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I could put on this bio my education, work experience, investment strategy, and a nice thin (if I can find one) picture of me in a suit looking *smart*. Sorry but that's not my intent here. Sure I invest, help family make financial decisions, and make a ton of mistakes along the way. But my time... More
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  • Interesting Times For All Commodities And Investments!! THE CONSPIRACY #2 143 comments
    Jul 29, 2013 12:10 AM

    THIS TOPIC HAS ALWAYS GOTTEN MY ATTENTION SO I THOUGHT I WOULD OPEN A CHAPTER THAT MAYBE OTHERS HAVE SOME THOUGHTS ON BESIDES INVESTMENTS. I CHANGED THE TITLE TO COVER EVERYTHING INCLUDING MACRO EVENTS THAT MIGHT EFFECT THE MARKETS !!!

    What started out as a small group discussing anything related to investing has grown extremely educational over the last few months.

    We have Authors, Financial Advisors, Seasoned investors, Experts in specific fields, and just the average Joe pitching in...

    Folks.. we are growing and posters like it. If you are new to investing then this site is for you.

    Here is the link to the READING MATERIAL !!http://seekingalpha.com/instablog/5038891-interesting-times/1998262-interesting-times-for-all-commodities-and-investments-reading-material

    HERE IS THE LINK TO THE PORFOLIO EXERCISE !!http://seekingalpha.com/instablog/5038891-interesting-times/2054352-interesting-times-for-all-commodities-and-investments-portfolio-exercise

    I am going to be the first one to admit that I haven't a clue when or if Gold and Silver will ever take off in price. I invested thinking they will though. Additionally I don't see much coverage or articles pertaining to the other commodities. So I started a blog where every commodity, and every investment is on the table for discussion. Even political questions. I only ask that you be courteous!!

    Someone posted the difference between being smart, foolish, and a moron. Well I have been all of the above and I will "man up" and admit it! However I came away from those experiences with both battle scars and knowledge.

    For years I have been reading basically any day now Gold and Silver will explode. I am by far a gold or silver bug. Yet somehow the can gets kicked down the road and I live to learn another lesson. Then Sprott's ETF'S (NYSEARCA:PSLV) are talked about as being safer then others (NYSEARCA:GLD) and (NYSEARCA:SLV).

    With all the QE'S basically not creating any new jobs what will be the consequences in the future?. Will we be "CYPRUSED "? Are we in a serious stock market bubble? Obviously we read daily about these concerns but what about other INVESTMENTS? Here is where most of us are uninformed and relish an education.

    Individual stocks are fine to discuss as well. All of us know that commodities should only be a % of your portfolio. I owned (NASDAQ:PSEC) and liked the dividend. Others may not ! So please feel free to entertain your picks and why!

    REE'S have been an interest for a few of us over the last couple of years. I had exposure to Lynas (OTCPK:LYSCF). Some posters might have questions about this group as well.

    If you disagree with a post please bring proof and display your argument. If you agree with a post, find one interesting, or have questions please feel free to respond. We must remember were all in this together. So if you want to talk politics and how it affects everyday life, fine with me!!

    Now if some have an opinion on Copper, Zinc, Palladium, etc. Do not hesitate to post that. Most of us might not understand the post but I am sure we'll be open to learning. Lumber might interest someone and I would like to learn why I should invest in it. PLEASE bracket any symbol as it also allows a reader to click on it and get some data.

    My part time job is a college and high school official so I can sit here and referee all day long. I honestly hope that ALL will be professional with their comments. So lets see who comes on board. Looking forward to what can become a nicely knit group of diversified investors.

    I have invited a few Authors whose work I admire to bring their expertise to the forum here as. Eric, Hebba, Doug to name a few, in no particular order, will drop in once in a while to voice their opinions. Please feel free to ask your favorite Authors to join in the discussion.

    These are highly recommended people that I suggest you follow as well. I have learned a ton from them and find their work both challenging and engaging. Two areas that I hope inspire people who normally don't post to now feel free to do so !!

    Now I also feel compelled to encourage the use of the like button. It is human nature that once someone posts and see the like button add up they will feel they made a valid point. Upon that feeling they will post again! So if you do like what someone posted, either a question or an answer PLEASE use it ! It might help our core grow exponentially as well

    LURKERS , we are waiting for you to post here too!

    We are living in some very INTERESTING TIMES !!

    Disclosure: I have no positions in any stocks mentioned, and no plans to initiate any positions within the next 72 hours.

    Additional disclosure: POST POLITELY...

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  • Interesting Times
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    Author’s reply » Ok, lets pick up from here ....
    29 Jul 2013, 12:25 AM Reply Like
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    IT:
    No. The New Pearl Harbor Revisited, is entirely about 9/11. 9/11 was sold to the country as a "Pearl Harbor" type of attack and as justification for unlimited war. Pearl Harbor here is more of a metaphor. This book is the best on the topic. Griffin has a new book also called, 9/11 Ten Years Later. I have not read it. The New Pearl Harbor Revisited is the one to read as it has a precise timeline of events and is meticulously researched.
    29 Jul 2013, 12:40 AM Reply Like
  • Interesting Times
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    Author’s reply » You guys just by your recommendations had me order both books on these topics for my kindle. I am sure they will make good reading material,

     

    I bought JW'S suggestions ABOUT 9/11 which I always had serious questions about how they pulled that one off. Not to mention the imploding of the buildings and why on earth did WT #7 COLLAPSE AS WELL WHEN IT WASN'T EVEN TOUCHED?

     

    Plus it was headquarters for quite a few of our agencies wasn't it?

     

    Few experts in the demolition business said it was done perfectly to implode all the way down and an assumption was made that the elevator shafts were lined with explosives..

     

    Boy, I got quite a few books to read as I also was recommended buying "THEY FIRED THE FIRST SHOT 2012" a friend of majoire that just went to a kindle edition. It got rave reviews and I am told it is riveting .

     

    USER, bowing out isn't the answer. Giving us literature to read is !! We can decide what side of the fence we want to sit on !!..
    29 Jul 2013, 01:40 PM Reply Like
  • John Wilson
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    IT: This is copied over from the previous blog. It summarizes some of my comments and info about the books.

     

    A comment on the books, but first this:

     

    IT --you hit on the exact very thing that opened my eyes. About 6 or 7 years ago one winter afternoon, I was just looking at some stuff on Youtube, and for no reason, I thought I would look at the collapse of the Twin Towers again. Then I saw a link to video of the collapse of WTC Building 7. I had never heard that other buildings collapsed too. I was mad as hell at the "terrorists" at this point in time. So I clicked on the link to WTC Building 7. There it stood, a 40 story building very much intact. It had some smoke from some fire, but nothing major. Them all of a sudden puffs of smoke came out from the sides and then the whole building just started going straight down into the ground, like a huge hole opened up underneath it and it about 5 seconds it was down completely.

     

    I was shocked. Immediately with no hesitation I knew that it was a controlled demolition. Shit !! that was a controlled demo (I said to myself). Intact steel frame buildings cannot just collapse straight down in 5 seconds. Then the question came automatically. If WTC 7 was rigged, then what about the Twin Towers? That's what the book The New Pearl Harbor Revisited, answers.

     

    Watch for yourself: The collapse of WTC Building t
    http://bit.ly/1aRKHOr

     

    Also, the BBC in England announced the collapse of Building 7 at least 23 minutes BEFORE it actually collapsed. The newsreader, read from a script and announced that "... the Solomon Building has just collapsed..." This was a live broadcast. Incredibly in the live background, unknown to the BBC, WTC 7 was plainly visible, still standing intact. How embarrassing. Oh crap, what a mistake. You can watch it. Link below.

     

    BBC reports collapse of WTC Building 7 23 minutes before actual collapse.
    http://bit.ly/1aRKFGj

     

    OK, about the books

     

    The Trillion Dollar Conspiracy" by Jim Marrs
    and
    The New Pearl Harbor Revisited, by David Ray Griffin,
    were two I recommended.

     

    User741 did not recommend any book about 9/11.

     

    I also mentioned, "The Terror Conspiracy" by Marrs, that pertains to 9/11

     

    User 741 mentioned "Rule by Secrecy", by Marrs, which I have and have read. User apparently does not agree with it as the the book maintains there are groups or entities that seek to control the human race. He (Marrs) has an alien theory about this. I think there are beings or entities: Hitler had one that appeared to him (the superman), but I would not say they are "aliens". That's another topic.

     

    IT, in ranking these books in order to read, to me it is a toss-up between reading The Trillion Dollar Conspiracy by Marrs, and The New Pearl Harbor Revisited, by Griffin.

     

    The Trillion Dollar Conspiracy moves much faster as it goes from topic to topic and really keeps your interest. The New Pearl Harbor Revisited, is a slower read, written in a well documented manner and required a good attention span.

     

    What does this have to to with anything?

     

    Oh, just two wars that cost about 1.5 trillion
    http://costofwar.com
    6,700 US servicemen&women killed. 50,000 wounded.
    100s of thousands of Iraqi and Afgans killed.
    At least one service person suicide a day, tens of thousands of PTSD cases.
    The cost is immeasurable.

     

    Oh and don't forget we have a new department: Homeland Security. We have the TSA groping goons with their backscatter radiation scanners.

     

    South and User don't want to have their mind changed. That's OK. I didn't think I was trying to change anyone's mind. I thought I was just providing information that anyone would want to know about. I would have wanted to know.

     

    Thanks for your response IT.

     

    Maybe others will read this and will want to find out about how we have been totally jerked around and lied to by those in power.

     

    Amazing. If some people get overcharged at the auto shop or garage, they get mad as hell. But if we have huge wars sold to us on outright lies, we just turn the other way. They don't want to hear about it.
    29 Jul 2013, 12:50 AM Reply Like
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    Author’s reply » @JW

     

    Well my brother was a fireman in NYC when this happened and he was told as a lieutenant to stand down in certain situations that he thought was unusual. Still until today he does not want to discuss much about it so we dropped it years ago,

     

    I was prodding and he was telling me I really don't want to prod about this !
    29 Jul 2013, 01:21 AM Reply Like
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    Author’s reply » JW

     

    I just bought it !! Check out the book I was recommended to read as it might fit in with what your interest are,

     

    I removed my post about the Pearl Harbor book once I realized I was wrong. But I think this chapter being broader will gain some traction.
    29 Jul 2013, 12:52 AM Reply Like
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    To anyone interested:

     

    By the way, of the 19 hijacker/terrorists named by the FBI, 7 of them turned up alive in their home countries after 9/11 and had nothing to do with 9/11.

     

    7 divided by 19 = about 37% (false). Hmmm...
    29 Jul 2013, 12:59 AM Reply Like
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    IT,

     

    I am confused about the different chapters and content that you want in those chapters.

     

    Can you clarify what is supposed to go where.
    29 Jul 2013, 06:35 AM Reply Like
  • Interesting Times
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    Author’s reply » @TAMPAT

     

    Sorry for the confusion.1) If you have a comment on any conspiracy, any , then please post it here. 2) You had listed a long commentary about the economy and what you think can happen like the reset button. Maybe post that here as well. 3) We can even talk about Kennedy, Pearl Harbor, etc.

     

    What I am trying to accomplish is separating stock picks in our regular chapter to other events a few of us think will impact our economy, and quite frankly our country. Plus cover ups as well.

     

    Hope this helps. The chapter that contained a few posts is corrupt so if I go to open it I get error messages for some reason. No virus but I think I set it up wrong.

     

    So I am hoping people will copy and paste what they posted there and I will just remove it completely at the end of the week.

     

    Did I clear it up ?
    29 Jul 2013, 01:14 PM Reply Like
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    Yep, I think so.
    So in the regular chapters all you want in there is stock talk, correct?

     

    Do posts about govt reports like GDP, CPI, UE, etc go in #2 or in the stock talk chapter?
    29 Jul 2013, 01:31 PM Reply Like
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    Author’s reply » @TAMPAT

     

    Depends, if you don't believe in the numbers and how they are reported put it here. If you believe them and just want to list it in a post for stock selections put it in the chapters.

     

    Now maybe you can put it in both with different comments on it ?
    29 Jul 2013, 01:43 PM Reply Like
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    They keep pulling me back...

     

    I will list a few books for people to read or use as references.

     

    I think this one should be in everyone's library:

     

    http://amzn.to/11pCRsm

     

    For a better understanding of our friend, the germ:

     

    http://amzn.to/11pCRsp

     

    If you really want a big reference:

     

    http://bit.ly/11pCONe

     

    For history buffs who might be intersted in the Templars and the Crusades and comparing Maar's and Dan Brown's interpretations of what happened:

     

    http://amzn.to/11pCONg

     

    For history buffs wanting to know about a real secret society and figuring out what the hell is currently going on in Syria, Lebanon, and Iran:

     

    http://amzn.to/11pCRsr

     

    I draw my own conclusions from what I read or have studied or have experienced. I would encourage others to do the same.
    29 Jul 2013, 07:53 AM Reply Like
  • CoinsK
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    I am putting this link up here because it's a book that's very interesting,it's written in novel form concerning 911 and Wall St. It also has an interview with the Rabbi that is the author.
    http://bit.ly/18jl9eA
    29 Jul 2013, 08:05 AM Reply Like
  • John Wilson
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    IT
    that almost sounds like soldiers coming back from war with combat experiences, and being told not to discuss what happened by superiors.

     

    There is Youtube footage (several different ones) of firemen reporting explosions in the WTC building. WTC 7's fire was caused by an explosion too (a bomb), not from collateral damage from the collapsing Towers.
    Firemen talk of explosions:
    http://bit.ly/13pjk94

     

    Firemen talk to detonations floor by floor and "pop-pop-pop" as WTC tower comes down.
    http://bit.ly/13pjk95

     

    IT-
    You can do your own google search for:
    "firemen speak of explosions in World trade centers"
    and have a lot of first-hand commentary by the people who were actually there and saw and heard it with their own eyes and ears.

     

    Very odd that the NY Fire Marshall was prohibited from investigating the WTC crime site by the FBI -- The same FBI that is now know (we knew it all the time) lied and fabricated a false investigation of the shooting down of TWA Fight 800 in 1996 off Long Island. Retiring FBI agents have now come forth claiming that they were forced to falsiy the TWA 800 investigation. They couldn't say anything earlier as they would have been fired. Still, they are at great risk for coning forward.
    29 Jul 2013, 10:50 AM Reply Like
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    Coins

     

    I have read that book, and I recommend it. It is fantastic, the historical reasearch the author did in connecting 9/11 with the birth of the United States and the significance of the Sycamore tree.

     

    The Rabbi/author uses (and does so correctly) a verse from Isaiah, chapter 9 verse 10.

     

    "The bricks are fallen down, but we will build with hewn stones: the sycomores are cut down, but we will change them [replant with] cedars"

     

    This alludes to the destruction and subsequent rebuilding which takes place with no repentance. What has been rebuilt at the site if the WTC Towers?
    THE ONE WORLD TRADE CENTER

     

    Is it any coincidence that George H.W Bush gave his "New World Order" speech on Sep 11, 1991 exactly 10 years to the day before the 9/11 destruction.
    http://bit.ly/14dNYII

     

    The 9/11 attack was the "catalyzing" event that they used.

     

    The only shortcoming of the book (it is a novel) is that the author did not consider that 9/11 was "inside job". I.E.
    LIHOP: "let it happen on purpose"
    MIHOP: "make it happen on purpose"

     

    He only viewed it as a judgement from God by the hand of our enemies.

     

    I would read the two books, The New Pearl Harbor Revisited, and/or The Terror Conspiracy, by Marrs in conjunction with the Harbinger which gives the "spiritual" background. The other two give the "what really happened" side.
    29 Jul 2013, 11:33 AM Reply Like
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    Author’s reply » @JW

     

    Let's just say my brother, from what little he would say, wasn't happy about what was going on. Things were being controlled fighting fires by the wrong people. Searches were put off for no reason he was satisfied with.

     

    He was on the job for 20 years and knew something was completely different in protocol and other areas but could do nothing about it. Nor does he want to expand on it either . But I can tell he wasn't a believer in what was being reported. IT DID NOT ADD UP TO HIM.

     

    I know what my thoughts are as I lived 5 miles from it ! As you can tell I don't Trust what I hear from our govt. one bit , never have going back in history.

     

    No need for me to google anything, I know where I sit on this one!!
    29 Jul 2013, 01:25 PM Reply Like
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    Author’s reply » JW

     

    For some reason I might be duplicating this comment but I cannot find it.

     

    I have friends that live on Long Island and swear they saw an upward projectile then an explosion only to find out it was a plane. You mentioned that naval activity was going on in that area at that exact time.

     

    Draw your own conclusions >>>
    29 Jul 2013, 01:46 PM Reply Like
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    @ CoinsK, JW

     

    Just to clarify... The author is not a Rabbi. He's based in Christian-theology.

     

    He uses title rabbi, in order to try to more easily convert Jews to Christianity.
    30 Jul 2013, 12:30 AM Reply Like
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    The smoking gun.

     

    What brought down the towers and caused pools of molten steel under the sites:
    Thermite, or thermate.
    Thermite burns at 4532 degrees F. Can be painted or applied to steel beams. Will liquify steel.

     

    The New Pearl Harbor Revisited, explains how this was done.

     

    Clue: Marvin Bush, George W's brother was on board of directors of the company that had the security contract for the WTC up to 9/11. They did "work" on the buildings prior to 9/11.

     

    http://bit.ly/13gTRCq
    29 Jul 2013, 11:12 AM Reply Like
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    Sorry not interested in the topic. Not because I "trust the government." But for the reasons I already listed.

     

    -----

     

    I looked into the conspiracy information back when it came out, and noticed...

     

    that if conspiracy proponents put the same level of questioning & challenging into their own "facts" and conclusions.... as they do into more standard facts & conclusions.... their stuff fails much worse.

     

    In other words, conspiracy theories rely heavily on an emotional component to pull in people. So there's a drive to "debulk" the standard, but no equal drive to "debulk" the alternative stuff by the same proponents.

     

    Also, I belong to an cultural group that's often been targeted over the centuries with intense conspiracy theories that are completely loony, yet believed, even as mainstream, by many. They stuff would be hysterically funny, if it wasn't often downright deadly. So, I tend to believe a theory, when I have a full and accountable set of facts. Not when it's a "set of questions" stage.

     

    Just my point of view.

     

    I'm going to leave it at agree to disagree and go back to the investing chapters.
    29 Jul 2013, 01:01 PM Reply Like
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    Author’s reply » @FOLKS.

     

    Check out the book THEY FIRED THE FIRST SHOT 2012 and read the description to see if it would interest you. I HAVE NOT READ IT YET, as I have a few to finish before that one !

     

    It came highly recommended..
    29 Jul 2013, 01:07 PM Reply Like
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    @ Curls , I wish they would accept the scientific evidence at OK. City. Primarily the fact that there were 2 separate, albeit simultaneous, explosions. There is no way a truck fertilizer bomb can cause a crater in the ground like the one at the Ok. City bombing. Why not ask the scientists for the actual processes involved there ? Because they don't say anything remotely close to the governments story evidently apparently..
    29 Jul 2013, 08:17 PM Reply Like
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    @ CoinsK

     

    Just not my point of view. I'm not into spending time on the topic though.
    29 Jul 2013, 11:26 PM Reply Like
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    Just to clarify the title Rabbi. Jesus was called Rabbi ,and of course Christian is derived from Jesus the Christ. I'm ok with both being correct.Rabbi means "Teacher" ,doesn't it?
    30 Jul 2013, 06:54 AM Reply Like
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    @ CoinsK

     

    The title of Rabbi didn't come into existence into many years after Jesus. For instance, the famous sage Hillel was not called Rabbi, who lived just before and during Jesus's time.

     

    While the job involves a lot of teaching, the term comes from "my master", meaning that they are the expert that you are learning from.

     

    The problem with this author & similar groups -- is that they in the 1960's & 70's they were called Hebrew Christians, but their goal was converting all Jews in order to speed the coming of the messiah. They decided in two conferences, that the best way was to pretend to be Jewish, so Jews didn't have to "leave their identity" in order to convert. Jews got a shock & were unhappy when the found --- their elderly approached in nursing homes, their teenagers and children approached then they weren't around, and the worst -- people showing up in their synagogues and services trying to quietly spot people to convert by getting their contact info to call later.

     

    So while Judaism is very open and fine with Christianity & most any religion (to each his own) this crossed the line. It also didn't work well for those groups, so they've switched to a more general intrusion, now claiming they are part of Judaism, i.e. "just another kind." They are no such thing. It's just a new way to disrespect Judaism & try to wipe it out of existence.

     

    It's why I commented earlier that their are groups that understand this, and while reaching back to older rituals & to Judaism... don't then pretend they are part of Judaism. Those groups and religion are fine and respected by the Jewish community.

     

    I know, long saga, but this guy is a yutz who's caused a lot of trouble. He'll then claim that he's the one being persecuted. (I was traveling with a devout Christian person at one point who spent time with the group.)

     

    It's like a group decided to be Christians-against-Jesus, and that's the new future of Christianity.... as a way to confuse the world on what Christianity's core meanings & identity are. No matter how intriguing some of their ideas, there are better ways than this to do them.

     

    So the problem isn't whether or not Jesus could be called Rabbi. It's the misuse of the term on purpose, to confuse people, on what the group is about. His theology is using the scriptures with Christian concepts. But - that doesn't mean it's wrong or uninteresting. Just not Jewish-based.
    30 Jul 2013, 08:14 AM Reply Like
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    But I have a single thought on the issue(At this time) .Were not ALL of the 1st Christians Hebrew?
    30 Jul 2013, 08:20 AM Reply Like
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    Curls wrote: "So while Judaism is very open and fine with Christianity & most any religion (to each his own) this crossed the line. It also didn't work well for those groups, so they've switched to a more general intrusion, now claiming they are part of Judaism, i.e. "just another kind." They are no such thing. It's just a new way to disrespect Judaism & try to wipe it out of existence. "

     

    Are you equating this to 'Replacement Theology' ?
    http://bit.ly/156uuFg
    BTW, I totally disagree with RP http://bit.ly/156uxkm
    30 Jul 2013, 08:26 AM Reply Like
  • Land of Milk and Honey
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    @ CoinsK

     

    Pull that thought apart and see what you mean by it. What do you mean by Hebrew? By 1st Christians? What does it have to do with now? And with respect for Judaism now?

     

    I put these as questions, because this topic is as big as the ongoing theological discussions between Christian and Jewish scholars happening for centuries.

     

    As related to the thread of discussion: You are mixing in together good theological, with the rather devious behavior of a particular group (set of groups actually). The problem isn't the questions, it's these group's purpose & methodologies. So the point isn't Christian-relationship to Judaism. It's that these folks try to override, and non-scholarly invade and wipe out the -identity- of Judaism.
    30 Jul 2013, 08:31 AM Reply Like
  • CoinsK
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    I did look up the term Rabbi http://bit.ly/13Wk494
    I am not sure that these "groups" have anything to do with Jonathan Cahn's ministry,although you seem to believe they do. Last post on the subject,I think we have veered too far away from the intent of this thread even .

     

    My earlier post should have read like this. BTW, I totally disagree with RT . http://bit.ly/156uxkm

     

    Late for work. Back to the coalmines :)
    30 Jul 2013, 08:43 AM Reply Like
  • Land of Milk and Honey
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    @ CoinsK

     

    Judaism101 is succinct and doesn't go into details. She gives the -role- of a rabbi, not what the word -means.- She's trying to differentiate from a priest's role, is all.

     

    Jonathan Cahn IS one of these groups. His site makes it clear, and he's a known group to the Jewish community.

     

    Glad to hear RT isn't your thing. That's part of the larger, much more complex theological discussions... that you are right, are way off track from this thread.

     

    The groups that call themselves Jewish while using Christian-based theology, in order to obscure & overwrite & confuse others about Judaism... the Jewish community has identified their theology as a form of RT. The groups themselves say it with phrases like "we are perfected Jews." Moreover, as your article points out most Christian groups do not believe in RT these days. It's part of why a group of Churches signed a group letter deriding these other groups' RT theology and methodologies. Interesting link BTW.

     

    The book (that was the start of this) may have some interesting ideas in it on 9/11 and wall st. -- it's just this aspect of the group that I wanted to point out.

     

    So back to the concepts on 9/11, etc, that were the thread here....
    30 Jul 2013, 09:05 AM Reply Like
  • John Wilson
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    Curls,
    You may be right about the author of the Harbinger not being a Jew. I did read the book not knowing anything about who the author was. I will say that the author has done remarkable research into the birth of the United States, and how it is tied to the WTC site.

     

    Also, his interpretation and comments on Isaiah 9:10 seem to be reasonable and in context. Though the verse applied to Israel, the US took the verse and quoted it after 9/11, and applied it to themselves when speaking of their rebuilding plan.

     

    I agree the author did try to write and speak in a "Jewish" voice (his characters were Jewish), but the message seemed to be directed to the US as a whole.

     

    The book however, did not address the question of "who pulled off 9/11". The author did not raise the idea of malfeasance of powerful people in the US political scene who had designs on the certain countries in the middle east.
    30 Jul 2013, 11:05 AM Reply Like
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    @ JW

     

    I never heard that verse used about 9/11. I don't tend to go down these lines of thinking, anyway but just in case you are interested, here's Rashi's commentary on that verse. (Rashi is a famous 10th century Jewish scholar.) It's a different view of the verse.

     

    None of that "Gd punishing" is Jewish-based in this way. That's what flagged me initially to check on the author.

     

    http://bit.ly/131LTtg
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    I still agree with the author at this point. And the 1st part of Isa. is well known as scripture concerning the coming of Jesus(The Prince of Peace). I don't know "Rashi" and do not trust his interpretaions as presented.
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    I still agree with the author at this point. And the 1st part of Isa. the 9th Chapter is well known as scripture concerning the coming of Jesus(The Prince of Peace). I don't know "Rashi" and do not trust his interpretaions as presented.

     

    Isaiah 7 th Chapter is in reference to who Isaiah 9 is referring to.
    A continuation in other words..Remembering Seminary I believe it was taught that the Chapters and verses were later added by people ,not the original writers.

     

    Then of course there is Isaiah the 53rd Chapter describing more about the suffering and purpose of Jesus here on earth as the Messiah .
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    @ CoinsK

     

    My point is that the interpretations aren't remotely Jewish.

     

    Rashi is not someone to trust or not trust. He's a central figure in Jewish study of holy texts from the 11th century (1000's) who's works are the bedrock of understanding the texts. He complied together knowledge of Jewish sages to that point in time in one set of commentaries. Only Maimonides is more well known as an extreme scholar in Judaism.

     

    I'm not going to argue the interpretations. You are welcome to believe whatever you want. I don't adopt things in a mystical way like this anyway. I simply presented to show the interpetations used by the author Cahn, aren't consistent with Judaism. And for JW's interest, to show what the Jewish ones are, if he happens to be interested

     

    Isaiah is interpreted very differently in Judaism and Christianity. Everything you describe about Isaiah, is not part of Jewish views. So obviously your interpretation will be consistent with the Christian one. That all goes into a totally new topic, that's way off from what started here.

     

    That was my only point, to give the Jewish interpretation of that one passage, in case JW was curious about it.
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    Curls:
    I did read the commentary at Chabad that you provided (thanks for giving this resource). The commentator interprets the "bricks" and "hewn stones" to represent kings: bricks = previous weak or bad kings; hewn stones = strong better kings. Commentator:

     

    " . . . [previous kings] were inferior, and they went away like a weak brick building that falls, but this one who is [king] now, is like a building of hewn stones, and similarly, cedars are superior to sycamores for construction"

     

    This interpretation ignores the literal or primary meaning intended by the prophet. The literal meaning should be taken first unless the context demands a symbolic interpretation, In this case, the literal meaning is quite reasonable and sensible; the context doesn't call for a symbolic interpretation. Also to suggest that the bricks and stones may mean kings may "twist" the meaning of the message prophet. Israel did not "build" with kings as if they chose their kings. They got stuck with bad kings. Bad kings "happened" to them. However the did get invaded by Syria as judgement and had to rebuild. G-d wanted them to repent. Instead they vowed to rebuild with stronger materials.

     

    Cahn (the author of Harbinger) goes with the literal interpretation of the verse - which seems to demand a literal meaning for "bricks" and "hewn stones". This appears to be what the prophet Isaiah intended. No disrespect to the Rabbi commentator quoted on Chabad, but theologians, commentators, Rabbis, professors can be wrong.
    -- extending this thought, just as in the financial world economists, financial analysts, and government spokespersons can be wrong too.

     

    No harm in believing the actual source himself - Isaiah, instead of a commentator.

     

    Cahn then goes one step further and applied this verse spiritually to 9/11 and the response of our leaders (that had no shred of repentance which was G-d was looking for in Isa 9:10) - they quoted this verse more than once in their vows to rebuild. And what did they build-
    THE ONE WORLD TRADE CENTER. Consistent with the NWO theme.

     

    I will say again, my reservation against Cahn is that he may have some "Neocon" leanings. He had no hesitation at laying the entire blame on Islamic terrorists, the "spiritual decedents" of the Assyrians who were the Biblical terrorists. I guess that went beyond the scope of his book.
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    @ JW

     

    Actually, the literal is NOT primary interpretation. It tends to miss the -context- that was already known about the text. In this case, it's a story about kings, so the symbolism of kings, is consistent with & essential to the point of the story. To remove that & go to using stones differently, is to ignore the core already known context of the story. THAT's Jewish viewpoint. Not mine, but core in Judaism.

     

    The "commenter" isn't a commentor. This is MAJOR BASIC interpretation used within Judaism. It has tons of history to it, and links that explain it. I'm not going into all of those - it's a lot of work.

     

    Just saying, Cahn's views are irrelevant to Judaism & are not consistent with how that is interpretated by major Jewish scholars for millennium of years. (Literally millennium.)

     

    For you, Cahn's views fit better, which is fine. That would make sense since you aren't coming from within Judaism :).
    31 Jul 2013, 01:09 PM Reply Like
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    For me, I was saying that it seems to be clear what Isaiah is saying in the verse. What the prophet said himself carries more weight than what subsequent writers have written about what the prophet said. Is not Isaiah regarded higher than the writers to whom the core beliefs of Judaism are attributed to?

     

    You have, the original writing of the prophet,
    ... then you have highly regarded Rabbis who write about what the prophet said,
    ... then you have subsequent commentators who write about what the highly regarded Rabbis wrote,
    ... then finally you have everyday followers of the faith who may believe something far removed from what the prophet said.

     

    You may different interpretations of the verse even in within Judaism, though I have not checked that out yet.

     

    As for Cahn, I just thought his interpretation was consistent with the literal meaning of the verse, and was not some sort of weird spin he was putting on it.

     

    I'm not trying to pretend to be Jewish, but
    Shalom
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    @ JW

     

    Shalom :)

     

    My purpose was -- Judaism & Jews get saddled with all sorts of stuff, that isn't true about Judaism. So I wanted to make sure Cahn's interpretation is not attributed to Jews & Judaism, in spite of his implication. I've accomplished that.

     

    On interpretation, I have no desire to debate it or discuss it. I'm perfectly fine with you having whatever one you feel good about.

     

    To have a debate is complicated, and long & I want to focus my attention on investments.

     

    So I purposely have not elaborated on how your way of interpreting works, vs. Jewish style. You are not accurate in claiming that Judaism is putting the author's writing below anyone else's. What's different is that Judaism doesn't ever take a verse by itself. There are always all the context around it that influences interpretation. So to study it, you have to go to Rashi & other scholars to collect information that effects context --- it takes a lot to get it all. I'm not interested in doing so. If you're interested & want to have an honest opinion, I'd suggest contacting a Jewish scholar & studying it that way... before coming to any conclusions. I'm sorry to be obsequies but it's complicated (starting with 4 levels of interpretation, Oral history, midrashism), and not what I want to dig up. So stick with what you have, and if you're interested in Jewish interpretation... check it out.

     

    I know from experience, that if an interpretation is very different from Rashi's, there will be fascinating information on verses around it, that make Rashi's make more sense. I haven't spent time on this passage, so I don't have it off the top of my head.

     

    Meanwhile, I accomplished my goal :) which was to point out that Cahn's words aren't Jewish, nor is he.

     

    PS Yes you can have varied views in Judaism. It's a huge part of the religion, lol. But it requires starting with the base of information, and then discussing what to do with it.
    31 Jul 2013, 07:43 PM Reply Like
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    Curls
    Thanks for letting me know about Rashi and Maimonides. I may like an "extreme scholar". Best wishes of success in your investing efforts.
    JW
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    @ JW

     

    Thanks! Best of investing success to you too!

     

    If you want more references on the Jewish stuff, if you PM me, I'll see what I can provide for good sites to start from. Otherwise, best of success in this area too!
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    This is a re-post from the other page that IT is going to delete.

     

    BSF
    What you are saying is that you trust the GOVERNMENT scientists. The NIST report is outrageously deficient in that it ignores hard evidence. It ignores first hand accounts or witnesses, NY Firemen and Police. It is as bad or worse than the Warren Commission Report with its single bullet theory to explain JFK's assassination.

     

    There are scientists, engineers, and architects who strongly disagree with the government story. The (gov't/ NIST) ignore the pools of molten steel at the base of the rubble. Burning jet fuel cannot melt steel. No steel building had ever collapsed before. These buildings did not just collapse, they were pulverized and melted.

     

    Government scientists will lie and distort the truth for the government. That is who they work for. They are not paid to produce the truth.

     

    I just added this:
    This may be news to some people, but the US GOV'T ROUTINELY LIES.

     

    Vietnam/ Tonkin Gulf incident - Lie
    Saddam Hussein: Weapons of mass destruction - Lie
    Saddam Hussein: nuke to be developed in "weeks" - Lie
    Al-Qaeda was training in Iraq: Lie
    TWA Flight 800: blew up due to shorted wires in fuel tank - Lie
    "We never imagined they would fly airplanes into buildings" - Lie
    29 Jul 2013, 01:15 PM Reply Like
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    Author’s reply » Ok non conspiracy people or others answer me this?

     

    1) Why are records from Kennedy's death locked up for close to 75 years for NATIONAL SECURITY? Really huh, why do the American people need to wait that long to see who killed their President? My guess is that most of us who lived through that will be dead as will the event.

     

    2) Does anyone really believe ONE person did all that shooting?
    If you believe so then I HIGHLY suggest watching that old movie JFK with Kevin Costner. It is still shown on HBO or other channels still today.

     

    3) If you believe 2008 had no govt manipulation within the banks then I suggest watching the movie Too Big To Fail and decide how close we came to a meltdown. Great actors in this one as well.

     

    4) Viet Nam... Why did we need to get involved and for so long?Kennedy did say none of our kids would fight their war. Then Kennedy isn't around?

     

    5) Vaccines that were discussed in the other chapter I hope get copied here for all to read and see.

     

    6) FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT. Explain to me that once we can get our hands on information suddenly most of it has black lines though important information?

     

    Yup, all sounds legitimate to me !!

     

    THOUGHTS !!!!!!
    29 Jul 2013, 02:23 PM Reply Like
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    Author’s reply » I might have answered my own question although I am still not sold on Kennedy's assassination

     

    http://huff.to/15smwEf
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    Happy 50th anniversary! JFK's assassination was most definitely a conspiracy. LBJ could not get elected to office on his own. He was able to win the 1964 election on the sympathy vote from JFK. LBJ's role was to hit the US with round-3 of socializing the US. (round 1-Woodrow Wilson, round-2 FDR)

     

    LBJ was "chosen" to be president. LBJ did not assassinate JFK, but it was done for him on his behalf so that he could carry out his role which he was able to.

     

    Happy anniversary!
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    IT
    Good question about Kennedy's assassination.
    "Why are records from Kennedy's death locked up for close to 75 years... ?"

     

    This the question almost answers itself. Of course, in 75 years all of the perpetrators will have died.

     

    I realize that there are people who still actually believe that there were not perpetrators and Oswald acted alone. They believe this because the government commission told them that this is how it was. For people who have an open mind here is shot at IT's question.

     

    There may another reason for the 75 year period. The year 2038 would be 75 years later. Perhaps they have plans that do not allow for the present form of government to be in existence, and in 75 years (2038), they can reveal everything, but it won't make any difference, because it will be an authoritarian state.

     

    Even now it seems like they do whatever they want with no consequences: Fast and Furious, Benghazi, Spying on and getting phone records of the Press, reporters and probably members of the House and Senate, and the IRS scandal. The response from PrezBO - about these:

     

    "...phoney scandals"
    Oh yeah, the president is actually the victim. He is being hit with "phoney scandals".

     

    These people do not investigate themselves and bring themselves to justice.

     

    In 12 years since 9/11 2001 they have made GIANT strides in a defacto dissolution of our Constitutional liberties and basic rights. And it seems to be escalating. I do think there is a time frame they have, and in this frame, there is not a government in their future that is going to come down on them in 2038. It will be THEIR government, not a government of and by the people. What we think about what they did to Kennedy won't matter.

     

    Look at the back of a dollar bill and the Seal with the "unfinished pyramid" instead of a capstone, what is there? --an "All seeing eye." What is it doing?

     

    It is SPYING of course! - sound familiar?

     

    No, it is not the "Eye of Providence" that's just the sales pitch for the retail buyers.

     

    NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM: "A new order for the ages"
    The pyramid is unfinished but they are finishing it now.
    30 Jul 2013, 01:09 AM Reply Like
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    Author’s reply » MF GLOBAL suing 11 banks...I kid you not. Now I am not sure this is a conspiracy but it might turn into one !!

     

    http://buswk.co/1e9bhlW
    30 Jul 2013, 04:13 PM Reply Like
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    IT:

     

    I am curious. Which book did you begin to read first? How far along are you and do you have any comments on anything you have read. Maybe you haven't had much of a chance yet with the investing contest kicking off. Maybe after the weekend?
    1 Aug 2013, 02:16 PM Reply Like
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    Author’s reply » @JW

     

    The 2 books you recommended I won't get to until September as I have a ton of personal stuff going on, this blog, and this is budget month for my condo association. I am the Treasurer.

     

    Plus I have another book to finish as well. But I will let you know what I think when I get to them. MY HONEYDO list is quite long too!
    1 Aug 2013, 02:52 PM Reply Like
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    Author’s reply » @FEAR

     

    If you find the time could you list out the standings after week number 1? I would include ROS and SOUTH just to see what their passive portfolios would do over a year with no changes.

     

    Maybe start from the bottom up so that i don't look as bad? lol

     

    Then i think we can do MONTHLY reporting if it takes too long to do. I believe you have everyone's portfolio, so if i am correct one posting with all the numbers would be more beneficial then everyone posting at different times. I guess just rank in order of total portfolio balance as i know some are all/partial cash still.

     

    Thanks!
    4 Aug 2013, 01:31 PM Reply Like
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    Author’s reply » I haven't posted anything here in a long time. But if you don't think Obamacare might have created a security risk for YOU then take a look at this. A lack of personal security for your vital personal info...

     

    http://huff.to/1aJBmth
    30 Oct 2013, 10:53 PM Reply Like
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    Author’s reply » AP report: The ethanol push is "an ecological disaster"

     

    The secret, dirty cost of Pres. Obama's green power push: The ethanol era has proven far more damaging to the environment than promised and much worse than the government admits today, according to an AP analysis. (also)

     

    As farmers rushed to find new places to plant corn, they wiped out millions of acres of conservation land, destroyed habitat and polluted water supplies, the report says; 5M acres of land set aside for conservation have vanished on Obama's watch.

     

    Government mandates to increase ethanol production have helped drive up corn prices, leading to marginal land being farmed to produce the crop; in 2012, 44% of the U.S. corn crop was used for fuel, about twice the rate in 2006.

     

    This doesn't sound good at all !
    12 Nov 2013, 07:33 PM Reply Like
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    Here is a comment to share from a comment that I recently left here:

     

    Interesting Times For All Commodities And Investments!! Chapter 39.... http://seekingalpha.co...

     

    A portion of us do believe that political events do have an impact on markets. As the 50th anniversary of JFK's assassination has now passed, here are some thoughts to share from this event as well as a glimpse of the role of the US president as I see it:

     

    My analogy on the JFK assassination is that one quarterback, JFK, was taken out (permanently), and replaced by another quarterback, LBJ. I don't think LBJ was the driving force of taking down Kennedy.

     

    To further my analogy, quarterbacks have quarterback coaches, offensive coordinators, head coaches, general managers, and team owners that all over-rule the quarterback. During the game, as you watch from the stands or on TV, many sheeple believe that the QB is running the show for their respective team.
    One parting thought. In 1960, JFK was marketable to win in a close election. LBJ would have lost that election in a landslide. He was groomed to become the president via JFK's running mate. The timing of JFK's takedown was also well timed as LBJ was able to run on the sympathy of JFK's assassination and the legacy that they built for JFK after his death. Another plan well executed.
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    OAG

     

    Did you know that if you go to the list of comments in your user profile that with each comment in your user profile, at the bottom of it there is a "link to comment" and if you click on it, the link will take you directly to that actual comment in the article. Then if you copy the URL in the URL address bar, the URL can be pasted into another comment or article as a link that will take others directly to that comment. The link you used above takes one to the article, but not to the comment.
    14 Dec 2013, 12:46 AM Reply Like
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    And a picture is worth a thousand words. From Chapter 39:

     

    In remembrance of the 50 anniversary of John F Kennedy's assassination, I would like to post this photo of the swearing in of LBJ.

     

    http://bit.ly/1jwomsd

     

    http://bit.ly/1c1goXc
    14 Dec 2013, 12:49 AM Reply Like
  • Land of Milk and Honey
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    Here's my response to Fabsy continued from the reading chapter... (I'm hoping to move the discussion over to this blog from that one).

     

    @Fabsy:

     

    Doctors leave medicare because the pay is ridiculously low and can't sustain a practice, (which hires office staff and billing specialist and needs equipment.) I've seen the numbers, and doctors are not overpaid. Hospitals run in the red. There are some specialties and procedures that overcharge, but for most part, it's not the providers that are a problem. For hospitals and clinics there are inefficiencies that rack up costs... but most of it isn't that either. So your thought that doctors operate as a guild and exploit, isn't the correct scenario in the U.S.. It's not what happened when ACA was forming.

     

    When it'd hlep if you talk about HMOs and insurancers as a separate entity from private buyers (you and I). That will help make points clearer. The lack of negotiation was only on one point, and only part of a long string of issues and complications. It's not the only nor biggest reason for ACA not to work or problems with the process of developing a health care solution. It's just one of the easily to put into words and point to.
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    Author’s reply » LOMAH

     

    Thank you !
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    Author’s reply » OK, someone explain to me how that interpreter got so close to our POTUS with supposedly a criminal background besides being a psychological individual ?

     

    I just don't understand our secret service competency anymore.
    13 Dec 2013, 07:42 PM Reply Like
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    It was birds of a feather, flocking together. They were perfectly compatible except the interpreter was less pretentious and more genuine.
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    Author’s reply » JW

     

    Made me chuckle..
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    Author’s reply » So now Gov. Christie knew about the lane closures on the GW Bridge when he emphatically denied it during a 2 hr news conference a while back..

     

    Person want's immunity... HELL. HE/SHE better ask for the witness protection program.. Were talking NJ here !!
    31 Jan, 04:26 PM Reply Like
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    High level Banking Executives committing suicide, or we are supposed to think suicide.

     

    Witness in JPM building:

     

    'Just watched the police finally remove that poor bankers body 4 and half hours later with only a white sheet over him.'

     

    They let everyone in the building see his body laying there on the roof of the lower building for four hours before they removed it. Was this to serve as some sort of warning?

     

    Read more: http://dailym.ai/1fzht6v

     

    Four banker suicides - US banker too
    http://bit.ly/1mNsQl6

     

    Alex Jones and Gerald Celente
    up to 20 bankers? in last year died?
    http://bit.ly/1fzht6x

     

    What is going on with this? There must be something that MUST be covered up. What is there that may possibly blow up this spring?
    1 Mar, 10:03 PM Reply Like
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    Author’s reply » Well whistle blowers seem to disappear more and more. Now it seems like Snowden was a spy as well. How he got clearance from the NSA is downright disgusting.

     

    Meanwhile Putin is schooling Obama... A veteran making or POTUS look like a rookie !!

     

    Olympics are over and BOOM...Troops move in.. I have to give him credit. Wish we had such a strong leader..

     

    I have heard stories about some bankers disappearing as well.. Sure plenty don't want to connect the dots.
    1 Mar, 10:18 PM Reply Like
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    Okay, but what is it that must not be known and must be kept totally silent? - to the extent that these deaths are not even reported? Something in the international banking world that WILL effect markets for sure.
    1 Mar, 10:45 PM Reply Like
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    Valid point John,nothing on the mainstream news about those suicides at all.
    17 Mar, 02:57 PM Reply Like
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    Unrelated but similar to the banker suicide story,

     

    Here are other groups of people for which there are unexplained deaths. They are unrelated to the dead bankers -- or are they?

     

    Dead scientists and microbiologists
    http://bit.ly/1fzk1Bp

     

    Who else does the CDC expect to die?
    http://bit.ly/1fzk1Bs

     

    They have recently "mobilized" these caskets too
    1 Mar, 10:42 PM Reply Like
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    Not only "where is Malaysia Airlines Flight 370?" but "Why is it missing?"

     

    On Fox Sunday with Chris Wallace, 3/16/14, Wallace interviewed chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, Texas Congressman Michael McCaul.

     

    Wallace: “Malaysian officials now say the plane's disappearance was deliberate, not an accident.”

     

    “ the communications system for the Boeing 777 were intentionally shut off in successive fashion 14 minutes apart … evasive tactics”

     

    Rep McCaul focuses on “Iranian passegers” McCaul: “We had two Iranians with stolen passports that were not checked with Interpol, which we would have done in this country. One-way tickets bought with cash that the hijackers were known for doing. “

     

    Wallace asks: “And there has been speculation that this plane may have landed somewhere with the hope that it could be used at some point later as a weapon, perhaps loaded with explosives. “

     

    McCaul mentions two destinations where terrorists would land the plan: Kazakhstan, and Indonesia, both Islamic countries. Also within reach would be Iran which is not mentioned as a possible destination.

     

    McCaul (via DHS < CIA) is feeding the public information about the the missing plane.

     

    McCaul is directing attention toward alleged Iranian hijackers and bringing up the idea that the plane may have been flown to an Islamic country to be packed with explosives to be used as a weapon. This of course would necessitate a first strike against such a nation.

     

    Will an Islamic nation like Indonesia or Iran be blamed for this event as a pretext for some international event to take place next month?
    Alleged Islamic terrorist plots with jet passenger planes have been used twice to start wars: Libya (Pan Am Flight 103) and Afghanistan and Iraq: 9/11.

     

    If they don't find wreckage soon, this possibility looms.
    16 Mar, 11:51 PM Reply Like
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    Author’s reply » JW

     

    I also believe that whomever went to such extraordinary steps to turn off the radar tracking devices did so not to crash the plane, but to steal it !

     

    Trouble is now finding it on land, and not out at sea ..
    17 Mar, 01:00 PM Reply Like
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    Yes, and how do you hide a 777 jumboliner?

     

    If an Islamic nation is accused of being an accomplice to terrorists in this act and is accused of harboring and hiding the airliner, how do they refute this allegation?

     

    It would be like Saddam Hussein trying to prove that there were not al Qaeda training camps in Iraq (not matter how absurd the accusation). It is hard to prove that something was not there not is no longer there.

     

    Will Malaysian Flight 307 reappear from "Lost" when it is used as a trigger for some future event?
    17 Mar, 07:10 PM Reply Like
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    Author’s reply » Ok, I give...I needed it to store my physical..
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    Whoopie - Condaleezza Rice is back dishing out warmed over Bush Doctrine, and people are actually eating it.

     

    NOTHING CHANGES. WHY IS THE REPUBLICAN PARTY BRINGING HER OUT AGAIN? This is more of the same from the Bush era.

     

    "Condoleezza Rice analyzes Ukraine crisis at California GOP convention" 3/15/14
    http://lat.ms/1fEsYux

     

    "Condi Rice wades into GOP politics". USA TODAY 3/27/14

     

    Former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, in a closed-door address to a group of Republicans this week, issued a spirited defense of a broader role for the U.S. in the world, saying President Obama’s leadership has left a vacuum that’s been filled by “dictators like Bashar al-Assad in Syria and Vladimir Putin in Russia.”

     

    INTERPRETATION: WE NEED A LEADER WHO WILL BRING THE WORLD TO THE BRINK OF WAR WITH RUSSIA OVER OIL AND GAS.

     

    Read more: http://bit.ly/1fEt0CG

     

    I am not a Democrat but if this is where the Republican party is heading, I am definitely not one of them either. Write in Jesse Ventura.
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    Condi can make statements in support of the establishment repubs, attacking the democrats and their leadership, and any statements directed toward BHO cannot be labled, "racist remarks", or waging a war against women. At worst they could label her an Aunt Thomasina, or something.

     

    Not likely I would write in Jesse Ventura in 2016 general election for President, but would consider him in a primary race. However, if I am convinced that a Lieberman-democrat is waging a significant write in campaign and that this will show a convincing divide in the democrat ticket for 2016-general, I would strongly consider writing in a conservative candidate in the '16-general. Not likely though.
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    Updates on Malaysian Flight 370

     

    Boeing 777 doesn't disappear unless governments want it to disappear
    Learn more: http://bit.ly/1giOpRq

     

    Indian Ocean search is a BOGUS DIVERSION.

     

    Was Malaysian Flight 370 controlled and landed at Diego Garcia Atoll US base for refueling tankers?

     

    DIEGO GARCIA
    http://bit.ly/1dMa89C

     

    IBM Engineer who was on Flight 370 sends photo taken from his phone with GPS coordinates of Diego Garcia.

     

    Hijacked IBM Engineer Successfully Dialed Out Of Diego Garcia UPDATED. March 30, 2014
    http://bit.ly/1giOqVe

     

    WHY??
    http://bit.ly/1giOpRs

     

    Yes it is "Alt-internet" conspiracy news, but the news you officially hear from media sources will be carefully selected for release by the "Official Sources"
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    Every time I see an update of the latest "search" for the plane, such as "mapping" the ocean floor, I feel like I [we] are being lied to and those doing the lying assume that everyone is too stupid to do anything but believe the story that the plane must have gone down there and disappeared without a single trace of wreckage or evidence.

     

    As the comment above states, a "Boeing 777 doesn't disappear unless governments want it to disappear" The Malaysians are being intimidated by another government to withhold information that the families of the planes passengers are demanding. If it didn't fly to China, and if it didn't crash in the Indian Ocean, about the only other place where it could have landed was the US controlled base on Diego Garcia.
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    The important thing here is that they are showing that they care very much to solve this mystery. Hopefully we are dedicating the most expensive resources that we could possibly justify in this search. It would also be nice to have some reassurance that all of the personal involved in this search mission are handsomely compensated and that they are also accruing very comfortable retirement benefits along with many other top shelve benefits.

     

    Who knows, maybe we will find some interesting things out there. Possibly some new and rare animal and fish species? Better yet, maybe they can find some previously undiscovered massive oil & natural gas reserves?

     

    Maybe we could also initiate further moon exploration missions on the heels of this tragedy too? I do recall that this 777 was reported to have reached excessive altitudes during its tragic last known flight. There must be some silver lining in all of this.
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    This isn't really "conspiracy" as much as it is undeniable corruption at the Fed and "rich guy" level. It is the way they have things rigged to work in their favor.

     

    Rich guys who attend the Bilderburger meetings and who also have "charities" or "foundations" do not do charitable giving as we understand it. Their foundations are created with mission statements that seem top state the noblest intentions, but in practice they further their own interests. We do not know what their interests are as we don't get invited to the their secret meetings.

     

    The "environmental" concerns of Steyer and Obama really means controlling natural resources and shutting out your political or business rivals.
    --Like using the BLM to shut out ranchers who had grazed cattle for 100 years on range land. Now Harry Ried,s gov't says they own it and the ranchers have to pay $1 mln in back grazing fees.

     

    Bill Gates, (mentioned with Steyer back in Chapt 61) has a foundation to mandate certain medical, drug and vaccines, people in the third world. He also is a pharmaceutical and drug co investor. When he transfers money into his foundation, is it a "charitable contribution?"

     

    Steyer is a little more honest. At least he up front about having political motives. But that "GIVING PLEDGE" where Buffet and Steyers and Gates want you to think they are actually giving to charity, is on of the biggest crocs I have ever heard. When you give money away, you do not have it or control it anymore. That is not the case when these guys give. They give to their own causes that may have veiled political agendas; the money is used to gain more control and influence.
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    IT
    "So where is the plane? Best guess..
    I know how I feel about all of this. Wonder where your head "

     

    I don't know where the plane is at this time. Whatever the purpose of its highjacking was, the desired "terrorist narrative" was thwarted - the staged event did not occur. Where the plane is now and what happened to the people is a question to be asked.

     

    One answer is that it is NOT AT THE BOTTOM OF THE INDIAN OCEAN. The SEARCH is a MEDIA EVENT. It is only for show. All alternative line of questioning have been squelched by the statist media.

     

    *It was not an accident; it did not crash
    *It was flown to landing strips in the Indian ocean controlled by the US
    *An IBM engineer sent a phone picture with Garcia Diego GPS coordinates
    *It may no ne just a coincidence that Obama was just in Malaysia meeting with the leader a few days ago to make sure they tow the line.

     

    Here is a link to a true investigative reported who has followed it closely and is tracking answers to the right questions.
    http://bit.ly/1rKFJJK

     

    This guy doesn't listen to the lies and and follows leads where the mainstream does not want you to go.
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    I ask again, where is that plane ???
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    Anyone have any thoughts on this? :
    http://on.wsj.com/1n4VLj2
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    Author’s reply » COINS and others....

     

    What is your interpretation of this? I know what I think, what do others think??

     

    Opinions ???

     

    Lurkers are interested..
    6 Jul, 09:31 AM Reply Like
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    I'll have to re-read this through a few more times. I am not as familiar with IMF-Queen, Christine Lagarde, although I think I may have met her several years back using the first name of "Christopher".

     

    This conversation appears to be scripted for both of these distinguished ladies. Well written. It sure seems like they are making their case for more powerful unrestricted central banking.
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    IT-
    Here is an article that discusses what is know about 370 and how what is know was distorted and false information given by the "official" sources. These were indications that it flew toward the secret US mid Pacific base of Diego Garcia and did not crash into the Pacific somewhere far west of Australia.

     

    The "who and why" is not known, but Diego Garcia is under high security US military control. The link below gives a theory as to how the plane was to be used and what happened to it. It raised grave questions about people who are able to control events with impunity.

     

    http://bit.ly/1r3ltFe
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    Christine Lagarde to Yellen:
    "Would you say that macroprudential tools are second fiddle to the main Stradivarius of monetary policy? Or would you say that, depending on circumstances, macroprudential tools become the premier violon and have to deal with the issues as a first line of defense?"
    --she actually said this.

     

    Coins: how about bullsh1t?

     

    Yellen:
    " more capital, higher quality capital, higher liquidity buffers, stronger and — arrangements for central clearing of derivatives that reduce interconnectedness among systemically important financial institution..."

     

    More capital?? Like how Cyprus got more capital?
    "interconnectedness??" does that mean no way to escape?

     

    MS. LAGARDE: "One — let me take you one circle further. You’ve beautifully demonstrated the efforts that have been undertaken from a macroprudential point of view in terms of the universe that you have under your jurisdiction. But this universe, being restricted and well supervised as it is, has generated the creation of parallel universes"

     

    "parallel universes??" someone tell me what she means by that.

     

    They use the word "defense" about 4 or 5 times but don't say what they are defending against.

     

    These two are in their own universe. THEY ARE WAY ABOVE US ORDINARY MORTALS.
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    From what I read IT, it means they- Central bankers are in their own world trying to hold their system together, and they are concerned about "parallel universes." What are parallel universes? That must mean any institutions outside the CB systems controls and reach.

     

    Probably gold, is a parallel universe, BRICS trade agreements may be parallel universes. It seems their concerns were with "defense" and control and holding their world or universe together.

     

    It is occasion to be concerned. They want to be "Masters of the Universe."
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    OAG
    I think that is true, and at the same we are not supposed to have a shred of understanding what they are really saying, and at the same time I am sure everyone present there stood up and clapped and cheered.
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    Author’s reply » JW

     

    I just posted that link in the chapter section. Very interesting !!
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    Author’s reply » JW

     

    Personally I just stared at the TV... Thought I was watching a Saturday Night Live mocking !!!
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    Link to story about IBM egineer Philip Wood, Malaysian flight 370 passenger who took selfie of himself with phone he managed to hide and sent from Diego Garcia, with imbedded GPS coordinates of location.

     

    http://bit.ly/1jt08EX
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    Author’s reply » JW

     

    So why the hijacking in the first place ?? I can't wrap my head around this just yet .
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    JW, Which Malaysian plane did they blow up over Ukraine? Is this the plane #370 that disappeared a few months ago?

     

    Would make for a nice insurance claim to claim this plane twice for total losses, and still end up with another plane off of the books for a suicide mission or??
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    I've been reading 'Treasury Wars' recently. It's supposed to be a celebration of how the US used the global financial system to put an end to easy financing of terrorism and it seems parts of that job were well done. To me (non-American) it read as a horror story of how govt can abuse its power on the international stage to choke off both illegitimate and legitimate finance.

     

    For example, I view the Ukraine and Iran situations as being entirely political. One country or group of countries takes a stance opposing another country's activities and uses the finance and trade system to damage it. Now, nobody ever did this to the US when they invaded (sorry I mean liberated) Iraq under contrived circumstances. Why? Well the US and west built the system so they feel free to use and abuse it as desired. So should anyone be able to use an international system of trade to attack another country? I don't think so and this book chilled me to the bone.

     

    If people in affected countries don't know they are actually at war just not with guns, they are deluding themselves. I believe that China and Russia are fully aware they are at war and are taking steps to fight back.
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    Author’s reply » WM

     

    Thanks for the info about the book. Consider dropping in on our blog as you can add some ideas outside of the states..

     

    IT ..
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    wmateri

     

    that book title sounds similar to "Currency Wars" by Jim Rickards [on my reading list] though his book would be the opposite of a celebration of the Treasury. The Treasury Wars are still ongoing. The T-men are at it now and are working to categorize any transactions that they don't like as "money laundering" and "financial terrorism". We talked about that a couple of weeks ago. Here is a link to a comment on it.
    http://bit.ly/1r3tc6a
    7 Jul, 01:19 PM Reply Like
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    Author’s reply » JW

     

    Treasury's War: The Unleashing of a New Era of Financial Warfare [Kindle Edition]

     

    I am buying this one !!!

     

    Read the info on it and let me know what you think !!
    7 Jul, 01:32 PM Reply Like
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    John Wilson - Very similar in many ways. I consider the recent "fine" against BNP Paribas to be nearly criminal and certainly political. The USA decided that some countries shouldn't be dealt with; they sanctioned them. Because the petrodollar has a position of "exorbitant privilege" in the world of trade (i.e. even trade in energy between European countries - among others - is conducted in USD though it doesn't affect the states at all), the US is able to enforce its penalty on unrelated banks and countries. Imagine if Russia said that Mexico was sanctioned and decided to punish a Canadian bank that facilitated such trade. Their would be global outrage. But the US can do the same with impunity. Just another one of the things to add to the list of why other countries outside the western 'sphere of influence' get mad at the west.
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    IT
    What happened to Malaysian Flight 370?

     

    Pro Russian Separatist commander who has military control of the crash site claims,
    "Many of the Dead Bodies from Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17 Crash Weren’t “Fresh”
    Read more at http://bit.ly/1zVvut5"
    Also
    http://bit.ly/1zVvQjo
    Claims that they were already dead before the flight. The bodies were in a more advanced state of decomposition. Film footage showed military personnel wearing face masks because of the odor. The FOX reported spoke the the smell of decomposing flesh at the site.

     

    Was MF17 really MH370?

     

    Is this how the MF370 passengers are disposed of? Was the plane not supposed to crash in Separatist controlled area? Russia has the bodies. What will we find out when they are ID'd. Will the US be desparate to prevent Russi from doing autopsies?

     

    Why is the shoot-down site and investigation somthing that the US should control?
    1. It was not a US Flight or US airline
    2. It did not fly to or from or over US airspace
    3. The US has no claim or authority here.
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    "US Secretary of State John Kerry told Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov that Washington was "deeply concerned" investigators were denied "proper access" to the crash site for a second consecutive day."

     

    "The United States is also very concerned about reports that the remains of some victims and debris from the site are being tampered with or inappropriately removed from the site," the State Department said."

     

    http://yhoo.it/1muPZ5Q

     

    US wants to control the investigation. My 3 points above that the US has no jurisdiction begs the question, Why?

     

    What will the Russians find out if THEY investigate or autopsy the bodies?

     

    BTW, I read MF17 was shot down on the anniversary (July 17, 1996) of the shooting down of TWA800.
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    Author’s reply » JW

     

    We just spoke about this at a family gathering today. Interesting you brought it up !!

     

    Not sure who or what to believe, but flying that plane in that location threw up a red flag for me !!
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    Can Vitamin C keep you from dying from Ebola?

     

    JimStone.com has a recommendation he received from a doctor sent to him by email:

     

    "Vitamin C does not kill ebola, it simply stops the ebola inflicted scurvy and prevents the way ebola kills - internal bleeding - from ever happening. Absent this feature of ebola, it would be harmless and a normal immune system will knock it out..." [btw, Vit D2 and D3 boosts the immune system too]

     

    Ebola kills by depleting vitamin C which causes internal bleeding and hemorrhaging - thus the zombie-like character of this death.

     

    More details about this here:
    http://bit.ly/1ptfo5K

     

    While the report by the unknown doctor cannot be corroborated, Stone says it "washes" with known facts about Ebola.
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    GIANT ELECTRONIC BILLBOARD SET UP IN TIMES SQUARE WILL SHOW THE COLLAPSE OF WTC BUILDING TO OVER 100,000 PEOPLE A DAY FROM 9/9 TO 10/4

     

    13th anniversary of 9/11 has passed but a giant 45 by 90 foot electronic billboard in TIMES SQUARE, NY will show the collapse of WTC Building in a 15 second ad that plays once every two minutes.

     

    Building Seven collapsed mysteriously - actually it is obvious that it was a controlled demolition - but the official investigation lamely attributed the collapse to "fires" Actually it said that there was a large storage room that contained some WOODEN DESKS, that could have caught on fire!

     

    UNBELIEVABLE.

     

    It is financed by the Architects for 911 Truth and asks for people to all for a real investigation with real answers. Will New Yorkers take notice or will they not care.

     

    This will be an interesting litmus test to see if people have been totally transformed into sheep.
    Billboard story:
    http://bit.ly/1oSaKKB

     

    Review the story of the collapse of Building 7 for yourself
    http://bit.ly/1aRKHOr

     

    Also i have a comment above talking about Building 7, see comment, 29 Jul 2013, 12:50 AM
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    I omitted that it is building 7 in the first sentences, that is shown. It is the third building that collapsed and was not hit or directly damaged by the airplanes.
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    Author’s reply » JW

     

    We spoke about this a year ago. I live in NY and have friends that were first responders. No way did that building collapse on it's own.

     

    We now find out that the CIA had a secret office in that building...

     

    HUMM.....
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    No statute of limitations on murder.
    But like George Carlin said in an offhand comment, "These guys [the USA owners] don't investigate themselves"
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    "These guys [the USA owners] don't investigate themselves"
    Correcto Mundo

     

    The largest corporation in the entire world .The United States.
    21 Sep, 05:54 PM Reply Like
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    Coins
    I read that legally the "United States" is a corporation located/domiciled in the District of Columbia.

     

    It is NOT the 50 states.
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    That's probably right .But they do believe they are supposed to "Rule " (BHO said in his speech in 2008) , from Wash. D.C. (District of Corruption).
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    Author’s reply » SO TURKEY SAID THEY WOULD NOT HELP US AGAINST ISIS... THINK THEY MIGHT CHANGE THEIR MINDS NOW ? WONDER WHY THE KURDS ALL OF A SUDDEN DID THIS?

     

    HUMM...

     

    http://bit.ly/1rdtE1U

     

    Did anyone help the Kurds here ??
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    IT
    Turkey is Sunni, the same brand ISIS says they are. Turkey also for some reason does not like the Kurds. BHO should muster any backbone he has and TELL the Turks to assist in helping the refugees. The Turks are in NATO aren't they?

     

    This is still about overthrowing Assad in Syria.
    Look at this investigative -outside the MSM article about McCain instigating the Arab Spring. He and BHO are on the same page.
    http://bit.ly/1rhCXiM
    22 Sep, 10:11 AM Reply Like
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    McCain is a Schill !
    22 Sep, 07:23 PM Reply Like
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    Author’s reply » GO AHEAD. TRY AND CONVINCE ME THAT THIS IS A COINCIDENCS. LOOK AT THESE AGES...

     

    http://bit.ly/1rrWV9p

     

    Think our msm would ever report this and have follow up stories ? I have family that were first responders.. I actually lived within a 3 mile straight line in the air from Ground Zero.

     

    Made my wife keep the windows shut as much as we could. Smelled smoke 24/7. Knew this was eventually coming !!
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    IT

     

    This was in the news a few years after 9/11, that first responders were having sever medical problems. I don't know about this particular story, but the gist has been reported in MSM enough for me to have seen it a bunch of times.
    28 Sep, 11:27 AM Reply Like
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    Author’s reply » LOMAH

     

    I AGREE it was in the news years ago. But most of the time it was usually followed up with a mention of these guys trying to tap out early and get 3/4ers tax fee pension.

     

    It was said just as you just posted. How can someone be sick ONLY a few years after ? Makes you wonder what our great Mayor actually knew. Was it that dangerous, Did we have a cover up ??

     

    Now I guess maybe people will agree that it is true. ??

     

    People don't fake a death for an early pension. For me the story has only just begun !

     

    It took a decade , but well get believers now,,

     

    Thanks for stopping by !!
    28 Sep, 11:51 AM Reply Like
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    IT

     

    I don't recall a single deriding remark about the first responders who were getting ill. It was not part of the bunch of stories I'd seen.
    28 Sep, 11:52 AM Reply Like
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    http://bit.ly/1ruROqb
    28 Sep, 08:44 AM Reply Like
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    CoinsK

     

    Those aren't accurate translations, even for ISIS.

     

    They use the context and concept that they are threatened by the west. THEN use Quran statements to justify "their struggle."

     

    So Quran doesn't say kill non-Muslims to get virgins. It says if you kill to defend Islam against non-Muslims, you go to heaven & get virgins. They then interpret defending to include aggressive actions of attack against anything "west" or "non-muslim in their way."

     

    The lying is also in context of lying to protect Islam against "attackers." They then interpret it's attackers as "the west" and also any (other) Muslim who's in their way.

     

    A lot of what they believe is justifiable is not from Islam, but is sub-cultural. No where does Islam justify targeting civilians and bystanders. Nor skipping trials.

     

    Needing 4 male witnesses is where Mohammed took law from Judaism. Judaism doesn't have the Sanhedrin anymore or use these laws and instead lives with laws of whatever lands they are in. In Judaism the 4 witnesses (at the time male-dominated court system except Deborah was head judge for a while) are needed so that a person isn't falsely convicted, same requirement with murder and stealing -- it was just plain hard to convict for ANYTHING in Judaism. Meanwhile, by the time you stood trial, if you'd messed up --- everyone in the small communities knew it.

     

    Koran doesn't allow beating of a wife in vague terms. You can use a branch smaller than your little finger and from shoulder height. Personally still unacceptable to me (and not used by most Muslims).

     

    (Judaism does not have other elements of Sharia in Jewish law. For instance, there is nothing about beating being allowed of your wife, nor about amputation. So they aren't remotely the same thing.)

     

    And so on.

     

    While I have nothing nice to say about ISIS, I do think more accuracy when looking at Quran is helpful, for other reasons.
    28 Sep, 11:24 AM Reply Like
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    typo: from arm raised to shoulder height.
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    Coins
    thanks for the holy scripture references.
    28 Sep, 11:34 AM Reply Like
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    Accuracy? It is in their Quran and they use it to kill people and mistreat women with,I don't get why you have an issue with it being noted. They are NOT a religion of Peace.
    How is murdering innocent Jews and Christians EVER justified LOMAH ?

     

    And when you write "Not used by most Muslims"
    Off the top of my head 1% of all Muslims is about 1.6 million radicals .That's quite a lot of hate IMHO being forced upon people around the world ,and Sharia Law has NO place here in the U.S. It's violence against Americans in disguise.We should not tolerate it ,it violates our Rule of Law and our Constitution that is designed for freedom of religion,not Islamic violence.
    28 Sep, 02:30 PM Reply Like
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    CoinsK

     

    How did you get that out of what I wrote?

     

    What do you think I wrote from top to bottom?
    28 Sep, 02:34 PM Reply Like
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    Your welcome John !
    28 Sep, 02:38 PM Reply Like
  • Land of Milk and Honey
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    Being nuanced is key to not developing straight up bigotry at others. Instead developing realistic self-defense against ONLY those elements that are dangerous.

     

    That list is NOT in the Quran. I described more nuanced details of what's what.

     

    If you can't get nuanced, I'm not going to try to explain it all again.
    28 Sep, 02:48 PM Reply Like
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    LOMAH,I believe you are playing the "bigotry" card in favor of PC babble . The fact remains that the Quran/ Koran says these things and a large amount of Islamist are using it to commit violence on people. It matters not a bit that they are correct in their interpretation of the Quran.It's not a book of Peace and their religion isn't either. Equivocate all you want . They are wrong,and now they are in America pushing their hatred.

     

    How about the nuances of the OK City beheading this week by an Islamist wannabe?
    28 Sep, 02:50 PM Reply Like
  • Land of Milk and Honey
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    CoinsK

     

    So you aren't even going to use the word nuance correctly. Take a breath and read what I wrote again. When you got so wrapped up in the fear and disdain, it can be hard to see what's written, accurately.

     

    I'll stop here. It's just going to get into repetitive back and forth which isn't worth anything for anyone.
    28 Sep, 02:57 PM Reply Like
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    Sorry you feel that way LOMAH. But I'm not buying what's being sold as a legitimate religion. It's not respectful of other beliefs ,and since the origin of Islam it's been full of violence and hate and is only getting worse. But America should not tolerate it at all.With fear ,comes courage as the antidote. So to all Americans ,I say Be Brave and resist!
    28 Sep, 03:02 PM Reply Like
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    Author’s reply » COINS.

     

    TODAY it is ISIS , Tomorrow it's another group. The whole Middle East is a mess. I could care less who we bomb. The majority hate America. Todays friends will be using the weapons we give them AGAINST us tomorrow !!

     

    Those beheadings aren't just one group. Most are animals who should become extinct as far as I am concerned.
    28 Sep, 04:02 PM Reply Like
  • CoinsK
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    http://bit.ly/1rmqyeM
    Does Islam believe in conquest of the world ?

     

    http://bit.ly/1rmqrzI
    What happens if A Muslim leaves their religion?
    28 Sep, 04:05 PM Reply Like
  • Interesting Times
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    Author’s reply » COINS

     

    As I have posted this week I have relatives in the military and they were pulled from their regular routine for training being in the desert !! Without supplies for a week.

     

    BOOTS ON THE GROUND are most likely coming AFTER the mid term elections !!

     

    Here we go again .......
    28 Sep, 04:10 PM Reply Like
  • CoinsK
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    IT, I wish we had listened to Ron Paul and stayed out of all of it.
    28 Sep, 04:47 PM Reply Like
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    Author’s reply » YUP

     

    Should have pulled up a chair and just watched them kill each other off. Sounds cruel but they aren't our friends. That's for sure !
    28 Sep, 04:49 PM Reply Like
  • Interesting Times
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    Author’s reply » anyone notice how were reading more and more about "boots on the ground" to beat ISIS ?

     

    http://bit.ly/1qLODoW

     

    Were being set up for the announcement some time AFTER the elections IMO !!

     

    How were needed to complete the job. Maybe something "drastic" will happen on our soil to pi@@ off our citizens to back this ??
    28 Sep, 08:28 PM Reply Like
  • CoinsK
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    Here's the reason it's a good thing an American had a gun when a Jihadist went to war on these women.
    http://bit.ly/YDp1EF
    29 Sep, 05:03 PM Reply Like
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    IT

     

    The former Liar in Chief, George W Bush was personally responsible for this. His admin pressured OSHA and EPA to back off and give a false impression of "no danger." Why? Was it to try to lay a blanket of denial of danger to avoid culpability, like the Dept of Def denying culpability for agent orange and Gulf War Syndrome? I think that is part of it.
    http://bit.ly/1rmbJbY

     

    Also they may have wanted no delay on accessing the site and controlling the suppression of any evidence of how the buildings collapsed.

     

    They coverup continues. Is the electronic billboard showing WTC Building 7 collapsing up and running in Times Square area?
    28 Sep, 11:33 AM Reply Like
  • Interesting Times
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    Author’s reply » JW

     

    My brother actually has a picture of him and his fireman brothers with Bush as he flew in by helicopter, I believe on Randall's Island, to tour the mess.

     

    This was a pure cover up as well at building 7 coming down. I worked down their years ago, People really need to see the distance apart to believe it was not heat related. Trust me it wasn't !!
    28 Sep, 11:59 AM Reply Like
  • CoinsK
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    ISILevant = 3 continents . The Islamist state is determined to control.
    28 Sep, 09:04 PM Reply Like
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    Coins, yes there needs to be a response to it.

     

    I am not in favor of more wars, but if ISIL is not opposed and destroyed, it could spread just out of fear of it and have a snowballing growth effect.

     

    Also it must be stopped on humanitarian grounds as they are targeting other religious groups, Christian and even other types of Muslims. They really get off on killing innocent victims.

     

    Stamp it out.

     

    Shame on the incompetence of Obama for letting them get this far.
    29 Sep, 09:01 PM Reply Like
  • Interesting Times
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    Author’s reply » FOLKS...

     

    LOMAH made an observation that most make. You might HEAR about it but in how much detail ? How much proof is shown?

     

    I physically was at the site where JFK was killed. I went on the tour in the depository. One question I have if you believe in ONE SHOOTER. Why didn't Oswald shoot at JFK when he was coming down the road, a straight line coming directly towards him? Easy shot instead of while he was driving sideways from him?

     

    Maybe to set up the triangle some of us believe actually happened. Why was the autopsy papers missing ?

     

    Watch that movie JFK with Kevin Costner in it. It might open your eyes if you keep an open mind. I am not a conspiracy person. Just like to think on my own once I see the facts. Not be told WHAT to think !!

     

    Most who were on site at Ground Zero think the answer for Tower 7 is a joke ! But even my brother has told us he really can't speak about it. HUMM....
    28 Sep, 12:52 PM Reply Like
  • Land of Milk and Honey
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    IT

     

    I didn't make an observation about any of the conspiracy comments here in any direction. So no idea why my name was included in your post.
    28 Sep, 02:20 PM Reply Like
  • Interesting Times
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    Author’s reply » LOMAH

     

    Now I will use your logic. Did I say you said anything about a conspiracy ? This is what you posted !! I added onto my thought process how you said you heard plenty about it. Yes you probably did, but not the whole story... You heard what THEY wanted you to hear.

     

    "IT

     

    This was in the news a few years after 9/11, that first responders were having sever medical problems. I don't know about this particular story, but the gist has been reported in MSM enough for me to have seen it a bunch of times."

     

    Then I responded..

     

    "I AGREE it was in the news years ago. But most of the time it was usually followed up with a mention of these guys trying to tap out early and get 3/4ers tax fee pension.

     

    It was said just as you just posted. How can someone be sick ONLY a few years after ? Makes you wonder what our great Mayor actually knew. Was it that dangerous, Did we have a cover up ??

     

    Now I guess maybe people will agree that it is true. ??

     

    People don't fake a death for an early pension. For me the story has only just begun !

     

    It took a decade , but well get believers now,,"

     

    Then I added ......

     

    "LOMAH made an observation that most make. You might HEAR about it but in how much detail ? How much proof is shown?"

     

    My point is you posted you heard it on the news but never mentioned the seriousness about it !
    28 Sep, 03:58 PM Reply Like
  • Land of Milk and Honey
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    It I posted this
    "IT
    I don't recall a single deriding remark about the first responders who were getting ill. It was not part of the bunch of stories I'd seen. "
    before your post.

     

    I already had stated that i'd seen the seriousness. There is nothing on their illnesses that you've described that wasn't in the MSM that I'd already seen.

     

    You then went onto conspiracies but I missed that you were saying there was one on this topic, that you've observed based on my postings -- because my postings said I'd seen everything you commented on already in MSM.
    28 Sep, 04:18 PM Reply Like
  • John Wilson
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    IT - it is very suspicious that the first responders, the Firemen and Police, like you report, aren't allowed to speak publicly about what they heard and saw.

     

    Initial reports speak of "explosions" within WTC buildings. Police and Firemen know there were explosions going off in Tower 1 and 2. They are now allowed to speak about it. Seismic recorders in upstate NY recorded it (sub-basement explosion)

     

    Here is recorded statements of first responders
    http://bit.ly/1pA1GJW
    First responders (covered with ash and blood) describe first and second explosions. They were inside when second explosion occurred.
    http://yhoo.it/1pA1GJX;type=

     

    Marvin Bush (George's bro) and the Planting of Explosives
    http://bit.ly/1pA1ESi

     

    For anyone who wants to follow up, maintenance work and renovation was being done upon steel columns within elevator shafts. Marvin Bush's company controlled the security.
    http://bit.ly/1pA1GJZ

     

    THIS IS A MUST SEE
    BBC REPORTS THE COLLAPSE OF BUILDING SEVEN TWENTY MINUTES BEFORE IT COLLAPES. iT MAY BE SEEN IN BACKGROUND AS THEY ANNOUNCE IT HAS ALREADY COLLAPSED. OOPS. Someone was off by an hour. Forgot they were on Daylight ST in the States. Screw-up.
    http://bit.ly/1aRKFGj

     

    The building can be seen clearly behind her - just behind her left ear, or the right side of her screen. The big rectangular building.

     

    (I also gave this link above on another 9/11 comment way up above, 7/29/13)

     

    Once again, the definitive book on this is, The New Pearl Harbor Revisited, by David Ray Griffin.
    28 Sep, 03:21 PM Reply Like
  • John Wilson
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    Correction to above,

     

    "Initial reports speak of "explosions" within WTC buildings. Police and Firemen know there were explosions going off in Tower 1 and 2. They are now allowed to speak about it. Seismic recorders in upstate NY recorded it (sub-basement explosion)"

     

    --Should say They are NOT allowed to speak about it:
    28 Sep, 03:44 PM Reply Like
  • John Wilson
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    Are food preppers going overboard?
    Did the US military cancel leaves after Jan 1,
    Did Schlumberger Intl cancel international travel plans for its employees ( 126,000) as of Jan 1, 2015?

     

    Why would these actions occur?
    War with Russia-- Financial war- escalating.
    A little background of this war is in my instablog article about SeaDrill. I cover sanctions.
    http://bit.ly/1izcNSq

     

    I said too much about them and SA would not publish the article. I pointed out the sanctions were actually a financial war. This is like FDR antagonizing the Japanese prior to Pearl Harbor.

     

    Here it the Article I am looking at from
    http://bit.ly/1AGlmmG
    "Western Bankers Have Committed Two Acts of War Against Russia"

     

    Disturbing Developments

     

    ...leaves for critical military personnel have been canceled effective on January 1, 2015.

     

    Schlumberger International is the largest oilfield corporation in the world employing 126,000 people in 85 countries... has [recently] canceled all travel anywhere in the world.

     

    http://bit.ly/1AGlmmI

     

    Finally
    US may use food as a weapon...
    against its own

     

    http://bit.ly/1AGlmmM
    Food preppers are NOT going too far.
    20 Dec, 02:45 PM Reply Like
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    Author’s reply » JW

     

    Funny, Mike did say that something could happen right after the holidays.. I tried to copy it again but i can't...
    20 Dec, 03:46 PM Reply Like
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