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Brian White tries to ride to the rescue of Apple (AAPL), reiterating his $1,111 price target...

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  • Citi may want to re-think the downgrade.
    They must have believed that there was "one person" in the Apple Store.
    Current price is more than half-off Mr. White's price target. Not a bad time to buy shares, so it seems.
    17 Dec 2012, 07:44 AM Reply Like
  • AAPL is a great company but at this time the stock is not. This is a buy puts and unload the stock being played by big money. AAPL back to 700 but 450 will come first. That stock chart shows serious leakage.
    17 Dec 2012, 07:49 AM Reply Like
  • LOL a fool and his money....
    17 Dec 2012, 08:52 AM Reply Like
  • And to fix the chart, if we can today gap up around Thursdays lows and close above it. Then we will have a strong island reversal. Also will confirm Friday was an exhaustion gap. Also bullish divergence on RSI and MACD will setup for a big rally and chart fixed. I think serious volume will flow in once 594 is broken. Seems like a way away but it was their very recently. Current downtrend from 594 has had a lot of gaps and those needs to be filled as well. May be today pre-market was done to take the stops out
    17 Dec 2012, 09:23 AM Reply Like
  • This was amazing news! UBS's analysts said their sources were saying that the iP5 wasn't selling well in China. Their whole "inside" note tanked Apple Friday. Now we see their sources are totally and completely wrong! Yet the price hasn't recovered. The iPhone 4 only sold 1.7 million on its US/worldwide rollout! The iPhone 5 sold bigger numbers in China alone compared to the whole iP4 rollout.
    17 Dec 2012, 08:07 AM Reply Like
  • Humble Eagles look for a massive short squeeze today as Apple's China numbers show the future of the company in China is going to be very profitable. Now where is that downgrade for AMZN which has a P/E of over 3,000 ? LOL, wall street is filled with self serving fools.
    17 Dec 2012, 09:01 AM Reply Like
  • Correct!

    Looking at a chart - iPhone 5 initial sales were 25% better than for the iPhone 4s, which was more than twice the sales of the 4.

    Analysts keep comparing sales of the 5 to the 4s, which is wrong. I think 5s sales will be really big.
    17 Dec 2012, 09:43 AM Reply Like
  • Still keeps dropping, people have been saying for months, and each drop is met with a new round of excuses, then it drops again. This is a trend.
    17 Dec 2012, 03:44 PM Reply Like
  • we have to rethink here, are those banks trustworthy? or are they just villains. Since 2008 we all knew how banks operate.
    18 Dec 2012, 06:54 AM Reply Like
  • It just goes to show that to make serious money you have to 'trade' Apple. I sold out at $620 back in early April because I thought it was due for a correction. Bought back in at $540.

    I sold my complete holding again on the day the iPhone 5 was released as I knew from previous years that the stock price would fall back. Bought into the stock again a few days again in the low $500s.

    Will sell again in the Spring when it hits $750.
    17 Dec 2012, 08:17 AM Reply Like
  • well done. yr cristal ball is perfect. But, we would like to hear from you abt future & yr prediction.
    17 Dec 2012, 08:37 AM Reply Like
  • No $750.. and most will be looking to sell at $699 now because of the magic "$700" number locked into the minds of those thinking, "I'll get out at the best price I can..."

    This stock is in bear mode, you don't buy it unless you want to lose money!
    17 Dec 2012, 03:46 PM Reply Like
  • apple PE 11.55
    ibm 13.85
    goog 21.99
    and so on. Apple is not over priced
    17 Dec 2012, 08:26 AM Reply Like
  • Crazy to base the valuation of any company on the alleged observations of one firm looking at one store in one country.
    2 Million units over the launch week end is pretty significant by any measure. Especially compared with the global launch in Sept, that claimed 2 million orders in 24 hours over a bunch of European countries and the US.
    17 Dec 2012, 08:32 AM Reply Like
  • Some things have changed gradually but steadily thru our generation. The media has steadily become more and more vacuous. It now verges on entry into pure fiction.

    It derives conclusions from what would have been stories a century ago. Its participants are hired word slingers who showed high aptitude for socializing through media. Analysis is not on the skill list.

    It has an agenda to make quick bucks. Newspapers once had a goal of advancing the editors' views and were up front about it. Then we went thru a couple of generations pursuing the Holy Grail of "unbiased reporting," which I would put inthe same category with perpetual motion. Next we hid the bias. Now I am convinced it has fallen back into unconsciousness. Partisans no longer realize that they hold an option. They are sure that their beliefs are facts.

    A few business reporting organizations are business like, but most of what you hear is the virtualized sound of inexperienced, minimally educated, low paid, uninvested writers' gums flapping together.

    Harvest what facts you can. Ignore the rest. Spend time on the opinions expressed by those who profess to hold an opinion and who can describe the counter arguments.

    I hold the opinion Apple is a strong company and that the market is reading its second derivatives as if they were the primary function. This is aided by reporters who were people people and weren't that good at math (read: critical thinking). My opinion is that some funds will return and add back on a tech signal. Some other investors will look at AAPL for what it is after the media hype both ways and push it toward fair valuation. Investors generally will drift back into the market once they realize voting for speeches about change won't change their fortunes and they settle back into providing for themselves I am hoping to add but waiting for a sign the fever has broken. It will cost me some gains.

    The counter argument seems to me one that media-ism dominates investment decisions, that HFT has removed all fundamentals, and that the market is broken. That AAPL could trade as irrationally low as AMZN does high and that could continue for years. Could be. The tape will tell.

    Apple is clearly a great company at innovation, and in the last decade, also at execution and strategy. Will it ever be fully reflected in the price? I don't know. Maybe if and when the PIGS are flying.
    17 Dec 2012, 11:13 AM Reply Like
  • :-) Nicely said!
    I am of same opinion regarding the media, only you expressed it better!
    The company intrinsic value is not reflected in the stock price, and that means trading opportunity.
    I have bullish option spreads on AAPL.
    17 Dec 2012, 01:07 PM Reply Like
  • Isn't it interesting that the most heard complaint about Apple is its latest products are "evolutionary not revolutionary" all the while typing on a lump of plastic and silicon (aka a pc). When was the last time the pc was revolutionary? Once a trendsetter is introduced (i.e. smart phone, tablet) the changes are incremental. Making it better and better. Not coming up with a computer on your wrist, or some other ill conceived ideas.
    18 Dec 2012, 12:56 AM Reply Like
  • For all of you who say "NFC? Bah, what an useless feature!"... can you do the following with an iPhone!?

    Nokia Lumia 920 used in Voice-controlled Home Automation demo: http://bit.ly/TXdBD5

    Yes, Apple, prepare to be left behind. The future is already here and it's not called the iPhone.
    18 Dec 2012, 03:38 AM Reply Like
  • Citi was mostly concerned with what UBS was/ is, order cuts at Foxconn. The analyst said last week, early, all looked good at factories, but last week, late, things didn't. To me, a bit over analysis, or paranoia as they felt their price target was too high after aapl falling so much. In other words, they were covering their a**es and, in my opinion they are wrong. Aapl is at a VERY good price right now.
    17 Dec 2012, 08:55 AM Reply Like
  • with the arrival of NOKIA and soon coming BB10, apple glory days are over looks like a 300 dollar stock to me,
    17 Dec 2012, 09:18 AM Reply Like
  • That price has no basis in valuation reality...even assuming AAPL's growth is cut in half, just their cash flow in 2 years time would give them per share cash holdings approaching 2/3rds of that estimated stock price. Ridiculous. Momentum traders can take this stock anywhere they want to on any given day, but I would not want to be short when AAPL reports in January...or for that matter, if they announce an increased buy-back and/or increase in their dividend.Some of the posters on here seem to think that the only definition of AAPL being "successful" is with 100% market share. Trading on that assumption beyond a day to day basis will prove to be a mistake.
    17 Dec 2012, 09:50 AM Reply Like
  • what a bunch of miserable nay sayers...you'll all eat your words.
    17 Dec 2012, 10:48 AM Reply Like
  • An Admiral Ackbar avatar responding to a Spock avatar. It's like a stock debate at Comic-con. (Not that there's anything wrong with that...)
    17 Dec 2012, 11:05 AM Reply Like
  • Yes, and NOK and RIMM have proven to be such strong competitors in the smart phone wars, LMFAO!!!!
    17 Dec 2012, 11:27 AM Reply Like
  • Don't short AAPL! IT'S A TRAP! ;-D [disclosure: I am not a comic-con/Star Wars geek. My profile shot is purely Akbar-tongue-in-cheek... But that's a funny observation.
    18 Dec 2012, 09:03 AM Reply Like
  • When has an analyst EVER been a predictive indicator? They are always lagging.. yesterdays news and usually wrong.
    17 Dec 2012, 09:53 AM Reply Like
  • I am sure that citi regrets that it released its Apple downgrade right before Apple officially announced its 2Mu iPhone sale in China during the first 3 days. These Analysts do not do its homework, rather just do some number crunching based on the street rumor.

    I have another spin on Apple's order cut for next quarter. Foxconn is in Asia, and there are tons of analyst in Asia following Foxconn, and these analysts should have very close relationship with Foxconn. How come they did not know the Apple order reduction. Rather they have to wait for US analyst to fly to Asia, discover such an information, come back to downgrade Apple, then the Asia Analysts all the sudden wake up based on this news, realizing that Foxconn and other suppliers are in trouble. This is just not logical to me!
    17 Dec 2012, 10:34 AM Reply Like
  • It is very shady, and likely erroneous, but in fairness the first rumble of this was from an Asian analyst cutting his rating of Foxconn. Granted, he could be mistaken too.
    17 Dec 2012, 12:35 PM Reply Like
  • if APPLE management do not come out with a buyback quick, it will mean that their internal numbers are bad and the stock is going lower
    17 Dec 2012, 11:20 AM Reply Like
  • @davioud = only speculation, but interesting hypothesis. AAPL (or any investor) would rather buy stock at $300 vs $500. Right? My understanding (and correct me if I'm wrong) is that historically, AAPL has been poor at trying to support the actual stock price. I think they tend to let the numbers speak. So, I am saying this tendency would make your hypothesis incorrect. I wrote, weeks ago, that APPL should have split, special dividend, buy back shares, etc., to boost price above 200 day MA. They didn't listen to me. Lol. Doubt AAPL is reading these posts.
    17 Dec 2012, 01:17 PM Reply Like
  • This only proves my theory: nowadays, every single investment in the stock market is a gamble. A certain degree of luck is always required, no matter where or what you invest in. :-P
    17 Dec 2012, 12:16 PM Reply Like
  • the sell side sells first and then puts out the piece to drive the stock down...

    look at the timing of these types of analyst notes...why put stuff out there at technical trading levels? to push the stock in the direction you want....

    Has anyone realized that the iphone 5 was in short supply just weeks ago.....now all of a sudden were over supply??

    Also, why would apple just revamp the whole product line at once and not keep updating though the next year as the competition rolls out products to target apples current products? Thats why the SG3 did so well this year.....

    Look for iphone 5s in spring and probably a mini retina in summer
    17 Dec 2012, 12:26 PM Reply Like
  • Thanks Brian for trying to help.
    I suppose that the Apple bashers consider Microsoft purchases in the 1980's and 1990's "one time purchases". Are they that obtuse? No computer, phone, tablet, iPod nor any other new programmable electronic device has had a lifespan of more than 5 years at most for the last 3+ decades. These “experts” are also talking about a Company that is more solvent than our own Government! Billions in cash like no company has ever had! The only reason Apple is down, is because we have allowed Congress to change the investment rules over decades to such a point that the professionals can make money destroying a company like Apple that is actually the "poster-board" company of what we want in America. Corporate profits actually earned by making something! What a concept! Tear down America and make a profit. Is that what these "so called" experts believe is OK? It’s time for the SEC to do their job! It isn't free speech to yell fire when there isn't any. Real people are being hurt in America. Time to put some in jail.
    17 Dec 2012, 01:22 PM Reply Like
  • At jury duty I noticed lots of iPad Minis. They were all owned by women. Lest I remind you all, women are 52% of the consumer market. Ipad Mini is going to be the breakout star of the Christmas season.
    17 Dec 2012, 01:22 PM Reply Like
  • Citi Downgrades Now at 500 after hitting 700. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR NOTHING!

    Next the weatherman will decide its gonna snow meanwhile theres 6 inches on the ground
    17 Dec 2012, 01:49 PM Reply Like
  • Yep, aren't those wall street pundits something with their stock calls.
    17 Dec 2012, 02:16 PM Reply Like
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