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  • Axion Power Concentrator 116: June 17, 2012: Axion Confirms 2012 Annual Meeting Of Stockholders 220 comments
    Jun 17, 2012 8:01 AM | about stocks: AXPW

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    Axion Power Shareholders' Conference: June 21, 2012

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    Axion Confirms 2012 Annual Meeting of Shareholders

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    Bottom Feeder's Alert: provided by JP

    I've recently learned that 2 million shares that were held by the Mega-C Shareholders Trust are being turned over to the Bankruptcy Trustee.

    The Court Order requiring the turnover of the shares was signed on June 1st. -

    dl.dropbox.com/u/26257506/6.1.12%20Turno...

    I expect the Bankruptcy Trustee to start selling as soon as the shares are deposited to his account.

    I don't expect him to be gentle and there will probably be some pushing and shoving around the pay window until the shares are sold.

    I will not be surprised if the Bankruptcy Trustee's selling puts unexpected downward pressure on the stock price. Since the order requires the shares to be delivered to the Bankruptcy Trustee's brokerage account, I do not expect the sales to show up in HTL's short tracking data.

    I have not heard back from my contacts who are trying to find out how many shares remain in the hands of other willing sellers, but I expect the Bankruptcy Trustee to create a great short-term opportunity for bottom feeders who understand where the shares are coming from and why.

    It's not often that individuals get advance notice of an opportunity to buy stock in a bankruptcy sale. Happy hunting.

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  • wtblanchard
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    Sudden Acceleration related to BMW Brake Energy Regeneration?

     

    http://bit.ly/Mijibq

     

    Anecdotal for sure, but something to watch, and one more reminder about why it takes so long to develop and test these systems, and the risks the automakers routinely face when introducing significant changes.
    17 Jun 2012, 11:58 AM Reply Like
  • iindelco
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    BTW, One other point. And it's an obvious but fitting one.

     

    Many people driving cars are distracted. Distracted to the point where some don't consider the driving to be the primary task. They are kind of on auto pilot. Take an occurrence where they are visually focused on another task and throw a non standard event into their visual field and not only does their response time lag but they will often over react in doing the right action or worse.

     

    A good example of how the automakers are trying to help in this area, and there are many others, is the vibrating seat from Cadillac whenever the back up sensors detect an object in the way. Can't use audible because the music is blasting. can't use visual because the driver is looking in the rear view mirror or over their shoulder.

     

    Just some thoughts on how this vehicle response change during deceleration could really cause problems for people. Especially if they are not focused.
    17 Jun 2012, 12:59 PM Reply Like
  • H. T. Love
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    ISTM the problem is our inability to be predictive of the event. Once the regen is active and providing a certain mount of braking, our responses are predicated on a continuation of the breaking effect, just as when in normal operator-initiated braking we modulate pedal pressure to achieve full stop at a certain point.

     

    Remove the predictability and we have both a harder time smoothly doing what we intend and slower and/or inappropriate responses even if fully attentive.

     

    Just one of the difficulties of implementation of all the technology.

     

    Predictability is necessary for the operator.

     

    HardToLove
    18 Jun 2012, 05:07 AM Reply Like
  • tripleblack
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    This topic has been around the automotive world since the first hybrid with regenerative braking made an appearance. The best solution seemed to be to keep the end of the system interacting with the human presenting the usual (as HTL says, predictable) feedback, whereas the regenerative functioned invisibly in the background. The idea was that as the regenerative aspect faded, it was replaced with an equally robust mechanical braking cycle. The human part of the loop would never feel any difference, and the brakes would work whether the regenerative function worked or not (this was also viewed as a safety feature, of course).

     

    In this case it would appear that the original goal (invisible regenerative braking operating seamlessly in the background, regardless of status) was not achieved.

     

    Maybe BMW needs to go back and tear apart a few more Toyotas?
    18 Jun 2012, 08:37 AM Reply Like
  • H. T. Love
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    "of the breaking effect,"

     

    Even though I was alert for this, I took the wrong path. S/B "of the braking effect,".

     

    Of COARSE, I couldn't help myself! :-))

     

    HardToLove
    18 Jun 2012, 08:51 AM Reply Like
  • tripleblack
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    Remember the old shade treee litany: "If you break the brakes you'll need to break into the brake lines to fix the break, which will make you break a sweat, and need a break. And if you can't fix the brakes you broke, you'll have to buy new brakes, and those are the breaks."
    18 Jun 2012, 08:54 AM Reply Like
  • John Petersen
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    I have to think the 17" touchscreen in the Tesla console will do wonders for driver focus and concentration.

     

    Dateline Santa Monica: "Irving Greenshoes was killed today while driving at a high rate of speed and using the user touchscreen in his Tesla Model-S to a comment on an unidentified internet blog that offended his sensibilities. Due to the time savings associated with an ensuing battery pack fire, his cremains will be released upon the ocean this Sunday, between volleyball sets."
    18 Jun 2012, 09:07 AM Reply Like
  • iindelco
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    "Irving Greenshoes"

     

    LOL
    18 Jun 2012, 09:38 AM Reply Like
  • John Petersen
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    My first thought was Greenjeans but that name had too many pleasant childhood memories.
    18 Jun 2012, 09:57 AM Reply Like
  • tripleblack
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    Amazing how Tesla has special huge touchscreens manufactured without rare earths...

     

    I guess the active screen area is about 1x1 inch?
    18 Jun 2012, 09:58 AM Reply Like
  • iindelco
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    Yeah, Mr. Moose, Bunny Rabbit and Dancing Bear would frown on you dissin' him.
    18 Jun 2012, 10:15 AM Reply Like
  • SMaturin
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    Any relation to Alan Greenspin?
    18 Jun 2012, 10:21 AM Reply Like
  • jpau
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    His name made no sense to me until we got a color tv
    18 Jun 2012, 10:28 AM Reply Like
  • iindelco
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    Yeah, You kind of had to use your imagination verses it being clear. Comparable to what you need to do to justify buying a passenger PHEV or EV. Not clear yet but maybe they will add some color someday.
    18 Jun 2012, 10:35 AM Reply Like
  • John Petersen
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    Egggzactly!
    18 Jun 2012, 10:41 AM Reply Like
  • iindelco
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    WTB, Thanks. Great find.

     

    I can kind of understand how what they are describing might happen. Adjust the dynamic braking on a level surface and reduced deceleration would feel like acceleration (It's not "normal"). Do it on the right grade and you'd actually accelerate. Not saying this is exactly what's happening but with the data I can gather from the posts it's a good guess.

     

    This could be perfectly normal and safe if the driver understands it. If not all kinds of unintended reactions could follow.

     

    As an example. Older guys like myself experienced the transition from rear wheel drive to front wheel drive. Quite a bit of difference on how one handles braking and steering issues in less than good road surface conditions. Can you imagine what would happen if we large scale went the other way. It's much easier for an amateur driver to handle front wheel vs rear wheel drive. Just to make it interesting we'll take away ABS at the same time! ughh.

     

    Again. Thanks for the link!
    17 Jun 2012, 12:49 PM Reply Like
  • FocalPoint Analytics
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    It's a well know phenomenon with regenerative breaking systems. Here is a link to a discussion on Tesla's site about the issue. http://tinyurl.com/7gn.... If the battery can't accept the charge or the charge rate is too high, the BCS sheds the load. As the BCS reduces its charge acceptance, the breaking effect diminishes. I would think this would be highly disconcerting to have your car change its rate of acceleration without any action of the driver on the controls. I suppose they could get around it by providing some sort of load sink, but that's extra cost.

     

    Interesting how low temperatures interacts with this effect.
    17 Jun 2012, 01:17 PM Reply Like
  • iindelco
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    Thanks FPA. it all makes perfect sense.

     

    Maybe that's why they want carbon fiber. They can use a structural component as a load! (Obvious humor but I'd check the resistance and possibly use it if it was conductive and consistent.)
    17 Jun 2012, 01:27 PM Reply Like
  • Deamiter
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    FPA -- as the regenerative breaking is reduced, I suspect that mechanical breaks would be applied to keep the braking relatively seamless.

     

    Apparently Tesla does this quite successfully as drivers don't notice jarring transitions (something they SHOULD get right at that price!)
    17 Jun 2012, 10:52 PM Reply Like
  • mds5375
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    Regarding yesterday's discussion on BMW designing a new vehicle around PbC's enhanced capabilities:

     

    While this would be great news for Axion, I can't imagine BMW wanting any news getting out until close to product-release time in order to stay well ahead of their competition. A long delay in release time for such news is not helpful for Axion.

     

    A time period mentioned for vehicle release was 2013-2014. If there were a new vehicle designed around PbC technology, anyone have any ideas for a BMW news release that might help Axion?
    17 Jun 2012, 01:18 PM Reply Like
  • John Petersen
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    I tend to think that news from railroad and stationary applications will come before an automotive design win. That being said, September is coming and BMW makes a number of limited production specialty vehicles that might be suitable for an initial PbC launch. No matter what happens, we're not likely to hear news before the car is ready for launch.
    17 Jun 2012, 01:28 PM Reply Like
  • iindelco
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    I'm pretty sure I saw a TG interview from last year where TG was thinking automotive had a higher chance of beating grid level utility. I can understand his perspective. Of coarse stationary apps are far broader than just utility and I can see things like UPS, wind and solar before automotive.

     

    I thought they should have done consumer UPS/wind/solar more aggressively myself. But then I'm looking in through a well etched window.
    17 Jun 2012, 02:14 PM Reply Like
  • John Petersen
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    There are more unknowns than I care to count, but it feels really good to be still standing after three years of BMW torture testing.
    17 Jun 2012, 02:16 PM Reply Like
  • Mayascribe
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    Sudden acceleration, if true, is a dangerous and potentially unfortunate development for BMW, and us Axion owners.

     

    Back in the 80's, I owned an Audi 5000 Turbo S, and had heard about the widespread sudden acceleration issue through 60 Minutes.

     

    One day, as I was driving down a winding Pittsburgh hill, and suddenly, my car took off and the RPMs jumped to over 4500.

     

    I was lucky having just seen the 60 minutes special on Audi. I immediately realized what was happening and applied the brakes, and basically only used the brakes, uphill, downhill, or on the flat, for about 5 miles to my buddy's gas station.

     

    I pulled in, parked and left the car running...churning. Donny, my high school chum and mechanic, was also aware of this developing problem, and scrambled across the street to his father's house, a local judge, and borrowed his mailbox-sized video camera.

     

    He returned. We turned the car off, and then restarted it. Through the rear window he aimed the camera at the tachometer, and sure enough, within a minute or two, the tach shot back up to 4500 RPM, with nobody inside.

     

    I left the car at his shop, and upon returning home, I called Morely Safer of 60 Minutes. Immediately, I was put in contact with his personal assistant, and after a minute or so, she said she had spoken to Morely, and was told he would be shortly calling me.

     

    Later on, the assistant called me back, but because legal considerations -- that Audi had already begun a law suit against 60 Minutes -- Morely could not talk to me after being advised by 60 Minutes attorneys. The Assistant did (strongly) advise me to retain the VCR tape.

     

    My Audi was towed for free to the local dealership where some part was installed that would prevent my Audi from running away "underfoot."

     

    I would not bother to relate this story, except that it is important for all to know that this sudden acceleration story creamed Audi sales for a long time.

     

    The sad part of this is that if BMW is experiencing issues with sudden acceleration from the regenerative braking system, this "could" be very bad for Axion Power, in that it has nothing to due with the performance of the PbC, but rather that because this issue is occurring, BMW will be forced to fix it before more of them get onto the market. BMW cannot afford to have happen what happened to Audi.

     

    Bottom line, if sudden acceleration is occurring, this could be another cog in the PbC coming to market anytime soon with BMW.

     

    Sorry folks, but in this column we tell it as it is, or how we see it, and I most definitely am not enjoying learning of this potential emerging problem BMW may be experiencing.
    17 Jun 2012, 01:38 PM Reply Like
  • John Petersen
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    The sudden acceleration problems are being reported in BMWs Active E HEVs, not their micro-hybrids.

     

    It's critical to remember that regeneration in micro-hybrids is limited by the size of the starter-generator and never gets much above 1 hp. Even the second generation micro-hybrids won't get much above 2 hp.

     

    Everybody refers to it as regenerative braking, but the reality is closer to opportunistic charging.

     

    Hybrids, in comparison, can generate 80 to 100 hp of power with no sweat.

     

    Sometimes it's nice being small, simple and designed for the masses.
    17 Jun 2012, 02:04 PM Reply Like
  • Mayascribe
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    I realize that, but because of the bad press Audi received, all models suffered in sales for years. What we know, the public likely won't take the time to learn.

     

    My mechanic had a quite justifiable nickname for my Audi: "Audi-get-rid-of-it."
    17 Jun 2012, 02:09 PM Reply Like
  • John Petersen
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    Mercifully, BMW is having a problem with a niche vehicle that sells a couple thousand units a year instead of a mainline vehicle like the Audi 5,000 that sold in big numbers.
    17 Jun 2012, 02:14 PM Reply Like
  • iindelco
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    John, Good point.
    17 Jun 2012, 02:21 PM Reply Like
  • FocalPoint Analytics
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    I don't think it's as serious as the Audi problem Maya. With the Audi, the engine's throttle basically ran away. That's scary as hell.

     

    In this situation, you could be coasting with your foot not applying significant pressure to the brake pedal when the regenerative breaking turns off because the BCS determines the battery can't accept anymore charging. The vehicles rate of deceleration would decrease, but you would interpret that as positive acceleration.

     

    In another situation, you could be applying brake pressure, but than the regenerative braking turns off. Once again, your rate of deceleration would decrease, and you would sense acceleration while your foot was exerting relatively constant pressure on the brake pedal. I would find that sensation highly disconcerting. That could cause the driver to sharply apply brake, and in adverse weather conditions, that could result in a loss of control.

     

    There are several ways to deal with the issue, but there are some trade-offs present. For example, the BCS could be programed to modify the charge rate as a function of the batteries charge level. I think the PbC has an advantage here because it should have a wider charge rate window of operation. The key seems to be the allowed rate of turning off the regenerative breaking based on the batteries condition.
    17 Jun 2012, 03:50 PM Reply Like
  • iindelco
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    FPA, Agree with all your points. In the end they may have to adjust the efficiency of the vehicle down some to add a more natural feel to the deceleration contributed by the regenerative braking. By this I mean ramping the function based on the speed of the vehicle. In addition conserving enough of a charge window to make sure you can manage the dynamic ramp without treating it as a digital function.

     

    As you've already suggested there are a few ways to manage it but it's at the cost of efficiency. Engineers might have been a little overly aggressive since the window sticker number is very important and they would not suffer from the same surprise factor since they well understand what's happening. In the end the safety of the occupants is going to have to be managed.

     

    I suspect they are assessing it aggressively as they don't want to put "Ralph Nader junior" in front of the camera. Perception can be a bad thing so they will not wait too long.
    17 Jun 2012, 04:27 PM Reply Like
  • Mayascribe
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    JP & FPA: Thanks.

     

    "The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education." -- Albert Einstein.

     

    Sometimes it is a good thing being wrong. :-)
    17 Jun 2012, 06:02 PM Reply Like
  • Tim Enright
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    Maya, I have lots of experience being wrong and I am okay with it (as long as I don't cause injury or pain to others)...
    17 Jun 2012, 07:48 PM Reply Like
  • jpau
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    I always liked Planck's observation that science advances one funeral at at a time
    18 Jun 2012, 07:22 AM Reply Like
  • D Lane
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    I know that NYC MTA de-tuned the braking regen of early hybrid buses so that the braking feel would be more similar (for the bus operators) to non-hybrid buses in the fleet.
    18 Jun 2012, 11:19 AM Reply Like
  • iindelco
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    Thanks D lane, There will be a learning curve for this on all the applications I suspect. Both for the operators and the equipment suppliers. Just need to be careful during the transitional phase. Lessons can get very expensive quickly.

     

    I'd think it would be an easier transition in a controlled environment with professional bus drivers than it would be in the passenger vehicles market. Good reason why they at least do some level of fleet testing for passenger vehicles before launch.
    18 Jun 2012, 11:53 AM Reply Like
  • wtblanchard
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    Australia addressing renewables variability:

     

    our Ecoult friends on the Wind Side:
    "Australian wind project links battery with weather algorithms"
    http://bit.ly/KuJiTU

     

    Solar side:

     

    http://bit.ly/LTjKxY

     

    "We can ‘fix’ intermittency. With knowledge and tools, such as solar forecasting and energy management, CSIRO can provide the information required to manage solar intermittency.

     

    We need a customised approach. There is no global consensus on managing solar intermittency. It is not uniform and different sites, regions and countries require individual solutions. Local research and demonstration pilots are required. Australia has a unique electricity network and we need unique solutions.

     

    We need a highly flexible electricity grid. If large amounts of solar energy are to be used as a power source in the future, the electricity grid has to be designed or adapted for renewable energy sources, while keeping network costs low."

     

    [contains a link to the entire report, which I haven't read]
    17 Jun 2012, 06:13 PM Reply Like
  • John Petersen
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    My latest article just went up. It's all about micro-hybrids and drills pretty far down into the competitive strengths, weaknesses, similarities and differences of PbC and A123's LiFePO4 stop-start offering. It includes a number of thoughts I haven't discussed before now.

     

    http://seekingalpha.co...
    18 Jun 2012, 09:15 AM Reply Like
  • Articula
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    Great article - gives a great overview of the current battery landscape.
    18 Jun 2012, 09:50 AM Reply Like
  • John Petersen
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    I'll be curious to see how much traffic it gets without a fire breathing black knight.
    18 Jun 2012, 09:58 AM Reply Like
  • anthlj
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    John,
    Did you decide to make an appearance at AABC Europe? If not, will you be receiving feedback from others?
    As noted in APC 111, it seemed that some key presentations relating to how automakers see battery tech deploying in next gen heavy and light micorhybrid settings (higher voltages etc.) would be given in Mainz on June 21st.
    Thanks

     

    JP comment 16174, APC 111
    It is primarily a lithium-ion love fest, but this particular segment is all about here and now instead of somewhere over the rainbow.

     

    I'm checking to see if I can get a press pass for the 21st and think it might be worth a trip North since I can't go as far west as I'd like.
    18 Jun 2012, 01:23 PM Reply Like
  • John Petersen
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    I still haven't heard whether I can get a press pass or not. In any event the editor of Batteries International will be at AABC and he's happy to send whatever I want in terms of presentation materials.
    18 Jun 2012, 01:33 PM Reply Like
  • LabTech
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    Nice article John. The comments afterwards are even somewhat reasonable for a change. I guess when you don't mention TSLA in the article you don't get all the BEV faithful coming in to argue.
    19 Jun 2012, 10:01 AM Reply Like
  • John Petersen
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    I still get a few that make fools of themselves tripping off into the land of make believe, but they're more than offset by readers who want to ask intelligent and relevant questions.
    19 Jun 2012, 10:07 AM Reply Like
  • LabTech
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    Yes, though I would make the suggestion that sometimes it's better to just point out where they are wrong rather than calling them trolls. It makes you look less professional when you stoop to their level of name calling.
    19 Jun 2012, 11:55 AM Reply Like
  • John Petersen
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    There comes a time when people get too persistent and I'm nobody's doormat. My comment strings used to be one of the finest sources of information around and they will be again. I don't mind holding an open house where things are pretty free-wheeling, but I won't stand for people who just want to clutter the room with rubbish.
    19 Jun 2012, 12:11 PM Reply Like
  • tripleblack
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    Identifying trolls is sometimes more difficult than other times. Some trolls just pop in, emit toxic waste, and are easily identified and disposed of. Others are more subtle... They keep repeating the same inane line of nonsense, stalking the author, over and over. In those cases the subtle troll is even more damaging than the overtly trollish invader. The more subtle individual is able to spread his contamination widely over the site, and still pretend to be hurt and dismayed when someone challenges him. Its not the first or second time he plies his trollish trade, but the 50th, the 500th...

     

    On the sites I moderate, I treat the term "troll" seriously, but I also look back over the history rather than just the individual complaint... And I give the complaining author the benefit of the doubt.
    19 Jun 2012, 12:18 PM Reply Like
  • John Petersen
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    I don't like to whine but I have several commenters who've amassed archives of several hundred comments each on my work over the past few months. Most have no SA history outside my comment streams. I had one who got to a couple thousand comments before I convinced SA that he should not be allowed to stalk me.
    19 Jun 2012, 12:33 PM Reply Like
  • DRich
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    >JP ... If it would help ... I could become a lot more "Trollish" in these & your threads. I have no problem finding things to go off on a tangent about ... which, for the most part, aren't on-topic. Just sayin', if you keep writing articles that don't attract enough crazies, I'm here to help.
    19 Jun 2012, 12:43 PM Reply Like
  • iindelco
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    How could they get rid of the person though? All they have to do is create another E-mail address and start another account. Or do they have the ability to stop it based on the IP address?
    19 Jun 2012, 12:45 PM Reply Like
  • John Petersen
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    They seem to be pretty good about putting a cork in the bottle and avoiding situations where the same guy shows up with a different screen name. Either that or my stalkers just aren't creative enough.
    19 Jun 2012, 12:47 PM Reply Like
  • John Petersen
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    Thanks for the kind offer to add some confusion DRich, but I really like civil and cogent, even when people disagree with me. Anything less violates my life is too short rule.
    19 Jun 2012, 12:48 PM Reply Like
  • LabTech
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    We could all take turns! All we need is a user name and a nice picture of a troll and we could jump into John's articles and start making the same wild comments some of the BEV faithful like to spout over and over. Then again...naw, better not. Knowing them, they'd actually think we were serious.
    19 Jun 2012, 01:46 PM Reply Like
  • SMaturin
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    Pix: http://bit.ly/JgIk9m
    19 Jun 2012, 01:53 PM Reply Like
  • Deamiter
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    From past moderation of high-traffic forums, I've found that it's pretty rare for a troll to outlast a dedicated moderator. You ban a troll and some percentage obviously come back. Then you ban them again and maybe ban the IP address and only a very small percentage still come back

     

    The key is that once they've required you to filter IP addresses, you're ticked off and determined to 'win.' Sure, they can mess around with IP spoofing, but having all their posts disappear every time you log on seems to be pretty disheartening.

     

    At that point you're left with one or two types of people. The super emotional who flames out in a blaze of glory (and gets caught fast for language usually) and the bored nerd who takes joy in just barely squeaking past the filters. It's really the latter that racks up thousands of JP-bashing posts before they get banned, and while it does muddy the waters, they have to stay on the "allowable" side of the filters to meet their trollish goals so disruption at least doesn't get ridiculous (by some social standard).
    19 Jun 2012, 02:06 PM Reply Like
  • magounsq
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    tb

     

    "The more subtle individual is able to spread his contamination widely over the site, and still pretend to be hurt and dismayed when someone challenges him. Its not the first or second time he plies his trollish trade, but the 50th, the 500th..."

     

    They appear to be the most insideous, and many well intentioned commenters who don't read "between the lines" tend to focus on the John's frustrated retorts versus the trolls intended misinformation or lure authors to waste time off on tangents.

     

    I guess the price of authoritative and somewhat sophisticated subject matters.
    19 Jun 2012, 05:21 PM Reply Like
  • magounsq
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    Lab

     

    Take a look at the repeat negative commenters who might appear as trollish.
    When their profile appears new and the profile does not cite at least relevant career history of the subject matter, the flag should go up.
    I also believe there is an increase of hidden agenda in more commenters.
    19 Jun 2012, 05:26 PM Reply Like
  • John Petersen
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    They're particularly good at changing the topic of conversation from one where there is no rational argument to one where they can at least engage in hand waving.
    19 Jun 2012, 05:27 PM Reply Like
  • tripleblack
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    Ironically, I believe the more dangerous and determined trolls will be those who have skin in the game on the other side who understand the danger to their investments - have an inkling of the logic underpinning the opposition's ideas - and are ideologically driven fanatics seeking a way to steamroll over the "enemy". My personal experience with this group has been long and painful (though I am proud to say it has been just as long and even more painful for them).

     

    When ideologies become religions, they naturally attract zealots, fanatics determined to force the "one true vision" upon the rest of us, preferably by co-opting the police powers of the State to do most of their dirty work.

     

    If anything, I am far less patient than JP with this group.
    19 Jun 2012, 05:41 PM Reply Like
  • John Petersen
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    It's easy to be patient knowing that if I give the zealots enough rope they'll hang themselves every time.
    19 Jun 2012, 06:05 PM Reply Like
  • Mathieu Malecot
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    the minute they move the bar, they out themselves as troll.
    20 Jun 2012, 08:54 AM Reply Like
  • H. T. Love
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    (AXPW): 6/15 EOD.
    # Trds: 44, MinTrSz: 100, MaxTrSz: 30000, Vol 210011, AvTrSz: 4773
    Min. Pr: 0.3010, Max Pr: 0.3400, VW Avg. Trade Pr: 0.3192
    # Buys, Shares: 34 187161, VW Avg Buy Pr: 0.3203
    # Sells, Shares: 9 17400, VW Avg Sell Pr: 0.3077
    # Unkn, Shares: 1 5450, VW Avg Unk. Pr: 0.3200
    Buy:Sell 10.76:1, DlyShts 73800, 35.1%

     

    HardToLove
    18 Jun 2012, 09:32 AM Reply Like
  • H. T. Love
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    Early indications, via "fishing lures" from the market-maker(?) suggests he wants price up.

     

    HardToLove
    18 Jun 2012, 10:12 AM Reply Like
  • tripleblack
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    Don't we all?
    18 Jun 2012, 10:15 AM Reply Like
  • wtblanchard
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    More on renewables integration issues:

     

    http://bit.ly/NKc4kf

     

    "For example, solar photovoltaic power causes operational concerns related to maintenance and voltage regulation. Most PV inverters cannot adequately regulate voltage, according to Torre, and as a result, there tends to be higher voltages on the distribution system.

     

    ...

     

    Renewable energy companies are stepping up to the plate with technology that addresses integration issues. For example, Siemens' 3.6 MW SWT wind turbine provides frequency regulation, over and under frequency and ramp control.

     

    In addition, Petra Solar's smart energy solution includes automated ramp-rate management that reduces voltage disturbances through controlled return to full power.

     

    "These solar systems come with a technology called GridWave, which is essentially a smart grid technology integrated within the solar system itself," says Asmus. "When the cloud cover goes away, instead of a really steep ramp-up - which would cause problems for a utility such as San Diego Gas and Electric - there's a much more gradual ramp-up.""
    18 Jun 2012, 10:51 AM Reply Like
  • iindelco
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    "Expert calls for development of low-speed vehicles"

     

    "It was unreasonable for the Chinese government to ignore market demand and not include low-speed electric vehicles when making a plan for developing the new-energy automobile industry over the next eight years, a renowned automotive industry expert in China told a clean-energy vehicle forum Saturday in Beijing."

     

    "The government is actively installing recharging facilities across the country and pushing for the development of high-speed, long-range but much more expensive electric vehicles. But it has never come up with a standard for developing low-cost electric cars that run at up to 70 kilometers an hour on lead-acid batteries, and could be commercialized based on current technologies and market demand, said Guo."

     

    http://bit.ly/LVWzD8

     

    And if you could just figure out a way to increase the life of those, ughh, cough, choke, grimace, (whisper) "lead acid batteries" .
    Nah, nah, nah, everybody knows, lead is dead.
    18 Jun 2012, 10:56 AM Reply Like
  • John Petersen
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    The green press may be falling all over itself on EVs in China, but Bernstein Research is reporting that the European automakers made big planning mistakes when they set up factories for small cars. It seems that 26% of BMW's current sales are SUVs and 34% are Series 5. Audi and Mercedes are seeing similar trends toward large cars.

     

    Overall, Bernstein is forecasting a 21% SUV share in China by 2015. It looks like the Chinese want to become more American than the Americans.
    18 Jun 2012, 11:15 AM Reply Like
  • tripleblack
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    LOL, the same western media that talks green, but drives a powerful SUV or luxury car to work, has been looking at China as though it was a mirror...

     

    And darn if they didn't finally discover they were right about something.
    18 Jun 2012, 11:27 AM Reply Like
  • Stefan Moroney
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    Did anybody participate in this? It appears both Axion and Viridity presented ... I can't get access to the pdfs though ...

     

    http://bit.ly/LrO45p
    18 Jun 2012, 11:59 AM Reply Like
  • Mayascribe
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    Stephan: I tried, too, but it appears the "event status" has passed.
    18 Jun 2012, 12:24 PM Reply Like
  • LabTech
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    I tried. It said that the information was still available to registered attendees and that you could still register at this time, however you would need to provide the requested information and pay the $249 registration fee. I looked in my wallet...and it just laughed at me.
    18 Jun 2012, 05:04 PM Reply Like
  • John Petersen
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    Mine too, but looking on the bright side I hope to get several AABC Europe presentations in the next day or two.
    18 Jun 2012, 05:13 PM Reply Like
  • Articula
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    Nice oveview article on switching our economy to natural gas.

     

    http://on.wsj.com/LWceSM
    18 Jun 2012, 12:08 PM Reply Like
  • D-inv
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    Art > http://on.wsj.com/LWceSM

     

    Gas-to-liquids plants would produce liquid transportation fuels suitable for distribution through existing infrastructure and far less new NG infrastructure would be needed to deliver NG to GTL plants than needed to upgrade regional and local distribution lines to supply NG to local distributors. The need for compression equipment would disappear as well as the added expense for NG vehicles.
    18 Jun 2012, 02:08 PM Reply Like
  • magounsq
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    Art

     

    Amazing how this build up has been over the past 3 years and now many people have an epiphany...politicians slow to react to use it at least as a bridge source.
    Too bad no battery talk in the overall report!
    19 Jun 2012, 11:16 AM Reply Like
  • Mayascribe
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    Trojan Battery Expands Distribution in [US] Western Region With the Addition of Factory Motor Parts

     

    http://yhoo.it/L92k3r

     

    ####

     

    I still see zero evidence of the 2,000,000 shares coming to the market.
    18 Jun 2012, 12:14 PM Reply Like
  • Articula
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    When would we be notified of an insider purchase? Also do we always have to be?
    18 Jun 2012, 12:17 PM Reply Like
  • iindelco
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    Here's the SEC. document on form 4 filings. It's mandatory.
    18 Jun 2012, 12:23 PM Reply Like
  • Articula
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    Thanks iindelco - I was wondering if a straight swap without the shares hitting the markets was possible? Maybe management could soak up the shares prior to them getting to us.
    18 Jun 2012, 12:26 PM Reply Like
  • iindelco
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    Welcome Articula.

     

    Anything is possible. But relative to the shares held in the shareholders trust. I'd think they'd avoid them like the plague. After what they've been through in litigation I don't think they'd wish to risk any opportunity for this to be viewed as an impropriety.
    18 Jun 2012, 12:31 PM Reply Like
  • D-inv
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    > iind - Doesn't the form 4 filing requirement only apply to those holding 5% or more of companies? I have not been looking for any Form 4 filings pertaining to Mega-C holdings since 2,000,000 shares is well under 5% of outstanding AXPW common.
    18 Jun 2012, 02:13 PM Reply Like
  • John Petersen
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    Form 4 transaction reporting requirements only apply to 10% holders, directors and principal executive officers.

     

    Holders of more than 5% are required to file quarterly or annual holdings reports on Schedule 13x, but are not required to report transactions.

     

    The shareholders trust was not subject to either requirement and neither is the Mega-C bankruptcy trustee.
    18 Jun 2012, 02:22 PM Reply Like
  • iindelco
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    Thanks for clarifying that for us.
    18 Jun 2012, 02:25 PM Reply Like
  • John Petersen
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    Sometimes it's handy having a lawyer in the neighborhood.
    18 Jun 2012, 02:32 PM Reply Like
  • iindelco
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    Should Lithium be Mined for Forklifts Too?

     

    Enersys view on lithium ion for fork trucks.

     

    http://bit.ly/KXTVJT
    18 Jun 2012, 12:55 PM Reply Like
  • John Petersen
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    In a word, NO.

     

    I have to admit loving the part that said "One of the problems for lithium ion in the lift truck battery market is cost,” he told me. “I’ve heard anything from five to seven times the cost of a flooded lead acid battery would be required to purchase a similar lithium ion.”
    18 Jun 2012, 01:19 PM Reply Like
  • iindelco
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    They served original formula 7-UP at the convention and all said "Eureka it must be good in fork lift batteries too". More UP please. ;)

     

    "7UP was created by Charles Leiper Grigg, who launched his St. Louis-based company The Howdy Corporation in 1920.[1] Grigg came up with the formula for a lemon-lime soft drink in 1929. The product, originally named "Bib-Label Lithiated Lemon-Lime Soda", was launched two weeks before the Wall Street Crash of 1929.[2] It contained lithium citrate, a mood-stabilizing drug, until 1950.[3]"

     

    http://bit.ly/MiwkHW
    18 Jun 2012, 02:23 PM Reply Like
  • John Petersen
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    If they hadn't gone and changed the formula we might have fewer people building fairy castles in the sky and trying to move in.
    18 Jun 2012, 02:25 PM Reply Like
  • LabTech
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    I remember an article about 6 months back where they talked about the issue. Their conclusion was that it didn't make sense to retrofit current forklifts with Li-ion batteries, if for no other reason than the fact that the weight of the LA batteries was used as counter-weight for the forklift. The market they said it did make sense for, was for new, smaller forklifts that were being designed for things like airports and other shipping companies where a smaller sized forklift would be an advantage.
    18 Jun 2012, 04:53 PM Reply Like
  • rgholbrook
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    Indelco & Lab Tech,

     

    Did some D.D. on this when looking at PLUG who uses hydrogen fuel cells. Thanks to this site, asked "Why were the big boys, (P&G, Walmart, Sysco, etc.) going with a small company that is bleeding red-ink and admits it needs to reduce its material costs to be an ongoing enterprise?". Two answers found were 1) in getting rid of the batteries they were using, they got rid of large charging rooms, and 2) the lead batteries used took time to charge during a shift, meaning down time in man hours. Their "Plan B" might be as simple as a willingness to pay more for the cells to ensure PLUG's survival or find a second supplier. Don't really know. But it is clear that when this many pedigreed companies were willing to take such a leap of financial faith, battery technology, both lead or lithium, is not what the industry wants for a standard.

     

    Also, how do say "Hang a pork chop on ugly baby" in Chinese?
    http://yhoo.it/M2xJ6M

     

    A certain author we know should enjoy the line "...While plans to construct charging facilities for electric vehicles would support the country's demand for a raft of base metals, including copper."
    18 Jun 2012, 10:42 PM Reply Like
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    The big next thing in forklifts is fuel cells. The big warehouses are moving away from batteries and using small fuel cell units. See Plug Power.
    18 Jun 2012, 11:11 PM Reply Like
  • iindelco
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    Audi's e-Tron becomes the first hybrid to win Le Mans, saves the planet at the same time

     

    Interesting. I know BMW was working on this years ago and quit when one of their techs got killed when they had a failure.

     

    http://engt.co/LWJTvR
    18 Jun 2012, 02:46 PM Reply Like
  • DRich
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    >zzzzzzzzzzzz .... All this automotive talk .... soooooo ... yawn .... boooorrrring.

     

    Here's something I found interesting;

     

    "Over the last five years, an important trend in the U.S. freight railroad industry has been the introduction of "GenSet" locomotives to reduce fuel consumption and air pollution. While a proven technology, widespread use of GenSet locomotives has been slow due to high capital costs compared to the older-technology locomotives that they would replace. A new GenSet locomotive is approximately six times more expensive than the cost of a traditional diesel locomotive in rebuilt condition."

     

    http://bit.ly/NKK5B0

     

    Six times more expensive .... WOW! I believe that is the first time I've seen this estimate. Compare that with NS saying that NS999 is approx the same as a rebuild. If NS can get those demonstrators out there soon Axion stands a chance of picking up another 150 switchers in either BEV or GreenGoat configuration and start rebuilding those 175 units already out there in the next 5 years. I'm guessing this could hit Axion's revenue stream ahead of autos.

     

    I do wonder if something like this might get into the competition soon. I can see it as garnering some favor with the mechanical types in lieu of batteries.

     

    http://bit.ly/MmqJOZ
    18 Jun 2012, 03:06 PM Reply Like
  • iindelco
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    Must be why NS is doing rebuilds vs new. I guess that's what happens when you need mass for traction so everything is built like a brick s--t house. You can just keep rebuilding them as long as the platform remains relevant. But I'm sure you know this

     

    http://bit.ly/MJvKiH
    18 Jun 2012, 07:19 PM Reply Like
  • DRich
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    >iindelco ... GE & EMD build the new these days. It really is hard to wearout a 2.5 in thick plate of steel. This one is nearly 50 years old.

     

    http://bit.ly/PeJyWg

     

    Looks good as new.
    18 Jun 2012, 07:26 PM Reply Like
  • iindelco
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    Yep, Strip it down. Clean it up and undercoat it. Rebush, bearings et al. Rebuild the power plant or upgrade it. Mount components, wire and plumb. Add all the new fangled electronics. Throw a new or repainted cab (optional) and enclosure. Test, certify and rock -N- roll. (oversimplified but directionally correct).

     

    You can safe a lot using the old chassis and using a second tier shop with lot's of work horses. Just keep em busy because they are expensive if you don't have something for them to chew on. Of coarse when you have all the loco's in action and you also do occasional work for others it's not so hard to keep em busy.
    18 Jun 2012, 07:58 PM Reply Like
  • Mayascribe
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    Updated May 7, 2012

     

    Below is an alphabetical list of some of the thousands of global battery manufacturers, joint ventures, distributors, and major dealers with some of their brand names, trademarks, private labels and contact information. The battery manufacturers are in bold type. Ownership, supplier contracts, branding, and contact information are subject to change.

     

    http://bit.ly/KOuKLw

     

    What I found interesting is that Axion Power was not listed in the huge global list, but "New Castle Battery Manufacturer" was.

     

    Curiosity: I checked the phone number against Axion's and it was a different number, but the same area code.

     

    Huh? Maybe this list needs to be further updated?
    18 Jun 2012, 03:30 PM Reply Like
  • Mayascribe
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    Another source listing battery companies nationwide. I checked PA, and again ran into New Castle Battery Manufacturer, which has a different street address than Clover Lane.

     

    http://bit.ly/NKPZ5i
    18 Jun 2012, 03:54 PM Reply Like
  • DRich
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    >Mayascribe ... Hard as it is to believe, no one outside of the industry (and apparently a limited subset), readers of JP and this Concentrator have ever heard of Axion. I sometimes wonder where the volumes we see, from time-to-time, come from.
    18 Jun 2012, 04:00 PM Reply Like
  • John Petersen
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    FWIW today's article has already topped 3,000 page views, which is right respectable for the first 7 hours. I think there's a lot more interest out there than is obvious to the naked eye.
    18 Jun 2012, 04:09 PM Reply Like
  • Mathieu Malecot
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    the lack of a late day capitulation into a 10k share plus order is something i'd like technical commentary on.
    18 Jun 2012, 04:16 PM Reply Like
  • growsmart
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    What I want to know is where are the killer trolls who usually land on JP's articles as soon as they are published. Most of the comments so far are halfway reasonable and civil. Maybe there is only one troll and he's on vacation.
    18 Jun 2012, 04:29 PM Reply Like
  • 481086
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    The answer is that the article didn't flag the TSLA symbol or feature the magical phrase "electric vehicles" in the title... so they all stayed snoozing under the bridge.
    18 Jun 2012, 04:36 PM Reply Like
  • John Petersen
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    In related news, scientists fear an outbreak of an epidemic known only as "Internet Tourette's."

     

    "It's a baffling disease," said Dr. Goodwrench. 'Perfectly normal people suddenly start spouting complete and utter gibberish for no apparent reason. It's clear that they, themselves, think that they are making sense, but their sentences are disjointed, logic non-existent and they seem to jump from topic to topic with no regard for context or continuity or common sense."

     

    The Centers for Disease Control are taking a long hard look at the matter. "It's a serious problem," said Israeli professor Telly Prompter. "It appears that when certain key words like 'Tesla,' 'Musk' or 'EV' are uttered, those afflicted with this debilitating ailment simply lose touch with reality and start to mindlessly ramble on and on and on about unrelated matters. It's similar to a psychotic break -- only it's a lot more boring."

     

    "There's only one known cure for Internet Tourette's," opined government guru, Manny Petty. "Step away from the keyboard and shut down your computer. Just. Step. Away."
    18 Jun 2012, 04:38 PM Reply Like
  • 481086
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    Apologies if this is old news, but once CBS starts piling on, you've got to figure there's something to the story... ;)

     

    http://bit.ly/NKU6y0
    18 Jun 2012, 04:33 PM Reply Like
  • John Petersen
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    The most intriguing line in the story was that they spent $1 million lobbying to get the grant.
    18 Jun 2012, 11:39 PM Reply Like
  • Mayascribe
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    Yeah...they probably spent twice too much.

     

    I'd love to see a list of campaign contributions, back then, and now.
    19 Jun 2012, 12:03 AM Reply Like
  • magounsq
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    ...a hell of of return on "investment"...$1million brings $249 million ...
    19 Jun 2012, 11:22 AM Reply Like
  • John Petersen
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    Too funny for words – The Spanish 10-Year Yield Middle Finger Formation from Chart of the day.

     

    http://read.bi/NKXeKm
    18 Jun 2012, 05:01 PM Reply Like
  • iindelco
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    Just watched a video interview of Bill Gross of PIMCO fame. They asked him if he would be investing in Europe given the regions wish to attract private investment.

     

    I think his dominant hand, although it was off camera, might have mimicked the yield curve you just posted. :)

     

    In all fairness, He did say that as long as the region was deleveraging he'd stay on the sidelines. Emphasized some silly thought about representing his clients and wanting his capital back.
    18 Jun 2012, 05:10 PM Reply Like
  • John Petersen
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    Don't you just hate those bond vultures who want to ensure a return of capital before they start talking about return on capital?
    18 Jun 2012, 05:14 PM Reply Like
  • tripleblack
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    Greedy capitalist.
    18 Jun 2012, 05:38 PM Reply Like
  • 481086
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    Tell that to all those former GM and Chyrsler bond(bag)holders.....
    18 Jun 2012, 05:49 PM Reply Like
  • tripleblack
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    I meant it with love and admiration, of course.
    18 Jun 2012, 06:13 PM Reply Like
  • 481086
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    Very much in your church, TB...
    18 Jun 2012, 06:34 PM Reply Like
  • Stefan Moroney
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    This would be a good limited production bmw model to start off with ...

     

    "Stepping up its game for the coming year, the limited-production 2013 BMW Alpina B7 is scheduled to arrive in showrooms here this summer boasting more of everything that makes this special-order sedan the current king of the 7 Series hill. Set to make its public debut at the Pebble Beach Concours d'Elegance in August, the subtle but effective changes make the new Alpina B7 quicker, faster and even more luxurious while retaining all of its hand-crafted character and exclusivity."

     

    "While BMW has made no mention of specific efficiency gains, the engine also is fitted with the automaker's Automatic Start/Stop technology. That feature, coupled with Valvetronic, is expected to yield a 20-25 percent improvement on the V8 in the baseline 2013 BMW 750i and a similar benefit should be realized here as well."

     

    http://bit.ly/M1Rxas
    18 Jun 2012, 05:38 PM Reply Like
  • 481086
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    Holy hipster horseless carriage Batman! 130 KiloBucks! Why for that you could almost buy TWO Tesla model S's! Doh! Double face palm!
    18 Jun 2012, 05:57 PM Reply Like
  • D-inv
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    :-) "130 KiloBucks" gets cost bragging rights though.
    18 Jun 2012, 06:42 PM Reply Like
  • iindelco
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    48, You'd think they could skip the "Limited Production" tag when they state the price. Kinda redundant. (POW) (BANG)
    18 Jun 2012, 07:13 PM Reply Like
  • Stefan Moroney
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    I found the 20-25% number interesting. I didn't think that type of improvement was possible with standard AGM.
    18 Jun 2012, 05:50 PM Reply Like
  • H. T. Love
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    Stefan: I forgot to mention the elimination of a lot of pumping losses too when the throttle plate is eliminated.

     

    This is especially potent at part-throttle settings as frequently encountered in low-speed driving and acceleration such as is common in city driving.

     

    HardToLove
    18 Jun 2012, 06:03 PM Reply Like
  • D-inv
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    :-) Article suggests 20-25% from S/S when coupled with "Valvetronic throttle-less intake technology" so clearly the proprietary "throttle-less intake technology" is what does the trick.
    18 Jun 2012, 06:46 PM Reply Like
  • H. T. Love
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    Stefan: most of it is from "coupled with Valvetronic..." Variable valve timing (and sometimes lift profiles as well) of various types are *BIG* efficiency and power enhancers.

     

    HardToLove
    18 Jun 2012, 05:55 PM Reply Like
  • Stefan Moroney
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    Have any other recent micro hybrid models included brake energy regeneration as well?

     

    http://bit.ly/LXho0Z
    18 Jun 2012, 05:56 PM Reply Like
  • H. T. Love
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    That link gave me an "OOPS" message Stefan!

     

    HardToLove
    18 Jun 2012, 05:59 PM Reply Like
  • Stefan Moroney
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    hmm, the title is

     

    "Bmw to soon launch its sixth generation 3 series in India"
    18 Jun 2012, 06:02 PM Reply Like
  • H. T. Love
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    Good. Here's the link I got - I tested and it gave me the OOPS too. I tried several things. Here's one last try. It works - a "tinyurl.com" entry. SA stikes us again!

     

    http://tinyurl.com/cyp...

     

    HardToLove
    18 Jun 2012, 06:37 PM Reply Like
  • H. T. Love
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    Add these thoughts to A123's (AONE) woes that JP has detailed already. Interesting comments too, representing a range of folks.

     

    "A123 System's New Battery Won't Stave Off Bankruptcy"

     

    http://seekingalpha.co...

     

    HardToLove
    18 Jun 2012, 05:57 PM Reply Like
  • bangwhiz
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    WTB PM'd me late last week about the "ALL APC Comments" custom search engine from google not producing any results on a search term. I checked and it wasn't producing any results. I reconfigured the way it worked by using a URL pattern versus manually entering the url's for each concentratror. A sample pattern is the first part of all Axion Power Host Concentrators URLs through the number 1631091 which you can see in the URL above. The pattern for all APC's when Maya ran them was the same except it had different common number than "1631091".

     

    That produced reasonable but not complete results and made the search engine include all the individual APC's without having to enter all the individual URL's For instance, when he searched on a term he used in APC 114 and it didnot find the term in APC 114. It did find the same search term in a number of other concentrators, but again not all. Unfortunately this is a Google issue. They have quotas on how many reindexes they will do including updates. Then I discovered why so many re-indexes were being triggered.

     

    There is an unfortunate feature within all the APC concentratror's web page structure. Near the right hand top it displays the most recent comments. This section is updated as new comments are made. Tecnically, if a Google spider checks for page changes EVERY APC instablog is constantly changing. Pretty soon Google says to hell with it and stops indexing. It creates a zillion pages in their indexes of all the APCs where the only difference is the "most recent comments."

     

    I tried to decide if there was anything I could do to prevent this, but there isn't anything. That's unfortunate, but there is nothing I or we can do about it. I posted this to give all a "heads up" and thanks to WTB for pointing out the issue to me. It is still a useful search tool but not up to the quality I expected.
    18 Jun 2012, 10:34 PM Reply Like
  • Mathieu Malecot
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    maybe open the next concentrator early and refrain from commenting except to trick the spider. once you find a concentrator you find them all.
    18 Jun 2012, 10:44 PM Reply Like
  • bangwhiz
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    Can't trick google spiders. They should reindex as the page length increases as there is new content. The problem is after a concentrator is closed the content still keeps changing because when the spider requests the page when crawling SA the old concentrators have also changed because of new comments posted 50 concentrators afterwards
    18 Jun 2012, 11:48 PM Reply Like
  • metroneanderthal
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    Don't remember this being posted from the Rosewater site about drill rig applications.
    http://bit.ly/LyumBP

     

    and utilities:
    http://bit.ly/M9KHMm

     

    nothing residential yet.

     

    both are located under "Industries Served" and then "Presentation"
    19 Jun 2012, 04:25 AM Reply Like
  • H. T. Love
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    (AXPW): 6/18/2012 EOD stuff.
    # Trds: 23, MinTrSz: 100, MaxTrSz: 10000, Vol 79382, AvTrSz: 3451
    Min. Pr: 0.3052, Max Pr: 0.3449, VW Avg. Trade Pr: 0.3356
    # Buys, Shares: 17 53771, VW Avg Buy Pr: 0.3385
    # Sells, Shares: 6 25611, VW Avg Sell Pr: 0.3295
    # Unkn, Shares: 0 0, VW Avg Unk. Pr: 0.0000
    Buy:Sell 2.10:1, DlyShts 5000, 6.3%

     

    Watch out for sideways or downward price movement. Last three times daily short percentage was down in this range in this down trend we had sideways or downward price movement. I suspect this is because the market-maker(s) already have shares in hand, either shares backing prior sell orders entering or shares placed at owning brokers, at a low price and can sell at lower prices and still profit.

     

    However, going back one more occurrence, when we were at elevated prices (low/mid $0.4x early April) coming off an uptrend, we did up and sideways for a few weeks (see chart in my instablog). That period was characterized by (what appears to be) more stable trade sizes, on average, and more stable buy:sell ratios. Daily short sales were also more stable, albeit declining slowly.

     

    Our current situation includes highly unstable average trade sizes, buy:sell ratios and daily short sales percentages. It has broken the pattern of the prior huge daily short in both average trade size volatility and the price action. So I don't look for relief any more from similar behavior.

     

    Having said all that ...

     

    We hit an apparent bottom in VWAP, in conjunction with an absolutely horrid buy:sell ratio, and have two consecutive days with VWAP rising and buy:sell gravitating towards "normal", although it is still very volatile these last few days.

     

    Ignoring the knowledge that Quercus has filed a new Form 144 and that we suspect the Mega-C trustee may have 2M shares to unload ...

     

    On the more-traditional TA front we had a relative "volume spike", often indicating a trend end, 6/12. This at the same time as price bounced off *two* trend support lines, one flat and one rising. Subsequent days demonstrated volatility in many respects, suggesting a change is in the offing. We also penetrated and closed above a medium-term falling resistance and are now pushing hard against a very short-term falling resistance at ~$0.345.

     

    But with volume falling off, I have to call it near-term consolidation ATM with no ability to have confidence that a trend in either direction is about to "bust out all over".

     

    This is reinforced by the oscillators I watch being mixed - a couple showing early signs of moving towards bullish but most neutral ATM.

     

    My feeling is slightly bullish with another attempt to move towards that almighty $0.37 again, just like we did last time I had this feeling (*IIRC*) and we hit $0.38 5/29 (spent the week around that day hammering just below $0.37) before falling back again.

     

    As always, we need to see some stability with a grind up, IMO, to bring confidence to folks that might be considering long position entry or additions.

     

    Experimental, n00b, as always, MHO
    HardToLove
    19 Jun 2012, 07:14 AM Reply Like
  • iindelco
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    Why do I keep thinking that if I was driving this test vehicle every time I stopped and got out I'd have the uncontrollable urge to announce "Take me to your leader".

     

    http://bit.ly/LBUj1P#!
    19 Jun 2012, 11:26 AM Reply Like
  • D Lane
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    Ballard fuel cells displacing lead acid batteries in some applications? Article from The Globe and Mail:

     

    http://bit.ly/MmEKOx
    19 Jun 2012, 11:43 AM Reply Like
  • iindelco
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    D Lane, I recall this announcement concerning a locally owned private grocer re: fuel cell pallet trucks. Might make a lot of sense for ultra low temp warehouses.

     

    http://bit.ly/NeDfm0
    19 Jun 2012, 11:50 AM Reply Like
  • wtblanchard
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    "Demand response battle heads to court – utility groups oppose FERC order
    Jun 19, 2012"

     

    Order 745.

     

    http://bit.ly/LBY1Zo

     

    Note this is demand response, not frequency response which is more related to Order 755.

     

    Speaking of 755, here's I think the latest (June 15) PJM presentation on that:
    http://bit.ly/MDp5dq

     

    (actual link, will probably be trashed, but for the record, here it is:

     

    http://pjm.com~/media/committees-gro...

     

    )
    19 Jun 2012, 12:07 PM Reply Like
  • wtblanchard
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    "Army plans to begin four 'utility-scale' renewable energy projects this year 6/13/12

     

    The Army plans to take acquisition actions on its first four "utility-scale" renewable power facilities within the next few months, taking spare land on its installations throughout the U.S. and using it to generate power that will make the bases more energy independent, officials said Tuesday.

     

    The schedule is subject to change, but if all goes as planned, the Army will make acquisition decisions for all four large solar installations by this October. The sites are at Fort Detrick, Md., Fort Bliss, Texas, Fort Irwin, Calif., and U.S. Army Garrison-Hawaii.

     

    "When completed, these projects are going to represent over 100 megawatts of power, moving the Army 10 percent toward its one gigawatt goal," said John Lushetsky, executive director of the Army Energy Initiatives Task Force (EITF)."

     

    http://bit.ly/MDqLU4
    19 Jun 2012, 12:14 PM Reply Like
  • iindelco
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    Can't verify but "Old .35er" sure smells like someone from the last pp.
    19 Jun 2012, 12:22 PM Reply Like
  • Mr Investor
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    EGRO, one of the placement agents for the last couple of issuances, has been parked at 35 cents for a couple weeks. Maybe we'll find out how many shares want to get out at breakeven.

     

    The 2mil BK shares are sure taking a long time to get to mkt.
    19 Jun 2012, 12:47 PM Reply Like
  • H. T. Love
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    Santelli & Pat Moore, founder of Greenpeace.

     

    JP ought to be able to use this somewhere.

     

    http://bit.ly/LC1erK

     

    HardToLove
    19 Jun 2012, 12:44 PM Reply Like
  • LabTech
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    HTL,
    Now why would they want a scientist in the room telling them silly things like facts when they can just make them up to meet their own agendas?
    19 Jun 2012, 02:13 PM Reply Like
  • H. T. Love
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    Exactly. I recently read (and linked to?) a piece that claimed the switch in stance by Greenpeace et al was because they were afraid the low NG prices would scuttle their cherished solar and wind generation goals.

     

    I wouldn't be surprised, but I don't know of course.

     

    HardToLove
    19 Jun 2012, 02:25 PM Reply Like
  • John Petersen
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    Vinod Khosla loves reminding wind and solar types that their competition is NG, which is both cheaper and a lot more reliable.
    19 Jun 2012, 02:58 PM Reply Like
  • wtblanchard
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    I wonder if our very recent relative strength is related to "enough" folks betting on some annual meeting good news announcement.

     

    If so, and their isn't any (which would be my bet) then we might tail off nearer back to where we were. Not "dissing," just talking about the odds, and the consideration that we mainly deal with "Big Boys" that tell us what and when we can announce news.

     

    Speaking of the meeting, can someone tell me how long is likely allowed for questions? I know there are certain official things that have to happen, and of course some prepared remarks, but I don't have a good feel for the rest of the mechanics or the total time likely to be allocated.
    19 Jun 2012, 01:06 PM Reply Like
  • John Petersen
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    The formalities generally take about 20 minutes to a half hour. From there it's all in management's hands. The nice thing about stockholders meetings is they're a great place to lay out a vision for the short-, medium- and perhaps long-term without getting into the ugly risks of guidance. There are also opportunities for one-on-one conversations that are often quite informative. I'll be very interested in hearing what the people who attend have to report.
    19 Jun 2012, 01:17 PM Reply Like
  • Mr Investor
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    I hope folks aren't buying thinking there will be news at the mtg. Those bets haven't paid off recently.

     

    The selling pressure we had is currently gone. That's my guess for the reason that we're up the past few days. When the sellers are gone, we seem to bounce up rather quickly. Unfortunately the sellers have always returned since I've been following the stock. Eventually, they'll be done. Eventually.
    19 Jun 2012, 01:38 PM Reply Like
  • metroneanderthal
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    I think the .35er - as iindelco pointed out - will sell you about as much stock as you would wish to purchase. IMHO.
    19 Jun 2012, 02:36 PM Reply Like
  • John Petersen
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    I'm not sure that big news is what people need at this point. What they need is a vision that lays out the goals management is trying to achieve. Vision is hard to communicate in a conference call. It's much easier in a stockholders meeting. My spider senses have been tickling for the last month about the possibility we were getting close to the bottom of the willing sellers barrel. The sense got strong enough that I went so far as to suggest the possibility of a buying syndicate and start some back-channel inquiries. The tingling has not gone away.
    19 Jun 2012, 03:03 PM Reply Like
  • carlosgaviria
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    That is correct.
    Look and feel that managers know where to go and they are doing things right, the above results in satisfaction and tranquility.
    Have a nice day.
    Carlos.
    19 Jun 2012, 03:24 PM Reply Like
  • Mr Investor
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    Wouldn't surprise me to see another round down from 35 cents, as the 2mil BK shares hit, and the direct placement "breakeveners" provide a lot of resistance at .35.

     

    Certainly hope a lot of demand overcomes those things, and more, of course.
    19 Jun 2012, 03:34 PM Reply Like
  • rgholbrook
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    Mr. I - Maybe the same thinking accounts for absent sellers: "Don't want to sell now in case something big pops out at meeting"?
    19 Jun 2012, 09:57 PM Reply Like
  • 481086
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    http://bit.ly/LiUylz

     

    well here's a nice sugar-coated bit of cold truth...
    19 Jun 2012, 02:45 PM Reply Like
  • John Petersen
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    Imagine the impact on Tesla's stock price of a headline that says "Romney Wins"
    19 Jun 2012, 03:05 PM Reply Like
  • DRich
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    >JP ... I can't see that headline making any difference. True believers may not even notice. The subsidy (which I should remind all was the brainchild of Dick Cheney) should continue ... just not mentioned. Much as I suspect we will not hear the word "debt" either.
    19 Jun 2012, 03:21 PM Reply Like
  • H. T. Love
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    Golly DRich, "the brainchild of Dick Cheney".

     

    Do you have to blame Reps for folks that shoot their friends too! ;-))

     

    HardToLove
    19 Jun 2012, 03:42 PM Reply Like
  • tripleblack
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    DC was a very poor Republicrat, of course...

     

    Couldn't even bag a lawyer at close range with a shotgun on a baited field.
    19 Jun 2012, 03:52 PM Reply Like
  • DRich
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    >H.T.Love ... Nah! I don't really care. Actually fit the picture. Another choice trivia question might be: Who is the father of the modern electric car? The winning answer would go to whoever guessed R.Reagan for signing the law that brought us C.A.R.B.

     

    People need to remember how little will change in spite of outcomes and government will continue to work near 90% efficient for those that matter.
    19 Jun 2012, 03:54 PM Reply Like
  • John Petersen
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    C'mon DRich, even for those that matter government is nowhere near 90% efficient.
    19 Jun 2012, 03:56 PM Reply Like
  • DRich
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    >JP ... Well, maybe I exaggerate a little ... but that is probably because from my vantage point, down here around 0%, the trickle gets in my eyes.
    19 Jun 2012, 04:00 PM Reply Like
  • iindelco
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    But if the government kicks in more money the total cost will come down. Just like education, health care, military costs, welfare, infrastructure costs.........

     

    http://bit.ly/L1O5qR

     

    ITF analysis finds that societal costs for electric cars and vans range from €7K to €12K more than fossil-fueled equivalents

     

    http://bit.ly/MnocWt
    19 Jun 2012, 03:05 PM Reply Like
  • D Lane
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    >iindelco
    Thanks, love the electric car link. (ITF analysis)

     

    Whats most exciting about electric cars to me is the following:
    "In ITF’s analysis, electric passenger cars under typical use scenarios emit about 20 tonnes less CO2 than their closest fossil-fueled equivalents, translating into a societal cost of around €500 to €700 per tonne of CO2 avoided"

     

    I was excited to see a Mitsubishi MIEV charging by my bus stop this morning! Of course I ride the bus because it does not cost me extra but rather saves me money to reduce my carbon footprint in that way. Plus, the bike ride to catch the bus improves my health while sitting (in a car) is bad for me.

     

    The report does a good job of pointing out that an electric car is not an apples to apples replacement for an ICE-it has different strengths and saves money mostly only for those who travel the most and can cycle the battery frequently.

     

    http://onforb.es/HWRJ9h
    19 Jun 2012, 03:36 PM Reply Like
  • John Petersen
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    The ITF Policy Brief (4 pages) is here - http://bit.ly/KxJGRu

     

    The full OCED paper (40 pages) is here - http://bit.ly/L1TNJg
    19 Jun 2012, 03:38 PM Reply Like
  • iindelco
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    ".....and saves money mostly only for those who travel the most and can cycle the battery frequently."

     

    D Lane, Just makes sense. If you're buying a machine that uses less energy but costs more you'd want to put the more energy efficient machine in a place where the utilization rate is the highest all other things being equal.
    19 Jun 2012, 04:02 PM Reply Like
  • Tim Enright
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    I think I missed something. Why are we assuming the 2m Mega-C shares will be sold? Must they be liquidated and who are the recipients?
    19 Jun 2012, 04:04 PM Reply Like
  • John Petersen
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    A couple weeks ago the Bankruptcy Court ordered that the shares be surrendered to the Bankruptcy Trustee who plans to sell them to pay administrative costs (i.e. the trustee's law firm).
    19 Jun 2012, 04:21 PM Reply Like
  • Tim Enright
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    Thanks John. Thought it might be legal fee's (darn lawyers!) but was also thinking the trustees might want a piece of the current action and at an attractive price (assuming the lawyers didn't get it all). Are the trustees the original stockholders or owners?
    19 Jun 2012, 04:35 PM Reply Like
  • Mayascribe
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    If the court did not order the trustee(s) to sell the shares, I still believe there's a chance the trustee would hang on to them.

     

    IIRC, Joe Picarelli was a trustee. Why would he sell these cheap shares that he received for basically services rendered, especially when he is one of the people who not only believes strongly in the PbC, but also has as good an idea as anyone outside of New Castle as to what/whom/the markets, sectors, etc, Axion Power will be eventually selling to?

     

    If the court did not order the shares to be sold, then there should be no impropriety toward any trustee electing to keep the shares.

     

    ####

     

    Hopefully, what I wrote above conveys some sensibility. Just home from getting twice as much endodonic surgery as I expected when I walked into the office. Which cost me twice as much.

     

    Ice on then off every ten minutes for the next six hours...and I hate painkillers, but they will be shortly taking effect.

     

    I WILL still be making the meeting, but that Crown Rack of Lamb will not be on my menu at the Wooden Angel; docs orders. Rats!
    19 Jun 2012, 04:46 PM Reply Like
  • John Petersen
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    Joe Pic was the trustee of a separate shareholders trust we created in 2003 to provide a decent recovery for the innocent investors who got burned in the Mega-C scam.

     

    The Bankruptcy Court ordered Joe Pic to turn the last 2 million shares over to a Las Vegas law firm that's been acting as the Bankruptcy Trustee for the Chapter 11 case and wants cash to pay the costs of the Chapter 11, which are primarily fees due to the law firm.

     

    If Joe Pic was making the decision, there'd be no worries. Those $%@#& lawyers in Las Vegas are another story altogether.

     

    Before you ask, they're not on my Christmas Card list.
    19 Jun 2012, 05:05 PM Reply Like
  • Mayascribe
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    Also, I would like to hear from you accountants.

     

    At what price were those shares originally purchased? Certainly far higher than what they are going for today. If the trustee(s) elect to keep those shares based on the premise above, they then could hold on to those shares, hope for a share price increase, and still get a handy tax write off toward year's end.

     

    Talk about a win/win scenario....
    19 Jun 2012, 05:08 PM Reply Like
  • Mayascribe
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    There is no absolute certainty that the Las Vegas lawyers would sell the shares to recoup fees and expenses. Certainly, they have done their homework about who Axion Power is, what they are making, and the incredible upside Axion has.

     

    Law firms love owning companies, stocks, etc., with the upside potential Axion holds. Certainly they know about the June 21 SC. Certainly, they know about Norfolk, BMW potential, along with Ford, GM, and other European OEMs, as well as the Navy, and maybe on Thursday, we'll learn about the Army buying some PbCs, too.

     

    I suspect that is why we haven't yet seen evidence of liquidation. Maybe, we will see some post June 21. But if we don't, then we can assume those shares have become clenched in a fist like most of us Axionistas.

     

    (A cheeky-cold idea!)
    19 Jun 2012, 05:24 PM Reply Like
  • John Petersen
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    Anything is possible Mayascribe, particularly since I'm certain that we can count on the Las Vegas lawyers to act in their own best interest, but they've never struck me as investor types.
    19 Jun 2012, 05:40 PM Reply Like
  • Mayascribe
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    A lot may hinge on what the share basis price is, the original purchase value, or the value when the shares were transferred.
    19 Jun 2012, 06:00 PM Reply Like
  • John Petersen
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    None of that matters in Bankruptcy Court.
    19 Jun 2012, 06:06 PM Reply Like
  • Rick Krementz
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    I can't imagine they would hold the shares. Cash now, or ...... Naw, they want to move on to the next case, not have any potential conflicts, etc. Lawyers' "legal ethics" often seem strange (oxymoronic?), but they want their hands clean. What if their next client was related to A123 or Exide or JCI or ... a class action suit suing for lead poisoning or .... or GM employees hurt by the battery explosion.

     

    No, they are out as soon as possible. Good riddance.
    19 Jun 2012, 07:07 PM Reply Like
  • Mr Investor
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    My experience with acct transfers was they took about 5-10 biz days if they were brokerage firm to brokerage firm. Lots of ways it could get delayed. If there's not a broker-dealer on each end, for example. I've seen some transfers take a month or more. With everyone getting itchy during the wait.

     

    Funny about the law firm. Companies HQ'd in NV are a red flag to a lot of investors. My old partner wouldn't invest in any stock HQ'd there. Sometimes applied to Boca Raton, too.
    19 Jun 2012, 07:32 PM Reply Like
  • Tim Enright
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    Well, it started off as a happy thought (lawyers!) <smile>...
    19 Jun 2012, 08:23 PM Reply Like
  • Mayascribe
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    Arrgh. I was merely presenting a case of why those 2,000,000 shares just may not come up for sale.

     

    The scenarios all of you present still are not convincing. What court in our land would state that there is inpropriety, or a conflict of interest if the Vegas law firm decided to hold onto the shares because the partners thought it was a good investment; maybe a 1000% return, rather than dumping them quickly, and therefore lowering the potential gain. They must know 2,000,000 shares dumped quickly will reduce their profit. They must know the daily trading volume. Exactly what is the downside of them holding on for a while? 10%? 20%? Versus a potential 500% or a 1000% in a year or two?

     

    That's potentially $6,000,000 dollars versus about $600,000 or $700,000 today!

     

    Lawyers are lawyers, and they not only look after themselves, but also the partnership's bottom line. Further, it's highly doubtful some Vegas law firm is retained by any of the major battery makers.

     

    Hell, maybe as many as six investors, all lawyers, are Axion Power share owners because of me and my predilections.

     

    I've never met a lawyer who didn't enjoy a good game of gambling, poker, on the golf course, race tracks, and most important, the market. Good lawyers are fantastic at risk evaluation.

     

    You guys may be right. But so I might be as well.
    19 Jun 2012, 10:49 PM Reply Like
  • LabTech
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    Thanks for clearing this up John. Good to know it's not Pic who is throwing the Axion stock away, along with the Mega-C investors.
    19 Jun 2012, 10:51 PM Reply Like
  • metroneanderthal
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    My feeling is they take the cash and run, although Maya's theory could prove otherwise, or perhaps one of the partners would take it as individual payment, or bonus. Could be some tax incentives there.
    19 Jun 2012, 11:25 PM Reply Like
  • Rick Krementz
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    Maya, the lawyers may not likely be retained by a major battery company, but would be interested as plaintiff's counsel suing one of the majors...

     

    The lawyer fees are denominated in dollars, not shares. They do not care if everybody else loses, they still get their their fees. The do not care about the value of the stock; they have no incentive to maximise the stock price. If the investors they are "representing" get screwed, so what?
    19 Jun 2012, 11:36 PM Reply Like
  • John Petersen
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    Pic fought tooth and nail to hold onto that stock for the benefit of the old Mega-C shareholders and he came within a hair's breadth of being cited for contempt of court. We got beat on this one. There was no surrender.
    20 Jun 2012, 01:20 AM Reply Like
  • Mathieu Malecot
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    Maya, you are giving the Vegas guys to much credit. You could be right, but in my experience short sighted selfish behavior is the traditional mode of human operation.
    20 Jun 2012, 09:01 AM Reply Like
  • tripleblack
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    Regardless of the ethics involved, it would be prudent for us to set aside a little dry powder should these cats get stupid dumping their shares.
    20 Jun 2012, 09:42 AM Reply Like
  • jveal
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    Axion's web site now has a link to the Railway Age article under Axion in the News.
    19 Jun 2012, 05:09 PM Reply Like
  • John Petersen
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    I just got an e-mail from Axion Investor Relations with a link to a pretty reprint of the new Railway Age article on Axion and NS.

     

    http://bit.ly/Ld7H1D
    19 Jun 2012, 05:11 PM Reply Like
  • iindelco
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    I respectfully withdraw my complaint. Point well taken. I was wrong.
    19 Jun 2012, 06:11 PM Reply Like
  • iindelco
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    They should update this site with the latest picture of the power cube or the You Tube video.

     

    http://bit.ly/Md3CWC
    19 Jun 2012, 06:39 PM Reply Like
  • metroneanderthal
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    yes, but the white PbC battery looks very elegant in one of those pictures.
    19 Jun 2012, 11:28 PM Reply Like
  • Mr Investor
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    OT:

     

    XIDE had a big move today--up 25 cents on 1.5x aver vol. Congrats to those who bought in the 2's.
    19 Jun 2012, 07:57 PM Reply Like
  • John Petersen
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    Exide looks it's trying to set up for a run. The 10- and 20-day averages have moved up through the 50 and are closing in on the 200-day VWMA which presently sits at $3.21. If we get to that golden cross it could be a pretty easy double or triple. More soon.
    20 Jun 2012, 01:27 AM Reply Like
  • Articula
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    Volume seems to be picking up on Axion as well. Interesting to see.
    19 Jun 2012, 08:03 PM Reply Like
  • LabTech
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    I still worry that it's investors looking for a pop from the shareholder's meeting tomorrow. We've seen this before the last two CCs and then dumping afterwards. Hopefully history will not repeat itself.
    20 Jun 2012, 09:52 AM Reply Like
  • iindelco
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    At least they give some target pricing.

     

    Israeli firm unveils "smart" power storage system

     

    http://reut.rs/PnFymv
    19 Jun 2012, 08:10 PM Reply Like
  • metroneanderthal
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    " 6.7 kilowatt-hour unit, which is about half the size of a refrigerator, can supplement energy to a house for a few hours each charge" cost is $25,000.

     

    Am anxious to see specs and price point of residential PbC.

     

    The same size unit for PbC would be +-8 batteries if operating PSOC?

     

    If the price of the batteries would be $500 each (WAG as smaller order than NS) Then that would be $4,000 for batteries, plus electronics. What might be the price of electronics?

     

    Given a nice margin of profit for Rosewater and Axion, (not sure if Axion makes profit on more than batteries if Rosewater is assembling - but not sure about details here), could the RPbC come in at under $25,000?
    19 Jun 2012, 10:43 PM Reply Like
  • Rick Krementz
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    Specs on group 27 PbC batteries is about 0.5 kwhr each, so 13 or 14 batteries would be required.

     

    As a reference point, Outback Power Systems make high quality inverter systems about this size for about $2-4000 at retail. Add in another $1000 for cabling, racks, and ventilation. I guess 5 hours of assembly labor. Installation, transportation, taxes, permits ignored.

     

    (14*500) + 4000 + 1000 + (5*50) is c. $12,000.

     

    Looks like a potentially profitable opportunity
    19 Jun 2012, 11:05 PM Reply Like
  • metroneanderthal
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    Thanks much Rick.
    19 Jun 2012, 11:15 PM Reply Like
  • siliconhillbilly
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    Makes a Power Cube look cheap in comparison.
    20 Jun 2012, 02:55 AM Reply Like
  • Stefan Moroney
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    Write up on Start-Stop from a small fund that owns Axion

     

    http://bit.ly/Hvy7nz
    19 Jun 2012, 09:20 PM Reply Like
  • metroneanderthal
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    Stefan,
    Nice to see Axion get such a positive write-up.
    Interesting that they would write that "supercapacitors combined with advanced lead acid batteries work well,......"

     

    but they consider it a too high cost option. Also interesting that they believe an AGM battery may be sufficient for lightest of micro-hybrids.

     

    "AGM batteries provide up to 10 times the power of conventional batteries at a cost of a few hundred dollars more." Not sure how this is measured or true?

     

    "Elegant" when describing the PbC design. Agree, black can be very chic when accessorized with an alternator and water pump. However, I would be happy with exorcist green as long as it works and we get sales. ;)
    19 Jun 2012, 11:03 PM Reply Like
  • Mayascribe
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    Sweet find, Stephan.

     

    Hopefully, they will be represented at the SC.
    19 Jun 2012, 11:06 PM Reply Like
  • metroneanderthal
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    So, does Earthrise Capital know something that Blackrock doesn't know that perhaps we don't know, or do we know what Earthrise Capital knows that Blackrock doesn't know, or perhaps only Earthrise Capital knows, perhaps it Blackrock knows what neither Earthrise Capital or we know? It's all too confusing for a neanderthal, so I'll just hold on to my shares.
    20 Jun 2012, 07:37 AM Reply Like
  • Occam's_Razor
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    Metro: All I know is I know nothing.
    20 Jun 2012, 06:00 PM Reply Like
  • iindelco
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    http://bit.ly/MjQcec

     

    :)
    20 Jun 2012, 06:23 PM Reply Like
  • H. T. Love
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    OR: OK. Let's see you logic your way out of the conundrum you have presented! :-))

     

    HardToLove
    21 Jun 2012, 08:03 AM Reply Like
  • iindelco
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    Hmmmm. I had checked the URL after posting and it worked. It was a WAV (audio) file for Sergeant Schultz from Hogan's Heros saying "I know nothing". Now it's changed to some sales site.

     

    Must be some new way to push/force content?
    21 Jun 2012, 08:24 AM Reply Like
  • Occam's_Razor
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    Thanks iindelco, that makes sense. For a moment I thought that was some secret code I was unaware of between Axionistas!
    22 Jun 2012, 03:34 AM Reply Like
  • John Petersen
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    You don't get to learn about the secret codes until Maya shows up at your door with the Axionista tin foil fez.
    22 Jun 2012, 03:46 AM Reply Like
  • Occam's_Razor
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    darn....
    22 Jun 2012, 04:18 AM Reply Like
  • metroneanderthal
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    I thought the humor was above my head when the link was to Amazon - or as iindelco calls it "some sales site".
    22 Jun 2012, 06:23 AM Reply Like
  • LabTech
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    Stefan,
    They've owned Axion for awhile now. We've seen these reports at least once a year for the last couple of years. Good to see they haven't given up on the company yet.
    19 Jun 2012, 10:48 PM Reply Like
  • Stefan Moroney
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    Thanks, Labtech. I thought so ... Between work, investing activities and sports info, I probably forget more information than I learn, lol.
    19 Jun 2012, 10:57 PM Reply Like
  • H. T. Love
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    (AXPW): 6/19 EOD
    # Trds: 71, MinTrSz: 100, MaxTrSz: 18400, Vol 304080, AvTrSz: 4283
    Min. Pr: 0.3300, Max Pr: 0.3500, VW Avg. Trade Pr: 0.3479
    # Buys, Shares: 55 231050,VW Avg Buy Pr: 0.3486
    # Sells, Shares: 16 73030, VW Avg Sell Pr: 0.3457
    # Unkn, Shares: 0 0, VW Avg Unk. Pr: 0.0000
    Buy:Sell 3.16:1, DlyShts 159006, 52.3%

     

    First I want to note that the average trade size is likely much larger than indicated as there were several occurrences of multiple trades in the same second at the same price, or in adjacent seconds at the same price, that I would judge as a single bid or offer entered that the market-maker needed multiple steps to fill (supported because they totaled up to "round numbers" too). With a conservative cursory consolidation of these (only considered trades in the same *reported* second), we'd have 5,154 as the average, 20% larger. Of course, there were others largely more fragmented time-wise that I wouldn't recognize.

     

    The *unadjusted* 10, 25 and 50 day averages are 5326, 5475, 5212 respectively. Even the unadjusted 4283 for today is pretty much smack in the "normal" range.

     

    Volume was well above the 10, 25 and 50-day averages of 226K, 262K and 277K respectively. The 10-day average volume is starting to make a run at crossing above the 25-day average, although it's still very choppy and we can't rely on a continued ramp up yet. But it is within spitting distance.

     

    Buy:sell (76%) still holding strongly to the bullish side, exceeding averages for those same intervals of 56%, 53% 50% respectively.

     

    Note that daily short sales are up again - just like last time we got in this price range around 6/6.

     

    I've got to put my "similar to 5/19" scenario back on the table after looking at my experimental charts. Although there's a little difference in the intervals, the patterns are remarkably similar, including such things as a second "spike", to a lesser degree in both cases, in daily short sales.

     

    Further, the 10-day average short sales percentage is apparently shortly going to be below the 25-day average, just as it was shortly following the 5/19 short sales spike.

     

    I don't believe we'll see the low-$0.4x area yet on this leg up - we know we have folks dumping at $0.35 and we are starting from a lower price level. But if this is the cycle during which we exhaust the last of those shares, we could move further than I think.

     

    On the traditional TA front, we closed right at that very short-term descending resistance on relatively good volume. If we can close above $0.35 with continued improvement in volume we would normally proceed to $0.37 without much trouble. The "flippers" at $0.35 are the fly in the ointment for now.

     

    Most of the oscillators I watch are still neutral but a couple are strongly bullish. None are suggesting a bearish move ATM. The overall configuration is still one of too early to say a trend is in place.

     

    With known resistance points every two or three pennies I guess we shouldn't be surprised at this.

     

    HardToLove
    20 Jun 2012, 08:02 AM Reply Like
  • iindelco
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    Not sure when this from. I hate when people don't date their documents.

     

    "Electrochemical energy storage systems of the future"

     

    http://bit.ly/Ps3IfB
    20 Jun 2012, 09:48 AM Reply Like
  • LabTech
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    This was a really good synopsis of the various battery technologies, where they stand in production, and their different applications. There's not much here that we don't already know, but for someone just getting into the battery investment market, this would be a great read.
    20 Jun 2012, 10:19 AM Reply Like
  • John Petersen
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    I think it's a very good discussion and well balanced.
    20 Jun 2012, 10:46 AM Reply Like
  • iindelco
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    I posted it mostly because it mentions the hybrid lead carbon batteries with some wording concerning relevance. Some people in the industry and investment community are watching.

     

    We're not on Gilligan's Island. People know we're here. Sometimes it's hard to remember that because, as has been discussed a million times, it takes forever to advance electrochemical devices and to validate them for deployment.

     

    A candidate for the Axion theme song. :)

     

    http://bit.ly/NiTX3G
    20 Jun 2012, 10:47 AM Reply Like
  • John Petersen
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    I always preferred this one - http://bit.ly/Mr5s8D

     

    Movie may have been a bit lame but I love the song.
    20 Jun 2012, 11:01 AM Reply Like
  • Axion Power Host
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    Author’s reply » New Concentrator with a link to Railway Age's Article on Norfolk Southern's rebuild of their 100% electric switcher with PbC batteries .

     

    http://bit.ly/Kz00RZ
    20 Jun 2012, 09:50 AM Reply Like
  • DRich
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    >iindelco ... the page says it was last modified (put on the web is usually what this means but sometimes date of origin) 6 Oct 2011. 0700 PM.
    20 Jun 2012, 09:52 AM Reply Like
  • iindelco
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    DRich, Thanks. I'll have to remember that.
    20 Jun 2012, 10:11 AM Reply Like
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