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Shares of Green Mountain Coffee Roasters (GMCR -4.2%) slump with a new note out from OTR Global...

  • Wednesday, October 10, 2012, 9:57 AM ET
    Shares of Green Mountain Coffee Roasters (GMCR -4.2%) slump with a new note out from OTR Global warning that the price differential between the company's K-Cup products and those from private labels could be as much as 20% to 50% - viewed by analysts as unsustainable. Another significant drag on GMCR's hopes to dominate the space is the growing emergence of heavyweight Kraft.
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  • firstadopter: looks like a joke from the analysts. You mean the private labels either get cheap coffee or they have a packing and packaging business which will cut costs of the cups manufactured?
    10 Oct 2012, 10:04 AM Reply Like
  • totally agree - like these newcomers are going to be able to produce on the scale and as cheaply as GMCR - the newcomers will be out of business in months or they will use garbage coffee and be out of business sooner. these analysts are ludicrous - try telling my wife not to buy her GMCR Newman's own.
    10 Oct 2012, 10:38 AM Reply Like
  • THERE IS NOTHING NEW WITH THIS COMMENT, LET THE MARKET WORK, COMPETITION IS HEALTHY FOR EVERYONE INVOLVED, JUST REMEMBER THAT GMCR IS IN THE BUSINESS OF COFFEE, THEY ARE ESTABLISHED AND HAVE A GOOD HEALTHY MARKET SHARE RIGHT NOW, THERE IS ONLY A CHANCE THAT SOME OF THESE CUSTOMERS WILL TRY ANOTHER PRODUCT, BUT MOST WHO TRY ANOTHER PRODUCT WILL REMEMBER GMCR, AND COME BACK TO IT. ALL WE ARE SEEING NOW IS EMOTION, LETS LET THE RESULTS SHOW WHO IS THE LEADER THIS COFFEE COMPETITION
    10 Oct 2012, 10:39 AM Reply Like
  • Who is OTR Global? Anyway, the suggestion that private label will hurt GMCR significantly is a misunderstanding about how consumer products evolve. I also don't buy the price differential....and as a consumer I don't care....between Ralph's Cola and Coke, I'm still buying Coke.
    10 Oct 2012, 10:42 AM Reply Like
  • markb, the coke/brand cola analogy you mention is not comparable to the GMCR k-cup/Vue cup versus off brand clones.

    Soft drink drinkers only represent 21% of the American market versus 41% for coffee drinkers who drink multiple drinks per day. Coffee drinkers also drink 3, 4 or 5 cups of coffee a day. So, the more volume that is consumed, the more the consumer is affected by pricing. It makes a big difference to the bulk of coffee consumers if two weeks worth of coffee costs of an 80 GMCR costs $51.49 (current GMCR price on web) and on the shelf a comparable 80 count is at $24.99 (Costco price), are you going to try it or continue to pay double for GMCR? Granted, you and others will pay up double the price every two weeks, but many consumers are price consciece. Of course, there will always be consumers that pay up for quality no matter what the price, but most will not, and GMCR will have to react to that. Many of these clones are actually good quality, and the prices are coming down more every month. I beleive Krogers' K-cups were 24 cents versus 64 cents for GMCR.

    Even without the information above, GMCR's share of the market has decreased 4% the past two years, each year, and their margins on coffee have been DECREASING - not staying the same ... going down. Are Coke's margins going down? No - coke is actually raising it's price in a month. Why aren't GMCR's margins staying the same - it should based on your thesis shouldn't it?

    It will be interesting to see how much GMCR's share of the market decreases with all the clones coming into the market the next few months. I'm guessing instead of 4% drop, it will be double digits.

    See you again October 31st, when GMCR gaps down another $10 after earnings .... $7.50 here we come ....
    10 Oct 2012, 06:23 PM Reply Like
  • Single cup coffee market is growing. With all coffee producers get into single cup, it is not surprised that GMCR will get less market share but grow total sale. It is also true that the gross margin will be decreased but earning will still grow. I drink lot of coffee and the taste is important. Since Keurig brewer is expensive compared to regular brewer, consumers who buy the Keurig do not mind to spend more to get quality coffee. You might taste less difference between Coke and store brand cola but much difference between coffees. With GMCR reduces price of Keurig, more and more consumer will convert to single cup. GMCR will also sale some cheaper k cups with comparable price, consumers will get them. The company sell cheaper K-cup clone by using cheap coffee bean. GMCR is expanding their brand to cover less expensive version. Besides coffee bean, another cost of K-cup is manufacture. With GMCR's experience on K-cup manufacture and large-scale facility, I believe GMCR has upper hand to make least cost of K-cup. I wonder the clone makers could survive if they sell theirs too cheap. BTW, if you join Keurig club, you could get good discount from their web site and the profit margin GMCR get from their web sale should be very high. As GMCR investor, you should be happy there are more clone kcup for Keurig. You need to be worried if all single cup clones would be made for other single cup brewers. My concern is more on the competence of GMCR management.
    10 Oct 2012, 07:05 PM Reply Like
  • You are correct: expansion of market = increased sales = increased earnings = higher stock price.
    I simply don't get the argument that low cost store brands steal GMCR sales. No one has applied that logic to SBUX: MCD coffee sales steal from SBUX?? No one has argued that SBUX high prices will drive customers to low cost substitutes. If that's the case, I assume SBUX drive-through customers will now opt to brew their own coffee using K-cups because they are much cheaper than the drive-through SBUX coffee. And who is going to drink generic Kroger blend? The % switching to generic will be miniscule. People still drink Coke and Pepsi in spite of numerous store brand and generic colas. If anything, customers are much more loyal to their coffee brand than their soda brand. That's how SBUX and DNKN are such strong brands even though you can buy coffee anywhere.
    11 Oct 2012, 10:39 AM Reply Like
  • I guess time will tell. I believe the vast majority WILL be affected by price, and even though the market is expanding, there are many more players and many more will enter the market.

    I also believe that it is much easier for any contract manufacturer to make K-cups or Vue products than you think. It is not a huge barrier to entry. Many companies you never dream of that you think you are buying from don't make much of their products anymore - e.g. cereal industry.

    Most of you on this website are conneseurs of coffee and need the high quality no matter what, but you need to do your analysis on what the majority of the population will migrate to. If you see it on the shelf, people are buying it.

    Meet you all back here in a year to see where the stock goes to. I'm short.
    11 Oct 2012, 11:27 AM Reply Like
  • Yep - I am buying "the real thing too" - the Knoxville plant is still growing - doing many flavors with unbelievable attention & effort to quality control w/ extraordinarily efficient robotics - doing 60MM+ cups weekly - the current stock slump is all on emotion.
    10 Oct 2012, 02:00 PM Reply Like
  • Concur, competition is not new to GMCR. You may recall a partnership of Kraft and Starbucks on the Terrisimo single cup brewer, this powerful merchandising arrangement was available to coffee drinkers long before GMCR bought Kuerig. You might still find those brewers even though Starbucks bailed, Kraft is still flailing about with this brewer. I think Macy's may still have one in the store room.

    To imagine brands of unknowns attempting to bring a cheaper K-cup into this market is difficult to fathom. GMCR has standing agreements with almost every quality roaster, and now offers over 200 choices.

    Newman's Own is for sale at Sam's club, 80 cups for $36.00, 45 cents a cup for a damn fine cup of coffee, brewed fresh in less than a minute. How much less can a competitor deliver a cup of coffee for the Kuerig and make money. how much will they spend to ramp up manufacturing, marketing, and distribution and still initially be offering very limited choices, compared to the quality market leader GMCR.

    GMCR continues to deliver gross sales of around a billion a quarter, every Kuerig brewer placed creates a stream of K-cup sales, cash flow and profits. The shorts continue to grasps at straws, but I predict the long haul is going to continue to favor the folks who own this market and now have 20 Million thirsty brewers looking for a quality K-cup to brew. Don't let these tired short stories pull you away from a great investment and a fine company, making a great cup of coffee. I'm having a steaming cup of dark Barristo Prima as we speak, join me?

    Long GMCR, great buying opportunity may buy more today!
    12 Oct 2012, 11:59 AM Reply Like
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