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A 5th-gen regular iPad (AAPL) will launch in October and feature "virtually no left or right...

  • Friday, January 25, 6:32 PM ET
    A 5th-gen regular iPad (AAPL) will launch in October and feature "virtually no left or right bezels, and only enough space above and below the screen" to allow for a camera and home button, says iLounge, which has passed on accurate iRumors in the past. The info is generally in-line with a recent report from KGI Securities. iLounge also claims Apple is planning to launch an iPhone 5S sporting an improved camera this summer, and is developing a cheaper, plastic-bodied iPhone "with China Mobile in mind." An iPhone with a 4.7" display is said to be in "early prototyping stages."
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  • Legit.
    25 Jan, 06:48 PM Reply Like
  • See iPad mini, about time tbh
    25 Jan, 07:44 PM Reply Like
  • Yawn.
    25 Jan, 06:49 PM Reply Like
  • Css1971.... Good idea, why don't you go to sleep for a year as we already know you are a NOK dude but always ready with your bashing aapl in every article as you missed out on making huge money in aapl. Lets see how BB10 or whatever you call it does (yawn).
    25 Jan, 06:57 PM Reply Like
  • Apple goes up, goes down, goes up, goes down.

    None of you understand this? That is how the big dogs, and us that can follow along, make money.
    25 Jan, 06:52 PM Reply Like
  • I am impressed. Please tell me your secret on how to make money.
    25 Jan, 07:14 PM Reply Like
  • already did.
    25 Jan, 07:43 PM Reply Like
  • Ahem, I want to know if you're looking at bernie's pear in that photo?
    26 Jan, 03:16 PM Reply Like
  • Bernie, you big dog you. I can't wait for you to experience the surprise of your lifetime when you get nailed on your Apple short just after the press conference announcing the 10-1 stock split. You and all the other shorties will go down in a nano-second. I can accept the concept of day trading an short selling, it's just he nasty, mean-spirited attitude you shorts exude. Someone dump in your Easter basket old sport?
    26 Jan, 06:48 PM Reply Like
  • You are so right, and the hedge funds have been perfecting it with Apple, because it is such an emotional stock.All you have to do is look at all the comments on Apple to see that.
    26 Jan, 11:04 PM Reply Like
  • Wow! This will move the needle. Can't wait for Monday AM.
    25 Jan, 07:08 PM Reply Like
  • Yeah, but which way?
    25 Jan, 09:39 PM Reply Like
  • Sounds like it could be difficult to hold without activating the screen. I'm sure it will look nice but the home button is soon to be revealed as obsolete and primitive with the coming of QNX powered BlackBerry products.

    Gesture-based OS is the future
    25 Jan, 07:20 PM Reply Like
  • With apples Ipad all you need is four fingers and you can do everything the home button can do already (menu, task manager, switch inbetween apps)
    28 Jan, 05:55 AM Reply Like
  • Is this iPad 5.17249 rev. C? I'm holding out for rev. D. Love Apple's innovation. All of the Apple fanatics must have a big heap of old devices in their (mom's?) basement... Must be nice to have the money to blow on a new device every time Apple decides to make a corner more rounded...
    25 Jan, 07:37 PM Reply Like
  • Actually, you ignore the reason for all the upgrades - Apple is aware that they need to keep ahead of competition for the roughly 50% of people who haven't yet bought a smartphone. The AT&T breakdown last quarter - 8 million iPhone 5 activations, 84% of all smartphones sold - shows something even more impressive: Apple is getting replacements of former Android phone customers.

    Go to an Apple store, stand by the Genius bar, and watch the iPhone 5 buyers. Talk to them. Roughly half, in my experience, were upgrading from iPhone 4 and 4s, half from Androids, mostly Galaxy flavors. Both Verizon and AT&T earning announcements showed that there is no significant Samsung erosion of the Apple market share here in the USA, though admittedly, it is significant internationally. But as the Samsung figures released Thursday show, the profitability of that business is low, and getting lower.
    26 Jan, 11:53 AM Reply Like
  • From my observation Androids sell to first time smartphone users. thr first few onth sthey are ecstatic because its so much better than a flip phone. after 18 mnths, not so much, or at least they don't like it enough to not try iPhone for the heck of it.

    this happened to me, Droid X was fine but switched to iphone and am not switching away.

    i took the strong sales of iPhone 4 however to mean that Apple is luring more new users. Intuitively i would think a former iPhone user would upgrade to the 5, not the 4, while a new smartphone customer probably sees the differene as minimal and both as light years from their old cellphone so they get the cheapest. as we know, one Apple product usually leads to another.
    26 Jan, 03:24 PM Reply Like
  • The US smartphone market is saturated, and it is not a precise enough example for trends in other regions. Subsidized smartphones on 2 or 3 year contracts mean replacement on average happens less often, and pricing pressure is mostly from monthly contracts in the US. The situation outside the US is different, with many users needing to pay up for the entire phone without subsidy. There are also many people who are now using a smartphone as their only personal connection to the internet, which is a case in which screen sizes matter more. While the US is becoming a replacement device market, and Europe is not far behind, in Latin America and parts of Asia smartphones are conversions from feature phones. What Apple offers is distinctive style, at least for those who want that aspect of perceived personal luxury.
    26 Jan, 04:06 PM Reply Like
  • Good points.I think Apple is well aware of them, and do believe they will address them soon. China is a big target and heard about the process of selling phones there with some kind monthly charge typically around $10-$20/mo. Cook has acknowledged the importance of China to the company, so I believe there is much to come
    26 Jan, 11:15 PM Reply Like
  • AAPL permabulls have a hard time differentiating between the company's products (which, admittedly, I love) and the company's stock (which I've been ragging on for months now - and it's going lower).

    There is a huge difference.
    25 Jan, 08:20 PM Reply Like
  • I'm an Apple product bull, and an AAPL bear at the moment. ;)
    25 Jan, 09:15 PM Reply Like
  • At the moment but how long ?
    26 Jan, 05:52 AM Reply Like
  • http://seekingalpha.co...

    That was a while ago that I wrote that. We never really had a full market correction last year. I rarely ever buy shares in any company when the market is high overall, though sometimes hedges are good choices. In a market decline, I would look at AAPL shares. I still think the level between 355.00 and 420.00 is a good range for AAPL shares, though it depends upon the level of the overall market. I would hope for a decline on the S&P prior to then, though we might not see that for another week or three. The real key to watch is SPXA50R.
    26 Jan, 02:12 PM Reply Like
  • I like the supersize iphone option.....Apple should offer more iphone choices.....why give up any market share to samsung.
    25 Jan, 09:06 PM Reply Like
  • Maybe one you can strap on like a backpack.... Remember that green army man that was squatted down with a radio? That was an iPhone. Jobs' grandpa looked into the future when he designed that army man.
    25 Jan, 09:16 PM Reply Like
  • "...and is developing a cheaper, plastic-bodied iPhone "with China Mobile in mind."

    If that is true, then dontcha' think that inking an agreement with CHL is almost a done deal?
    When that happens AAPL will have access to over 1 BILLION Chinese consumers.
    Think about that.
    25 Jan, 09:43 PM Reply Like
  • CHL won't subsidize a phone. Even a plastic one. Samsung has that market wrapped up.
    25 Jan, 09:54 PM Reply Like
  • The 2 other Chinese careers dont subsidize either & they sell a lot of them. With a low cost one the sales with double or triple because of the APPLE logo on it. In Europe many dont buy Iphone because of the price but they dream of it. Even in US the low cost Iphone will take a big part of android cheap handset market. But i doubt that Apple would sell it in US.
    I leave in Belgium. I have a IP4 & plan to upgrade to 5S. My wife, my son & my daughter have an Android because of the price. They tend to use my IP4 for many purposes instead of their devices
    26 Jan, 06:01 AM Reply Like
  • "Samsung has that market wrapped up."

    What market are you talking about? Surely not the Cn high-end cell phone market?

    Are you? If you think Samsung has the advantage, you are gravely misinformed!
    26 Jan, 07:31 AM Reply Like
  • Given the Choice, they'll dump the Samsung in a Bejing minute for the Apple. Perception is important in China. Samsung is a cheap piece of Korean junk and an iPhone rip off to begin with.
    26 Jan, 11:19 AM Reply Like
  • You've captured it all in your post. Apple remains an aspirational brand, and a lower cost model WILL eat into the Samsung market share internationally, even at a somewhat higher price.

    Remember a few months back when the iPad Mini announced, reviewers and guys like me (with an iPad 3) turned up their noses at the non-retina screen and higher-than-competition pricing? - and it immediately sold out, even in China? Even I, who've been watching small computer devices in the Akihabara for decades "forgot" how popular small novel devices are in Asia - and how prestigious it is for a yuppie in Tokyo or Beijing to whip out a small Apple device in an after-hours bar...and how declasse' it is to pull out an Asian brand in that setting.

    Apple will come back, but as a stock, not for awhile. I see it bumping along the 420-450 level for months, until the introduction of another "new" device, the predictable bombing of the BB10, etc. Klein's refusal to discuss Surface or Windows 8 phone sales on the MSFT conference call - and the absence of Steve Ballmer - spoke volumes. Though I rarely agree with Jim Cramer on anything, his comment that the MSFT earnings call could be recorded and used as a treatment for insomnia ("Lunesta-soft") was right on.

    MSFT spent $9 billion on R&D last year, 3X AAPL. MSFT has nothing to show for it. Samsung's ad spend was almost as much as AAPL's R&D, and they have little to show for it - sure not mobile profits.
    26 Jan, 12:08 PM Reply Like
  • BB10 is not going to bomb
    26 Jan, 12:41 PM Reply Like
  • "Perception is important in China."
    "dump the Samsung in a Bejing minute"

    Agreed, though I've been noticing more high-end Samsung Galaxy smartphones in Shanghai.

    furthermore, Beijing is either flooded, freezing and always over-polluted, which distorts reality.

    Glad I am not there, though the people were very hospitable ...
    28 Jan, 07:02 AM Reply Like
  • I could be way off here, but, I see the "promotion" of Ivy to sort of second in command, as a key to the future of Apple & AAPL. My suspicion is that the software 'guru' that got canned was pissing in two wells: the continued achievement of the Apple product experience & harmonious executive management behavior.

    The whole hubbub of size, shape, interoperability of screen density, area, overlapping products in iOS just got too difficult for Cook... so he fired the software problem child & made Ivy the second coming of Jobs The Product Designer... what do you think?
    10 Feb, 09:34 PM Reply Like
  • Cook wanted "yes" men; people on his executive team who would agree with him. Forstall was not a "yes" man. The trouble is that in canning the guy behind the driving force of iOS, Tim Cook has shown that he is gambling that transforming future software will maintain interest in iDevices. The other down way to look at this is that the non-3D look software approach of Microsoft with Windows 8 is the way forward, and the Forstall approach of 3D look icons was the past. Either way, it remains to be seen if these events and choices will be positive for AAPL. What will confirm that will be an entirely new product and another refresh of iOS, along with adoption by end users. In the later half of 2013, we should find out if this is all a good strategy and direction.
    10 Feb, 09:43 PM Reply Like
  • I'll believe it all when I see it
    25 Jan, 10:47 PM Reply Like
  • As a Mac user since the mid 90s, I applaud Apple's many product and marketing successes. As a AAPL player, also since the mid to late 90s, I say, "bring it on" w/ the lower 400s/share. Just means more scaredee cats bailing out & more available shares for others to buy up. Those of us w/ thicker skins & different investing philosophies than all these cry babies. Up, down, up, down & back up again. Er, that IS the way that active traders make their money, volatility. Enjoy the ride or get off the roller coaster.
    26 Jan, 01:27 AM Reply Like
  • Where did you get this info from.....fool.......if Apple are going to turn it around from here it will be new innovation, not a revamped IPad....where do they drag you people out from, or can anyone with a pulse put out stories at SA....? Get a grip people.....!!!!
    26 Jan, 03:48 AM Reply Like
  • How come that people buy more & more the so called revamped Idevices. Nokia's or samsung's handsets are all +/- revamped &/or copycat devices also. Only samsung sells its' handsets as good as apple does. You know why ? Mostly Copycats & not only for the rounded corners.
    26 Jan, 06:07 AM Reply Like
  • Having just been out to help my wife get a replacement phone, it was no contest on price and capability.....Samsung SIII mini for £15.50pm......it would have been 3 times that for the latest IPhone......THAT is why Apple are getting creamed at the moment.....they have to come up with a 'less costly" phone option (they don't do cheap) and work better with the providers or they will lose that market no matter how may Apps they have......that goes for tablets too.
    26 Jan, 08:53 AM Reply Like
  • Creamed?!!! A BILLION in profit a week for this last quarter is creamed??!! did you take a business course in school?.. Samsung or any company on earth would love to get creamed like that.
    26 Jan, 11:24 AM Reply Like
  • Have you read the reviews on the S3mini? It's not a smaller S3. You and your wife will be back shopping for another replacement soon, and then you will decide to pay more for quality. Apple may just get your business yet.
    27 Jan, 05:05 PM Reply Like
  • "THAT is why Apple are getting creamed at the moment"

    Is Apple going for profits or gross margin?
    26 Jan, 09:11 AM Reply Like
  • The ipad5 with approximately the screen/body ratios of the mini has been widely anticipated and should keep the ipad franchise humming. I'd like to see a super sized iPad also. If the mini gets the retina display but can retain most of it's svelte nature and battery life & pricing... it will be even more of runaway hit.

    I'm glad to hear they are considering a larger phone; 4.7 should be the minimum...otherwise they are just tossing business to Samsung. Why not also create a version of the ipad mini that is a phone? Instead of just chasing the evolving larger Samsung phones this would be a nice attack from higher ground. Before I get the comments again...you would use a bluetooth headset or speakerphone (no...you don't hold the giant thing up to your head).
    26 Jan, 09:24 AM Reply Like
  • Look, as I traveled through the Middle East this past September and October, I can't tell you the number of people I saw using full-size iPads as cameras, from the Topkapi palace in Istanbul to the Western Wall in Jerusalem and the "Treasury" in Petra, Jordan.

    Did you note that during Alicia Key's "Obama's on Fire" during the inauguration ball, a few of the iOS devices held aloft were iPads? Even here.

    Big iOS devices don't seem to pose a portability obstacle to many people!
    26 Jan, 12:14 PM Reply Like
  • Still a ton of bulls on this stock which is literally amazing given the pounding it has taken in such a short period of time.

    I don't think the momentum will change until the commentary on the stock is overwhelmingly bearish here and everywhere else. That will be a bottom. Maybe it happens sooner rather than later but this stock is still too loved in my opinion.

    For holders of AAPL I hope I am wrong. I will be looking to become one of those direct holders (if you own the SPY or another index you own it) at some point.
    26 Jan, 12:34 PM Reply Like
  • Galt, as a general rule of thumb I would say your viewpoint has validity, but in the case of Apple most of the stock is held by funds and most of the comments come from individual investors. The media and analyst flow are increasingly bearish. The actual performance of the company is still impressive although below extremely high expectations. If the company really does underperform to the level the bears anticipate then you will start to see the individual bulls jump ship...but this hasn't happened yet and may well not happen. Note that I consider myself a bull in term of future expectations but am on the sidelines until I see a shift in the stock performance and/or certain product aspects.
    26 Jan, 06:42 PM Reply Like
  • world class Branding ,high concept reputation for design , os elegance in motion, who comes close ? Legacy yes , reality even more so , Apple is on the crest of the wave. Believe ...
    27 Jan, 03:41 PM Reply Like
  • As a consumer, I think that AAPL has the freshest looks! For me, it is better than the competition because of how it looks, function and ease of use. The only thing I don't like are all those ugly cases out there in the world that cover it - loses the Apple appeal folks! For the company, why did they give lower guidance for next quarter?!? and decided another approach on how the numbers are released. It's better if they give a percentage of how close they will hit it's target. More simplistic? or is APPLE not too optimistic about it's future, or just plain lala land during the conference call. lol. I'm just saying from an outsiders point of view.. You can love it or short it, by the end of the day it's easy to use for all age of users. Cheers!

    Best,

    Paul
    27 Jan, 05:04 PM Reply Like
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