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    Sep 7, 2012 10:27 AM

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  • We end the week with the market drunk on ECB blather about unlimited bond purchases to shore up the PIIGS. Who do they think they are? They don't hold the global reserve currency the US does. We're the only ones allowed to export inflation via the printing press. We also have china desperately trying to avoid a hard landing with shovel ready infrastructure jobs. http://bit.ly/NY5TFs I guess they intend to link all of the ghost towns they built with their last stimulus with solar powered high speed rail service. Then there is the DNC convention. It started with the debt clock reaching $16T http://bit.ly/5BsyVl during the first lady's stirring speech and ended with the release of a horrible jobs report following the Kings speech. Did you notice that the 4.5 Million the administration claims to have created is actually only 300,000 http://exm.nr/UxTjlb Fitting book ends for a failed president's nomination by a disgraced accused rapist, proven liar and lech who was impeached, held in contempt of federal court and disbarred. He's the four star general conducting the war on women none other than slick Willy Clinton. I noticed that while King Voldemort was beating his chest over killing Bin Laden he neglected to mention Afghan war casualties which he is responsible for 70% of http://bit.ly/Rt6ejS I suspect a pull back from recent highs will be forth coming soon but with the week we just had we need a reality check. Have a great week end all.
    7 Sep 2012, 11:14 AM Reply Like
  • Ferguson, Robert,B.:
    That was hilarious. How can such tragedy be framed so glibly?
    Weekend, good one, have.
    Put Oct 12th on your calendar:
    http://bit.ly/Q9n1Kl
    Re: Clinton-- He's given up cigars, he's turned another leaf, he's an elder statesman now.
    7 Sep 2012, 11:50 AM Reply Like
  • Getting ready for war?
    Canada is closing the embassy in Iran!
    http://yhoo.it/P8dYLT
    7 Sep 2012, 12:03 PM Reply Like
  • One small step after another.
    7 Sep 2012, 12:12 PM Reply Like
  • "Getting ready for war?"

    That was my reaction, OG. Question is, how long before others follow suit?
    7 Sep 2012, 01:04 PM Reply Like
  • This needs to be timed and orchestrated to do the most good for the re-election efforts. That is all that matters is my guess. It is a very strategic political move.
    7 Sep 2012, 03:16 PM Reply Like
  • Ack! Yet we've been talking about ME warfare occurring Sept/Oct this year, for three years.

    As I have written about here and there for the past six months or so, and others have posted links proving this to be so, the US is ever so quietly buiding up Naval power in the Persian Gulf.

    Cynical "us Renegades" have been thinking for some time that an outbreak of war would throw the election right into Obama's lap. Wouldn't it be queer if Obama somehow slips in the polls, and all of a sudden Iran becomes headline sucking news?

    Recent developments:

    Netanyahu wants a "clear red line" about Iran developing nukes:

    http://bit.ly/P2gWQz

    Oil and banking embargoes toward Iran (oil production in Iran has fallen from 4M barrels per day in May, to 2.9M barrels per day in July):

    http://bo.st/Qsi4hS

    War with Iran a 48% chance of happening (from the Atlantic, written this past March)

    http://bit.ly/Qsi1CI

    Then there is this article from "The American Thinker" posted just today:

    http://bit.ly/P2gWQB
    7 Sep 2012, 04:08 PM Reply Like
  • Maya - Thanks for the links. Here is a move I suspect could give them an alternative.

    http://yhoo.it/QnCrJz

    Sec. of State officially declares Haqqini Network a terrorists group. I suppose we know where to find the leader and after demonizing him in the press we'll take him out quickly to show America how bin Laden should have been dealt with. Just another possibility to throw into the hat as to how the Prez could use the military to reach for more votes by painting himself as a decisive leader in foreign affairs and the fight against terrorism.
    7 Sep 2012, 05:10 PM Reply Like
  • K202, I think the timing in this case is determined by Iran and Syria. Saw another report today that claimed Iran had sent 200 high ranking, experienced "revolutionary guards" to Syria along with multiple tons of ordnance to support Syrian regime.
    7 Sep 2012, 05:27 PM Reply Like
  • So, the focal point is still Syria for the moment. A U.S. military intervention could topple the Syrian regime in a few weeks, if that is the objective. And then the brotherhood can take over there, too.
    7 Sep 2012, 05:57 PM Reply Like
  • Oy, Gee: Greetings. I will indeed put that on my calendar. Thanks for the links. I'm going to re post the Canada story on the breakfast club thread. Good zinger too starts the week end in a good frame of mind.
    7 Sep 2012, 12:12 PM Reply Like
  • Eastwood on his speech at the RNC:
    http://bit.ly/QrLZqg
    7 Sep 2012, 12:15 PM Reply Like
  • For the record: I also thought his presentation was clever and down to earth. That is something the left cannot and would never consider to attempt.
    7 Sep 2012, 12:40 PM Reply Like
  • "For the record: I also thought his presentation was clever and down to earth. That is something the left cannot and would never consider to attempt."

    And the indignation expressed by MM media and talking heads about Eastwood's satire tells me they understand he was on the mark and extremely effective.
    7 Sep 2012, 01:08 PM Reply Like
  • The next few days polls should be interesting. If the Prez gets no meaningful bump from the DNC he's going to get desperate. What sort of terrible act of terrorism might befall U.S. citizens that could warrant a military reprisal in the ME?
    7 Sep 2012, 03:20 PM Reply Like
  • That is a very interesting and cynical observation, K202. My husband said something similar the other night. He thought if the me ignites, people won't want to bring in someone new.
    7 Sep 2012, 03:36 PM Reply Like
  • The ME is indeed the wild card but it wouldn't necessarily be beneficial for the King. $150 PBL handle on crude oil would be a distinct possibility. With most of the energy sector firmly against the king $5 a gallon for gasoline would be the end result. Coupled with the perception that he has been weak in confronting Iran it could effectively scuttle the kings chances. I'm not sure if the UK wants four more years of the king either. They may well have calculated that another ME war would be the death knell for this administration. I can't see how the administration could stay out of any military action in the Persian Gulf involving the UK or Israel. According to the article the UK pulled their Tehran embassy and expelled Iranian diplomats some time ago. This just ratchets things up a little. Top French and German diplomats have left their embassies in Tehran as well. While those embassies remain open it begs the question: For how long?
    7 Sep 2012, 05:22 PM Reply Like
  • That is exactly my point. And don't doubt that BO would stoop to that level if necessary to get re-elected. Just my opinion.
    7 Sep 2012, 05:59 PM Reply Like
  • "The ME is indeed the wild card but it wouldn't necessarily be beneficial for the King. $150 PBL handle on crude oil would be a distinct possibility. With most of the energy sector firmly against the king $5 a gallon for gasoline would be the end result."

    Given that crude oil supplies are ample at this time and constrictions in refining capacity and transportation of refined products are the market realities, news reports that the Administration is about to announce a large release of SPR crude oil supplies strikes me as one more signal of imminent military conflict. Lead times for SPR withdrawal are 45 - 60 days.
    7 Sep 2012, 06:00 PM Reply Like
  • Robert - I don't expect an attack on Iran before the elections. Instead I think a surgical strike to take out the Syrian regime, quick and efficient, would work better in the press and have a much more muted impact on oil prices, especially if it is over in a matter of days. Cut off the head and the snake, without a leader, will die. Then the revolutionaries could advance quickly without further assistance from outside.
    7 Sep 2012, 06:06 PM Reply Like
  • In that scenario the risk becomes conflict with third parties that have vested interests in maintaining the Asad regime. Turkey and the Arab League could implement no tactical vehicle no fly zones as NATO did in Libya. Or NATO could attempt it. In either event the Russians, Chinese and even Iran and Venezuela could become the rub. http://onforb.es/NgLGPi
    7 Sep 2012, 07:17 PM Reply Like
  • If Israel has an opinion on who should be our next President, they could certainly impact our election by either choosing to act or choosing to wait. I have heard it suggested that Romney would be a better ally to Israel. Wouldn't this suggest that they wait until after the election to act? And I don't think action against Iran by the US is credible unless Israel is involved, so that would only leave some game changing event that would justify war. Barring an attack by Iran or a terrorist event (real or imagined), I think we will not take action in the middle east until after he election. In other words, I don't think this will be our October surprise. I could be wrong, of course.
    7 Sep 2012, 05:08 PM Reply Like
  • DM: Good to see ya! Isn't is a ridiculous shame that ME warfare used as a political trump card for Obama getting back into the White House, or not, is being discussed at all?

    Maybe we should look at it from the standpoint of who Iran would like best in the White House. Afterall, they are the saber rattlers.

    I don't care who is in office when it comes to this matter. If Iran has a nuke or five, I want them taken out.
    7 Sep 2012, 05:18 PM Reply Like
  • I think politics stopped ending at the waters edge sometime during the Vietnam war. Bush was accused of trying to leverage 9/11 for political advantage as well. I think we're too cynical to think that foreign policy decisions are made without political implications and probably rightly so.
    7 Sep 2012, 05:41 PM Reply Like
  • "Maybe we should look at it from the standpoint of who Iran would like best in the White House. Afterall, they are the saber rattlers."

    Iran was more than happy to stir the pot in Afghanistan, Iraq, etc. to pin U.S. troops in place, inflict U.S. casualties, and encourage continuing U.S. aid flows bleeding U.S. coffers and weakening the U.S. economy. I rather think Iran would rather see another Obama term than to see a capable, efficient manager in charge and pursuing U.S. interests.
    7 Sep 2012, 05:50 PM Reply Like
  • D-inv: Greetings. I have to agree with that assessment.
    7 Sep 2012, 06:04 PM Reply Like
  • DM, Maya: Greetings. As DM and others pointed out the timing of this is key. Russia is issuing it's own warnings http://natpo.st/NZY95V while the EZ continues to make preparations for hostilities. I have no doubt that we are on the road to a confrontation with Iran but am uncertain of the reaction from Iran's allies and neighbors. Should NATO get involved where would Turkey and the Arab League come down? This is clear as mud, but one thing is certain, It's an ill wind that bodes well for no one.
    7 Sep 2012, 05:54 PM Reply Like
  • Watch Syria. Very important to the overall picture...
    7 Sep 2012, 07:25 PM Reply Like
  • TB: Greetings. Indeed K202 and I are discussing that very thing upstream a bit. Have a great week end TB.
    7 Sep 2012, 07:32 PM Reply Like
  • Yes, Syria is very important, but I think it's more on the level of a Lybia, and could be that Facebook once again could be USA's best ally.

    Iran is another kind of rascal altogether.
    7 Sep 2012, 09:30 PM Reply Like
  • Lebanon is Syria's client state, via Iran vassals there...

    Syria is hence Iran's client state, in a sense, at second hand...

    Much internal political capital is involved with Iran's leadership factions and their surrogates in Lebanon and Syria...

    Putting pressure upon Syria puts pressure upon Iran, and along some very tender fault lines...

    The eventual fall of Syria may seem anticlimactic (just as with Libya) when it transpires, but the echoes in Iran bear close observation, also Lebanon...

    What will be the impact of disruption of Syrian control over the wilder factions in Lebanon? The least to be expected would be more civil war within Lebanon, and more attacks by various groups on Israel.

    Will we be seeing some peacekkeeping efforts in Lebanon follow a new Syrian regime? Turkey (NATO member) is involved, with national honor attached and a freshly Islaamo-centric ruling party ready to flex its muscles. The Arab League is very focused and has been building its own military options over the past year. Lebanon is perhaps THE example of a broken national identity in the Middle East, and the history of failed peacekeeping efforts is long and ugly...

    I see Syria as the key, the linchpin, holding much of what could be viewed as a "stable structure" (which is a wild exaggeration, really, but for lack of a better phrase...) together in that region. This would not be the first time that the elimination of a noisome, totalitarian dictatorship destroyed stability beyond his own borders, and was the key event that involved both regional and world powers in a dangerous confrontation.
    8 Sep 2012, 09:30 AM Reply Like
  • This surprised me. Ryan's the spokesman but Romney had to approve!
    http://yhoo.it/Rvvsy0
    8 Sep 2012, 01:57 AM Reply Like
  • Hmm, a more libertarian view?
    8 Sep 2012, 03:03 AM Reply Like
  • Interesting comment thread there too. Self described liberals and conservatives all coming out in defense of states' rights. Is that some sign of the apocalypse?
    8 Sep 2012, 03:06 AM Reply Like
  • States rights are issues which are roundly ignored and denigrated by liberals and some conservatives whenever they are in power and this aspect of the US Constitution threatens their ability to make their agendas reality - but are quickly embraced whenever they see themselves losing power and need to obstruct the other side's agenda. Ideology has nothing to do with the phenomenon, it is all about realpolitik.

    The minority of Conservatives who actually care about such things on a regular basis are those whose votes often do coincide with the Libertarian ideology, however, so the overlap is real if difficult to quantify when the shifting of power is uncertain, such as is now the case.
    8 Sep 2012, 09:37 AM Reply Like
  • "Self described liberals and conservatives all coming out in defense of states' rights."

    :-) Liberals mouthing positive tones about states rights tells me they have read some handwriting on the wall.
    8 Sep 2012, 10:11 AM Reply Like
  • It's in keeping with the 10th amendment arguments used during the ACA fight and the SCOTUS decision regarding Obamatax. The Robert's decision clearly upholds state's rights by forbidding the Federal government from withholding tax revenue (Medicaid.) if states don't comply with the exchanges mandate. That decision also established a clear limitation on the elastic commerce clause. Both were unanimous decisions. Those decisions will stand as precedent long after Obamatax is repealed.
    8 Sep 2012, 11:07 AM Reply Like
  • ":-) Liberals mouthing positive tones about states rights tells me they have read some handwriting on the wall."

    You could be right. I was hoping it might actually be attributable to the idea that there may be some issues that liberals and libertarians agree on. Medical marijuana seems to be such an issue. Legalization and taxation of marijuana maybe only slightly, both because many liberals do not want it legalized and libertarians would only want it taxed as a tactical way to may it legal. The ideal, of course to the libertarian would be to simply make it legal, or in better libertarian phraseology, "stop making it illegal".

    When I think of all the federal money we waste arming people to fight weeds, I just have to shake my head. We have foresters running around putting out brush fires (thereby making forest fires ultimately worse) and federal agents running around pulling up weeds. What is it with our need to waste so much money on landscaping?
    8 Sep 2012, 05:26 PM Reply Like
  • Actually, Libertarians genrally (there are always exceptions and disagreement within the Party) leave the question of state and local taxes up to the state and local government. The primary thrust of the drug plank in the national Libertarian campaign is federal, ie, eliminating federal laws restricting the states from determining this matter as they see fit.

    Now, as time goes on and Libertarian parties evolve at the state and local level and focus on their own backyards, we are likely to see that there are also local variations and schisms within the tiny Libertarian following.

    The argument regarding tax revenues is sometimes raised, but properly it belongs within the context of state law, though there are of course ramifications when combined with a NRST or FairTax initiative, which would indeed include the potential for generating revenues at the federal level from these sales.
    8 Sep 2012, 05:53 PM Reply Like
  • Personally, I'm all for taxing the sale of marijuana, unless we're talking about purchases made 25 years ago, because then I'd owe a lot of money to someone ;)
    8 Sep 2012, 06:40 PM Reply Like
  • How about all the money wasted to pay people to build and maintain prisons and guard potheads?
    The war on drugs is an even bigger failure than alcohol prohibition,imo.
    I like it when the individual decides what to ingest: alcohol, THC, trans fat, caffeine, sugar. In fact, I believe there is a brownie recipe that contains all of these ingredients. :-)
    8 Sep 2012, 06:44 PM Reply Like
  • "The minority of Conservatives who actually care about such things on a regular basis are those whose votes often do coincide with the Libertarian ideology, however, so the overlap is real if difficult to quantify when the shifting of power is uncertain, such as is now the case."

    tb, you have such a way with words!
    8 Sep 2012, 10:13 AM Reply Like
  • Just got mail informing that my home town continues to produce talented folk. To wit,

    http://tinyurl.com/8uk...

    (The video has been posted previously somewhere on SA boards that I follow so it may not be new to all here.)
    8 Sep 2012, 11:23 AM Reply Like
  • I have recently become concerned that the Bald Eagle is no longer a representational mascot. I feel a new mascot should be found that better represents where we as a nation are right now. Here is a contender for that roll which will ultimately be free for all citizens under Obamatax. http://bit.ly/O3cwq4
    8 Sep 2012, 06:46 PM Reply Like
  • John Stewart gives yet another great example of how Fox News is just pathetic.
    http://bit.ly/TCFvGm
    8 Sep 2012, 11:24 PM Reply Like
  • Jpau,

    Here is the news coverage we got coming out of the rnc convention From not only cable news but all the newspapers as well --
    Ryan is a liar.
    Romney gave no details and excluded our military because he just doesn't care --nothing else was even mentioned about his speech.p
    Eastwood was weird therefore disregard anything he had to say and his endorsement about Romney.

    Dnc news coverage --
    It was very successful and went off without a hitch with great speeches.
    Clinton-- perfectly rebutted Romney and stirred the crowd.
    Longoria, johanssen and othe Hollywood personalities were just fun.
    Biden gave a stirring and heartfelt speech that redeemed him.
    Obama -- energized and stirred the crowd uniting the people to care about other people because repub. don't

    The fact Jon Stewart didn't do the exact same piece with msnbc and CNN as well as almost every online news outlet is what is really funny.
    9 Sep 2012, 08:42 AM Reply Like
  • "John Stewart gives yet another great example of how Fox News is just pathetic.
    http://bit.ly/TCFvGm"

    To the extent I watched that Jon Stewart clip (until lack of reference to god in Democratic party platform), jpau, and that was enough to confirm to me that you confuse broadcast columnists with news programs. Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly programs are not now and never have been billed as news programs.

    Characterization of Hannity, O'Reilly, Cavuto, etc. as "news" is equivalent to labeling the old Oprah show or the Rachel Maddow or Keith Olberman shows as news programs.
    9 Sep 2012, 10:07 AM Reply Like
  • D-inv, please show me anywhere where I ever claimed any of those you listed at Fox were real news programs. That has long been a complaint of non-koolaid drinkers, that Fox works very hard to blur the line between commentary and real news. As such, we are aware of the difference.

    Thank you for your totally false aspersion, what a limited ability at rational thinking it must be, that this was the best you could come up with.
    9 Sep 2012, 10:21 AM Reply Like
  • "D-inv, please show me anywhere where I ever claimed any of those you listed at Fox were real news programs."

    jpau < John Stewart gives yet another great example of how FOX NEWS is just pathetic.
    http://bit.ly/TCFvGm

    Note: Caps added for emphasis.
    9 Sep 2012, 10:35 AM Reply Like
  • Ryan speech was misleading, if not dishonest, in several places. That's hardly the media's fault, it's their job to report it as such.

    Eastwood was great. Yes, the liberal side of the media totally missed the point, except for Bill Maher. Maher gets up in front of people for a living, and acknowledged that what Eastwood did was simple, brilliant and effective.

    Steward did another great video that touched on the total lack of specifics delivered at the RNC - basically Clinton had more stats in his one speech than the entire RNC.
    http://bit.ly/NTYgFQ

    I watched the video or Ryan's speech after having some conservative acquaintances tell me how good it had been. I saw little more than vague promises. It reminded me of the Gilligan's Island episode where the overthrown banana republic dictator wants to take Gilligan back to become a puppet ruler, and in his speech, Gilligan says: "I promise you this, that, and the other thing!" That was Ryan's speech in a nutshell.
    9 Sep 2012, 09:54 AM Reply Like
  • I thought PQC is to let people vent their opinions on politics, Washington and our politicians, not personal attacks to it's participants. Just back off and cool it !! Behave like humans not canines....
    10 Sep 2012, 01:40 AM Reply Like
  • Here is a shot of Joe, Biden carousing with some bikers. http://yhoo.it/UFpDCs I'll bet the look on her face would be much different if she were sitting on Bill, Clinton's lap. Candy little girl? how about a dude sickle?
    10 Sep 2012, 06:19 PM Reply Like
  • I deleted a few comments. The personal attacks got a little too much. No big deal, I expected it here, but lets try to keep criticism's on the persons ideas or politics rather than on the person.
    10 Sep 2012, 06:58 PM Reply Like
  • There were scud missile attacks from Gaza into Israel over the weekend. You probably don't know that because you have to read Israeli news sources to find these things out...
    10 Sep 2012, 09:03 PM Reply Like
  • Correction, Grad rockets, not Scuds.
    http://bit.ly/PcKBos
    10 Sep 2012, 09:29 PM Reply Like
  • Oy, Gee: Greetings. Thanks for the link it'll go on the breakfast club first thing in the morning. Couldn't have Diane, Sawyer letting us know during the campaign now could we? Someone might get the impression the Palestinians aren't very afraid of the King.
    10 Sep 2012, 09:41 PM Reply Like
  • Glad it was not scuds. I was wondering if the syrian chemicals/biologicals would be included in those scuds soon.
    11 Sep 2012, 06:54 PM Reply Like
  • One sometimes hears a distinction drawn between reporting the news versus making the news. Illustrative examples anyone?

    http://wapo.st/NmpEL7

    and representation of respective party supporters in the poll (last question of the poll) was: Dems - 33, Reps - 23, Indep - 37

    http://exm.nr/P8jlsL

    http://bit.ly/NmpFif
    11 Sep 2012, 11:14 AM Reply Like
  • d-inv those numbers of folks taking the poll seem to follow the overall population of R, D and I's. Yes there are more D's than R's. They include all the nut jobs, fruits, fairys, loons, most amature liars and theives and nearly the entire list of disney characters. Their goal is to include everyone except the R's.

    The R's include all the professional liars and theives as well as the far right disney characters and nut jobs.

    The folks with thier head screwed on straight are the independents but......they have little hope of effecting the primarys.

    End result is everyone is pissed off all to often and this crap is coming to a head. JMHO

    11 Sep 2012, 06:52 PM Reply Like
  • DG, you might be on the mark with "... those numbers of folks taking the poll seem to follow the overall population of R, D and I's "

    The Examiner article, though, suggests Rasmussen claims that the distribution of voters between Ds and Rs is pretty even with shares only slightly higher than Independents.

    "Rasmussen Reports recent reporting of partisan trends among voters, based on tens of thousands of voters surveyed, showed the voting electorate made up of 35.4 percent Republicans, 34.0 percent Democrats and 30.5 percent “Unaffiliated” or independent voters. Clearly 6.5 percent of a sample as independents is a large under-sampling of those voters compared to 30.5 percent."

    I haven't sought to verify the Rasmussen distro numbers nor have I looked at alternative sources.
    11 Sep 2012, 07:04 PM Reply Like
  • The national average for the number of registered Dems and Reps are very close to those numbers in that poll.
    12 Sep 2012, 09:10 AM Reply Like
  • "The national average for the number of registered Dems and Reps are very close to those numbers in that poll."

    I just did a bit of internet search on the question of political affiliation of registered voters. An interesting tidbit I was not previously aware of popped up quickly. http://bit.ly/RUBwjL
    <
    In 2008, the nation experienced a 5.4% increase in registration over 2004, from 177.4 million to 187.0 million registrants. Statistics from the twenty-nine states that have partisan voter registration suggest that the national increase came primarily from Independents and Democrats. Among these twenty-nine states, the number of registrants identifying with the Democratic Party increased 10.8%, compared to 0.5% for Republicans and 12.0% for Independents.
    <
    Distribution of voters by party affiliation for just 29 of 50 States leaves a large unknown. Under the circumstances I believe the Rasmussen evaluation of "partisan trends" is likely a more reliable indicator of probable political party leanings.
    15 Sep 2012, 01:32 PM Reply Like
  • perhaps, we can vote for a president and administration that does not apologize for America and "condemn" our freedom of speech.

    http://on.wsj.com/PbREQf
    12 Sep 2012, 09:50 AM Reply Like
  • The King visited Fort Bliss last week promising more medical assistance for vets returning from the front. This week he announced a $13B dollar cut in Tricare funding http://bit.ly/PbTbWi He iws doing what he promised when he said that veterans and retirees should pay more of their health care costs. http://bit.ly/QFlRIP We know that junior enlisted personnel with a family already qualify for food stamps. http://mnstr.me/tt40xd A sad fact by it's self how will this new back door tax effect them?
    12 Sep 2012, 10:05 AM Reply Like
  • Apparently we might just have gotten an insight into what BO ment when he told Russias prez he would have more flexability, once he was REelected. It was hidden in the tribute to the USA veterans. I can not believe they are this stupid so it must have been on purpose. NO ONE CAN BE THAT STUPID!!!!

    No God, No Jerusalem and Russias military gets put on display during a tribute to the military. These are not stupid people here so this is obviously intentional. THEY ARE NOT THIS STUPID!!!


    http://fxn.ws/RM5ZR4
    12 Sep 2012, 12:05 PM Reply Like
  • "Apparently we might just have gotten an insight into what BO ment when he told Russias prez he would have more flexability, once he was REelected. It was hidden in the tribute to the USA veterans. I can not believe they are this stupid so it must have been on purpose. NO ONE CAN BE THAT STUPID!!!! "

    http://tinyurl.com/8uk...
    12 Sep 2012, 12:13 PM Reply Like
  • D-INV your link isn't working. Can you try it again? i'm getting a 404 message.
    12 Sep 2012, 12:18 PM Reply Like
  • Try http://bit.ly/OVgoMf
    12 Sep 2012, 12:22 PM Reply Like
  • I like this tune also.

    http://bit.ly/PuNwwl
    13 Sep 2012, 04:41 AM Reply Like
  • This one is a little over the top!

    http://bit.ly/OIPkyX
    13 Sep 2012, 04:44 AM Reply Like
  • And this one is just cute!

    http://bit.ly/U8MyEg
    13 Sep 2012, 04:47 AM Reply Like
  • We end the week with the markets drunk on FRB blather about unlimited, open ended MBS and bond purchases with low, low interest rates for all but credit card users. http://onforb.es/PBnCH9 This will spark the economy and shore up .....well it will shore up something and be great, just great you'll see. The rape and murder of the US ambassador to Libya is still reverberating around the world http://bit.ly/Pj08EQ but it's presidential hopeful Mitt, Romney who is the real problem. http://bit.ly/Pj08EV He dared speak the truth which made King Obama, who failed to answer the 3:00 AM call regarding the attacks on our embassies and diplomats, look like the weakling he is. This while the king snubbed the prime minister of Israel because he's much too busy campaigning and fund raising to be bothered with potential Israeli air strikes against Iran. http://reut.rs/PBnCHf I recall in 1986 when Libyan terrorists bombed a Berlin night club injuring 60 US service men and Killing one President Ronald, Reagan in cooperation with European allies bombed Quadaffi's house among other things. Libya was quiet for the next 25 years. Looking at it now that option probably isn't available to King Obama as he has alienated our allies in Europe and refuses to call anyone a terrorist. Have a great week end all I'm sure all of our "Freinds." in the ME will, except the Israelis they will be dodging rocket attacks which will no doubt not be reported by our "News." outlets. .
    14 Sep 2012, 02:52 PM Reply Like
  • Updated estimated electoral college votes from Real Clear Politics:

    http://bit.ly/S2UVA5
    15 Sep 2012, 12:26 PM Reply Like
  • Maya: Greetings. These new polls are heavily skewed by over sampling Democrats. http://bit.ly/OPv1zK http://bit.ly/QhkDUp Almost all of the polls are similar. Thus the real clear politics poll of polls is just as skewed. It's remarkable that even with all of the gyrations they are doing they cannot get the king a more significant lead.
    15 Sep 2012, 12:38 PM Reply Like
  • You are correct Robert. I have been watching these polls a lot and I go into the state by state polls to check the sampling. In Ohio for instance the polls over sampled Dem's by 7-10 points and also under-sample independents. Here is an example from the latest Ohio poll done by WSJ/NBC (note the 29 Strong Dem but only 20 strong Rep.) This weighting is so skewed that even if Romney won *ALL* of the independents he would still be losing the poll 49 - 50.

    Strong Democrat 29
    Not strong Democrat 9
    Democrat leaning Independent 12
    *Total Dem. = 50*

    Just Independent 10

    Republican leaning Independent 11
    Not strong Republican 8
    Strong Republican 20
    *Total Rep. = 39*

    Other 1
    Total 100
    15 Sep 2012, 06:09 PM Reply Like
  • I hope these fake numbers keep a whole lot of people home, especially the unhappy dems and independents who will not vote for Romney under any circumstances!
    Yes, yes, you are so right- there's no one to vote for, it just doesn't matter. Stay home and make your voice heard...
    15 Sep 2012, 07:46 PM Reply Like
  • Oy, Gee, jakurtz: Greetings. They are trying to create a self fulfilling prophecy scenario to convince us that the King's reelection is inevitable. This will continue unabated until about three weeks before the election. If at that time their fantasy numbers have not become real they will start showing the real numbers as their credibility will then be at stake.
    15 Sep 2012, 11:13 PM Reply Like
  • Per the AP:
    "Some black clergy see no good presidential choice between a Mormon candidate and one who supports gay marriage, so they are telling their flocks to stay home on Election Day. .."
    http://yhoo.it/RXCQTb
    16 Sep 2012, 05:28 PM Reply Like
  • The real "they" doesn't care whether it's Romney or Ryan. Voters are just conditioned to vote as validation that there is a contest of values. The only value that counts in america is to get while the getting is good and to keep what you got. That being the case, Romney already got and Obama's time will come.
    16 Sep 2012, 04:01 AM Reply Like
  • What makes you think the King hasn't been getting all he can for the last four years. As far as I'm concerned his time has come and gone.
    17 Sep 2012, 10:34 AM Reply Like
  • " The only value that counts in america is to get while the getting is good and to keep what you got."

    The only thing about your comment I agree with is keeping what one has is valued, and I darn well intend to pass along to my descendants the legacy of fundamental rule of under constitutional government with enumerated powers that was bequeathed to me by six successive generations.
    17 Sep 2012, 04:08 PM Reply Like
  • Accidentally posted this in QC and should have posted it here...

    The Obama administration was able to mislead and disguise the fact their was a terrorist attack on the anniversary of 9/11 on American soil for over a week by focusing on some obscure muslim video. What did the media report on ALL week? Romney's private fundraising video.

    A terrorist attack, the Middle East burns and unemployment is 10.5% when factoring in the 4M people who have dropped out of the workforce. What does the media report on the Sunday talk shows today? Negative coverage on Romney's taxes and his fundraising video.

    Reuters 10.5% unemployment --
    http://reut.rs/RMM1Mu

    USA today -- Gibbs denies White House misled on terrorist attack--
    http://usat.ly/SMQmJS

    A new Gallup poll shows record high 60% of the people do not trust the media...I wonder why. Who are the 40% that do trust media a "fair amount"? Liberals and democrats.

    Gallup Poll --
    http://bit.ly/SMQmJU
    23 Sep 2012, 12:37 PM Reply Like
  • Thanks for those links. Here are a few more.

    http://bit.ly/QPgRQ3
    <
    Tonight, CBS aired a 60 Minutes interview with President Obama. But curiously enough, the news magazine show did not air a clip of Obama admitting to interviewer Steve Kroft that some of his campaign ads contain mistakes and that some even "go overboard."
    <

    http://bit.ly/SpMJyF
    24 Sep 2012, 08:47 AM Reply Like
  • The Loyola university video was notably absent as well. http://bit.ly/Qu5DTo
    24 Sep 2012, 02:07 PM Reply Like
  • Big surprise, huh?
    24 Sep 2012, 02:23 PM Reply Like
  • http://thedc.com/Q2pHc2
    provides the audio on the Loyola U event. Video still not available.
    24 Sep 2012, 03:44 PM Reply Like
  • Wow, Reuters covered the tricks used to hide the true extent of unemployment and NBC News posted the video of Obama admitting he believes in a certain level of redistribution. Last I heard, both Reuters and NBC were part of the media, so I guess they aren't just covering Romney's gaffes.
    24 Sep 2012, 07:29 PM Reply Like
  • They are beginning to get a little concerned with their inability to make the King's reelection bid successful and inevitable. They will have serious credibility issues going forward if they get this totally wrong which is looking more and more likely. We investors call it hedging.
    25 Sep 2012, 09:42 AM Reply Like
  • "They will have serious credibility issues going forward if they get this totally wrong which is looking more and more likely. We investors call it hedging."

    Too little, too late IMO.
    25 Sep 2012, 11:26 AM Reply Like
  • Jpau, Thought you might find this interesting. While I didn't need a study to tell me the coverage of both remarks were not nearly equal, this study might help you to put things in perspective.

    MRC research study shows that Romney's 47% remark received 88 minutes and 42 stories from ABC, CBS and NBC while Obama's redistribution remark got 6 minutes and 8 stories.

    http://fxn.ws/QXq0pN

    I will bet you dollars to doughnuts that Romney's tax remarks also received substantially more airtime than the terrorist attack in Benghazi and the national security leaks combined.

    Want to wager?
    27 Sep 2012, 02:35 PM Reply Like
  • I'm not seeing anything above about national security leaks, so I'm not sure what you're referring to on that. I'm not shocked that the media spent far more attention on something that a candidate for the office of PotUS said just a few months ago, which insulted a substantial portion of our citizenry - given that the other remark was 14 years old, and since he was being called a redistributor 4 years ago, it hardly seemed to be anything new.
    News in the US seems to lock onto whatever is most sensational (IMO). Violence in the ME is hardly novel - and we've had embassies attacked before. Losing an ambassador, that might have garnered more attention. But when you say something controversial, dumb or ill-advised on tape or camera, it can get lots of play - just ask Alec Baldwin, Christian Bale or Mel Gibson. Of course, those guys had the luxury of ducking out of site for a bit; Romney doesn't have that right now.
    27 Sep 2012, 07:10 PM Reply Like
  • wow, I can't really help you out when you think someone stating the truth that 47% of our population is receiving entitlements is more newsworthy than our ambassador getting killed in a terrorist attack. I am astonished that you can even write those words with a straight face and think nothing is wrong. If the terrorist attack happened under Bush's watch would you still feel the same way?

    The fact that you don't know anything about the confidential security leaks that came out of the white house says it all about your news sources.
    27 Sep 2012, 07:21 PM Reply Like
  • jakurtz, I can't help you out if you can't comprehend what I said.

    First, I never, never said that what Romney said was more newsworthy than the terror attack. I very clearly said that it was more newsworthy than a 14 year old clip of Obama saying what one would expect to hear from democrats, especially back then.

    Second, me stating that news locks onto the sensational does not equate to me approving of it. I only acknowledged the perception.

    As for the security leaks, do you mean the stories from back in July? What it says is that the news is 2 months old and isn't fresh in my head.

    I'd also like to point out that Romney didn't just 'tell the truth' about 47 percent of Americans receiving entitlements. He stated that they refused to take personal responsibility and care for their lives. That's insulting to the millions of Americans included in the 47 percent, who worked all their lives, paid into social security and medicare and now collect what they were promised.

    jakurtz, in the future, could you at least argue against what I actually say, and not what you wish I had said?
    27 Sep 2012, 08:15 PM Reply Like
  • Jpau, so then you agree with me that the media is clearly biased against Romney?
    28 Sep 2012, 08:44 AM Reply Like
  • If you mean the 'real news' programs, I can't answer.

    If your definition of 'the media' includes all the pundits, commentators and the like - I think some folks, especially those who want Romney to win, might find it easier to claim media bias rather than admit he's running a terrible campaign. I would very much compare this line of thinking to the Fox News Channel screed that the polls must be skewed because they don't favor Romney. Colbert did an excellent take-down of this:
    http://bit.ly/VWqOOL
    28 Sep 2012, 06:24 PM Reply Like
  • Gotcha, so we will just agree that Anderson Cooper and Brian Williams don't do "real news"

    On the polling, Colbert is a funny dude but here is the sampling of the latest polling from the CBS/NYT polls in Ohio, PA and Florida, which ire the polls he cited...

    Likely Voters --
    PA OH FL
    REP. 28% 26% 27%Dem. 39% 35% 36%IND. 27% 35% 33%

    That is sampling Dems. 3-4x more than their turnout compared to republicans in 2008, which was an aberration for Dems itself. I guess Fox news has it right, but what comedian or partisan wants to look at facts?
    Here is a link to the polling data

    http://cbsn.ws/QlN3JN;contentBody
    28 Sep 2012, 08:08 PM Reply Like
  • jakurtz: That is sampling Dems. 3-4x more than their turnout compared to republicans in 2008, which was an aberration for Dems itself.

    According to whom? please provide link

    Here's a Reuters story that says it is happening, but mostly because more voters identify themselves as democrats. http://reut.rs/S7MLMd

    And here is a TNR article, which I only include because there is a table with the poll numbers along with the exit poll numbers from 2008 for those states; unless you can show that their 2008 exit numbers are incorrect, the 3-4x you claim looks incorrect. http://bit.ly/Uz2Kio#
    28 Sep 2012, 08:59 PM Reply Like
  • Funny, but if I'm reading it correctly the 2008 exit polls for Florida read 37% Democrat and 34% Republican from Jpau's link. And according to the figures provided by jakurtz the polls are now showing Democrats at 36% in Florida compared to 27% Republicans. Now neither do I perceive 3 to 4 times an increase nor do I see the polls as being a very accurate portrayal of reality. I don't live in Florida but I know a lot more folks who were Democrats (or still are) that have decided to not vote Democratic in this election than Republicans who have decided to change horses. This is purely local and coincidental, but I find it hard to believe that the Democrats would have fared better in terms of gaining or retaining support and party support at the grass roots levels with the economy in such terrible condition. I'm not looking for an argument. Just stating an opinion.
    28 Sep 2012, 09:52 PM Reply Like
  • Exit polls in many locations showed Democrats holding the house in 2010. The reality of the results was much different. When the pollsters are resorting to fudging the numbers on exit polls you know there is some measure of desperation in play. Why aren't they using the real numbers from 2010 as a turnout model? The pollsters say that it wasn't a presidential election so it's apples and oranges. Really? They think some how the disaffection with government just evaporated in the last two years? Have they been watching the Republican primaries? So overstated numbers for Democrats will continue for at least three more weeks before they will start trying to regain credibility.
    29 Sep 2012, 10:13 AM Reply Like
  • I tweeted the articles and also put them on facebook and empireavenue.com ! I think we need to help distribute the truth as best we can over the next few weeks! Thanks for the links.
    23 Sep 2012, 09:01 PM Reply Like
  • http://bit.ly/SOnAZv

    If you are going to claim that you need more gravel to fill in a hole, wouldn't it make sense to see if you have enough gravel to actually fill in the hole.

    http://bit.ly/wczf8w
    24 Sep 2012, 03:30 PM Reply Like
  • Well Romney is even losing the Gallup Poll now by six points which is a little disturbing at this point.

    I just hope that all conservative and constitutionally minded voters who won't give Romney a chance because he does not fit their perfect mold will be extremely pleased with themselves in 2016 when we sit $22T in debt, 70M people on food stamps and three quarters of the country receiving entitlements while the other quarter that make $50K and up are paying 100% of the taxes. We will also get the words "mother" and "father" banned from official documents as part of passing gay marriage like france is attempting to do.

    http://fxn.ws/SmwBZp

    It will be a wonderful day as long as everyone stuck by their own short-sighted ideals.

    (I usually keep social issues out of it, but banning words "mother" and "father"...really?)
    26 Sep 2012, 05:37 PM Reply Like
  • I would think the solution for France is to ban all heterosexual relationships so as not to offend any homosexual relationships. That should provide them with a bright future.
    26 Sep 2012, 06:38 PM Reply Like
  • " Well Romney is even losing the Gallup Poll now by six points which is a little disturbing at this point."

    I don't find that credible at all.
    26 Sep 2012, 08:50 PM Reply Like
  • Great plan for the French!
    26 Sep 2012, 08:51 PM Reply Like
  • Interesting article in Saturday's FT about how Romney and Obama were just in Toledo railing at China for currency manipulation, cheating, etc., etc. while the mayor of Toledo was speaking to 150 potential investors from China trying to encourage them to invest there.

    The article goes on to say that, as China increases investment in theUS, it could mean employment for 200-400k Americans by the end of the decade.
    30 Sep 2012, 07:46 PM Reply Like
  • I'm hoping that Washington wakes up and improves the environment for business in the U.S. If it does, even the Chinese would be drawn in to create far more that a few hundred thousand jobs. Investment goes to where it can make the most money. We could be the center of new growth if we just had political leadership that understood what works for both business and labor. Job creation; I mean real, full-time job creation isn't happening today. We need some change that will attract both investment from foreign companies and increased investment by American companies as well.
    2 Oct 2012, 09:32 PM Reply Like
  • Remember way back in the day when the misguided and IMO unconstitutional PATRIOT act was signed into law? As I recall the left was totally going ballistic. President W, Bush was pounded incessantly by the media mavens, pundits and left wing politicians over warrentless wiretaps. Well King Voldemort has quadrupled their use and you can hear a pin drop. http://bit.ly/QCfOC7 Of course should Romney or House Republicans start making noises about it they will be the problem. Just like when Romney spoke out about the Benghazi attack. He spoke the truth and was pilloried by the administration and the LSM. He was right in all that he said but there has been no apology from the LSM or the administration. Can you assassinate the character of those who have none?
    2 Oct 2012, 06:25 PM Reply Like
  • Drudge Report has an interesting link today.

    http://thedc.com/UELB6N
    2 Oct 2012, 11:24 PM Reply Like
  • That's not going anywhere! I'm surprised it's still up this long!
    3 Oct 2012, 12:04 AM Reply Like
  • K202: Greetings. I'm not so sure. Telemundo interviewed King Voldemort regarding Fast and Furious and actually asked him serious questions. http://bit.ly/Ucqb6D Another Border Patrol agent was just murdered near the spot where agent Terry was killed. http://bit.ly/UFvcPu Questions are being asked if weaponry from Fast and Furious was used in this killing. Now the questions surrounding the Benghazi cover up is gaining traction as well. All of the deceit this administration has practiced is showing up. some of this is bound to have legs. If Romney is smart he will unload all of this on the king during tonight's debate along with the economy, unemployment etc...
    3 Oct 2012, 11:04 AM Reply Like
  • I hope you are right. My fear is that BO will come in with a layer of greased armor and not allow himself to get caught by turning the tables on Romney without answering any tough questions. The only tough questions that I expect to be asked of BO during the entire debate series will need to come from Romney and I suspect that he will ignore those as much as possible and just answer the softball questions he gets from the MSM (most likely provided ahead of time so his team can prep him). Every moderator looks like a liberal BO supporter.
    3 Oct 2012, 04:47 PM Reply Like
  • I would like to see Romney ask Voldemort how he expects to honor his administration's recent pledge of government funding for legal expenses incurred by defense contractors in defending themselves against failure to send out layoff notices with sequestration pending. Just one more conspicuous demonstration of rule of Obama over rule of law!
    3 Oct 2012, 12:07 PM Reply Like
  • This obviously belongs here.

    http://bit.ly/VhPseW
    3 Oct 2012, 04:29 PM Reply Like
  • Well, that felt good last night. That is what happens when you don't have a record to run on and your entire campaign is based on mischaracterizing your opponent and flowery fairy talk with vague distorted notions of fairness and hope.

    Even bill maher tweeted, "I guess he does need a teleprompter."

    CNN's flash poll of registered voter after the debate showed Romney won 67% to 25%. Who was best able to handle the economy? Romney 57% to 42%. -- the funniest part is that the dems on the talking panel started saying the poll was skewed to the reps. that cracked me up since they have been belly-aching about conservatives complaining all the other polls are skewed to dems.
    4 Oct 2012, 08:07 AM Reply Like
  • Haha, so what does CNN consider a "few more republicans than a typical poll" -- 33 percent Republicans, 37 percent Democrats and 29 percent independents.

    http://huff.to/Qw69yy
    4 Oct 2012, 01:09 PM Reply Like
  • Should we call this morning the Romney Bounce:

    http://bit.ly/UhxSsd

    And JP Morgan analyst writes Democrats tax proposal could hit stocks 15% while Romney 10% cut on corporate taxes could boost them 7-14% -- that helps the middle-class that have been hit the most during these past four years in their 401k's and have a positive effect on housing prices as the middle-class begins to feel more secure financially with a stronger retirement plan and a business friendly, economic growth centered administration. (of course, I like analysts when I agree with them:)

    http://bit.ly/SFhQ41
    4 Oct 2012, 10:16 AM Reply Like
  • I've been hearing the event called the "Mile high melt down." Chris, Mathews doesn't seem to have a thrill running up his leg today. It's more likely he peed his pants.
    4 Oct 2012, 06:23 PM Reply Like
  • I just saw that Al Gore blamed it on the altitude. Obama had only arrived in Denver a few hours before so he wasn't used to the.... altitude.

    http://wapo.st/PUKNd6
    4 Oct 2012, 07:06 PM Reply Like
  • It's Bush, no, it's the Republicans, no, it's Europe, no, it's the T Party, no, it's the weather, no, its the middle east, no, it's the Japanese earthquake,no, it's the congress, no, it's the federal reserve, no, it's demographics - sort of a pattern there.

    Success doesn't make excuses, and excuses doesn't bring success.
    4 Oct 2012, 08:39 PM Reply Like
  • We begin the week with the debate buzz still in full swing even though the glowing jobs report was supposed to bury the Mile High Melt Down. The Romney/ Ryan campaign is crisscrossing the swing states and dropping into states they think could be in play talking about tax code revision, economic conditions, and jobs. Meanwhile King, Voldemort is crisscrossing the same places talking about Big, Bird. Strange Uncle, Joe seems to be wandering at random and no one has figured out what he's talking about. As expected the polls are tightening with some actually having the temerity to show Romney ahead. http://bit.ly/UAohg8 An analysis out of the University of Colorado with some very strange methodology, going back to the future, is showing a landslide coming in favor of Romney. http://bit.ly/WIZoft
    8 Oct 2012, 04:44 PM Reply Like
  • Didn't the Big Bird guy commit suicide?
    8 Oct 2012, 05:40 PM Reply Like
  • He was listening to the Barney song on Cookie, Monster radio as I understand it. He pulled a five pound booger out of his beak and his head imploded.
    8 Oct 2012, 06:42 PM Reply Like
  • Found it.

    http://bit.ly/SJGabb
    8 Oct 2012, 07:18 PM Reply Like
  • jhooper: Greetings. Good one! I should have known it was depression caused by his distress upon finding out Big, Bird would be given the ax by Romney.
    8 Oct 2012, 07:26 PM Reply Like
  • Hi RBF,
    Careful, don't want the kids thinking about Thanksgiving and axed Big Birds at the same time.
    9 Oct 2012, 03:46 AM Reply Like
  • I believe this covers about 90% of the concerns for this coming election.

    http://bit.ly/SLsRa6
    11 Oct 2012, 09:08 PM Reply Like
  • Watched the debate last night and didn't learn anything that I didn't know before. Ryan seemed to at least hold his own, but Biden's nearly constant smirking probably didn't sit well with most viewers.

    Biden probably did better if you listened on the radio.
    12 Oct 2012, 08:03 AM Reply Like
  • That's seems like a good assessment to me, ungawah. I don't think there was a clear winner for the viewing audience. Both sides will claim victory and most of us will just focus more on the primary ticket candidates, Romney and BO (I don't use the name because it attracts hate-filled people from both sides to the conversation; they must search for it). The town hall should be interesting next Tuesday. It will give us a chance to see how each relates to people and if they can make connections.
    12 Oct 2012, 11:31 AM Reply Like
  • While I agree that there wasn't a clear winner Strange Uncle Joe's juvenile behavior may have turned some undecided voters off enough to vote for the challenger. The debate formats seem to have been set up to favor King, Voldemort but are now working against him. I say this because as we know the King is prone to long winded answers that convey little information. Thus the first debate was set up with a long answer format and the King was widely expected to do well. He didn't. The town hall format for the second debate will prevent the candidates from going directly to the attack as they will be fielding questions from undecided voters. Had the King turned in a stellar performance at the first debate this would have worked in his favor but he didn't so now it favors the challenger. Making eye contact and answering the questions directly, honestly and understandably will be the order of the evening as evading, ignoring or going off topic will make the candidate doing so seem disengaged from the audience. I would consider this a win for the challenger's campaign because it was Strange Uncle Joe's mission to blunt the momentum of the challenger gained from the Mile High Melt Down. He didn't. This will provide more cover for the LSM to readjust their skewed polling data closer to reality as their credibility (What's left of it.) is now on the line with less than a month until election day. I'm sure everyone noticed the shift in polling data right after the first debate. I think that was less what was happening in the electorate and more about the LSM doing some CYA. Unless the King can pull lightening from a bottle in the final debate or come up with an October surprise he's done.
    12 Oct 2012, 01:38 PM Reply Like
  • Robert - While you may be right about the LSM taking the opportunity to do some cover by skewing less toward BO, I don't think it was as much as the polls revealed. I think they are still doing everything they can to make it look closer than it is to keep their candidate in the race. My gut tells me that unbiased polls would favor Romney a little more already and that we could see a landslide unless BO pulls off a miracle at Hofstra. Town Hall meetings aren't always his best arena. He tends to get stuck when asked a difficult question and tries to avoid answering it. That would play to Romney's advantage if the R comes in well-prepared; which I expect he will. He won't be playing golf this week. He'll be preparing around the clock; it's like preparing for a business negotiation and he's good at it. And R connects well with people in one-on-one venues. He comes across as sincere, smart and understanding. BO can get condescending if he doesn't like the question. This Tuesday should be interesting!
    12 Oct 2012, 02:08 PM Reply Like
  • BIDEN: "Well, we weren't told they wanted more security there. We did not know they wanted more security again. And by the way, at the time we were told exactly — we said exactly what the intelligence community told us that they knew. That was the assessment. And as the intelligence community changed their view, we made it clear they changed their view."
    RYAN: "There were requests for more security."
    Maybe if Obama went to his security briefings he'd have known how many requests were made to beef up security. In fact, security was diminished.
    According to the testimony on the hill yesterday by the State Department, Ambassador Stevens was repeatedly denied additional security that he requested.

    12 Oct 2012, 02:40 PM Reply Like
  • Oy, Gee: Greetings. You must be unaware that the Benghazi debacle is Romney and Ryan's fault now.http://bit.ly/OYBUnk Can they really be that out of touch that they think this way? Amazing simply amazing.
    12 Oct 2012, 02:48 PM Reply Like
  • Robert - The administration and BO campaign will just keep testing sound bites until one seems to resonate and then they and the LSM will keep repeating it until enough people begin to accept it as the truth. That has been their strategy all along for the last 4 years. Find a lie that seems plausible and keep repeating it until it drives perception and becomes accepted as truth. And then BO says, "It's just politics!" as if that makes everything, even lying to the people, okay.
    12 Oct 2012, 03:08 PM Reply Like
  • K202 If that is your real name?: Greetings. I agree and as you stated above it's much easier to lie to a large group or on TV than it is to look a person in the eye and lie to their face after they ask you a direct question. Especially when you don't know that person and they may already know the answer to the question and may be testing your veracity. All of that makes the town hall format less attractive to the King especially in view of his sagging poll numbers. He really can't afford a repeat of the Mile High Melt Down.
    12 Oct 2012, 03:34 PM Reply Like
  • 1. When the Democrats came out today, they explained Biden's behavior as "just Joe Biden being Joe Biden." In our society, we now seem to accept rude, coarse, profane behavior as just someone being themselves --- and that makes it okay.

    2. The Democrats said that the Republicans voted to reduce embassy security. Well, maybe some of the embassy security in Ottawa, Berlin or Panama could have been diverted to the consulate in Benghazi.
    12 Oct 2012, 06:55 PM Reply Like
  • Since when have Marines carried weapons without bullets? How expensive is it to issue a few hundred rounds (each) to the embassy and consolate defenders and give a ROE of shoot to kill anyone that breaches the wall? Oh, just for looks, then send over fifth grade boys with slingshots.
    13 Oct 2012, 03:08 AM Reply Like
  • Stilldazed: Since when have Marines carried weapons without bullets?

    Have you spent any time in the military? It's not what people imagine.

    It's a tragedy what happened in Libya. It's not helping that those who hate Obama want to make this into a mountain, when so many of them hardly made a peep when Bush invaded the wrong country, and found no wmd's - costing over 4k soldiers lives, countless Iraqi dead, and $1 trillion down the drain.
    13 Oct 2012, 08:53 AM Reply Like
  • Jpau, Why do people have to "hate" O' to want answers as to why they tried to cover-up this terrorist attack. Why is it every time the president and his administration is criticized it is becasue people just "hate him"? Couldn't it be because we see a lack of competence, leadership and responsibility for the things that are happening to the U.S. here and around the world?
    13 Oct 2012, 10:54 AM Reply Like
  • Jpau,
    My Dad was a career Marine and I served in the Air Force.
    13 Oct 2012, 12:52 PM Reply Like
  • Fair enough, jakurtz, it could well be that you dislike his job performance (or your perception of it). However, your conviction that he tried to cover up the attack - which isn't proven, looks more like someone desperately wanting something to stick on O before the election.

    Stilldazed: I served in the Army, and while maybe the USAF does things differently, I can tell you that we didn't always carry live ammo on guard duty, and that there were good reasons for it.
    13 Oct 2012, 04:28 PM Reply Like
  • jpau,
    I know the standard reasons for some guard positions not having a clip of live ammo in the weapon (though if they had a weapon they still had a loaded clip on them). However, Marines that guard the Captain and his quarters on board ship had loaded weapons as did all Marines carrying weapons on embassy duty, when did we become such wussies? Have we turned into a parade ground military? All for looks and no bite?
    14 Oct 2012, 03:29 AM Reply Like
  • I served in the Army, too, but never pulled guard duty outside of the U.S. without a loaded weapon. Of course, much of my duty was served in Vietnam where my recon platoon shared a small compound with mercenaries (mostly ex-Viet Cong or ex-NVA regulars all of whom had a personal revenge motive). But I can't imagine being overseas at an embassy without at least a loaded clip or two on my person if expected to defend U.S. citizenry on foreign soil, especially in the Middle East.
    14 Oct 2012, 09:19 PM Reply Like
  • "... the town hall format less attractive to the King especially in view of his sagging poll numbers. He really can't afford a repeat of the Mile High Melt Down. "

    I have thought for some time that BO could lose by a wide margin and two recent developments really strengthen that perception. The first development was emergence of the 2007 Norfolk (?) video showing BO accusing the Bush Administration of anti-black racism in delaying waiver of Stafford Act local funding requirements for rebuilding New Orleans in the aftermath of Katrina. Overall, the video came across as anti-white pandering to a receptive cheering and clapping audience of black American ministers. I suspect a significant number of voters cast 2008 ballots for BO in some part on the premise it would help diminish racial divides and bring the country together, but that video is pretty clearly inconsistent with the premise and hope.

    I see the "mile high melt down" as more pivotal but not entirely responsible for the apparent shift in public sentiments about the two candidates.
    12 Oct 2012, 06:23 PM Reply Like
  • D-inv: Greetings. I'm sure you are correct that a number of undecided voters who saw the video would be quite put off by it. That being said there are a number of troubling videos surfacing. This one was Anderson, Cooper interviewing the mother of a Navy SEAL killed in Benghazi. http://bit.ly/UWiLit Actually I find it more heart breaking than disturbing.
    12 Oct 2012, 07:00 PM Reply Like
  • Romney predicted to win in a landslide: http://fxn.ws/R4rMGy

    But consider the source. It is biased I'll admit, but the guy does have some decent logic for his prediction. And it squares with the U of CO model that has correctly predicted every presidential election since its inception in 1980. http://bit.ly/SGE4qs
    13 Oct 2012, 12:00 AM Reply Like
  • Romney crowds are surging and absentee ballots are favoring republican voting. The O' campaign is going to start up with some nasty stuff soon (as if they haven't already, spending $1B on attempts to demonize R's character)

    http://bo.st/RVDVim
    13 Oct 2012, 10:51 AM Reply Like
  • I hope you are correct but the Chicago Mob still has plenty of time to steal Pennsylvania and Ohio and Florida. Game, set and match.
    16 Oct 2012, 02:16 PM Reply Like
  • http://bit.ly/Tqness
    14 Oct 2012, 05:54 AM Reply Like
  • Regarding whether or not the Obama administration knew about requests for extra security for our ambassador in Libya, journalist & author Edward Klein told Larry Kudlow on CNBC that Bill Clinton was trying to develop a defense for Hillary because the Clintons feared that she would be made the scapegoat for the consulate disaster.
    14 Oct 2012, 09:26 AM Reply Like
  • "a defense for Hillary because the Clintons feared that she would be made the scapegoat for the consulate disaster. "

    She is the administrator in charge of State and is surely culpable to some extent along with Obama and the national security adviser.
    14 Oct 2012, 09:35 AM Reply Like
  • Why hasn't Hillary the wonder dog been fired? Had this occurred under a Republican administration our ever vigilant press corps would have been camped out at ambassador Rice and secretary Clinton's quarters demanding the heads of those responsible. Just look what happened to Scooter Libby. They have been trying to bury this for a month. Now they need to start covering it because it's not going away. Neither is Fast and Furious.
    14 Oct 2012, 05:12 PM Reply Like
  • 9/11 happened under a Republican administration, 36 days after a president's daily brief entitled "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in the US" and I don't remember Rice losing her job as national security advisor. In fact, she was later made Secretary of State.

    Oh, and it took 8 months for the brief to be made public.
    14 Oct 2012, 07:53 PM Reply Like
  • "36 days after a president's daily brief entitled 'Bin Laden Determined to Strike in the US' and I don't remember Rice losing her job as national security advisor."

    "Determined to strike in the US" is considerably more general and less actionable than specific threats and acts of violence against specific target in specific location. There is no comparability between the two circumstances.
    14 Oct 2012, 09:57 PM Reply Like
  • Osama also wasn't a regime bush helped to install and was taking pains not to offend by looking aggressive.
    15 Oct 2012, 06:10 AM Reply Like
  • No comparability? Ignored intel, bad decision making, horrible outcomes? In both cases there was good reason for far more to be done. I'm not seeing anything in the article about the specific threats you refer to. Nor do I see anything about specific threats here http://1.usa.gov/R77Y5f

    Would you have a link to those?
    15 Oct 2012, 01:48 PM Reply Like
  • What's going on in Lybia is a cover up by an administration of failed policies. Obama started a war in Lybia without congressional approval. The result of the war was to install a democracy loving, Obama friendly gov. As such, it would look bad to have a beefed up security force giving the impression that this goal was not achieved. Also, there is the element that the only reason there are bad people in the world is because the US has a military. Thus, the approach in Lybia is that if we just show them that we are friendly, then they will be friendly too. When all of this blew up in the administration's face, they needed something else to blame the attacks on, rather than on the failed policies of the administration.
    15 Oct 2012, 02:02 PM Reply Like
  • D-Inv: You are absolutely correct!
    "There were 230 security incidents in Libya between June 2011 and July 2012. With 48 taking place in Benghazi, two at the U.S. diplomatic compound where Ambassador Stevens and three other Americans were murdered on Sept. 11, 2012, a date that by itself should have prompted enhanced security..."

    Read More At IBD, an excellent op-ed, imo:
    http://bit.ly/RqYZul
    14 Oct 2012, 11:23 PM Reply Like
  • sum stuff i found: House GOP Outs
    Undercover CIA Operation in Libya on C-SPAN washingpost, Jason Chaffetz Admits House GOP Cut Funding
    For Embassy Security: 'You Have To Prioritize Things, just a headsup 4 my peeps@ sa p.s. jama's ropadope worked much better than any neocon, or "liberal media" would like to admitt.....
    15 Oct 2012, 11:24 AM Reply Like
  • Chaffetz just said on TV that he was assured that the funding cut had no baring on the security at the consulate. Maybe the embassy in Tripoli was adequately protected, but when the ambassador leaves and goes to another city, how much of that security goes with him?
    15 Oct 2012, 07:50 PM Reply Like
  • The State Department is sitting on 2 Billion USD. They could have beefed up security.
    15 Oct 2012, 09:04 PM Reply Like
  • Warning! Those of you who admire Joe Biden won't like this article:

    http://bit.ly/PxUimL
    15 Oct 2012, 01:31 PM Reply Like
  • Coal miners dispute Obama Ad

    http://bit.ly/P5KKQf
    15 Oct 2012, 08:21 PM Reply Like
  • Obama claims complete recovery of financial bailout funds achieved; CBO says otherwise.

    http://bit.ly/RNjXUV
    15 Oct 2012, 08:24 PM Reply Like
  • Clinton takes the bullet for Benghazi, the morning of the second debate. It doesn't absolve the cover-up, but it takes some pressure off the White House for the lack of security.

    http://on.wsj.com/PzA1NM

    So same old story we have seen from this White House again and again and again, they deny deny deny and then shift the blame away from the head honcho, it insulates him from fallout and responsibility for anything.
    16 Oct 2012, 08:11 AM Reply Like
  • The buck stopped with her. Smart of her to get out in front of this -- part of her defense strategy. Edward Klein said there were two power centers in the administration -- the Obamas and the Clintons.
    16 Oct 2012, 08:56 AM Reply Like
  • Since she is leaving her position at the end of BO's first term whether he wins or not, she needs the time to start campaigning for 2016. She also needs to present herself as responsible and credible and begin to distance herself from BO's presidency. When she is free the story may change.
    16 Oct 2012, 11:28 AM Reply Like
  • K202, She comes away bigger and better in the end. She does something O' has never done...take responsibility.
    16 Oct 2012, 11:30 AM Reply Like
  • She will come off as incompetent at best. Her political career is over. Bye bye Wonder Dog.
    16 Oct 2012, 11:41 AM Reply Like
  • If Clinton really wants to take responsibility, she ought to resign. Saying "Mea Culpa" is not enough, imo Funny how she did this right before a big debate.
    I guess this move might help her retire the rest of her debt from the 2008 campaign. There's got to be something in it for her.
    16 Oct 2012, 02:05 PM Reply Like
  • No doubt that there is something in it for her. That's the right perspective.
    16 Oct 2012, 02:10 PM Reply Like
  • http://bit.ly/RCNPmc
    17 Oct 2012, 12:21 PM Reply Like
  • Nothing unusual. A123 files for bankruptcy. Assets to be bought for $125 million by JCI. Federal grant of $249 million down the tubes!

    http://yhoo.it/TqLGu0
    16 Oct 2012, 12:01 PM Reply Like
  • Was that not thier 4th grant now down the tubes.
    16 Oct 2012, 05:42 PM Reply Like
  • They bribed administration officials for stim money.

    A123 Systems CEO David Vieau showered Barack Obama, the Democratic National Committee and key Democrats on Capitol Hill with nearly $17,000 before receiving the stimulus injection.


    Michigan, former Democratic Gov. Jennifer Granholm gave them money to keep jobs in her state. (another stimulas).

    Former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi visited the company headquarters and hailed it as a “great example of how Recovery Act funding is helping American companies.” In addition to nearly $300 million in Obama Recovery Act funds, Granholm kicked in another $135 million in tax credits and subsidies to bribe the company to keep jobs in her state.

    They got a loan from Energy department. (another chunk of money that wont be paid back)

    Feb 2012, U.S. Energy Department had cut off what was left of its $528.7 million loan it had previously received.”

    source for above info

    http://bit.ly/TtTxGV
    16 Oct 2012, 05:54 PM Reply Like
  • I'd sure like to be in the audience tonight armed with that information for a good question.
    16 Oct 2012, 06:39 PM Reply Like
  • Here's a dozen companies in the "Green" Graveyard list. I believe * but you can verify if you care that much) that all of these were government funded. The government has a long history of backing the wrong horse.
    Abound Solar (Loveland, Colorado), manufacturer of thin film photovoltaic modules.
    Beacon Power (Tyngsborough, Massachusetts), designed and developed advanced products and services to support stable, reliable and efficient electricity grid operation.
    Ener1 (Indianapolis, Indiana), built compact lithium-ion-powered battery solutions for hybrid and electric cars.
    Energy Conversion Devices (Rochester Hills, Michigan/Auburn Hills, Michigan), manufacturer of flexible thin film photovoltaic (PV) technology and a producer of batteries and other renewable energy-related products.
    Evergreen Solar, Inc. (Marlborough, Massachusetts), manufactured and installed solar panels.
    Mountain Plaza, Inc. (Dandridge, Tennessee), designed and implemented “truck-stop electrification” technology.
    Olsen’s Crop Service and Olsens Mills Acquisition Co. (Berlin, Wisconsin), a private company producing ethanol.
    Range Fuels (Soperton, Georgia), tried to develop a technology that converted biomass into ethanol without the use of enzymes.
    Raser Technologies (Provo, Utah), geothermal power plants and technology licensing.
    Solyndra (Fremont, California), manufacturer of cylindrical panels of thin-film solar cells.
    Spectrawatt (Hopewell, New York), solar cell manufacturer.
    Thompson River Power LLC (Wayzata, Minnesota), designed and developed advanced products and services to support stable, reliable and efficient electricity grid operation.
    16 Oct 2012, 08:12 PM Reply Like
  • Didn't help Romney when the moderator was doing fact checking on him during the debate. In the Rose Garden, apparently BO did use "terror" or "terrorism," but that wasn't directly related to Benghazi. Anyway, after that they were still saying it was a reaction to that YouTube movie -- not a planned attack on the consulate. Looks like Romney's point was valid.
    17 Oct 2012, 12:04 PM Reply Like
  • Ms. Crowley admitted that she got it wrong. http://cbsn.ws/RCcfgf I found it telling that the moderator had to defend the president when he couldn't defend himself. She had to pull his fat out of the fire when the discussion turned to Fast and Furious as well. http://fxn.ws/U5TQNA I guess that wasn't the discussion of guns that she wanted to have. While I saw no clear winner and no knock out moments I doubt this debate helped the president at all. It will however give more cover to the LSM to get their polling data straight. They will show Romney getting slightly more ahead and say that the debate didn't blunt Romney's momentum. In reality it will be the reporting that changes to reflect reality. Until now they have been trying to influence and shape the election. Now they must cover their butts as it's not going their way and their credibility is at risk.
    17 Oct 2012, 06:27 PM Reply Like
  • Ms. Crowley's fact checking got the applause from the audience, and I'll bet the casual TV viewer saw it as a plus for BO.

    One thing that really puzzles me is what is so horrible about Romney's saying "a binder full of women."
    18 Oct 2012, 11:13 AM Reply Like
  • "Ms. Crowley's fact checking got the applause from the audience, and I'll bet the casual TV viewer saw it as a plus for BO."

    I know how I reacted and nothing more. I watched enough of the debate to observe Crowley's interruption (and unjustifiable contradiction) of Romney on Libya and cutting him off on the auto bailout. It was clear to me "the fix" was in for Obama and I turned off the TV.

    Only time will tell how the public reacted to the debate and Crowley's participation in it. Drudge report yesterday linked an article on breitbart.com that Crowley interrupted Romney 28 times versus 9 times for Obama. In comparison with the first debate, Lehrer reportedly interupted Romney 15 times vice Obama 5 times.

    Drudge also linked http://bit.ly/T1Ctra
    "Bizarre Coincidence: Democrats Get More Time in All Three Debates"

    I'm thinking my future visits to CNN TV channels and website will be minimal after I compile a list of major advertisers with them.
    18 Oct 2012, 11:43 AM Reply Like
  • robert.b.ferguson, you probably are being overly generous in saying that the reporters from major media have their crediblity at risk. I would suggest that there is a reason that Fox News had as many viewers as ALL other cable networks combined for the debate coverage. All the other media are in the bag for Obama and most objective viewers realize this. I wonder why the Republicans continue to go along with moderators that are obvious in their political preferences. Two against one just isn't fair but it is also nothing new.
    17 Oct 2012, 07:26 PM Reply Like
  • aretailguy: Greetings. While you and D-inv are correct IMHO that doesn't necessarily translate to an advantage. Americans like a fair fight and view interference by the ref as a bad thing. Whether it's the scab refs of NFL fame making bad calls or the second base umpire blowing a crucial call in the playoffs the viewers don't like it. Especially if they see it as a bias toward one team or the other. The obvious bias here and the willingness of moderators to intercede on behalf of the incumbent could very well backfire. It makes the incumbent look weak when he's unable to defend himself and relies on a complicit moderator to bail him out.
    19 Oct 2012, 10:30 AM Reply Like
  • When their trusted news-readers slant their "reporting," I'm afraid many citizens, busy with their jobs and social lives, simply assume whatever they said must be true. BTW, CNBC is more of a financial channel than a news channel, but they are pretty solidly pro-Romney. Immediately after the last debate CNBC's John Harwood called it an "awkward" moment when Ms. Crowley stepped in and did her "fact-checking" -- thus bringing attention to this impropriety.
    20 Oct 2012, 08:50 AM Reply Like
  • The third and final debate will be held tonight. No one will be watching. It's up against a divisional NFL game Lions at Bears. It's also up against game seven of the MLB, NLCS Cardinals at Giants. My guess is that even the new music show with Taylor, Swift and Ryan, Seacrest on the CW will have a bigger audience. There are very few undecided voters left out there IMHO. The first Presidential debate got over 67M veiwers and the second one over 65M. http://bit.ly/QC1I5C The Vice Presidential debate drew over 50M veiwers. Only political junkies and those hoping for a knock out moment will watch live. Everyone else will wait for the highlights and expect both sides to claim victory.
    22 Oct 2012, 01:08 PM Reply Like
  • I guess my wife and I are "political junkies" since we did watch it.

    However, since there were no highlights, you won't find out what happened. ;-)
    23 Oct 2012, 09:03 AM Reply Like
  • "Only political junkies and those hoping for a knock out moment will watch live. Everyone else will wait for the highlights and expect both sides to claim victory. "

    Reported viewer counts will be an interesting statistic. I think that count will rest heavily on how it is calculated. I would not be surprised is large numbers of viewers did a lot of channel switching between "the debate" and other programs -- Republicans looking for Romney to deliver a knock out punch, Democrats looking for ammunition to psych up their lukewarm members enough to get those lukewarmers to the polls, undecideds looking for another datapoint they consider significant, and mortal combat buffs looking for entertainment.
    22 Oct 2012, 01:32 PM Reply Like
  • The leach mentality illistrated below is NOT party specitfic. I think this joke however brings home some of the issues with this election.

    I have also noted in what seems to be going on in this election cycle a mentality where we are trying to drag down the strong not lift up the weak and of course the attacks on wealth in general instead of the corrupt will just make the rich poorer not the poor richer which will lead to a poorer nation overall!!!

    Funny joke....until you realize what it is saying about our country, then it becomes a horor story.


    A Republican, in a wheelchair, entered a restaurant one
    afternoon and asked the waitress for a cup of coffee.

    The Republican looked across the restaurant and
    asked, "Is that Jesus sitting over there?"
    The waitress nodded "yes," so the Republican
    requested that she give Jesus a cup of coffee, on him.

    The next patron to come in was a Libertarian,
    with a hunched back. He shuffled over to a booth, painfully sat down,
    and asked the waitress for a cup of hot tea. He also glanced across the
    restaurant and asked, "Is that Jesus, over there?"
    The waitress nodded, so the Libertarian asked
    her to give Jesus a cup of hot tea, "My treat."

    The third patron to come into the restaurant was
    a Democrat on crutches. He hobbled over to a booth, sat down and
    hollered, "Hey there honey! How's about getting me a cold mug of Miller
    Light?" He too looked across the restaurant and asked, "Isn't that God's
    boy over there?"

    The waitress nodded, so the Democrat directed
    her to give Jesus a cold beer. "On my bill," he said loudly.

    As Jesus got up to leave, he passed by the
    Republican, touched him and said, "For your kindness, you are healed."
    The Republican felt the strength come back into his legs, got up, and
    danced a jig out the door.

    Jesus passed by the Libertarian, touched him and
    said, "For your kindness, you are healed." The Libertarian felt his back
    straightening up and he raised his hands, praised the Lord, and did a
    series of back flips out the door.

    Then, Jesus walked towards the Democrat, just
    smiling. The Democrat jumped up and yelled, "Don't touch me .... I'm on
    disability."
    22 Oct 2012, 01:59 PM Reply Like
  • Double, Guns: Greetings. It's a sad commentary indeed but a true one as well. http://bit.ly/PMPCJX Unfortunately it's becoming a cottage industry for lawyers as well. http://bit.ly/T7ah6r Now our government is advertising for dependancy.http://bit.ly/PMPE4v Go figure! With your permission I would like to copy and paste your comment to the Breakfast Club tomorrow.
    22 Oct 2012, 03:47 PM Reply Like
  • Great story!
    22 Oct 2012, 04:20 PM Reply Like
  • You are always welcome to post my comments any where they may be of use.
    22 Oct 2012, 04:42 PM Reply Like
  • Thank you sir!
    23 Oct 2012, 10:18 AM Reply Like
  • New PQC for the final two weeks of the election.

    http://seekingalpha.co...
    23 Oct 2012, 12:42 PM Reply Like
  • Entirely fitting to the discussion :-(

    http://bit.ly/WVMoWv

    http://bit.ly/RiOpp1
    29 Oct 2012, 02:14 PM Reply Like
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