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A Network Engineer at one of the worlds largest ISPs. Spent two years as a licensed broker from 2003-2005 at Montauk Financial, and then at L.H.Ross. Had to leave position due to getting deployed. When I returned from overseas, I decided to enter a bit more of an honest business.
  • AMD's Greatest Obstacle - The Street 8 comments
    Jul 23, 2013 10:18 PM | about stocks: AMD

    A few months back I was dawdling on some message boards and feeds trying to get more information on the Steamroller based AMD chips - When would they come out? Would they be worth the wait? What would make them any different than bulldozer or pile-driver?

    Either way, the message boards were for the most part excited about the newest offering (not to be released until late this year Q4). AMD has always held a solid niche in the PC market (minus the embarrassing bulldozer CPU drop) for low to mid-range machines, and I got to wondering what the stock was looking like.

    Low and behold there she sat at ~$2.40 a share. I had read in many boards that the disappointing bulldozer chip had largely lead a hit on the chipmaker as being junk, and that despite the upgraded piledriver chip, AMD was still suffering. To anyone who was paying attention, their new steamroller was their last shot at salvation. During that time, no one thought that the Richland chips being released would be as well received as they had been; nor did anyone suspect that AMD would be picking up the PS4, XBOX 1 etc.

    Still at around 2.40 a share I was a little surprised. Here was Intel's last competitor in the PC world, and she was flailing. Sure the mid to high end Intel chips beat the pants off of most AMD chips at the time (save for the APU chips such as the Trinity) - but without AMD, who would keep Intel honest? If AMD chips were not available at a small price for good performance, would Intel have lower price chips en mass that performed as well as the AMD ones did? I doubt it.

    Long story short the watch begun. Q1 earnings came and I watched the stock start to fly. A little later they announced XBOX1 and PS4 would be using their graphics and processors, and I noticed that the Motley Fool, Barrons, and a few other 'well respected firms' were calling it 'a possibility'. Almost a whole week went by before they acknowledged that it was indeed set in stone - in which time they continued their disparaging comments on how this would not help AMD significantly. All they focused on was the declining PC market and how nothing would save AMD from that.

    I am not going to regurgitate the numerous pages of information on either side of this as it has been already beaten like the proverbial dead horse. What I will do however is point out the full extent of just how unethical these firms are making their claims - and how such high end firms are using publicly announced ignorance in kicking AMD into the dirt.

    For an example, the last earning call for Q2 went rather well. Before the call I honestly thought that the stock at 4.40 was currently over-priced - but around 4 was far more reasonable with current numbers. I was shocked to find that the new APU's were leading the charge in sales in regards to laptops, notebooks, and PC's. On the flip side, it makes sense as rather than buying a discreet graphics card and CPU, you can just get a single chip - saving quite a bit. Sure your performance would never be mind-blowing, but for low to mid-range machines, it is just what the doctor ordered. When global economies (including the US) are rather dismal, people will be looking at the best bang for their buck - not an over achiever.

    Then the downgrades started - downgrades from firms that obviously did not listen to the whole call (couch cough Morgan Stanly) - and made some remarks that indicate that they either did not research AMD properly - or were deliberately misstating fact. The most disturbing part of this to me is the fact that the market reacted to these downgrades and reasons with such zeal that you would think the NASDAQ was having a blue-light sale, and AMD was at the top of the list. Only few and far between were the commenter's who saw this for what it was - a good old fashioned beat down.

    Yes AMD is risky, and is not out of the water so to speak. In addition their competition is extremely good at what they do and are not to be taken lightly. Yet all this was known long before their call ever took place. To make matters worse, the financial 'experts' in multiple articles in multiple venues were all spewing the same nonsense - in complete disregard to the details.

    Take the 'disappointing graphics sales'. Do these 'experts' in technology NOT know what integrated graphics are? Do they not understand that the APU's are often used with a motherboard alone to provide the graphics at a cheap price - hence the upswing in APU sales? Do they not understand that discreet graphics cards will run a little more, and that many of the mobile/laptop would opt for an APU as oppose to a regular machine that needs a graphics card that will add to both price and power consumption? No - they do not understand this simple thing 1 iota. And if they were referencing desktops, all they need to do is hop on any NVDA or ATI forum where they would find the two are held in equal favor for the desktop market. In short, stating 'poor graphics income' as a reason to downgrade is ignorant at best.

    If they were going by what AMD had stated multiple times over (including their Q2 report and conference call), then they would know that the lion's share of their 'Graphics and Visual Solutions' revenue was including custom chips, and the revenue from the XBOX and PS4 sales - which the company stated many times would not be shown until Q3 when the ramp up started. So it wasn't because the AMD presenters were asked an unexpected question as stated by many including several in the Motley Fool, but because the question was already answered (in a far more positive light). The presenters were not remaining silent because they were ambushed, but because they were wondering if any of those asking the questions if they had listened to a word they said up to that point - much less understood what a computer chip is.

    Another common hit given is 'their gross margin was actual decreasing since last quarter' - which is even less than last year. For an average investor to make that mistake is forgivable - if you didn't listen carefully to the conference call, read the earnings report yourself, or listen to the news, you wouldn't know any better. However for a technical analyst to a big name firm like the ones making these statements, this is unforgivable - especially due to the fact that they are more than aware of the power they hold on the street.

    Yes, the gross margin was officially set at 40% - indeed 1% less than the previous quarter. But if read the rest of it "Gross margin was 40%, a decrease of one percentage point sequentially and includes an $11 million benefit from the sale of certain products previously reserved in Q3 2012. You may recall that Q1 2013 gross margin of 41% included a similar benefit of $20 million. Excluding these benefits, gross margin was flat at 39% for both Q2 and Q1 2013." - Devinder Kumar. This simply means that technically, 40% is correct, but given all factors, the GM was 39% for both Q1 and Q2.

    In short, AMD's biggest obstacle right now is not Intel - nor is faith in AMD getting lost due to products or statements. It is getting hammered because big names on the Street can say whatever they want with no negative repercussions, and have an army of blind followers swallowing whatever garbage these government bailed out hogs can feed them. Truth be told though - I am not going to sweat it past this. If these firms do buy below 3.70 a share (or upgrade it to a buy while it is in that range), then they will have to admit to manipulating the market to lower the price. If they do not buy, then their investors will be able to see them for the jokers they are. The only sad part is that neither outcome provides the ridicule these guys truly deserve. If honesty was what they were going for, then they should have cited a real reason to downgrade in their opinion rather than run of the mill, played out manipulation tactics.

    Disclosure: I have no positions in any stocks mentioned, and no plans to initiate any positions within the next 72 hours.

    Stocks: AMD
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  • toonies
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    Motley released two negative articles today. Wrong is that there were lies in the articles I think. Where is the honesty? Bad if I never can meet it on the market. And if, then very rarely. What is negative for me, that no one big manipulator or liar is not punished. Then the market is extremely distorted and mucky and making money this way is very hard game with a lot of dirty tricks.
    P.S. I went through AMDs earning call very carefully and I was very disconcerted by some manipulative questions from some "analysts" which did not need to hear the answers because they had prepared own (mis)interpretation of facts.
    What is good for me is that I was awaiting this game, but what I do not know, where the players set up the bottom, which we will see more than one time till the next earnings. $3.5 or less? $2.5?
    24 Jul 2013, 02:27 PM Reply Like
  • David Shirk
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    Author’s reply » I do not believe this stock will see the low 3's for a very long time - then again, I never expected for those who own this stock to be so willing to dump it due to nonsensical claims either. However anything below 3 would require more nonsense than can be believable by even the dimmest light bulb, so I just can't see it. I would advise people I know who are long AMD to double down in the 3.50-3.60 range if they can, but unfortunately most bought into it too high in the low to mid 4's, and are already fully invested. The kicker is that would have been a good price that would have stayed fairly level minus (if not on the up-take) the peanut gallery throwing their two cents in. If they would have said 'the stock is a little overpriced due to x', then I would be okay with that as it reflects their analysis. However to manipulate a market sector to raise the price of another stock for their own reasons is beyond wrong. I know what they are doing and sure I could take a position and make quite a bit, but at the same time, they have used an odd bit of timing that only they are privy too, making any real investment into AMD a hip shot when it comes to getting a good price. I have no doubt that AMD will do very well from here until at least mid 2014. Inspite of this, I can also see these clowns pulling these tricks over and over to give another company an advantage that is in reality, non-existant. Or they may just be doing this to get in at a better price themselves - wouldn't be the first time. Sadly I would not be entirely surprised if the stock did see 3 again given this level of nonsense.
    24 Jul 2013, 08:10 PM Reply Like
  • wow&wow
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    Good for people waiting to get in or to get more. Not a bad thing.


    Stock prices are up and down, down and up ..., otherwise Wall Street guys won't have jobs. The key is whether things are on the right tracks as the CEO planned.


    Here is the likely how Wall Street guys execute:
    1) Decide what to be accomplished.
    2) Have their interpretation of facts (halve bottle full or empty of the halve-bottle fact) to make reasons to justify and support what their actions.


    AMD's Greatest Obstacle - Having OEM manufacturers put its chips in their products. This is nay be the most important fact.
    25 Jul 2013, 12:30 PM Reply Like
  • David Shirk
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    Author’s reply » @wow&wow - it is indeed a good opportunity for the late comers to get in - or to increase a current position - I will not argue that.
    Yes, stock prices do go up and down - this is no secret either.
    My issue is not with these simple facts but rather in reason.
    Some believe that in chaos there is opportunity - to people such as this, this kind of nonsense is perfectly agreeable. To others in the opposite camp - people who prefer solid reason and strategy, this is deplorable.
    I am a middle guy. Chaos in a stock price occurs more than enough for real reasons to provide opportunity - this is both expected and welcomed by any reasoning investor. However chaos incurred through the whims of the well connected that do not allow for reason of any kind is the kind of thing that keeps this sector - heck the entire economy - from recovering.
    "1) Decide what to be accomplished." - It is not up to wall street to decide the future of a company - that is up to those invested in the company, and the company itself. If Wall street deciding the futures of companies (which sadly does happen sometimes) becomes common - then there is no future for the US as a whole.
    "2) Have their interpretation of facts (halve bottle full or empty of the halve-bottle fact) to make reasons to justify and support what their actions." - This is the bigger problem that spans what ails the US in all sectors. Peoples interpretation of an event ignores all the facts on a whole - making it not an interpretation, but ignorance. When this ignorance becomes willful - then it blossoms into full blown malice. When Wall Street's interpretations have followed this - they no are no longer forgivable as it becomes manipulation - which is indeed, illegal. Unfortunately, they can afford the lawyers and the SEC leaving everyone else to half ass it.


    "AMD's Greatest Obstacle - Having OEM manufacturers put its chips in their products. This is nay be the most important fact." - they already have - from Samsung, to HP, to MS, to Sony - and that still isn't enough for the manipulators who are looking to blame the company for a fault that does not exist so they can have funds vested in things they have more control over.
    25 Jul 2013, 09:45 PM Reply Like
  • sharke
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    what do you think about current Q3 results? is it worthwhile to accumulate?
    20 Oct 2013, 12:52 AM Reply Like
  • David Shirk
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    Author’s reply » I wrote an article on it - its just waiting SA's approval.
    20 Oct 2013, 01:24 AM Reply Like
  • David Shirk
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    Author’s reply » Thanks for the interest! Given the same pattern as last quarter, I believe SA will have it out soon.
    20 Oct 2013, 01:27 AM Reply Like
  • sharke
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    looking forward to it!
    20 Oct 2013, 01:59 AM Reply Like
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