and leaving very little for the hourly pension obligations? American executives will always take care of themselves first.
    1 Jul 2012, 04:53 AM Reply Like
  • Republic steel used the same trick when acquired by LTV Steel. Then LTV could not make up the short fall and filed for bankruptcy.

    Using the rate over the last two years makes little sense given the FEDS actions that have distorted the rate.
    1 Jul 2012, 08:47 AM Reply Like
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