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  • Interesting Times For All Commodities And Investments!! THE PLAGUE ?? 106 comments
    Jul 19, 2014 2:39 AM
    Four Cases of Life-Threatening Plague Found in Colorado

    Scanning electron micrograph depicting a mass of Yersinia pestis bacteria. Photograph: Rocky Mountain Laboratories/NIAID/NIH Close

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    Scanning electron micrograph depicting a mass of Yersinia pestis bacteria. Photograph: Rocky Mountain Laboratories/NIAID/NIH

    Three more plague cases were found in Colorado, a week after the first infection of the deadliest form of the disease was reported in the state in a decade.

    The man initially reported with pneumonic plague on July 11 is hospitalized. Two of the new cases also had pneumonic plague, while the third had a milder form. All four cases may be linked to the original man's dog, which died from the illness, state health officials said.

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    The people newly-found to be infected were treated with antibiotics, recovered, and are no longer contagious. Health officials suspect the dog that died may been exposed to plague-infected fleas from a prairie dog or rabbit, said Jennifer House, a spokeswoman for the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment department.

    "We've had quite a number of cases this year," House said in a telephone interview. "We do believe the outbreak itself to be over."

    Colorado has had 60 cases of all types of plague since 1957, and nine people have died. Twelve cases of plague have occurred in the past decade in the state. The state's investigation is ongoing, House said.

    Western States

    There are three main types of plague. Septicemic plague occurs when the bacteria proliferates in the bloodstream. Bubonic plague takes hold underneath the skin. Pneumonic plague, the most serious, can be spread through coughing and sneezing and occurs when the bacteria enters the lungs.

    Plague in all of its forms usually infects an average of seven people yearly in the U.S., and is found mostly in the western states of Arizona, New Mexico and Colorado, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The disease is transmitted by fleas, which pick up a bacterium called Yersinia pestis in infected animals such as chipmunks, prairie dogs, ground squirrels, mice and other mammals.

    "While this is not a daily, weekly, or monthly occurrence, it isn't without precedence," said Jim Siedlecki, director of public information of Adams County, where the original victim lives, in a telephone interview. "A case of plague where fleas and prairie dogs are involved isn't earth shattering for Colorado."

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  • Interesting Times
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    Author’s reply » DO WE HAVE ANYTHING TO WORRY ABOUT HERE ??
    19 Jul, 02:40 AM Reply Like
  • JohnBinTN
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    Worry about the flu virus, if you're looking for something to worry about. Many, many more people die from it every year than from the various forms of plague.
    19 Jul, 08:08 AM Reply Like
  • Ordinary Average Guy
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    It seems as though many of these plague issues are coming out of Colorado. Could this be another possible use for marijuana?
    20 Jul, 12:29 PM Reply Like
  • JohnBinTN
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    The plague don't hurt if you're high...
    20 Jul, 09:49 PM Reply Like
  • Interesting Times
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    Author’s reply » JBT

     

    Define high.. High altitude ?? or stoned high? :)
    21 Jul, 01:19 AM Reply Like
  • al roman
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    Rocket Man ? is that you ?
    21 Jul, 05:40 AM Reply Like
  • JackB125
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    I wouldn't be too worried. Fortunately plague is caused by a bacterium (Yersinia pestis) that is treatable by many antibiotics, especially if caught early.

     

    The Bloomberg article said that all four victims were in contact with a dog that later died from the disease.

     

    This brings up transmissibility. Most forms of plague do not have airborne or fomite (simple touch) transmissibility. Unfortunately, pneumonic plague can be spread via the infected person's aerosolized sputum. But for a new victim to become infected, they would have to be in very close proximity to the infected person when they coughed or sneezed. This is because soon after the sputum dries out, it is no longer infectious. So, even with pneumonic plague, fomite transmission is out.

     

    Plague's well known history is what gets people excited. I know that when I hear “plague”, images of the 14th century’s pandemic come to mind. But, this is not the 14th century. The modes of transmission are well understood; and, when caught early, a wide array of antibiotics provide effective treatment. Lastly, transmissibility is very low in a modern society.

     

    A new “Spanish” flu is a much more alarming & more likely disease prospect that could cause serious and worldwide harm. And, there are worse things than that -- one in particular. New comment coming up…
    27 Jul, 02:53 PM Reply Like
  • PendragonY
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    Couple of things.

     

    1)All forms of plague have the same cause, Y. pestis. The different forms are just different places the infection effects. Note that the latest outbreak, all of people infected from the same dog, consisted of 2 different forms.

     

    2)Antibiotics will kill Y. pestis. However since plague kills you thru a toxin released by Y. pestis, you can kill off the infection and still die from the toxin already produced.

     

    3)Since Y. pestis is mostly spread by the bites of infected fleas, and we kill off fleas fairly quickly, it doesn't transmit easily.
    1 Aug, 06:57 AM Reply Like
  • Interesting Times
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    Author’s reply » where are my medical experts ??
    19 Jul, 02:46 AM Reply Like
  • al roman
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    I hope we do not have anything to worry about.
    19 Jul, 04:12 AM Reply Like
  • Bouchart
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    This has everything to do with the huge wave of illegals that just crossed the border and that are being dispersed around the country. Be on the lookout for reports of tuberculosis and measles too.
    19 Jul, 08:40 AM Reply Like
  • PendragonY
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    No, apparently wild life on the high plains are a reservoir of Y. pestis. So small outbreaks like this are not uncommon in the west.
    1 Aug, 06:58 AM Reply Like
  • madpup
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    I'm staying inside today because of you I.T.
    19 Jul, 08:41 AM Reply Like
  • Interesting Times
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    Author’s reply » MADPUP

     

    No football to watch though ??

     

    USER

     

    interesting about the flu !!

     

    BOCHART

     

    So what can we do to stop this ??
    19 Jul, 11:54 AM Reply Like
  • nocnurzfred
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    Heck, I thought plaque was that yellow stuff on my teeth. See, follow SA and anybody can learn something.
    19 Jul, 09:39 AM Reply Like
  • Interesting Times
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    Author’s reply » HOW ABOUT THIS ONE !!!

     

    Chikungunya virus contracted in U.S. for first time !!!

     

    Know anything about this baby ???
    19 Jul, 12:06 PM Reply Like
  • Interesting Times
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    Author’s reply » PEND responded with this ..

     

    http://bit.ly/1rquJ8U

     

    "“It is not known what course chikungunya will take now in the United States. CDC officials believe chikungunya will behave like dengue virus in the United States, where imported cases have resulted in sporadic local transmission but have not caused widespread outbreaks,” CDC said. Dengue has been seen in Florida and South Texas.

     

    “None of the more than 200 imported chikungunya cases between 2006 and 2013 have triggered a local outbreak. However, more chikungunya-infected travelers coming into the United States increases the likelihood that local chikungunya transmission will occur."

     

    The good news is people are immune after one infection."
    19 Jul, 12:08 PM Reply Like
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    Author’s reply » I THEN ADDED THIS !!

     

    "Chikungunya is not usually deadly, but it can cause a very bad headache, joint pain, rash and fever."

     

    Have to tell you I hate reading something that says "not usually deadly "... Tantamount to almost pregnant ??

     

    Plus the article I read stated a few people in Colorado had it, this one said Florida !!

     

    HEADING TO MY BUNKER NOW !!
    19 Jul, 12:08 PM Reply Like
  • Interesting Times
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    Author’s reply » http://bit.ly/1rqG7Sd

     

    CHIKUNGUNYA...MORE INFO TO DISTURB YOU !!
    19 Jul, 12:49 PM Reply Like
  • JohnBinTN
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    IT,

     

    You worry about stuff too much. Just relax.
    19 Jul, 05:23 PM Reply Like
  • al roman
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    It's going to be o.k IT i hope ?
    19 Jul, 05:26 PM Reply Like
  • Interesting Times
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    Author’s reply » JBT

     

    Just trying to stir up a conversation that's all. But I am worried about my JETS this year !!
    19 Jul, 07:35 PM Reply Like
  • Interesting Times
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    Author’s reply » AL

     

    Is it ok to sleep without wearing this gas mask ??
    19 Jul, 07:36 PM Reply Like
  • al roman
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    That's why Guys like us have to stick together and rubber stamp the whole group all the time like Rome used to do.
    19 Jul, 07:41 PM Reply Like
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    The chikungunya post infection immunity is very good news. With Dengue (also known as Breakbone Fever due to the associated severe pain), after the first infection, you are at risk of the hemorrhagic form of the disease if you become reinfected with a different strain. The hemorrhagic form of the disease is MUCH is more serious with a 26% mortality rate.
    27 Jul, 10:15 AM Reply Like
  • al roman
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    What are the statistic on mortality 74%,complications,pred... ?
    27 Jul, 03:13 PM Reply Like
  • PendragonY
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    ""Chikungunya is not usually deadly, but it can cause a very bad headache, joint pain, rash and fever."

     

    Have to tell you I hate reading something that says "not usually deadly "... Tantamount to almost pregnant ??"

     

    Not usually deadly means that if you get modern medical care soon enough you're okay. But if you wait long enough it has the potential to kill you.
    1 Aug, 07:00 AM Reply Like
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    Author’s reply » AS I CLOSE MY WINDOWS AND PUT ON 3 LAYERS OF CLOTHS.. BABESIOSIS ???

     

    Chikungunya joins another scary-sounding disease enjoying the limelight this week: babesiosis, a malaria-like illness caused by microscopic parasites that infect red blood cells and are spread by certain ticks. Six cases were reported in New Jersey on Thursday, with five other suspected cases being investigated, according to the Ocean County Health Department. Though not everyone who gets infected develops symptoms, babesiosis can cause fever, chills, body aches, and nausea; it can also lead to complications that include hemolytic anemia, unstable blood pressure, and even death — particularly for at-risk patients such as those who are elderly or living with compromised immune systems.

     

    SO WE NOW HAVE THE PLAGUE, MALARIA- LIKE , THE CHICK THING....
    19 Jul, 12:43 PM Reply Like
  • Interesting Times
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    Author’s reply » This Year's Mayfly Hatch Was So Big It Showed Up On Radar And Caused A Car Wreck (PHOTOS).....

     

    http://huff.to/1jWuL69

     

    Is this normal ???
    23 Jul, 11:43 PM Reply Like
  • JohnBinTN
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    Free protein. Tastes like chicken. ;)
    23 Jul, 11:56 PM Reply Like
  • Interesting Times
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    Author’s reply » Remind me to turn down your invitation for a barbeque..:)
    24 Jul, 12:22 AM Reply Like
  • al roman
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    No this is not normal our fragile planet who has a birth,life and a death just as we do,our mother is upset with us.
    24 Jul, 05:51 AM Reply Like
  • Interesting Times
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    Author’s reply » American doctor in Africa tests positive for Ebola !!!!

     

    http://aol.it/1o3nmgz

     

    Humm.....
    27 Jul, 12:39 AM Reply Like
  • Interesting Times
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    Author’s reply » Is it now heading overseas ??

     

    http://aol.it/1rV57Pn
    27 Jul, 10:28 AM Reply Like
  • al roman
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    IT it's time to stop and smell the Roses.

     

    We have an unspoken crisis with Lymes in this country just never left from under the rug.
    27 Jul, 10:33 AM Reply Like
  • Interesting Times
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    Author’s reply » Seems they just try to sweep it under the rug doesn't it ?
    27 Jul, 10:38 AM Reply Like
  • al roman
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    Let's just keep on keeping on.Life goes on.
    27 Jul, 10:55 AM Reply Like
  • JackB125
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    Smallpox – the disease that epidemiologists believe has kill more people over the history of mankind than all other diseases combined.

     

    Earlier this month, scientists found unsecured samples of smallpox in an old NIH lab. See http://n.pr/1ox9uQs . Whiskey-Tango-Foxtrot!!! This should have gotten the attention of the highest levels of government like nothing else; but, I doubt that it did. For sure, the officials and staffers at the CDC became quite excited – they know what smallpox can do. Whether they were able to convey the seriousness of this event or not, again, I don’t know. But, it did not stay in the press cycle all that long.

     

    So, how infectious is smallpox? Estimate of its R0 (how many new infections the index case would cause) range from 3 all the way up to 12. Since we are living in a mostly unvaccinated population that is now completely naive to the disease, I suspect that the high end of the estimates are the most likely. Probably the best and most well-known transmission case study was done at a hospital in Meschede, Germany. See http://1.usa.gov/1ox9uQt . This case study paints a very serious and grim view of airborne transmissibility. Also, keep in mind, this is a study of naturally occurring smallpox.

     

    In the last part of Richard Preston's book on smallpox, "Demon in the Freezer", he documents an Australian researcher's genetic modification of the very closely related virus, mousepox. The modification was designed to make the virus more lethal. This was done to create a possible method of controlling an unusual explosion in Australia’s mouse population at the time that was threatening the country’s food crops. The results? A 100% mortality rate in both the unvaccinated and VACCINATED mice. This bears a partial repeating – 100% mortality rate in the VACCINATED mice.

     

    The four key ingredients to produce the modified virus were: 1) graduate level genetics knowledge/experience (fairly common across the world); 2) access to a graduate level genetics lab (there are a zillion of these worldwide); 3) about $6,000 (the price of a used car); and, 4) access to the mousepox virus. The details of the mousepox modifications have been publically available for years.

     

    If similar modifications on the smallpox virus produced similar results in humans (the researchers believe this likely), the release of the genetically modified smallpox virus could create a near extinction event. Our only real safeguard against such a thing has been and still is the non-availability of the smallpox virus.

     

    This is why I find the discovery of unsecured smallpox samples in some random lab very, very disturbing.

     

    So, how likely is it that there are more unsecured smallpox samples out there? I have no real idea. But, I do know that doctors used to routinely collect smallpox scab samples from their patients and send them to public health authorities. Consequently, I suspect that there could be a dozen or more old samples sitting around in forgotten desks & cabinets across the world. Hopefully this is not so. But if there are more loose samples about, I really hope that they have been stored in such a way that they are no longer viable. The alternates could lead to a place I hate to even think about. We’d be better off with a zombie apocalypse.
    27 Jul, 03:02 PM Reply Like
  • Interesting Times
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    Author’s reply » JACK

     

    Thanks for the explanation of what we have to worry about. Please join our regular chapter as well. You seemed to be well informed !
    27 Jul, 04:22 PM Reply Like
  • al roman
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    IT you are right we as a species are playing a dumb stupid immature game with our collective futures in a sundry manner !Sorry.
    27 Jul, 04:26 PM Reply Like
  • Interesting Times
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    Author’s reply » AL

     

    I remember reading the article about the small pox vile's being found yet it was in the news for less then a day.

     

    This could of been some serious stuff !! Again, just brushed under the news reporters rugs...
    27 Jul, 04:31 PM Reply Like
  • al roman
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    It's not intentional i don't think it's just a mass state of apathy and exhaustion,we're under a lot of pressures.
    At least you are drawing attention to it.
    27 Jul, 04:38 PM Reply Like
  • al roman
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    So small Pox(Variant) would be #1 of the category of biological concerns ?tks.
    27 Jul, 03:17 PM Reply Like
  • Interesting Times
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    Author’s reply » Florida resident dies from flesh-eating bacteria, officials confirm !!!

     

    http://fxn.ws/1Ayj8HD

     

    Stay out of the water !!!
    30 Jul, 09:00 AM Reply Like
  • al roman
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    Really starting to see your point !
    30 Jul, 09:17 AM Reply Like
  • Interesting Times
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    Author’s reply » How bad can this get ???

     

    CDC director: Scale of Ebola crisis unprecedented

     

    http://aol.it/1AYQq30

     

    How smart was it to bring those two doctors to the states ?? I am not so sure it was a good idea !!
    7 Aug, 08:18 PM Reply Like
  • PendragonY
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    We have well established protocols for handling Ebola. For two patients its not a problem even if some of the African nations where it is active are having problems with the scale.

     

    And I speak from experience as there was an Ebola outbreak only a few miles from my current home back in the late 80s (how lucky was I to move closer to the outbreak site?).
    7 Aug, 10:48 PM Reply Like
  • Interesting Times
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    Author’s reply » What protocols do we have for a disease with no cure ? Running away ? lol
    7 Aug, 10:51 PM Reply Like
  • PendragonY
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    The protocols are to prevent the spread of the infection. And its not an incurable disease. Yes, it has a high fatality rate, but we do have plenty of treatments that can help your immune system fight the infection.
    7 Aug, 11:01 PM Reply Like
  • Ordinary Average Guy
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    I fail to understand the logic & rationale of bringing these two people to the US. If I understand this correctly, both of these patients took extreme caution to avoid contracting this disease, yet somehow they contracted this disease? And now we are taking extreme caution in dealing with these patients while bringing them to the US??

     

    Sounds equivalent to preaching the exclusive use of condoms to totally prevent unwanted pregnancy and std's.
    7 Aug, 11:08 PM Reply Like
  • PendragonY
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    The problem is that in a poor African country that is having its hospital system overwhelmed by an Ebola outbreak precautions can easily fail. In the US, we have 2 cases and a lot more money. Both the patients and the medical personnel treating them are safer here at a facility that is designed to handle such cases.
    7 Aug, 11:25 PM Reply Like
  • Interesting Times
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    Author’s reply » Two cases so far. I bet we end up with more. All i read is that it is incurable except for some experimental drug. Which hasn't convinced me that the patient can't spread it while being treated.

     

    Big mistake bringing them back to the states. Treat them there if it is that easy and curable..
    8 Aug, 12:15 AM Reply Like
  • PendragonY
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    HIV infection is incurable, Ebola isn't. If you get infected with HIV, you have it until you die. Not so with Ebola, if it doesn't kill you anyway, you can clear it from your body.

     

    And as I said, for a modern first world country like the US, its trivial to keep two infected individuals from spreading the disease.

     

    And yes, the US is at some small risk of an Ebola outbreak, but NOT from these two medical personnel. That risk will be from an individual not know to be infected with Ebola traveling to the US.
    8 Aug, 08:16 AM Reply Like
  • PendragonY
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    And here is what we are doing to stop the spread of Ebola out of the areas it is already in.

     

    http://bit.ly/1kO2Aa1?dcz=

     

    So basically we are helping to set up screening at airports to make sure infected people don't get on a plane.
    8 Aug, 09:02 AM Reply Like
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    After reading about the specific measures that will be taken at the airports, I feel better now. It looks like they have this under control and the Ebola outbreak should subside quickly.

     

    Too bad the airports did not get the chance to *manage* the two Americans that contracted Ebola before they contracted the disease. These folks could have been saved by the airports and their questioning skills.

     

    I'm still troubled that on one hand we have a potentially very dangerous disease in that it would seem to make sense to try to contain until if/when we are ever able to get control of. Then on the other hand, the experts come out and claim that there is practically no risk of this disease spreading by flying these infected people back to the US to be treated. Can those *experts* explain how these two people contracted this disease despite their aggressive precautionary measures taken to protect themselves? Where were the airports when we needed them.
    8 Aug, 10:11 AM Reply Like
  • PendragonY
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    These two people got infected in a poor African country that is having a hard time controlling the spread of the disease. Healthcare workers are at significant risk in contracting diseases like Ebola when the medical system is near (or even past) the point of containing the spread. That isn't the case here, as there are only 2 cases AND we have plenty of resources to deal with two cases of infection.

     

    Ebola is very contagious as it takes only 5 virons to infect you (if they get into your blood stream or eyes). When dealing with strained resources and hundreds of sick people, its easy for an infection to happen. When dealing with 2 cases and plenty of resources infections just don't happen.
    8 Aug, 10:30 AM Reply Like
  • Interesting Times
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    Author’s reply » All it takes is ONE person to start spreading this highly infecting and deadly disease. I am glad that the TA has the education to handle this !!

     

    Here all I thought they were just a bunch of people looking through luggage. Now I guess they can check my blood pressure before I board. I do get nervous flying !!
    8 Aug, 11:25 AM Reply Like
  • PendragonY
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    http://bit.ly/1kOxnni

     

    The Reston Ebola species is quite interesting. It is named Reston after the town in northern Virginia were it was first found in an outbreak among monkeys in a research facility in Reston Virginia. There was some indications that this speicies is able to infect people by an airborne route (similar to influenza). Luckily it transmitted to humans very poorly (and even when humans get infected, so far they remain asymptomatic). I currently live a few miles away from where that research facility was located, and at the time of the outbreak lived around 20 miles away.
    8 Aug, 12:19 PM Reply Like
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    IT

     

    Why does the US government Dept HHS, hold a patent on a strain of the Ebola virus? Yes, a patent. If I remember right only “inventions” can be patented. Also, naturally occurring compounds and living beings or their DNA cannot be patented. If Ebola is a naturally occurring or wild virus that somehow developed in the jungles of Africa, then I do not see how it could be patented.

     

    The strain they have a patent on is not the same one that is causing the panic now. They have transported the doctor who is infected and could have been treated in Africa, to Emory University which happens to be right next door to the CDC. They probably want to get the patent on this strain too.
    Emory U collaborates with the CDC and donated land for the CDC headquarters.
    http://bit.ly/1vvMpCV

     

    It is suspicious that Ebola broke out in three capital cities in three different countries in Africa within a short time span. “The capital cities of all three countries have been affected: Conakry (Guinea), Monrovia (Liberia) and Freetown (Sierra Leone).” http://bit.ly/1vvMpTb

     

    Remember my comment from chapt 73 about the interview with the retired US Border Patrol officer? He made reference to the outbreak in the three African cities at the same time.
    http://seekingalpha.co...

     

    Here is a direct link to his interview. The Ebola reference is at the 2:45 minute point.
    http://bit.ly/1nuzFYP

     

    Here is the link to the article about the Patents. Mike Adams raises pointed questions about the existence of the patents mentioned above.
    http://bit.ly/1vvMoik

     

    I'm just asking questions. Anyone else heard anything about this?
    10 Aug, 10:07 PM Reply Like
  • PendragonY
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    JW,

     

    "It is suspicious that Ebola broke out in three capital cities in three different countries in Africa within a short time span."

     

    No its not. First the outbreak started in a remote area of Guinea and spread just across the border into Sierra Leone and then spread into Guinea right where all three countries border each other. It then spread to the capitals of each, because each capital is a major hub for its country. This happened over several weeks into months.

     

    As for the patent, its no big conspiracy, its standard for viruses and covers not just the virus but all the stuff that would be needed to make tests to detect the virus and possibly make vaccines or some of what is needed to make serums to treat it.

     

    http://bit.ly/1oVhf2r
    10 Aug, 11:33 PM Reply Like
  • JohnBinTN
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    Maybe they want to put their Ebola strain into Monsanto corn and kill us all! ;)
    10 Aug, 11:48 PM Reply Like
  • John Wilson
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    Not too far off John. Monsanto is funding and partnering with Tekmira to develop Ebola vaccines. The CDC is allowing it to be "fast-tracked". The CDC will probably receive a royalty because they "own" or will own the disease.

     

    If only you had bought (NASDAQ:TKMR) a few days ago. I'm sure some that had inside knowledge did.
    11 Aug, 09:39 AM Reply Like
  • al roman
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    JW it's dropping like a rock the bleach worked.
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  • John Wilson
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    I see what you mean Al. I heard strong doses of vitamin C will work too. Avoid the "bush-meat." Especially the smoked fruit bats.
    12 Aug, 11:13 PM Reply Like
  • al roman
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    The guys work so hard and are so so under appreciated.
    13 Aug, 04:31 AM Reply Like
  • al roman
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    It has to be patented so the strategic advantage can be protected with potential compensation and leverage.
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    Author’s reply » DIGEST THIS !!

     

    Spanish priest dies of Ebola amid ethics debate....

     

    http://aol.it/1sO4UNn

     

    Apparently some groups don't like this experiment !!
    12 Aug, 01:29 PM Reply Like
  • al roman
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    I think you got the Tiger bye the tail IT,somebody(s) know something ?
    12 Aug, 01:55 PM Reply Like
  • PendragonY
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    Which groups would those be IT? Your article only mentions that the FDA had originally stopped a trial because of effects on healthy subjects, but has since modified its stance so the drug can be used to treat infected individuals.

     

    There isn't anything here to digest. Other than 3 people got it, two are doing better and one died. And the manufacturer of that particular drug is out of it for now.
    12 Aug, 03:37 PM Reply Like
  • al roman
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    Or it is just that we need to be protected from Ebola today !
    12 Aug, 03:39 PM Reply Like
  • PendragonY
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    Al,

     

    So Ebola kills many of those it infects. So yeah, we certainly want effective treatments for infected people. And I don't think its unreasonable to let people try experimental treatments when the odds are so against them without it.
    12 Aug, 04:13 PM Reply Like
  • Interesting Times
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    Author’s reply » PEND

     

    Then don't bring them back into the states when it is unproven. My god do you know one MINOR slipup and we were in big trouble.

     

    If were so sophisticated then treat whomever is effected overseas. Lets see if it is a remission or a cure. I don't like playing with fire !!

     

    I wonder why they modified their stance. Can't be pressure from a pharmaceutical company and a division of or govt could it ? Oh, I forgot those guys at the airport !! They wear gloves so it must be them !!
    12 Aug, 04:53 PM Reply Like
  • al roman
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    I hope the rods grounded.A good bleaching will take care of the area.
    12 Aug, 04:59 PM Reply Like
  • PendragonY
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    IT, you do understand that there is live Ebola virions in Maryland right? The US is studying this all the time. And two patients aren't a problem, they likely have more monkeys than this infected at any one time.

     

    Quality of care makes a big difference in who survives and Ebola infection. So why would we leave Americans in over stretched African hospitals?

     

    And the FDA modified its stance because hundreds of people are dying right NOW. Why are you so quick to see nefarious purposes?
    12 Aug, 06:23 PM Reply Like
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    Author’s reply » Yup. In a controlled environment. Those monkeys weren't flown here where a helicopter shot down could of caused an epidemic just like Africa.

     

    Now I will tell you I lived within a few miles on 9/11. Please don't tell me things can't happen. Give the Americans the best quality of care they needed, but overseas.

     

    You don't modify something you aren't sure will work just because people are dying . You modify something because it is proven to work !
    12 Aug, 06:31 PM Reply Like
  • PendragonY
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    "Those monkeys weren't flown here where a helicopter shot down could of caused an epidemic just like Africa."

     

    But getting a helicopter shot down isn't likely to cause an outbreak either.

     

    "Give the Americans the best quality of care they needed, but overseas."

     

    But they can't get that care in Africa. That's where they got infected! And where the number of cases to be handled is causing the medical systems of effected countries to collapse.
    12 Aug, 07:21 PM Reply Like
  • John Wilson
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    Hey guys, trust the CDC. These guys know what they are doing.

     

    They may misplace some smallpox virus occasionally, and accidentally exposes lab workers to anthrax, but other than that there is nothing serious to worry about in their handling of Ebola.

     

    They needed to have the doctor transported to Emory U so the CDC could get good samples of this virus so they could add it to the arsenal- I mean develop vaccines to add to the vaccine arsenal.

     

    The thing to worry about is just going to the hospital:

     

    In the United States, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimated roughly 1.7 million hospital-associated infections, from all types of microorganisms, including bacteria, combined, cause or contribute to 99,000 deaths each year … [Wikipedia] http://bit.ly/1lT6auv

     

    This number (99,000) is not to be confused with the 98,000 who die from outright medical mistakes in hospitals each year. This number is thought to be a conservative estimate.
    “In 1999, the Institute of Medicine published the famous “To Err Is Human” report, which dropped a bombshell on the medical community by reporting that up to 98,000 people a year die because of mistakes in hospitals“ http://bit.ly/1lT6auw

     

    Hospital related deaths may be the third leading cause of death after heart disease and cancer. It is true that the people who die may already have a problems, but this is not an excuse.

     

    The CENTERS FOR DISEASE CONTROL AND PREVENTION link listed in the Wikipedia quote is a gold mine of information if you know what to look for. I will give hints: There is a CDC building named after a guy who helped cover up “more than one shooter” evidence in the Kennedy assassination.

     

    The CDC has a “Zombie apocalypse outreach campaign” link too – [not making this up]

     

    The CDC headquarters is in Druid Hills of Atlanta, I like that.

     

    Article admits the CDC sent “several biological warfare agents to the Iraqi government from 1984 through 1989, including Botulinum toxin, West Nile virus, Yersinia pestis and Dengue fever virus.[11] “ - priceless information.

     

    Well, that's enough fun for now. Just watch for their new patents to be coming out in the future. Find out what plague virus they are patenting next, then buy stock in the pharma who will fast-track the vaccine.
    12 Aug, 10:51 PM Reply Like
  • Interesting Times
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    Author’s reply » JW

     

    Bingo, some just don't get it !!

     

    In fact after my 9 hour surgery my Doctor told me he wanted to send me home a day earlier then expected. When I asked why he said I can pick up too many infections staying there .

     

    I was in no shape to go home early but I did !!
    12 Aug, 11:07 PM Reply Like
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    Author’s reply » "But getting a helicopter shot down isn't likely to cause an outbreak either."

     

    Ok, I will bite, then why was anyone remotely near those two wearing so much gear to cover them up ? I was thinking to avoid catching it ?

     

    So if you shoot down a helicopter and the patients carefully packaged stretcher breaks apart were all safe ?? Really ?? Then why were they wearing it in the first place?

     

    You playing with me :)
    12 Aug, 07:41 PM Reply Like
  • PendragonY
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    They were wearing that gear because they were directly interacting with the patients. In a helicopter crash, same as if it didn't crash, unless you interact with the patients or the wreck, no chance of catching the disease.
    12 Aug, 07:50 PM Reply Like
  • Interesting Times
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    Author’s reply » So you are telling me that if that helicopter crashed in the middle of Manhattan were all safe ? That if the body parts were all over the streets it's not an issue ?

     

    Sorry, I am not buying that !
    12 Aug, 07:59 PM Reply Like
  • PendragonY
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    Wow, IT you worry about all kinds of stuff that never happens. And of course don't forget about JW, who will make all kinds of claims but ignore how much of a risk one faces.
    13 Aug, 07:32 AM Reply Like
  • Interesting Times
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    Author’s reply » "Wow, IT you worry about all kinds of stuff that never happens"

     

    NEVER say that to a person who lost loved ones in 9/11.. Or as I watch some friends who were first responders getting ill right before my eyes and the govt is doing nothing about it.

     

    Did you ever think those two buildings would collapse like they did. Or how about World Trade 7 collapsing for no apparent reason?

     

    Just being realistic . Ever think about that Malaysia jet anymore, or the BP spill, or ...never mind !!
    13 Aug, 07:43 AM Reply Like
  • al roman
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    The situation has become a bit of a concern.
    13 Aug, 07:51 AM Reply Like
  • PendragonY
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    "Did you ever think those two buildings would collapse like they did. Or how about World Trade 7 collapsing for no apparent reason?"

     

    No, I didn't because it was an unlikely event. For the most part it still is.

     

    And you are not being realistic. You are responding to the severity of a problem and not weighing the likelihood of it happening.
    13 Aug, 08:16 AM Reply Like
  • PendragonY
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    There is no reason to be concerned about the two Americans causing any outbreaks. Its far more likley that someone who traveled to the area, became infected there and then returned before symptoms developed will cause an outbreak. And that hasn't happened in any past outbreaks. There is some cause for concern now because the latest outbreak is so much bigger and longer lasting than those of the past.
    13 Aug, 08:18 AM Reply Like
  • Interesting Times
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    Author’s reply » I think you are the one wearing the blinders.. Done with this topic. I can see when someone has closed their eyes ..

     

    Unlikely events are the ones you are suppose to worry about.

     

    So were on the opposite sides of the street on this.
    13 Aug, 08:23 AM Reply Like
  • Interesting Times
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    Author’s reply » JW..

     

    Funny, This started in Colorado.

     

    http://aol.it/1qyJJ3g

     

    Humm...
    7 Sep, 09:59 PM Reply Like
  • al roman
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    Just make sure everything is in order very preferably tod and or pod.
    7 Sep, 10:17 PM Reply Like
  • John Wilson
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    IT
    One thing I have noticed is the news stories and the CDC make no effort to find out what the root cause of this sickness is, except to say it is related to the common cold.

     

    The best they can advise you is to wash you hands and don't touch your mouth or eyes. They will not tell you where this is coming from.
    It does not connect any commonalities between those who have gotten this virus.
    They don't identify who is at risk
    They don't say why it is certain children are getting this.
    What is notable about this article and others is WHAT THEY DO NOT TELL YOU.

     

    Why are certain children getting this? What is the connection to asthma?
    Why is there more asthma now?
    What common thread is there with those who have gotten it?
    Why the hell is there no real investigative journalism within the MSM? Why depend solely on what the CDC says?

     

    There will be dots connected buy not by AOL, ABC/NBC, MSN.
    8 Sep, 02:44 PM Reply Like
  • PendragonY
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    Oh, John, not again.

     

    The CDC knows what the virus is. Its a fairly rare virus related to rhino-viruses. Its called human enterovirus 68. Enterovirus infections start in the summer and outbreaks are common when kids head back to school. There is no "connection" to asthma. But again, as with ANY respiratory infection people with asthma are are greater risk for serious problems.

     

    http://abcn.ws/1lO7eoG
    8 Sep, 04:44 PM Reply Like
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    The bad thing about viruses is that they are messy replicators; that is, when a virus replicates, it is MUCH more likely to make a "mistake" and introduce changes in its genome than a bacteria would be. Most of the time, these mistakes are in the parts of the genome that seem to do nothing (a lot of all genomes appear to be unused code). Most other times, the mistakes will cause the virus to become nonviable or less virulent. But, occasionally, the "mistake" will make the virus much more deadly, or add a new mode of transmission, or both.

     

    We're actually subject to "new" viruses all the time. Fortunately, 99.999% of them are benign. For the few new ones that aren't benign, there is still a good chance that our immune systems will be able to handle the new organism and keep us safe. But, we are talking about BIG numbers when we talk about new viral organisms. And, when the numbers are big enough, we WILL see new bad actors (e.g., the Hantavirus that appeared in the central US in 1993). This is just SOP for the "messy" nature of virus replications.

     

    Where we have put ourselves at much higher risk for very bad outcomes to a new virulent pathogen is in how we have structured modern life. More of us live in dense urban environments than ever before -- a perfect environment for the efficient spread of a new contagious pathogen.

     

    Modern travel compounds the transmission potential 10x or more. Partially recirculated air on passenger airlines that travel to virtually all parts of the world every day. Bio-warfare specialists probably couldn't come up with a better method of spreading pathogens.

     

    Moreover, the dense populations & constant worldwide travel help to amplify the mutation of all human pathogens. So, the conditions of the modern world not only help to efficiently spread new pathogens, they also help to increase the rate that new pathogens appear.

     

    Skipping back to the Ebola epidemic... What concerns me is that the outbreak has lasted so long. I'm becoming worried that perhaps some strains of the current virus have gone the way of Ebola Reston & acquired airborne transmissibility. It was the airborne transmissibility of Ebola Reston that really scared the USAMRIID (main government agency in charge of handling acts of biological warfare headquartered in Fort Detrick, MA) folks that handled the cleanup & decontamination of the monkey holding area in Reston, VA back in 1990. Fortunately for us, Ebola Reston did not cause disease in humans -- pure luck on our part.

     

    An airborne version of a human pathogenic Ebola virus in our modern urban environments with daily worldwide travel is the true nightmare.
    8 Sep, 05:13 PM Reply Like
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    Pendragon
    yes they have a name for it, but they are reporting this like it has never happened before and they have no clue what it is. I do not ever remember this as a "every year about this time kids get it" regular sickness. It is reported as something unusual.

     

    You sound like there is a causal relation of going
    back to school and getting this virus. Sorry, it is not a regular back to school event.

     

    The words MYSTERY VIRUS, UNPRECEDENTED, and RARE are being used.

     

    ABC reports it as, "Unidentified Respiratory Virus Likely to Hit Kids Across Country."
    http://bit.ly/1lOfrt3

     

    Not usual at all: Not business as usual.
    8 Sep, 05:49 PM Reply Like
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    Author’s reply » JW

     

    That is why I posted this. Wasn't Colorado where they brought back those two sick doctors? Maybe something tagged along with them ??
    8 Sep, 06:47 PM Reply Like
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    Author’s reply » JACKB

     

    Welcome. Some interesting comments. Do you have an expertise in this area ??
    8 Sep, 06:48 PM Reply Like
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    John,

     

    "You sound like there is a causal relation of going
    back to school and getting this virus. Sorry, it is not a regular back to school event."

     

    But in fact there IS such a relationship, as well as for any infection that tends to start up in the summer months. Basically the infected kids go back to schools to expose a whole new bunch of kids!
    8 Sep, 06:57 PM Reply Like
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    Author’s reply » PEND

     

    This time it sounds different. I agree with kids going to school and getting sick. But not this quick.. and not this bad..
    8 Sep, 07:05 PM Reply Like
  • PendragonY
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    Its a rarer disease that few have been exposed to before. There isn't anything different other than that.
    8 Sep, 07:51 PM Reply Like
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    Hi IT,

     

    No formal expertise at all. My last "formal" (Ha!) training anywhere near this area was my 1975 High School biology class. I just get interested in things & start reading. Emerging diseases (and some of the oldies) became interesting a few years ago & off I went. "The Coming Plague" by Laurie Garrett was a favorite & anything by Richard Preston was really good.

     

    I like to tell my kids that the world is an interesting place & the internet has made it so easy to explore!

     

    It looks like you have a wide area of interests as well.
    8 Sep, 09:24 PM Reply Like
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    Pendragon
    You are telling me how it spreads. You are not telling me where it came from.
    8 Sep, 09:54 PM Reply Like
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    IT
    In brief:
    EV68 appeared to be involved in a 2009 outbreak of polio-like disease in California.[5] In August 2014, the virus is suspected in an outbreak of a respiratory disease in eleven U.S. states that has been particularly dangerous for children with asthma or under the age of 5.
    http://bit.ly/1w9yuSq

     

    Outbreak resulted in "polio-like disease"
    8 Sep, 10:11 PM Reply Like
  • PendragonY
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    Entroviruses can cause polio like symptoms, as they are related to the polio virus as well. Its not typical however. And if you follow your link, you will also see that some 30+ million infections happen each year for these viruses.
    8 Sep, 10:57 PM Reply Like
  • Interesting Times
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    Author’s reply » JACK

     

    I wanted a blog that was open to people who invest and have other interests. Me personally, I question everything.

     

    To illnesses, disease, lies by our govt, manipulation, etc.. Consider joining our other chapters and join our portfolio challenge. It is a lot of fun practicing trades for free !!

     

    Have you seen the link listed in the blog? It is worth it because it is real time trading so you can try things out and see how they do. If you need help signing up just post it in the chapter and someone will help you.

     

    Starting out with 100k is nice to practice with. Plus you will make plenty of friends as well.. Come on join us !!
    8 Sep, 11:10 PM Reply Like
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    Author’s reply » PEND

     

    No interest in our portfolio challenge ?? It is fun !!
    8 Sep, 11:11 PM Reply Like
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    Author’s reply » JW

     

    Going from a cold to critical isn't normal. Sorry Pend I don't buy this is normal first day school sickness..
    9 Sep, 02:19 AM Reply Like
  • PendragonY
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    IT,

     

    Entrovirus infections aren't rare or uncommon. Some 30+ million happen each year, and some 10K+ end up with serious problems because of it. This particular outbreak is of a rarer strain (or at least at this time that's what it appears to be), so again, while of some concern this isn't that big a deal. Looks to be a fairly normal outbreak on the more severe side of the range.
    9 Sep, 07:39 AM Reply Like
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