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Al Gore could become world's first carbon billionaire Al Gore, the former US vice president, could become the world's first carbon billionaire after investing heavily in green energy companies.
Published: 7:00AM GMT 03 Nov 2009
Al Gore: Al Gore could become world's first carbon billionairePhoto: AP
Last year Mr Gore's venture capital firm loaned a small California firm $75m to develop energy-saving technology.
The company, Silver Spring Networks, produces hardware and software to make the electricity grid more efficient.
The deal appeared to pay off in a big way last week, when the Energy Department announced $3.4 billion in smart grid grants, the New York Times reports. Of the total, more than $560 million went to utilities with which Silver Spring has contracts.
The move means that venture capital company Kleiner Perkins and its partners, including Mr Gore, could recoup their investment many times over in coming years.
Few people have been as vocal about the urgency of global warming and the need to reinvent the way the world produces and consumes energy as Mr Gore. And few have put as much money behind their advocacy and are as well positioned to profit from this green transformation, if and when it comes.
Critics, mostly on the political right and among global warming sceptics, say Mr. Gore is poised to become the world's first "carbon billionaire," profiteering from government policies he supports that would direct billions of dollars to the business ventures he has invested in.
Representative Marsha Blackburn, Republican of Tennessee, has claimed that Mr Gore stood to benefit personally from the energy and climate policies he was urging Congress to adopt.
Mr Gore had said that he is simply putting his money where his mouth is.
"Do you think there is something wrong with being active in business in this country?" Mr. Gore said. "I am proud of it. I am proud of it."
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That's all we need! Another George Soros type liberal with deep pockets to support the liberal agenda. Wait a minute! Aren't we about to raise taxes on the rich? Must be able to buy carbon tax credits at a discount. Why weren't we all told? Just kidding about the credits (a little, anyway). I hope his investments creates jobs. I would never deny anyone the right to profit from making good investment decisions, no matter what their political leaning. That is America! I just hope it stays that way.
< "I would never deny anyone the right to profit from making good investment decisions, no matter what their political leaning.">
But here's the part of the article that points to influence peddling rather than good investment decisions:
<"Mr. Gore is poised to become the world's first "carbon billionaire," profiteering from government policies he supports that would direct billions of dollars to the business ventures he has invested in.">
The article is quite right, he is a profiteer. Also, a 21st century carpet bagger, a liar, and a pig feeding at the public trough. What he is not, is an honest businessman.
Gore probably has a slew of Tax attorneys at work who have already figured out ways to Avoid/defer taxes. None of the big money makers pay much in the way of Taxes. They found ways to avoid the AMT altogether.
Speaking of the AMT, does it go back into effect in 2010?
You people obviously want to destroy the earth and should be imprisoned.
For the good of the collective, send me most of your money and I will offset your filthy carbon footprints by seeding my yard and planting some badly needed bushes in my parking area.
For the man who created the internet creating a wonderfully green world and big personal bank account off the sweat and backs of unsuspecting poor Americans should be easy.
YH would be a benevolent greenie leader. He said "send me most of your money". He'd leave us some...
On Nov 04 08:04 AM yellowhoard wrote:
> You people obviously want to destroy the earth and should be imprisoned. > > > For the good of the collective, send me most of your money and I > will offset your filthy carbon footprints by seeding my yard and > planting some badly needed bushes in my parking area.
I was recently splashing around in algore's personal pond up in Tennessee. He keeps a giant houseboat on one of the TVA reservoirs, which is called "Solar II". This thing is a dedicated party barge, with 3 stories and just slightly shorter than a football field. Runs 4 huge diesel engines, I believe. Has the aerodynamic envelope of a brick, of course, assuming its NOT carpeted with the usual herd of bikini-clad party people.
Anyway, it has two tiny solar panels mounted on top, which I was told by the attendant at the marina where it sits (when not in party mode anchored discretely in some nook of the lake) that the solar panels suppossedly supply hot water for the master bath, though probably not for the jaccusi hot tub.
LOL, I should have taken pictures. The hypocrisy is thick enough to cut into steaks.
If it works, he will be a hero option girl. What is the alternative? 100 dollar oil that ends badly according to Roubini as the carry trade collapses?
Yeah, lets all just play either side of that Fed scam and forget about making America energy dependent? Sheesh. hubpages.com/hub/Proof...
On Nov 04 01:24 AM optionsgirl wrote:
> Mark, I thought twice about responding to this. > > < "I would never deny anyone the right to profit from making good > investment decisions, no matter what their political leaning."><br/> > > But here's the part of the article that points to influence peddling > rather than good investment decisions: > > <"Mr. Gore is poised to become the world's first "carbon billionaire," > profiteering from government policies he supports that would direct > billions of dollars to the business ventures he has invested in."> > > > The article is quite right, he is a profiteer. Also, a 21st century > carpet bagger, a liar, and a pig feeding at the public trough. What > he is not, is an honest businessman.
Al Gore is just as bad as the rest of "them" (inside traders with political ties).
And a hypocrite about it, to boot.
On Nov 04 01:24 AM optionsgirl wrote:
> Mark, I thought twice about responding to this. > > < "I would never deny anyone the right to profit from making good > investment decisions, no matter what their political leaning."><br/> > > But here's the part of the article that points to influence peddling > rather than good investment decisions: > > <"Mr. Gore is poised to become the world's first "carbon billionaire," > profiteering from government policies he supports that would direct > billions of dollars to the business ventures he has invested in."> > > > The article is quite right, he is a profiteer. Also, a 21st century > carpet bagger, a liar, and a pig feeding at the public trough. What > he is not, is an honest businessman.
Ok, oil companies are insiders too. The CEO of Chevron in 1998 said he wanted Iraq oil reserves. It is no secret that that was why Condi Rice became Bush's primary advisor. She was a director of Chevron.
Michael Dell and Ross Perot are insiders. They benefit greatly off the government, but unlike the oil companies they didn't get the government to commit war crimes to help their bottom line: hubpages.com/hub/Georg...
Gary A. : One crime doesn't justify another. We could have been nrg efficient decades ago. Instead of building nuclear power plants in the 1970's and the subsequent decades (after the 1st oil embargo) we stopped. Instead of drilling on our own lands and waters, we stopped. The mission of the DOE was to bring nrg independence. DOE was started by the Carter administration. Carter supported solar and wind nrg then. Are you happy with their performance? Instead of developing, DOE curtailed progress by making onerous permitting requirements, and building upon a labrynth of red tape. Please, don't lecture me on what our choices are. Cap and trade is a taxing scheme, not a push for energy efficiency, strategic safeguards and independence. Gore is a cancer. The world is dependent upon fossil fuels.We have had bad policy for 40 years. Those are the facts. The way to innovate is to get the friggin govt out of the equation. Let them give tax credits for jobs and build out, then allow private business do the heavy lifting.
I hereby associate myself fully with what OG says here. I was an adult while Carter was running for office (bought a house, paid 18.7% interest on the mortgage after he got in, darn it). I had tried to explain to folks from around the country who (once they found out I was from Georgia) wanted to ask me questions) what he was REALLY like. When I told them he was a lousy Governor, and none-too-bright, they just frowned disbelievingly and went away, and obviously voted for him anyway.
On Nov 04 01:16 PM optionsgirl wrote:
> Gary A. : One crime doesn't justify another. We could have been nrg > efficient decades ago. Instead of building nuclear power plants in > the 1970's and the subsequent decades (after the 1st oil embargo) > we stopped. Instead of drilling on our own lands and waters, we stopped. > The mission of the DOE was to bring nrg independence. DOE was started > by the Carter administration. Carter supported solar and wind nrg > then. Are you happy with their performance? > Instead of developing, DOE curtailed progress by making onerous permitting > requirements, and building upon a labrynth of red tape. > Please, don't lecture me on what our choices are. Cap and trade is > a taxing scheme, not a push for energy efficiency, strategic safeguards > and independence. > Gore is a cancer. The world is dependent upon fossil fuels.We have > had bad policy for 40 years. Those are the facts. The way to innovate > is to get the friggin govt out of the equation. Let them give tax > credits for jobs and build out, then allow private business do the > heavy lifting.
> No, net yet, I am holding until I have a chance to do more research. > > > It IS on my hot list, maybe top of the list, right now. > > I have been distracted by doctors and such the last few days. LOL, > they insist on trying to keep me alive.
I intend to be around for a very long time, yet, but I just have to take a lot of pills and behave myself in the meantime.
The more I look over GPR, the better it looks to me. I am thinking I will grab about 10k shares and just set them aside and let them age a little.
I recently sold off all my mining stocks except for GWM, which I am also just sitting on for now.
I was planning to buy more stocks when I do my general buy in after the next few days - last night's election was one event I was waiting on. Now if I can just determine whether they are going to bring the Cap & Trace and/or HealthCare bills to a vote before Christmas, or finalize the G20 factor, I might just make a move back into the market...
Or ignore that and park the GPR stock next to the GWM stock.
I have heart failure. My heart was attacked by a mysterious germ/virus during my second bout with the flu last March. I had a full checkup after my FIRST bout with the flu in February - great results, blood pressure like a young man, no cholesterol problems (still don't have any), etc, then 2 months later, 21% function, sky high blood pressure, and all the signs of a bad infection that I had barely fought off. I nearly died. I am "a very interesting case" according to my cardiologist. He noted that he usually only sees folks with my problems coming to him after years of high living - of smoking - of drugs - of drinking - of ignoring health warnings...
Ha. So I get good attention from the docs because I am the rare case that they all like to poke and prod.
Anyway, the flu DOES kill, if usually indirectly. It really does. Thousands die from it each year.
Oh, and yes, I DID get the standard flu shot last year, for all the good it did me. As most of those looking over NovaVax and the other investments we are studying know, there are NO makers of the dead-virus standard vaccines left in the U.S. We get whatever leftovers the foreigners leave us nowadays, and yes, this also means that they are shipping to their home folks FIRST (and who can blame them?).
So now I have an investment in NovaVax, and maybe soon CVM (their technology is really interesting).
And I just got the Swine Flu shot, just in case (but not the live virus nasal version, which oddly enough IS made in the U.S.).
Is it an allegory to think Al Gore is trying gorge himself fat on carbon credits while trying to gore our economy with gory results?
Makes me want to disGORgE! Would not be gorgeous to watch.
Bare with me while I go obtuse for a moment (well...I already have).
Mr. and Mrs. Wishy Washy were carbon cleaning their lives away when this big black bubble floated in holding some freak'n idiot driving some GD football field-sized houseboat the faux green simp wants every freaking GD citizen to pay 100 percent more in utilities, every freaking restaurant, car wash, munciple lighting, las vegas lighting, jails, more for hay bails, farting cows, even blue sows, PAY MORE!
global warming is more a warning that DC is peeking in fraud to which as the sick and tired writer of this carbon freakout uncut poem will conclude Mr. and Mrs, Wishy Washy will not applaud.
I just read the most amazing thing. Please, anyone suffering from cancer, do your own research. I read that nasalcrom, which is sold over the counter, inhibits O2 and nutrients from getting to tumors. You have to take approximately 10 doses per day. I also checked it against snopes, and there is nothing written on this.
All Hail the Glorious Goreacle, Guardian of Gaia, Defender of Trees, Father of the Internet, and Son of...
Ahem, it gets X rated after that.
Cool poem, Maya. Takes talent doing that sober (or am I assuming facts not yet in evidence?)...
On Nov 04 04:26 PM Mayascribe wrote:
> Is it an allegory to think Al Gore is trying gorge himself fat on > carbon credits while trying to gore our economy with gory results? > > > Makes me want to disGORgE! Would not be gorgeous to watch. > > Bare with me while I go obtuse for a moment (well...I already have). > > > Mr. and Mrs. Wishy Washy > were carbon cleaning their lives away > when this big black bubble floated in > holding some freak'n idiot driving some GD football field-sized houseboat > > the faux green simp wants every freaking GD citizen to pay 100 percent > more in utilities, every freaking restaurant, car wash, munciple > lighting, las vegas lighting, jails, more for hay bails, farting > cows, even blue sows, PAY MORE! > > global warming is more a warning that DC is peeking in fraud > to which as the sick and tired writer of this carbon freakout uncut > poem will conclude > Mr. and Mrs, Wishy Washy will not applaud. > > > >
Never seen Sunny in Philly. But heading into Philly today to attend Temple, my niece was only one train behind the one that caught on fire. And her mother had suggested, because of the Phillies Game to catch the earlier one. PHEW!
A "gorgasm?" That's it. You "decked" me! I'm out for the night.
Brazil isn't dependent on fossil fuels. I would suggest, Option Girl, that the powers that be want the US to be dependent on fossil fuels but that does not give your argument a victory.
Oh, why would you say I am lecturing you? I was just stating my opinion. Please don't mistake frustration for anger and a lecture. I follow you because I think your writings are interesting. No attack was intended.
But just remember, fossil fuel policy has made George W. Bush into a near Hitler. You have no idea what I know about that guy. And that probably is the tip of the iceberg. So I would say that fossil fuel dependence has led this country to moral bankruptcy. How many,for example, even know that the Taliban went to Texas in 1997 and refused Unocal's request to build a pipeline to daddy Bush and Halliburton investment in the Caspian. Even Afghanistan is a war crime.
If you want to rail on Gore, go ahead. But our problems are far larger from the right. I don't like Obama, Geithner, Rubin and lots of other Democrats who have sold out to the international cartel, but neocons have only one economic solution, endless war and provocation of Russia. Even Pat Buchanan fears them and calls them the "war party". There is little comfort in substituting neocons for what we have now. International bankers love debt from all quarters, including war profiteering.
Oh, and while I am at it, I live on the East side of the Sierra Nevada where the glaciers are melting and the average low temperatures are rarely reached. When this high elevation global warming hits lower elevations, who knows what will happen. My hope is that Manhattan would become the new Atlantis:)
Most of the folks on the right who think conservatism is neoconservatism have no real concern for their children and grandchildren. The end of neoconservatism is nuclear war, the end of conservatism is a balanced budget. Big difference. Until the neocons are booted out of both parties, this world remains in grave danger.
On Nov 04 01:16 PM optionsgirl wrote:
> Gary A. : One crime doesn't justify another. We could have been nrg > efficient decades ago. Instead of building nuclear power plants in > the 1970's and the subsequent decades (after the 1st oil embargo) > we stopped. Instead of drilling on our own lands and waters, we stopped. > The mission of the DOE was to bring nrg independence. DOE was started > by the Carter administration. Carter supported solar and wind nrg > then. Are you happy with their performance? > Instead of developing, DOE curtailed progress by making onerous permitting > requirements, and building upon a labrynth of red tape. > Please, don't lecture me on what our choices are. Cap and trade is > a taxing scheme, not a push for energy efficiency, strategic safeguards > and independence. > Gore is a cancer. The world is dependent upon fossil fuels.We have > had bad policy for 40 years. Those are the facts. The way to innovate > is to get the friggin govt out of the equation. Let them give tax > credits for jobs and build out, then allow private business do the > heavy lifting.
tripleblack: Greetings. I was unaware of your health problems and sympathize although that is all I can do. I like the Goreacle thing it's a hoot. I'm working on a article can I use that? As for trading I am standing pat at for the next couple of quarters and don't plan on opening or closing any positions unless something drastic happens. According to Dingy Harry health care reform with the banana option won't get a vote this year and knee cap our trade probably won't either. Till next year keep your powder dry and good luck.
Triple: You take care of yourself, buddy! I'm still paying off the bills from a visit to the hospital for some nasty heart palpitations I had a few months ago. That's why I love this gaggle of investors I hang out with. Yeah, we are most definitley serious about what we do, within the vastly different trading styles that we have. Sometimes it's high pressure stuff, at least the way I day trade.
Getting some laughs along the way is the best possible medicine I know, only better is a hug.
I'm with you. This week will tell a lot about the rest of this year.
Gary A: Greetings. What color is the sky on your plane of existance?
On Nov 04 05:45 PM Gary A wrote:
> Brazil isn't dependent on fossil fuels. I would suggest, Option Girl, > that the powers that be want the US to be dependent on fossil fuels > but that does not give your argument a victory. > > Oh, why would you say I am lecturing you? I was just stating my opinion. > Please don't mistake frustration for anger and a lecture. I follow > you because I think your writings are interesting. No attack was > intended. > > But just remember, fossil fuel policy has made George W. Bush into > a near Hitler. You have no idea what I know about that guy. And that > probably is the tip of the iceberg. So I would say that fossil fuel > dependence has led this country to moral bankruptcy. How many,for > example, even know that the Taliban went to Texas in 1997 and refused > Unocal's request to build a pipeline to daddy Bush and Halliburton > investment in the Caspian. Even Afghanistan is a war crime. > > If you want to rail on Gore, go ahead. But our problems are far larger > from the right. I don't like Obama, Geithner, Rubin and lots of other > Democrats who have sold out to the international cartel, but neocons > have only one economic solution, endless war and provocation of Russia. > Even Pat Buchanan fears them and calls them the "war party". There > is little comfort in substituting neocons for what we have now. International > bankers love debt from all quarters, including war profiteering. > > > Oh, and while I am at it, I live on the East side of the Sierra Nevada > where the glaciers are melting and the average low temperatures are > rarely reached. When this high elevation global warming hits lower > elevations, who knows what will happen. My hope is that Manhattan > would become the new Atlantis:) > > Most of the folks on the right who think conservatism is neoconservatism > have no real concern for their children and grandchildren. The end > of neoconservatism is nuclear war, the end of conservatism is a balanced > budget. Big difference. Until the neocons are booted out of both > parties, this world remains in grave danger.
Gary, I apologize for the "lecturing" comment. I meant it to be funny, I really didn't mean it literally that you are delivering a lecture. In print, I sound preachy myself. Ask my family, they will tell you I am preachy in real life, too! Again, no insult intended. I am happy to read your comments and appreciate the fact that you took the time to voice your opinion.
On Nov 04 05:45 PM Gary A wrote:
> Brazil isn't dependent on fossil fuels. I would suggest, Option Girl, > that the powers that be want the US to be dependent on fossil fuels > but that does not give your argument a victory. > > Oh, why would you say I am lecturing you? I was just stating my opinion. > Please don't mistake frustration for anger and a lecture. I follow > you because I think your writings are interesting. No attack was > intended. > > But just remember, fossil fuel policy has made George W. Bush into > a near Hitler. You have no idea what I know about that guy. And that > probably is the tip of the iceberg. So I would say that fossil fuel > dependence has led this country to moral bankruptcy. How many,for > example, even know that the Taliban went to Texas in 1997 and refused > Unocal's request to build a pipeline to daddy Bush and Halliburton > investment in the Caspian. Even Afghanistan is a war crime. > > If you want to rail on Gore, go ahead. But our problems are far larger > from the right. I don't like Obama, Geithner, Rubin and lots of other > Democrats who have sold out to the international cartel, but neocons > have only one economic solution, endless war and provocation of Russia. > Even Pat Buchanan fears them and calls them the "war party". There > is little comfort in substituting neocons for what we have now. International > bankers love debt from all quarters, including war profiteering. > > > Oh, and while I am at it, I live on the East side of the Sierra Nevada > where the glaciers are melting and the average low temperatures are > rarely reached. When this high elevation global warming hits lower > elevations, who knows what will happen. My hope is that Manhattan > would become the new Atlantis:) > > Most of the folks on the right who think conservatism is neoconservatism > have no real concern for their children and grandchildren. The end > of neoconservatism is nuclear war, the end of conservatism is a balanced > budget. Big difference. Until the neocons are booted out of both > parties, this world remains in grave danger.
Upon ocassion I have been known to indulge in political debate myself...
Oh, the days of the dawn of the WWW, when AOL was charging by the minute...
THOSE were the "terrible old days"!
But the political battles were legendary.
Thanks to all for the good wishes, I will not make such personal data dumps a habit.
I have a LOT of fragmented data laying around, and I WILL get back to work on the morrow!
Oh, and Gary, stick around, this is a bright group here, and I've spent time in discussion rooms where the average IQ was somewhere north of 150. If you can find a niche, you will not regret it, though in that case I suspect you will not emerge with the same notions you possessed upon entering.
On Nov 04 06:38 PM optionsgirl wrote:
> Gary, I apologize for the "lecturing" comment. I meant it to be funny, > I really didn't mean it literally that you are delivering a lecture. > In print, I sound preachy myself. Ask my family, they will tell you > I am preachy in real life, too! > Again, no insult intended. I am happy to read your comments and appreciate > the fact that you took the time to voice your opinion.
Thanks option girl. You are feisty. And smart too.
Also Robert, you need to get out more:) If you rely on mainstream media you will come to be sorely disappointed!
And all, big oil spill makes me not want drilling off Santa Barbara coast. Less is better. I don't buy Kudlow's drill baby drill because it isn't enough. I was at the very fist protest in 1969 after the first dreadful oil spill in SB. It was gross.
There is nothing more fun than walking on the beach for months afterwood and having tar stick to your feet. No offshore drilling.
I'm late to this, but "carbon billionaire" is just so clumsy. I propose a new sniglet (en.wiktionary.org/wiki...).
I propose "Carbonaire" - one who made {b,m}illions by espousing an (inter)national "protocol" that directly benefited his investments regardless of the validity of factual foundations underlying the protocol.
As a noun, it saves energy (reducing carbon contribution). As a verb we derive even greater benefit. E.g. "Yeah, he's sharp. He carbonaired the whole international community".
I also envision the results of the efforts of masses of Carbonaires as they rape and pillage Western Civilization...
"Carbogeddon".
After they settle their sucking proboscus into our collective veins, we will fall into a steady-state decline, suffering from "Carboflation" as they manipulate their pet carbomarkets to fill their pockets while transfering our lifes blood to more deserving fellow parasites everywhere.
I used to be a Braves fan, I was one of the very few in the stands the time they set the Major League record for low attendance, and of course I was there when they got better, too, but after the year-without-a-series, I lost my interest in pro baseball.
As for the Yankees, we here in the South have a very old saying about that problem, though we usually use a small "y".
OG - I absolutely agree. But I believe that it is merely human nature and part of the capitalist model to profit from one's own investments and to advertise (marketing) their own products. Where I have problems with Gore, is that he lied, got an award for doing so, and is using his influence to siphon money into companies from which he will personally profit. He's obviously never heard of the concept "conflict of interest." Oh, wait! That only applies to other people!
I think we are on the same page. But you have to admit, even though he is a complete hypocrite, he's using the captialist system. He may be abusing the system, but he's got it figured out. Personally, I'm surprised he figured it out because all this time I thought he was a complete idiot. But now I see that he either has someone smarter advising him or he has a dual personality. The ugly side of liberalism and the even uglier side of capitalism.
On Nov 04 01:24 AM optionsgirl wrote:
> Mark, I thought twice about responding to this. > > < "I would never deny anyone the right to profit from making good > investment decisions, no matter what their political leaning."><br/> > > But here's the part of the article that points to influence peddling > rather than good investment decisions: > > <"Mr. Gore is poised to become the world's first "carbon billionaire," > profiteering from government policies he supports that would direct > billions of dollars to the business ventures he has invested in."> > > > The article is quite right, he is a profiteer. Also, a 21st century > carpet bagger, a liar, and a pig feeding at the public trough. What > he is not, is an honest businessman.
I think you should write a children's book in your spare time. You could be the 21st century Ted Geisel.
On Nov 04 04:26 PM Mayascribe wrote:
> Is it an allegory to think Al Gore is trying gorge himself fat on > carbon credits while trying to gore our economy with gory results? > > > Makes me want to disGORgE! Would not be gorgeous to watch. > > Bare with me while I go obtuse for a moment (well...I already have). > > > Mr. and Mrs. Wishy Washy > were carbon cleaning their lives away > when this big black bubble floated in > holding some freak'n idiot driving some GD football field-sized houseboat > > the faux green simp wants every freaking GD citizen to pay 100 percent > more in utilities, every freaking restaurant, car wash, munciple > lighting, las vegas lighting, jails, more for hay bails, farting > cows, even blue sows, PAY MORE! > > global warming is more a warning that DC is peeking in fraud > to which as the sick and tired writer of this carbon freakout uncut > poem will conclude > Mr. and Mrs, Wishy Washy will not applaud. > > > >
Option Girl. I am not trying to offend. But since you are for drill drill drill, do you have positions that would oppose the establishment of alternative energy?
There are many people with enough money who want alternative energy. Some even say that Israel prevents alternative energy because they fear the US won't care about the middle east.
If Brazil can afford to be free of energy, it must be cost effective. Right? If that is so, then why can't we save money through alternative energy? Even T Boone Pickens, who has plenty of extra money, wants to see what is good for America with alternative energy. What is the downside of that Option Girl?
"Some even say that Israel prevents alternative energy because they > fear the US won't care about the middle east." Israel has huge projects going for their own energy independence, nothing could be further from the truth. Let's not forget that they don't have oil, just natural gas. Their future survival depends upon it. Yes, I have investments in alternative nrg. And, yes, I believe that fossil fuels are unavoidable because there are no energy alternatives that are sustainable without fossil fuels (whether it be coal, natural gas or crude oil). And yes, I am a huge advocate of nuclear energy and am actively following the development of thorium as an alternative to current nuclear fuel.
On Nov 05 02:24 PM Gary A wrote:
> Option Girl. I am not trying to offend. But since you are for drill > drill drill, do you have positions that would oppose the establishment > of alternative energy? > > There are many people with enough money who want alternative energy. > Some even say that Israel prevents alternative energy because they > fear the US won't care about the middle east. > > If Brazil can afford to be free of energy, it must be cost effective. > Right? If that is so, then why can't we save money through alternative > energy? Even T Boone Pickens, who has plenty of extra money, wants > to see what is good for America with alternative energy. What is > the downside of that Option Girl?
1.Brazil is dependent upon PBR. 2. Israel is heads and shoulders above USA in clean energy technology. Don't forget that they have no crude, but they do have some nat gas. Do a Google search "Israeli research of alternative energy" and you will see pages and pages. Can you think of any other country on earth more in need of energy independence for strategic defense? They are also very clean conscious. They have built parks with all recycled products. 3. I am not anti-alternative fuels. I believe in nuclear power first and foremost, especially with thorium available as an alternative to Uranium. 4. I recognize the need but also recognize that fossil fuels are necessary because nothing can replace them. If it isn't sunny or windy, where is your alternative nrg, then? I also like biofuels, but not using food. Food should be used to eat. 5.Check out SYNM, LTPG ( used to be called Thorium Power until recently) and MEOH as three of my picks. Freya has a pick in Zenn Motors because of the eestor technology, but I am out of that for now. 6. Also looking to reenter GLW as clean tech play, but not at this level. Alternative plays are with ceramics and batteries. All of these are clean(er) tech. 7. I believe being nrg independent is a top priority for strategic defense. Drill, drill, drill. And let's protect our infrastructure, too--while we're at it. 8. IBM, TTEK and NWPX (for h2o) which is just as important as nrg. Potable water is even more important to me.
In my experience, the most knowledgeable persons about different methods of producing energy are often the same folks that recognize the reasons why fossil fuels are sometimes the correct answer.
For instance, such things as plastics and petrochemicals are difficult to source from the same energy alternatives usually cited.
The other element often lost in discussion of the now largely null "Drill, drill, drill" campaign launched by Solutions for America was that they also fully supported exploring and developing alternative energy sources.
For a fantastic article on the history of energy innovation in the 19th century (when crude became an alternative to whale oil, among many other simultaneous developments) and the parallels today, I liked reading The Objective Standard, Vol. 4 No. 2, Summer 2009 edition. The essay is entitled: "Energy At the Speed of Thought" by Alex Epstein.
I love history references. If we spent more time learning applicable history, and less time listening to politicians, we would be much better off (and more likely to be doing smart things in the here and now).
Maxine Waters and John Murtha could use a history lesson.
On Nov 06 05:08 PM tripleblack wrote:
> I love history references. If we spent more time learning applicable > history, and less time listening to politicians, we would be much > better off (and more likely to be doing smart things in the here > and now).
OG: Greetings. your observation on bio mass fuel is spot on. converting corn to ethanol for example nets only 25% more energy than is expended making it. That is not commercially viable with oil under $140pbl. Converting cellulosic bio mass like saw grass nets 500% but is difficult and expensive. I purchased a block of Gulf Alternative Energy Corporation (GAEC) quite awhile ago. I'm not recommending it as it is purely a speculative play and is as likely to crash and burn as to become a cash cow. However they have developed a proprietary system for cellulosic conversion and have recently gone to small scale production in a U.S. plant and another in Brazil.
><snip> > 2. Israel is heads and shoulders above USA in clean energy technology. > Don't forget that they have no crude, but they do have some nat gas. > Do a Google search "Israeli research of alternative energy" and you > will see pages and pages. Can you think of any other country on earth > more in need of energy independence for strategic defense? <snip>
And, as far as I know, they plan to take advantage of their sunny clime in a big way too. They have a co (HelioFocus) doing concentrated sloar power installations that has ordered a developmental modified Capstone Microturbines C65 to generate electricity. The concentrated solar is used to provide the heat for the input stage of the (CPST) turbine directly to produce electricity.
" fuel free renewable solution offers higher solar conversion efficiencies over traditional solar photovoltaic systems"
and
"Utilizing Capstone's microturbine, our mutual goal is to develop a system that can operate entirely on sunlight."
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Al Gore could become world's first carbon billionaire 63 comments
Published: 7:00AM GMT 03 Nov 2009
Last year Mr Gore's venture capital firm loaned a small California firm $75m to develop energy-saving technology.
The company, Silver Spring Networks, produces hardware and software to make the electricity grid more efficient.
The deal appeared to pay off in a big way last week, when the Energy Department announced $3.4 billion in smart grid grants, the New York Times reports. Of the total, more than $560 million went to utilities with which Silver Spring has contracts.
The move means that venture capital company Kleiner Perkins and its partners, including Mr Gore, could recoup their investment many times over in coming years.
Few people have been as vocal about the urgency of global warming and the need to reinvent the way the world produces and consumes energy as Mr Gore. And few have put as much money behind their advocacy and are as well positioned to profit from this green transformation, if and when it comes.
Critics, mostly on the political right and among global warming sceptics, say Mr. Gore is poised to become the world's first "carbon billionaire," profiteering from government policies he supports that would direct billions of dollars to the business ventures he has invested in.
Representative Marsha Blackburn, Republican of Tennessee, has claimed that Mr Gore stood to benefit personally from the energy and climate policies he was urging Congress to adopt.
Mr Gore had said that he is simply putting his money where his mouth is.
"Do you think there is something wrong with being active in business in this country?" Mr. Gore said. "I am proud of it. I am proud of it."
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- Al Gorleone, "Godfather of Carbon"
- Gorbon Credits
- Al "The Carbfather" Gorleone
< "I would never deny anyone the right to profit from making good investment decisions, no matter what their political leaning.">
But here's the part of the article that points to influence peddling rather than good investment decisions:
<"Mr. Gore is poised to become the world's first "carbon billionaire," profiteering from government policies he supports that would direct billions of dollars to the business ventures he has invested in.">
The article is quite right, he is a profiteer. Also, a 21st century carpet bagger, a liar, and a pig feeding at the public trough. What he is not, is an honest businessman.
Speaking of the AMT, does it go back into effect in 2010?
For the good of the collective, send me most of your money and I will offset your filthy carbon footprints by seeding my yard and planting some badly needed bushes in my parking area.
On Nov 04 08:04 AM yellowhoard wrote:
> You people obviously want to destroy the earth and should be imprisoned.
>
>
> For the good of the collective, send me most of your money and I
> will offset your filthy carbon footprints by seeding my yard and
> planting some badly needed bushes in my parking area.
Anyway, it has two tiny solar panels mounted on top, which I was told by the attendant at the marina where it sits (when not in party mode anchored discretely in some nook of the lake) that the solar panels suppossedly supply hot water for the master bath, though probably not for the jaccusi hot tub.
LOL, I should have taken pictures. The hypocrisy is thick enough to cut into steaks.
Yeah, lets all just play either side of that Fed scam and forget about making America energy dependent? Sheesh. hubpages.com/hub/Proof...
On Nov 04 01:24 AM optionsgirl wrote:
> Mark, I thought twice about responding to this.
>
> < "I would never deny anyone the right to profit from making good
> investment decisions, no matter what their political leaning."><br/>
>
> But here's the part of the article that points to influence peddling
> rather than good investment decisions:
>
> <"Mr. Gore is poised to become the world's first "carbon billionaire,"
> profiteering from government policies he supports that would direct
> billions of dollars to the business ventures he has invested in.">
>
>
> The article is quite right, he is a profiteer. Also, a 21st century
> carpet bagger, a liar, and a pig feeding at the public trough. What
> he is not, is an honest businessman.
And a hypocrite about it, to boot.
On Nov 04 01:24 AM optionsgirl wrote:
> Mark, I thought twice about responding to this.
>
> < "I would never deny anyone the right to profit from making good
> investment decisions, no matter what their political leaning."><br/>
>
> But here's the part of the article that points to influence peddling
> rather than good investment decisions:
>
> <"Mr. Gore is poised to become the world's first "carbon billionaire,"
> profiteering from government policies he supports that would direct
> billions of dollars to the business ventures he has invested in.">
>
>
> The article is quite right, he is a profiteer. Also, a 21st century
> carpet bagger, a liar, and a pig feeding at the public trough. What
> he is not, is an honest businessman.
Michael Dell and Ross Perot are insiders. They benefit greatly off the government, but unlike the oil companies they didn't get the government to commit war crimes to help their bottom line: hubpages.com/hub/Georg...
Instead of developing, DOE curtailed progress by making onerous permitting requirements, and building upon a labrynth of red tape.
Please, don't lecture me on what our choices are. Cap and trade is a taxing scheme, not a push for energy efficiency, strategic safeguards and independence.
Gore is a cancer. The world is dependent upon fossil fuels.We have had bad policy for 40 years. Those are the facts. The way to innovate is to get the friggin govt out of the equation. Let them give tax credits for jobs and build out, then allow private business do the heavy lifting.
On Nov 04 01:16 PM optionsgirl wrote:
> Gary A. : One crime doesn't justify another. We could have been nrg
> efficient decades ago. Instead of building nuclear power plants in
> the 1970's and the subsequent decades (after the 1st oil embargo)
> we stopped. Instead of drilling on our own lands and waters, we stopped.
> The mission of the DOE was to bring nrg independence. DOE was started
> by the Carter administration. Carter supported solar and wind nrg
> then. Are you happy with their performance?
> Instead of developing, DOE curtailed progress by making onerous permitting
> requirements, and building upon a labrynth of red tape.
> Please, don't lecture me on what our choices are. Cap and trade is
> a taxing scheme, not a push for energy efficiency, strategic safeguards
> and independence.
> Gore is a cancer. The world is dependent upon fossil fuels.We have
> had bad policy for 40 years. Those are the facts. The way to innovate
> is to get the friggin govt out of the equation. Let them give tax
> credits for jobs and build out, then allow private business do the
> heavy lifting.
It IS on my hot list, maybe top of the list, right now.
I have been distracted by doctors and such the last few days. LOL, they insist on trying to keep me alive.
On Nov 04 03:21 PM optionsgirl wrote:
> Triple: Did you buy great panther?
On Nov 04 03:43 PM tripleblack wrote:
> No, net yet, I am holding until I have a chance to do more research.
>
>
> It IS on my hot list, maybe top of the list, right now.
>
> I have been distracted by doctors and such the last few days. LOL,
> they insist on trying to keep me alive.
I intend to be around for a very long time, yet, but I just have to take a lot of pills and behave myself in the meantime.
The more I look over GPR, the better it looks to me. I am thinking I will grab about 10k shares and just set them aside and let them age a little.
I recently sold off all my mining stocks except for GWM, which I am also just sitting on for now.
I was planning to buy more stocks when I do my general buy in after the next few days - last night's election was one event I was waiting on. Now if I can just determine whether they are going to bring the Cap & Trace and/or HealthCare bills to a vote before Christmas, or finalize the G20 factor, I might just make a move back into the market...
Or ignore that and park the GPR stock next to the GWM stock.
I must think upon the subject!
I made my peace with my God of choice years ago but he insists that leaving this mortal coil would be seriously detrimental to his health.
"Men, you can't live with them and you can't live without them."
Ha. So I get good attention from the docs because I am the rare case that they all like to poke and prod.
Anyway, the flu DOES kill, if usually indirectly. It really does. Thousands die from it each year.
Oh, and yes, I DID get the standard flu shot last year, for all the good it did me. As most of those looking over NovaVax and the other investments we are studying know, there are NO makers of the dead-virus standard vaccines left in the U.S. We get whatever leftovers the foreigners leave us nowadays, and yes, this also means that they are shipping to their home folks FIRST (and who can blame them?).
So now I have an investment in NovaVax, and maybe soon CVM (their technology is really interesting).
And I just got the Swine Flu shot, just in case (but not the live virus nasal version, which oddly enough IS made in the U.S.).
Makes me want to disGORgE! Would not be gorgeous to watch.
Bare with me while I go obtuse for a moment (well...I already have).
Mr. and Mrs. Wishy Washy
were carbon cleaning their lives away
when this big black bubble floated in
holding some freak'n idiot driving some GD football field-sized houseboat
the faux green simp wants every freaking GD citizen to pay 100 percent more in utilities, every freaking restaurant, car wash, munciple lighting, las vegas lighting, jails, more for hay bails, farting cows, even blue sows, PAY MORE!
global warming is more a warning that DC is peeking in fraud
to which as the sick and tired writer of this carbon freakout uncut poem will conclude
Mr. and Mrs, Wishy Washy will not applaud.
Ahem, it gets X rated after that.
Cool poem, Maya. Takes talent doing that sober (or am I assuming facts not yet in evidence?)...
On Nov 04 04:26 PM Mayascribe wrote:
> Is it an allegory to think Al Gore is trying gorge himself fat on
> carbon credits while trying to gore our economy with gory results?
>
>
> Makes me want to disGORgE! Would not be gorgeous to watch.
>
> Bare with me while I go obtuse for a moment (well...I already have).
>
>
> Mr. and Mrs. Wishy Washy
> were carbon cleaning their lives away
> when this big black bubble floated in
> holding some freak'n idiot driving some GD football field-sized houseboat
>
> the faux green simp wants every freaking GD citizen to pay 100 percent
> more in utilities, every freaking restaurant, car wash, munciple
> lighting, las vegas lighting, jails, more for hay bails, farting
> cows, even blue sows, PAY MORE!
>
> global warming is more a warning that DC is peeking in fraud
> to which as the sick and tired writer of this carbon freakout uncut
> poem will conclude
> Mr. and Mrs, Wishy Washy will not applaud.
>
>
>
>
OG: Thanks ever so much! I will pass the nasalcrom info along to my sister! Thanks again!
When Al Gore is trying to get Tipper in the mood, that's what you call goreplay.
Hey, are you watching any of the Main Event? That lumberjack is getting hit by the deck, after deck, after deck. I could win with his cards.
Phil Ivey is the best there is, but he's going to need some of that lumberjack luck to catch up with the big stack guys.
A "gorgasm?" That's it. You "decked" me! I'm out for the night.
Oh, why would you say I am lecturing you? I was just stating my opinion. Please don't mistake frustration for anger and a lecture. I follow you because I think your writings are interesting. No attack was intended.
But just remember, fossil fuel policy has made George W. Bush into a near Hitler. You have no idea what I know about that guy. And that probably is the tip of the iceberg. So I would say that fossil fuel dependence has led this country to moral bankruptcy. How many,for example, even know that the Taliban went to Texas in 1997 and refused Unocal's request to build a pipeline to daddy Bush and Halliburton investment in the Caspian. Even Afghanistan is a war crime.
If you want to rail on Gore, go ahead. But our problems are far larger from the right. I don't like Obama, Geithner, Rubin and lots of other Democrats who have sold out to the international cartel, but neocons have only one economic solution, endless war and provocation of Russia. Even Pat Buchanan fears them and calls them the "war party". There is little comfort in substituting neocons for what we have now. International bankers love debt from all quarters, including war profiteering.
Oh, and while I am at it, I live on the East side of the Sierra Nevada where the glaciers are melting and the average low temperatures are rarely reached. When this high elevation global warming hits lower elevations, who knows what will happen. My hope is that Manhattan would become the new Atlantis:)
Most of the folks on the right who think conservatism is neoconservatism have no real concern for their children and grandchildren. The end of neoconservatism is nuclear war, the end of conservatism is a balanced budget. Big difference. Until the neocons are booted out of both parties, this world remains in grave danger.
On Nov 04 01:16 PM optionsgirl wrote:
> Gary A. : One crime doesn't justify another. We could have been nrg
> efficient decades ago. Instead of building nuclear power plants in
> the 1970's and the subsequent decades (after the 1st oil embargo)
> we stopped. Instead of drilling on our own lands and waters, we stopped.
> The mission of the DOE was to bring nrg independence. DOE was started
> by the Carter administration. Carter supported solar and wind nrg
> then. Are you happy with their performance?
> Instead of developing, DOE curtailed progress by making onerous permitting
> requirements, and building upon a labrynth of red tape.
> Please, don't lecture me on what our choices are. Cap and trade is
> a taxing scheme, not a push for energy efficiency, strategic safeguards
> and independence.
> Gore is a cancer. The world is dependent upon fossil fuels.We have
> had bad policy for 40 years. Those are the facts. The way to innovate
> is to get the friggin govt out of the equation. Let them give tax
> credits for jobs and build out, then allow private business do the
> heavy lifting.
Do yourself a favor and rent the first four seasons.
You'll want to sit on a beach towel because you'll pee yourself about three or four times a show.
Getting some laughs along the way is the best possible medicine I know, only better is a hug.
I'm with you. This week will tell a lot about the rest of this year.
Okay, now I'm really out for the night.
On Nov 04 05:45 PM Gary A wrote:
> Brazil isn't dependent on fossil fuels. I would suggest, Option Girl,
> that the powers that be want the US to be dependent on fossil fuels
> but that does not give your argument a victory.
>
> Oh, why would you say I am lecturing you? I was just stating my opinion.
> Please don't mistake frustration for anger and a lecture. I follow
> you because I think your writings are interesting. No attack was
> intended.
>
> But just remember, fossil fuel policy has made George W. Bush into
> a near Hitler. You have no idea what I know about that guy. And that
> probably is the tip of the iceberg. So I would say that fossil fuel
> dependence has led this country to moral bankruptcy. How many,for
> example, even know that the Taliban went to Texas in 1997 and refused
> Unocal's request to build a pipeline to daddy Bush and Halliburton
> investment in the Caspian. Even Afghanistan is a war crime.
>
> If you want to rail on Gore, go ahead. But our problems are far larger
> from the right. I don't like Obama, Geithner, Rubin and lots of other
> Democrats who have sold out to the international cartel, but neocons
> have only one economic solution, endless war and provocation of Russia.
> Even Pat Buchanan fears them and calls them the "war party". There
> is little comfort in substituting neocons for what we have now. International
> bankers love debt from all quarters, including war profiteering.
>
>
> Oh, and while I am at it, I live on the East side of the Sierra Nevada
> where the glaciers are melting and the average low temperatures are
> rarely reached. When this high elevation global warming hits lower
> elevations, who knows what will happen. My hope is that Manhattan
> would become the new Atlantis:)
>
> Most of the folks on the right who think conservatism is neoconservatism
> have no real concern for their children and grandchildren. The end
> of neoconservatism is nuclear war, the end of conservatism is a balanced
> budget. Big difference. Until the neocons are booted out of both
> parties, this world remains in grave danger.
Again, no insult intended. I am happy to read your comments and appreciate the fact that you took the time to voice your opinion.
On Nov 04 05:45 PM Gary A wrote:
> Brazil isn't dependent on fossil fuels. I would suggest, Option Girl,
> that the powers that be want the US to be dependent on fossil fuels
> but that does not give your argument a victory.
>
> Oh, why would you say I am lecturing you? I was just stating my opinion.
> Please don't mistake frustration for anger and a lecture. I follow
> you because I think your writings are interesting. No attack was
> intended.
>
> But just remember, fossil fuel policy has made George W. Bush into
> a near Hitler. You have no idea what I know about that guy. And that
> probably is the tip of the iceberg. So I would say that fossil fuel
> dependence has led this country to moral bankruptcy. How many,for
> example, even know that the Taliban went to Texas in 1997 and refused
> Unocal's request to build a pipeline to daddy Bush and Halliburton
> investment in the Caspian. Even Afghanistan is a war crime.
>
> If you want to rail on Gore, go ahead. But our problems are far larger
> from the right. I don't like Obama, Geithner, Rubin and lots of other
> Democrats who have sold out to the international cartel, but neocons
> have only one economic solution, endless war and provocation of Russia.
> Even Pat Buchanan fears them and calls them the "war party". There
> is little comfort in substituting neocons for what we have now. International
> bankers love debt from all quarters, including war profiteering.
>
>
> Oh, and while I am at it, I live on the East side of the Sierra Nevada
> where the glaciers are melting and the average low temperatures are
> rarely reached. When this high elevation global warming hits lower
> elevations, who knows what will happen. My hope is that Manhattan
> would become the new Atlantis:)
>
> Most of the folks on the right who think conservatism is neoconservatism
> have no real concern for their children and grandchildren. The end
> of neoconservatism is nuclear war, the end of conservatism is a balanced
> budget. Big difference. Until the neocons are booted out of both
> parties, this world remains in grave danger.
Okay, now I'm realy, really, really, in the words of recently deceased and beloved Harry Kalas, "Otta here." I mean it. I really do.
Cya tomorrow morning!
Upon ocassion I have been known to indulge in political debate myself...
Oh, the days of the dawn of the WWW, when AOL was charging by the minute...
THOSE were the "terrible old days"!
But the political battles were legendary.
Thanks to all for the good wishes, I will not make such personal data dumps a habit.
I have a LOT of fragmented data laying around, and I WILL get back to work on the morrow!
Oh, and Gary, stick around, this is a bright group here, and I've spent time in discussion rooms where the average IQ was somewhere north of 150. If you can find a niche, you will not regret it, though in that case I suspect you will not emerge with the same notions you possessed upon entering.
On Nov 04 06:38 PM optionsgirl wrote:
> Gary, I apologize for the "lecturing" comment. I meant it to be funny,
> I really didn't mean it literally that you are delivering a lecture.
> In print, I sound preachy myself. Ask my family, they will tell you
> I am preachy in real life, too!
> Again, no insult intended. I am happy to read your comments and appreciate
> the fact that you took the time to voice your opinion.
Also Robert, you need to get out more:) If you rely on mainstream media you will come to be sorely disappointed!
And all, big oil spill makes me not want drilling off Santa Barbara coast. Less is better. I don't buy Kudlow's drill baby drill because it isn't enough. I was at the very fist protest in 1969 after the first dreadful oil spill in SB. It was gross.
There is nothing more fun than walking on the beach for months afterwood and having tar stick to your feet. No offshore drilling.
On Nov 04 06:59 PM notesfromvegas wrote:
> Dayman!
He's a master of karate
And friendship for everyone.
I propose "Carbonaire" - one who made {b,m}illions by espousing an (inter)national "protocol" that directly benefited his investments regardless of the validity of factual foundations underlying the protocol.
As a noun, it saves energy (reducing carbon contribution). As a verb we derive even greater benefit. E.g. "Yeah, he's sharp. He carbonaired the whole international community".
HardToLove
I also envision the results of the efforts of masses of Carbonaires as they rape and pillage Western Civilization...
"Carbogeddon".
After they settle their sucking proboscus into our collective veins, we will fall into a steady-state decline, suffering from "Carboflation" as they manipulate their pet carbomarkets to fill their pockets while transfering our lifes blood to more deserving fellow parasites everywhere.
I used to be a Braves fan, I was one of the very few in the stands the time they set the Major League record for low attendance, and of course I was there when they got better, too, but after the year-without-a-series, I lost my interest in pro baseball.
As for the Yankees, we here in the South have a very old saying about that problem, though we usually use a small "y".
On Nov 05 08:59 AM Mayascribe wrote:
> I wonder how Jed, Jethro and Granny would feel about the Carbonaires?
I think we are on the same page. But you have to admit, even though he is a complete hypocrite, he's using the captialist system. He may be abusing the system, but he's got it figured out. Personally, I'm surprised he figured it out because all this time I thought he was a complete idiot. But now I see that he either has someone smarter advising him or he has a dual personality. The ugly side of liberalism and the even uglier side of capitalism.
On Nov 04 01:24 AM optionsgirl wrote:
> Mark, I thought twice about responding to this.
>
> < "I would never deny anyone the right to profit from making good
> investment decisions, no matter what their political leaning."><br/>
>
> But here's the part of the article that points to influence peddling
> rather than good investment decisions:
>
> <"Mr. Gore is poised to become the world's first "carbon billionaire,"
> profiteering from government policies he supports that would direct
> billions of dollars to the business ventures he has invested in.">
>
>
> The article is quite right, he is a profiteer. Also, a 21st century
> carpet bagger, a liar, and a pig feeding at the public trough. What
> he is not, is an honest businessman.
On Nov 04 04:26 PM Mayascribe wrote:
> Is it an allegory to think Al Gore is trying gorge himself fat on
> carbon credits while trying to gore our economy with gory results?
>
>
> Makes me want to disGORgE! Would not be gorgeous to watch.
>
> Bare with me while I go obtuse for a moment (well...I already have).
>
>
> Mr. and Mrs. Wishy Washy
> were carbon cleaning their lives away
> when this big black bubble floated in
> holding some freak'n idiot driving some GD football field-sized houseboat
>
> the faux green simp wants every freaking GD citizen to pay 100 percent
> more in utilities, every freaking restaurant, car wash, munciple
> lighting, las vegas lighting, jails, more for hay bails, farting
> cows, even blue sows, PAY MORE!
>
> global warming is more a warning that DC is peeking in fraud
> to which as the sick and tired writer of this carbon freakout uncut
> poem will conclude
> Mr. and Mrs, Wishy Washy will not applaud.
>
>
>
>
There are many people with enough money who want alternative energy. Some even say that Israel prevents alternative energy because they fear the US won't care about the middle east.
If Brazil can afford to be free of energy, it must be cost effective. Right? If that is so, then why can't we save money through alternative energy? Even T Boone Pickens, who has plenty of extra money, wants to see what is good for America with alternative energy. What is the downside of that Option Girl?
> fear the US won't care about the middle east."
Israel has huge projects going for their own energy independence, nothing could be further from the truth. Let's not forget that they don't have oil, just natural gas. Their future survival depends upon it.
Yes, I have investments in alternative nrg. And, yes, I believe that fossil fuels are unavoidable because there are no energy alternatives that are sustainable without fossil fuels (whether it be coal, natural gas or crude oil). And yes, I am a huge advocate of nuclear energy and am actively following the development of thorium as an alternative to current nuclear fuel.
On Nov 05 02:24 PM Gary A wrote:
> Option Girl. I am not trying to offend. But since you are for drill
> drill drill, do you have positions that would oppose the establishment
> of alternative energy?
>
> There are many people with enough money who want alternative energy.
> Some even say that Israel prevents alternative energy because they
> fear the US won't care about the middle east.
>
> If Brazil can afford to be free of energy, it must be cost effective.
> Right? If that is so, then why can't we save money through alternative
> energy? Even T Boone Pickens, who has plenty of extra money, wants
> to see what is good for America with alternative energy. What is
> the downside of that Option Girl?
2. Israel is heads and shoulders above USA in clean energy technology. Don't forget that they have no crude, but they do have some nat gas. Do a Google search "Israeli research of alternative energy" and you will see pages and pages. Can you think of any other country on earth more in need of energy independence for strategic defense? They are also very clean conscious. They have built parks with all recycled products.
3. I am not anti-alternative fuels. I believe in nuclear power first and foremost, especially with thorium available as an alternative to Uranium.
4. I recognize the need but also recognize that fossil fuels are necessary because nothing can replace them. If it isn't sunny or windy, where is your alternative nrg, then? I also like biofuels, but not using food. Food should be used to eat.
5.Check out SYNM, LTPG ( used to be called Thorium Power until recently) and MEOH as three of my picks. Freya has a pick in Zenn Motors because of the eestor technology, but I am out of that for now.
6. Also looking to reenter GLW as clean tech play, but not at this level.
Alternative plays are with ceramics and batteries. All of these are clean(er) tech.
7. I believe being nrg independent is a top priority for strategic defense. Drill, drill, drill. And let's protect our infrastructure, too--while we're at it.
8. IBM, TTEK and NWPX (for h2o) which is just as important as nrg. Potable water is even more important to me.
www.syntroleum.com/mai...
www.methanex.com/
www.corning.com/index....
www.tetratech.com/port.../
www.nwpipe.com/
In my experience, the most knowledgeable persons about different methods of producing energy are often the same folks that recognize the reasons why fossil fuels are sometimes the correct answer.
For instance, such things as plastics and petrochemicals are difficult to source from the same energy alternatives usually cited.
The other element often lost in discussion of the now largely null "Drill, drill, drill" campaign launched by Solutions for America was that they also fully supported exploring and developing alternative energy sources.
For a fantastic article on the history of energy innovation in the 19th century (when crude became an alternative to whale oil, among many other simultaneous developments) and the parallels today, I liked reading The Objective Standard, Vol. 4 No. 2, Summer 2009 edition. The essay is entitled:
"Energy At the Speed of Thought" by Alex Epstein.
On Nov 06 05:08 PM tripleblack wrote:
> I love history references. If we spent more time learning applicable
> history, and less time listening to politicians, we would be much
> better off (and more likely to be doing smart things in the here
> and now).
><snip>
> 2. Israel is heads and shoulders above USA in clean energy technology.
> Don't forget that they have no crude, but they do have some nat gas.
> Do a Google search "Israeli research of alternative energy" and you
> will see pages and pages. Can you think of any other country on earth
> more in need of energy independence for strategic defense? <snip>
And, as far as I know, they plan to take advantage of their sunny clime in a big way too. They have a co (HelioFocus) doing concentrated sloar power installations that has ordered a developmental modified Capstone Microturbines C65 to generate electricity. The concentrated solar is used to provide the heat for the input stage of the (CPST) turbine directly to produce electricity.
" fuel free renewable solution offers higher solar conversion efficiencies over traditional solar photovoltaic systems"
and
"Utilizing Capstone's microturbine, our mutual goal is to develop a system that can operate entirely on sunlight."
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