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"We seem to be overrun with Austerians, newly minted deficit chicken-hawks who recently have...

  • Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 4:43 PM ET
    "We seem to be overrun with Austerians, newly minted deficit chicken-hawks who recently have discovered the evils of deficit spending," Barry Ritholtz says. "Their past actions speak far louder than anything they might say today," and the motivation, he believes, is just partisan politics.
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  • 10 thumbs up for the Ritholtz quote
    13 Jul 2010, 04:56 PM Reply Like
  • Boy the BS is getting deep. Where's my hip waders...
    13 Jul 2010, 04:57 PM Reply Like
  • Barry I couldnt agree with you more, pure opportunist, the Rep will ride the Tsunami anti Obama wave as far as they are able for their own benefit not ours, IMO many of them are happy with the Dem power grab (better them than me) because when they are out and the Rep are in, they will do little to reverse the new powers their office will bring to them because working in DC is all about POWER, the more power the better, sure some are talking up now but not enough are screaming because they know how to play the game, grab the power without losing their power
    13 Jul 2010, 04:59 PM Reply Like
  • Obama reminds me of (pre-Nazi) Germany's Chancellor Scheicher.

    seekingalpha.com/insta...

    He is making a power grab on behalf of the Left. But who is to say that
    this won't be used by the Right?

    And Schleicher's fate? Gunned down in cold blood on the "Night of the Long Knives" by the Storm Troopers of the very man he empowered.
    13 Jul 2010, 06:07 PM Reply Like
  • Right on!
    13 Jul 2010, 04:59 PM Reply Like
  • Most of those of the Austrian school that I know (and I know several) have been remarkably consistant in their positions, AS have the numerous Keynesians. Neither side seems to be notably flexible...

    But presumably Ritholtz is speaking of some world leaders who have, indeed, been flipping and flopping around. That's the problem nowadays, trying to find a politician that will stay bought.
    13 Jul 2010, 05:02 PM Reply Like
  • Many of the Austerians supported the Bush tax cuts, which created structural deficits that increased the public debt by two trillion before the Great Recession arrived.

    They are truely the Sons of Hypocrisy.
    13 Jul 2010, 05:27 PM Reply Like
  • I'm glad somebody with a little heft has said this because the stench of politics bleeding into economics/business prognistication has been close to unbearable.
    13 Jul 2010, 05:04 PM Reply Like
  • Huge differences between Ronnie and BO that Riholtz's cliches can't dissect properly. Interest rate trends are at diametric opposite ends of the curve on a comparison basis. Big problem. Inflation versus deflation.

    We were going from a Volcker 17% cramdown on money to a now 0% ramp up on the cost of money. You can't go lower than that. At least Ronnie's growth was predicated on future price stability and interest rates having the ability to at least come down. Not so today. Not so at all.

    Deficits are the number one problem threatening global GDPs, and besides Japan, the United States is the worst offender. The G20 world leaders were absolutely right in being flabbergasted at Obama's ignorant Krugmanisms. In the end, they will be proven correct and the euro will surprise many on the upside as the dollar's run higher is over for now(which is why we've seen the stock market run lately).

    Riholtz sounds partisan, that which he accuses others of being, he is himself... very much here in this soundbite.
    13 Jul 2010, 05:11 PM Reply Like
  • Barry makes some great points about deficit spending but ultimately has his head of his arse when it comes to his comparisons. Reagan spent money on stimulus that would spur the economy out of the recession. Obama's stimulus was bloated by even congressional standards and has done little to spur the economy. Those of you Obama lovers who think it has, please man the phones and start calling cnbc everyday and tell them to stop putting nouriel roubini and the other bears on my tv.

    Also, Ronald Reagan did not create a 1trillion dollar entitlement system (universal healthcare) and then force it on america under the guise of it "cutting the deficit". Anyone with a brain knows company's have partially, and i did say partially, chosen not to hire because of this new expense. This president is so partisan and so concerned with his image, that he sacrificed all his political will and personal energy into shoveling his socialized medicine on us. Now he seemingly has no juice left to be a strong president, including in the face of a Russian spy ring in which his reaction was to trade spies for spies. Its just pathetic of this point, and honestly not worth any of the partisan rhetoric he still gets.

    Barry is an intelligent guy, but he is ultimately nothing but an apologist in disguise. I expect more of his types coming out of the woodwork as they begin to realize that this president could spell the death of modern economic liberalism as a marketable ideology.
    13 Jul 2010, 05:13 PM Reply Like
  • Reagan spent on military goods and services. Obama on civilian infrastructure.

    Each approached worked.

    Pull your head out of the sand ...
    13 Jul 2010, 05:30 PM Reply Like
  • Perhaps you might want to read this:

    Reagan's Tax Increases
    www.ritholtz.com/blog/.../
    13 Jul 2010, 05:34 PM Reply Like
  • Reagan spent on military goods and services and brought down the USSR the German Wall and brought more Democracy to the world and made America proud, Obama is spending on civilian infrastructure (what??) and is bringing down America and our Democracy and he is very PROUD, that all said I'll take another Reagan over Obama in a heartbeat, Reagan built us up Obama is tearing us down, all of US!
    13 Jul 2010, 06:23 PM Reply Like
  • Russia was already crumbling and Reagan knew it. America simply had a better economic model and the Russian demise was certain. Reagan's great accomplishment was that to get his tax cuts passed he talked the Congress into bi-partisan tax reform and got rid of many loop holes, that may have actually paid for the cuts. The debt was to boost our military infrastructure. He was from Cali like me and we were the heart of that military infrastructure. Just like Bush paid back the oil interests in his state.
    13 Jul 2010, 11:25 PM Reply Like
  • Interesting, Thank you
    15 Jul 2010, 10:18 AM Reply Like
  • Social Security, Medicare, and defense eat up some 75% of the federal budget. Any serious talk of tackling the deficit must include reforms of all three.

    Let's see if Congressional Republicans are willing to willing to raise the retirement age to 70 and remove the income cap on the FICA tax. Let's see if Congressional Republicans are willing to peg the age of Medicare eligibility to the retirement age. Let's see if Congressional Republicans are willing to cut down on wasteful defense spending. While we're at it, let's see if Congressional Republicans are willing to impose a moratorium on earmarks.

    Wait a minute, I don't see any takers. I guess Congressional Republicans do not want to look like they hate the elderly or like they are weak on defense. Furthermore, Congressional Republicans pontificate on cutting spending unless it affects their states/districts, when suddenly, it's all about jobs.

    Democrats are far from blameless, but the levels of Republican hypocrisy and illogic are reaching bizarro-world proportions. Stay away from that tea--there's something funky in it.
    13 Jul 2010, 05:23 PM Reply Like
  • What, the US will only spend $534 billion on defense to prevent the Chinese from invading some unpopulated and below-the-tide islands in the Taiwan Strait and keep drunken Russian soldiers from attacking Estonia ...

    What is your problem? Are you unpatriotic, homosexual, leftwing scum?
    13 Jul 2010, 05:33 PM Reply Like
  • Besides defense, would like to offer Constitutional authority for spending on the illogical, financially unsupportable artifacts of medicare and social security? And, please, don't bring up the shopworn 'general welfare' clause which has been bastardized by the DC clowns.
    13 Jul 2010, 06:45 PM Reply Like
  • Could we please tone down the rhetoric and simplify the conversation? If on any day the Dow goes up, Obama and Krugman win. If it drops, the Tea Party, Sarah Palin and Bob Prechter are validated. A new contest every day. No long-term trends. No fundamentals. No thinking required.
    13 Jul 2010, 06:49 PM Reply Like
  • There is a natural and enduring impatience for events to evolve as one expects they eventually should and this is never stronger or potentially more dangerous that during a long and deep recession, especially one centred upon a serious breakdown of the financial system. In 1937 the US had been enjoying a significant four year stock market and general economic recovery (now a generally forgotten fact) from the depth of the 1929 -32 deflationary collapse. That 1932 – 7 recovery was fuelled (like the apprehended deflation and current modest recovery of the past 15 or so months) by major monetary easing and significant deficit spending. There is now, as happened in 1937, a danger that the nature, strength and stage of the recovery will be misinterpreted.

    In 1937 US conservatives, who had advocated austerity and ‘creative destruction’ throughout the years since 1929, were joined by many in the centre of the US political spectrum on economic matters in advocating a return to balanced national budgets. These centrist advocates saw a return to balanced budgets by 1937 as a
    (a) a vote of confidence in the strength of the recovery to date, and
    (b) a prudent response to the unprecedented accumulation during peace-time in the national debt since 1929.

    Unfortunately these centrist advocates misjudged the strength and foundation of the recovery and the strong attempt in 1937 to balance the US national budget tipped the US back into a depression from which full recovery was not achieved until the years of WW II. In retrospect the recovery of 1932 – 7 had not become sufficiently established within the private sector to be sustained by that sector if public sector stimulus was, as it turned out, prematurely ended. Interestingly, it was only during the late 1930s, in response to the ‘double dip’ just described, that the analysis of Keynes as interpreted and applied in the US context by Hansen and his supporter economists became a foundation of US government policy. Arguable this adoption and adaption of Keynesian analysis provided the policy foundation for the war effort and the 30 years of post WW II prosperity.

    Arguably there is a danger today that the global economy will replicate the US domestic experience of 1937. The economically strong EU nations are adopting austerity measures along with the weaker members, Japan is retrenching because it is tapped out, China is pausing to digest the growth and stimulus of the past few years and now the US public appears to be shifting strongly in favour of fiscal retrenchment for a range of overlapping reasons. There is a danger, in short, that this shift towards fiscal austerity could not only weaken and drag out the progress of the recovery but even cause a ‘double dip’.

    The forgoing is not an argument in favour of irresponsible (in terms of either the amounts spent or what these expenditures are for) public spending, only an argument in favour of clear thinking about the nature and stage of the current recovery and the proper role of public spending until the recovery matures further.
    13 Jul 2010, 10:08 PM Reply Like
  • Great thoughts. Debt is seldom "good", but investing in the future can be. If we can achieve some long term efficiencies and goals with jobs I am for it.
    Remember 1/3 of the stimulus was the Republican tax cuts, that I believe were mostly saved and did not stimulate. 1/3 was social help for states and local service programs and less than 1/3 was actually used for infrastructure.
    I also believe the extension of the unemployment is also not a bad way, as almost all is immediately sent into the economy. I do believe we need a gradually reducing amount as time goes on.
    13 Jul 2010, 11:38 PM Reply Like
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