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  • Political QuickChat 6: Jan. 30, 2013 173 comments
    Jan 30, 2013 1:53 PM

    This is to vent your politics and to allow the original QC to breath without political noise. All correspondences should remain civil and impersonal.

    The best experience for a Political QuickChat is to have a friendly debate on a wide variety of political views. So if you have some ideas please post them, we only learn from good dialogue.

    I want to thank everyone who has participated to date.

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  • Stay thirsty my friends...
    30 Jan 2013, 02:05 PM Reply Like
  • Author’s reply » Thats two golds today. Do you have any stock picks for the day...or lotto numbers for that matter.
    30 Jan 2013, 02:09 PM Reply Like
  • I wish. But nope, just two lucky stumbles...
    30 Jan 2013, 02:15 PM Reply Like
  • http://huff.to/XNgvun

     

    Like this was a surprise..But i believe the next 2 months will be very interesting.

     

    I think were going over the cliff folks!!
    1 Feb 2013, 07:05 AM Reply Like
  • You first. I'll follow.
    1 Feb 2013, 08:04 AM Reply Like
  • Quite frankly, i would never even be that close to you..sorry!!
    1 Feb 2013, 08:14 AM Reply Like
  • DHS up to some shady deals with fake companies?

     

    http://exm.nr/Ws05Ml
    5 Feb 2013, 11:02 AM Reply Like
  • Manti has an imaginary lover and DHS has an imaginary business partner. Who knew? Is the ammunition imaginary as well? Sounds like a skimming operation!
    5 Feb 2013, 01:09 PM Reply Like
  • Posted this at the old blog. Moving it here since it seems rather important to the issues going on now.

     

    Labor unions now up in arms over Obamacare. Seems they finally read the bill.

     

    http://bit.ly/WAwj7J
    5 Feb 2013, 11:03 AM Reply Like
  • The Union higherarchy knew all along. They are trying to appear as if they didn't so the rank and file won't hold them responsible. I hope the Stewards are doing their job and pointing this out to the members.
    5 Feb 2013, 01:11 PM Reply Like
  • This bill is lovely in two ways... First they had to pass it to know what's in it..

     

    Later it gets rolled up tight, and now they have to feel it to know what it's in...

     

    Genius.
    5 Feb 2013, 02:26 PM Reply Like
  • The main problem with socialized medicine or socialized anything, is that the amount of supply is not changed. The only thing that can increase supply is new technology. Since new technology about how to make more of things and more better things in the same amount of time or even less time cannot just be mandated at will, the only thing that can be mandated is a subsidy for consumption.

     

    What happens then, is that the demand skyrockets, but supply can't be changed, so price inflates. That is not politically popular, so gov nationalizes the industry, but since the gov can't magically create more supply either, instead of raising the price, they just ration. So now, in order to stop the fear that the evil coercion free markets might some day deny care, the gov just jumps in and guarantess that people are denied care.

     

    What you hear is that everyone deserves healthcare. What you don't hear, is that some how we can magically create enough supply so that everyone can get the level of healthcare they desire. What you also don't hear from the self proclaimed compassionate is that they are willing to donate their entire fortunes to get people healthcare.

     

    Well if they don't believe they should sacrifice, I don't see why anyone else should believe that either.
    5 Feb 2013, 02:40 PM Reply Like
  • I hate Obamacare.

     

    I am 100% in favor of socialized medicine.

     

    ObamaCare was the only way to take a first step toward socialized medicine because of the induced stupidity of the American people by the lobbyists against socialized medicine. Thus, I must love the Obamacare that I hate.

     

    You see, you get a piece of crap legislation for not giving in to what is better and what is done in every other "developed country" in the world. That's democracy... Obamacare sucks because of conservative Fox news Limbaugh horsefeather insanity, not because of the idea of socialized medicine.

     

    Everyone needs health. One group is cheaper than many.

     

    My two freaking neo-liberal-conservative irritated rock stuck in my plumbing kidney stone self cents.

     

    (And jhooper, write as long a response as you want, but I guarantee that I read NOTHING you write anymore, so don't expect a response to your irrational tautological academic horsefeathers)
    5 Feb 2013, 02:19 PM Reply Like
  • If there's one lesson I could manage to teach anyone, is never give another person the power to insult you. The freedom is unbelievable. Imagine a world where no one was ever insulted. 99.9% of all our problems would go away.
    5 Feb 2013, 02:25 PM Reply Like
  • The other lesson I would teach is to only comment for your own personal benefit. Never comment for the benefit of others. If they draw benefit from what you say, that's fine, if they don't that's fine, and if it makes them go home and cry into their Cheerios, well that's fine too. I only comment as an avenue to benefit my own actions. Other commenters give me their feedback, and then that gives me something to think about. If I find something about what they say to be logical then I consider that, and if I find something they say to be just a bunch of platitudes, well then I consider that from the perspective of what talking points are currently circulating to obfuscate the truth. It would be like having a Seeking Catholicism website in 16th or 17th century Spain, when church and state were one. You could go to the website run by the church to see what talking points the nobility and the church leadership were coming up with in order to keep the peasants in line.

     

    SA does the same thing for me. I get to see what talking points are going to be used to take my healthcare away and how it will be used as a bargaining chip to control the rest of my life. What I have learned is that, "healthcare is different", "everyone needs health", "one group is cheaper", etc. Its an old tactic that stems from the "public good" talking point.

     

    Notice how Bossuet uses the "public good" argument for the tyranny of Absolutism.

     

    http://yhoo.it/QFSeYM
    5 Feb 2013, 02:54 PM Reply Like
  • JS

     

    No reponses from you? Oh well there goes SA..Close up shop!! ROFL...
    5 Feb 2013, 07:32 PM Reply Like
  • InT, seems to me your remarks to JS raise question about utility of reading your posts.

     

    Jon stated his intended course of action. Why would anyone expect him to respond to comments he has stated he would read no more?
    5 Feb 2013, 11:29 PM Reply Like
  • Jon, I don't see how socialized medicine leads to one group. It almost assures many groups with significant percentages of people paying for medical care twice -- continuous payout for health care of others with periodic and occasional irregular payout for personal family care.

     

    The much vaunted, high quality U.S. health care system has to date pronounced me "dead man walking" twice, once more than 50 years ago and again 10 years ago. I have found the system quite good at times and horrible at others. There is no way I will tolerate a monopoly delivery system whether one calls it socialized medicine or an HMO system.
    5 Feb 2013, 11:51 PM Reply Like
  • Disagreeing and seeking truth are not the hallmarks of tyrants. Tyrants are thieves and rapists, and quelling dissent is the same reason the rapists clamps his hand over the victim's mouth. When Napoleon took over France there were 83 newspapers in Paris, in the span of a few years, that number had dropped to 4. What's really interesting, is that the drive to quell dissent starts in schools. The universities are the biggest culprits. The place where you would think a diversity of ideas and thus a love of free speech would be most prized is the place where it is most hated. This goes to show that a blind faith in a "formal" education is more about fundatmental dogmatism than it is about truth.

     

    Its one thing to debate and want to change another person's mind, but to want to avoid debate all together by trying to keep other people from speaking is evidence that people have something to hide. It's most likely the result of the real issue at hand here, which is not family, or community, or collective, or all working together, its about control. Control is really the theft of another person's labor. Theft requires fraud, and fraud is not allowing the protest of the truth. As such, the people pushing for all this control cannot afford dissent. If honest debate were allowed, then the truth would get out. As such, the quelling of dissent must begin early to get people conditioned and socialized into accepting the quelling of dissent.

     

    Check out these guys. They provide great insight into the hypocrisy of higher education, and how the quelling of dissent begins early.

     

    http://bit.ly/VGw0du
    6 Feb 2013, 08:42 AM Reply Like
  • I have a friend that lives in Canada, socialized medicine, and his company purchases him additional health care insurance because the state supported health care is so poor. There are doctors that only will take the additional coverage apparently. So obviously even with socialized medicine some have the state care, not so good, and others have the health care that delivers better and quicker service now or they can come to America for thier care since they have insurance to cover that.

     

    My mother in law lives in Japan, socialized medicine and the hospitals collect money while patients are in the beds. My mother in law went in for back trouble at about the age of 72-74 and over 1 month later she was still laying in bed complaining but getting no treatment.

     

    My wife had to fly back to japan and threaten to remove her to another hospital if they did not fiure out what treatment she was going to get. Long story short they did treat her and she got out of the hospital within a short period of time but she was just a paycheck for the hospital in the socialized medicine care system that the state paid for and had no time to audit all the patients.

     

    Moral of the story is socialized healthcare comes with many problems. We simply will exchange one problem for another. Maybe we should have socialized feeding centers where everyone gets the same meal and is fed the same food all across the world. It seems to make as much sense as anything else that gets socialized.

     

    I guess we could also socialize the auto industry and everyone can drive East Germany's Trabant or a Soviet Zaporozhets govt car made for the masses.

     

    My final thought on this is dragging down the service level so that all get the same service seems foolish. We should be trying to entice those at the bottom to espire to get the finer things in life through hard work, perseverance, staying in school etc.....when the govt took over the act of charity via taxes and threat of imprisonment our country lost its sense of charity, its no longer passed on to our children and there is no more empathy from those who make it to the top for those who are still climbing out of the gutters.

     

    The govt destroys and pollutes EVERYTHING it touches right down to the moral fabric of our country. I firmly believe it will destroy itself rather than ever admit it has gone to far. As BO firmly stated "We are not a Christian Nation anymore". I pray he is not only wrong but that at some point we prove him wrong and charity returns to the hearts of people and they pass that on to their children and grand children.

     

    It requires neither a turn to the right nor the left. It requires a complete U-turn.
    5 Feb 2013, 06:57 PM Reply Like
  • "The govt destroys and pollutes EVERYTHING it touches right down to the moral fabric of our country."

     

    The tendency for gov to do this is because of its access to coercion. Coercion is either used to steal or as a defense against stealing. Gov is given a grant of coercion to protect us from stealing, but that grant of coercion makes gov attractive to thieves. Of course thieves never tell you they are thieves, we have to figure that out for ourselves. As such, thieves are always accompanied by fraud. The fraud can be the cover of darkness, or by a "line" that promises reward when the goal is actually theft.

     

    This is why govs are always promising the "public good" or the "public interest" or the "common good" or "socialized", and how do the plan to achieve that lofty goal? All they need is to control you. In other words they want an unlimited claim on your labor. An unlimited control on labor is known as slavery. So in order to have "socialized" health or "socialized" anything requires slavery. Slavery leads to austerity because once someone has control over you, all the incentives to deliver on the "common good" or "socialized society" promised to you, go out the door.

     

    This is why there are no fully "socialized" societies. They would starve in very short order. To the extent the so called socialists economies have anything at all is to the extent they have the enlightened ideals of capitalism. All these socialistic economies have capitalism making their lives possible. Its just the capitalistic part is not recognized, and often called the "black market".

     

    Obamacare will lead to the collapse of the insurance companies, and then they will be bailed out like the banks, but this time the will be nationalized, and we will get a single payer system, or rather a socialized one. When that happens and gov starts to deny care to people, the care will have to go underground in a black market, because people will still want healthcare even though the gov socialized system is denying it to them. Slaves will always look for a way to escape.
    6 Feb 2013, 08:36 AM Reply Like
  • Author’s reply » I agree DG. I don't know a lot of history but I don't believe their has ever been a prosperous society that has not over time surrendered itself to immorality (in a lot of sneaky forms) and shortly after reaped what they sowed.
    9 Feb 2013, 07:33 PM Reply Like
  • Markets and competition produce superior products and services at what are, necessarily, rational prices.
    6 Feb 2013, 12:21 AM Reply Like
  • Even in nat gas?
    6 Feb 2013, 07:56 AM Reply Like
  • You would have to have a free market in nat gas to find out. We have nothing close to that in energy, as such, we get coercive pricing rather than free of coercion pricing.
    6 Feb 2013, 08:23 AM Reply Like
  • Please tell me in what universe your 'free of coercion' market exists? The closest thing we have to that is the trading of OTC derivatives after the CFMA of 2000. That didn't quite live up to your theories, did it?
    6 Feb 2013, 09:12 PM Reply Like
  • When gov is not subsidizing. That's why derivatives get inflated. They are insurance products. The more risk gov subsidies,the more need there is to have insurance. Stop the gov coercion and you stop the bubbles and the drive to have insurance. Once again, the problem was gov coercion, not freedom.
    6 Feb 2013, 09:20 PM Reply Like
  • It can be unregulated insurance, free of coercion (there are other forms of derivatives). No one forced anyone to buy or sell those, least of all the the government. They were often purchased so banks could pretend to have less risk on their books, allowing them to increase their leverage. If the problem was coercion - it was coercion of our government by very wealthy entities who used money and lobbyists (and people like Rubin and Summers in very high positions) to insure that there would be no regulation in their playground.
    6 Feb 2013, 09:34 PM Reply Like
  • The gov coercion induced the extra buying and selling. It's an age old pattern. It's impossible to have no regulation. The market regulates. Gov coercion simply allows the largest players to make sure the rules are written to squash their competition which takes away their most effective regulators and gives them their least effective regulators, the gov regulators which can be bought off via the politicians and always will.

     

    Do you know who LM Shaw is?
    7 Feb 2013, 05:57 AM Reply Like
  • What makes gov sensitive to price is a market for gov. Imagine if all cities were private, and each city had to attract residents via incentives for city officers and the board. In other words, if the town council is in the hole, they get fired now instead of waiting for the next election. Disney world had to incorporate two cities to build Disney world, and if you think about immigration, its just people voting with their feet. When you go to Disney world, you're not really a tourist, but a temporary immigrant. Its time to open our minds (not close them) to new ways of thinking about what the world could be, instead of what the doom and gloomers tell us it can only be.

     

    http://bloom.bg/VUv6H1
    6 Feb 2013, 08:59 AM Reply Like
  • You need to start the music at the first link then read the article at the second link.

     

    And keep repeating, all is well, all is well, all is well....indeed!!!

     

    http://bit.ly/X5uUFU

     

    http://bit.ly/XoSwlf
    6 Feb 2013, 05:17 PM Reply Like
  • I thought this hit home very well with what seems to be going on in our country.

     

    "The time is coming, very soon I believe, when the sub-populous of sheeple will be used as cannon fodder to institute change in America on an unprecedented scale. It has happened many times throughout history. The establishment, seeking unlimited power, brandishes the dimmer subsections of the citizenry like a political Louisville Slugger, swinging them about wildly in an attempt to smash the ideological enemies of the state. Often, the sheeple are oblivious to the fact that they are being used as a weapon against liberty, and against truth. They only know that they must participate to “survive”, even if that survival ends up being a hollow and meaningless life."

     

    Full article below.

     

    http://bit.ly/11XJCOJ
    6 Feb 2013, 06:24 PM Reply Like
  • BO must be having a nervous breakdown. He can't remember what he said 2 months ago about vetoing a bill.

     

    http://bit.ly/TWb3ti
    8 Feb 2013, 07:16 PM Reply Like
  • So God made a liberal...

     

    http://bit.ly/XY9Z5S

     

    I know its a sickness and I can not help it.
    8 Feb 2013, 07:23 PM Reply Like
  • Author’s reply » It's not a sickness, its hilarious.
    9 Feb 2013, 07:35 PM Reply Like
  • Author’s reply » DG, If you didn't already know I thought you would be interested that Jonathan Cahn, the author of The Harbinger, gave the keynote address at the presidential inaugural prayer breakfast?

     

    Here is a link to his speech:
    http://bit.ly/YPh4He

     

    P.S. I checked all 13 local library branches and every copy is checked-out.
    10 Feb 2013, 01:49 PM Reply Like
  • I suggest you buy the book because you will have many family ,friends or even neighbors you care about you will want them to read the book. I can not think of a book that I have ever read that was so frightening, intriguing, mind boggling, historically educating etc....it really cleared up why I believe there are so many preppers, tea party folk, OWL's etc....Everyone knows things are not going well, they just have not identified the source of the feeling of doom. As LT or Jon Springer pointed out before, since 9/11 no one seems civil any more. There is a reason and its covered in that book.

     

    This book will give you the evidence and history to see that this is not coming from our minds but from our souls screaming out or being screamed at, I am unsure which but the message is the same. I think every American should read that book and I guess around where you live they all are....every book checked out at every single library. I say thank God for that unless its the dark forces that checked them all out trying to keep people from reading it.!!! (See how I am. I always have that copper colander close at hand.)

     

    These will have new meaning when you finish the book. This is directly from the mouth of The President of the United States.

     

    http://bit.ly/127GWCJ
    http://bit.ly/Y548tX
    11 Feb 2013, 01:59 PM Reply Like
  • I guess governments don't have a monopoly on coercion

     

    http://bit.ly/VkS6SN
    15 Feb 2013, 07:24 AM Reply Like
  • A monopoly of coercion is a grant of coercion from the populace. The intent is for the gov to use that grant to create free markets. You are confusing a grant vs an instance of coercion.
    15 Feb 2013, 07:45 AM Reply Like
  • jpau, your right but please look across the street and both ways because you will see so many others involved in that coercion too. Look at what unions do to get employees to "join" or keep them in line.

     

    I saw lots of union intimidation by the UAW union members directed at its own members at GE when I worked there. If someone worked to hard they were called a "job killer" and often their tool box would be sabotaged by "someone" on another shift. You can read about many of those situations from so many unions and companies all over the net.

     

    Both sides of that coin are ugly. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely and that is why monopolys are so evil whether its a business monopoly or a union with a monopoly on the labor force. Just look at our govt and its corruption. What makes it so sad is that it is one of the best of govts. We are all screwed if we do not work to remove that monopoly of power by the Federal govt and return a large portion of it back to the states and local govts.
    15 Feb 2013, 12:26 PM Reply Like
  • Access to the President for sale

     

    http://bit.ly/WnjLgS
    25 Feb 2013, 06:08 PM Reply Like
  • American Student Punished for Refusing to Recite Mexican Pledge in American school that does not require students to recite American Pledge. Seems no taxpayers dollars from outside of this school district should go to this school.

     

    http://bit.ly/XbvTFA
    27 Feb 2013, 04:07 PM Reply Like
  • IIRC this is not the first time that teacher pulled the "oath of allegiance" to another country stunt.
    27 Feb 2013, 05:04 PM Reply Like
  • More on the gun control debate.

     

    I love the line that "if we cut the horns off the gazell we would not get more gazells but we would get more predators."

     

    Those predators would have more gazells for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

     

    http://bit.ly/102LNRv
    5 Mar 2013, 04:13 PM Reply Like
  • Whittle rocks! (often anyway)

     

    I've recently discovered a 50 year old TV series, now out on pristine dvd--The Virginian. (also read the book years ago, a truly American classic) Anyway, it's set in Wyoming in the 1890's. Lots of themes: cattle ranch life, cowboy honor, the closing of the frontier, civilization and progress taking root, slowly evolving life from the law of the West, the law of the range, to the law of books... of course it's only TV, and it's actually pretty good TV... yet a really striking thing about it is not how it might or might not reflect the 1890's, but rather how it reflects America and American thought circa 1962 (the first season) and specifically the comfort our society used to seem to have with respect to armed citizenry, when it was a normal thing, a part of manhood, a part of citizenship, a simple fact and feature of life... That America (though not perfect) seems healthier to me somehow. I don't know, somehow civilization managed to survive... grew and produced tough capable people who endured and accomplished so much, who weathered the depressions and shouldered the wars, and built the bounty we have now... not perfect, but something definitely worked in that America, something that seems to be running thin now... not saying I want to go back to that nineteenth century--life for most was, uh, pretty rough, chewed up people right and left...but somehow it's all tied together still. National character matters. A citizenry of emasculated mice can never constitute and maintain a great nation. It's all still a tangle for me...I'm still puzzling it out, and surely will be forever, but right now I think I know this:

     

    We disarm ourselves, literally and figuratively, at our great peril.

     

    We cannot go quietly into that good night...
    Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
    5 Mar 2013, 05:19 PM Reply Like
  • Wapo article, http://wapo.st/ZmOqwJ , on economic effects of immigration that was referenced on APC213.

     

    Sure would like to know how anyone would expect to find immigration depresses minimum wages when the feds and every State around has minimum wage legislation.
    5 Mar 2013, 06:03 PM Reply Like
  • The Senate was entertaining today to say the least. Senator Ted, Cruz (R) TX goaded AG Eric, Holder into saying that drone strikes against US citizens in the US absent an imminent threat was unconstitutional. Meanwhile Senator Rand, Paul (R) KY was filibustering the candidate for top spy. He was later joined in that action by the afore mentioned Senator Cruz and two others including a Democrat. Cruz is also preparing to introduce legislation forbidding the the bypass of due process. CBS news is all over this so it would appear that the emperor's lack of clothing has become obvious. http://cbsn.ws/XX34JE His approval rating is taking a hit as more and more folks become informed.http://bit.ly/uTYQcP
    6 Mar 2013, 06:24 PM Reply Like
  • Teachers at war with tax payers in Ohio. The Kelly Kohls mentioned in this article is my tea party president.

     

    http://bit.ly/XMCROb

     

    Got it to the right place.
    29 Mar 2013, 05:05 PM Reply Like
  • Author’s reply » I remember these teachers unions in the mid-80's at my elementary school in Ohio, teachers laying in front of school buses and stuff. I had no clue what was going on but my Dad found it ironic and disturbing these were the people responsible and qualified for teaching his son.
    29 Mar 2013, 05:13 PM Reply Like
  • Just another tricky day at the White House. http://bit.ly/18YXQFj This is certainly an interesting read. So now we have the King trying to protect the woman who was in charge when this campaign against conservatives was started. http://bit.ly/17Vm9Fj No hip transplants for TEA party people! We have personal tax information being routinely leaked to liberal political action groups. Which is a felony. With more coming out to tell their story daily. http://bit.ly/10fNzxU http://bit.ly/17Vm8B8 Telephone records for hundreds of AP reporters being seized and reverberations from Benghazi getting louder every day. I wonder when the Fast and Furious documents will be released by the court? This is becoming a very hot summer in DC and we haven't even seen the last of the Muslim Brotherhood fanning the flames in the ME! Now we find that the EPA is in on the action as well. http://bit.ly/10fNBpH Are there any federal agencies in the executive branch that haven't become political weapons for this administration and the Democrat party?
    20 May 2013, 04:46 PM Reply Like
  • Robert, thanks for the links, particularly for those to Hot Air reporting on EPA FOIA actions and IRS release of private information.
    20 May 2013, 05:26 PM Reply Like
  • Just like Bush immediately got rid of Rice, Rumsfeld et al after their colossal screw-ups. Oh wait, Rice became Secretary of State. And it's a bit of a stretch calling organizational donor lists "personal tax info". Are orgs people too now? The AP phone records? I guess AP should have been a bit more indignant when the Bush administration started monitoring U.S. citizens emails and phone records; not just when the government started doing it to them.

     

    quote: Are there any federal agencies in the executive branch that haven't become political weapons for this administration and the Democrat party?
    Well, there's the US attorneys - that was the last administration http://bit.ly/17VyQQr
    20 May 2013, 05:44 PM Reply Like
  • Jpau, are you trying to say this is Bush's fault?

     

    All Joking aside we are now into a second term of a second idiot in charge of the executive branch. I think we are actually about 30 years down the rabbit hole but it seems to continue to get worse each time a new idiot comes along.

     

    Now I am curious what colossal screw ups your referring to and how do they compare to the present screw ups.

     

    I do not remember this many but I am not a youngster any more and I was not as "concerned and watchful" before my awakening.

     

    To date the biggies I see in this administration are
    1. Fast and Furious
    2. Extension of Patriot act
    3. NDAA
    4. CISPA
    5. Bengazi
    6. IRS
    7. First amendment attack on AP now growing to FOX .
    8. Second amendment attack

     

    There are numerous additional colossal screw ups inside each one of these colossal screw ups. And these are just the biggies and I might have missed some.

     

    I am thinking that the number of times I heard BO speak of transparency during the election process and the total lack of it today is only the pimple on the elephants ass as to how many times this man has lied. It simply is the worse I have ever seen.

     

    One of the most interesting things I saw the other day was when BO was asked who in the administration knew and when did they know about the IRS targeting. BO did not answer that question he simply stated that he did not know anything about the IG audit. The question was not about the audit.

     

    The commenter's noted that when people do that it is referred to as admission by omission. Obviously they knew so he claims he new nothing about something else not in the question.

     

    George did you chop down the cherry tree? No Dad I did not chop the post off the porch.

     

    So the administration knew and like the administration of Nixons knew and it led to impeachment. I am thinking its time here too. You can not use your power to attack the American people and expect to get a way with it with out penalty. Nixon also had a cover up. BO it would appear is on number 3, Fast and Furious, Bengazi and now the IRS enemys list. Wait till we find out who all was audited by the IRS.
    21 May 2013, 12:00 PM Reply Like
  • What colossal screw ups? Invading a country that had done nothing to us, not finding WMDs? Having no occupation plan? Not listening to the general who said you'd need far more troops (they fired him)? Costing more than a trillion dollars? Those are colossal screw ups that cost us (and other countries) far more lives than any mistake made in Benghazi. Perhaps you think Katrina was handled well (heck of a job, Brownie!) If extension of the Patriot Act is a screw up, what was passage of it in the first place? Oh, and we had a real chance to fix Afghanistan, but we took our troops out to go to Iraq and Karzai in a very tough position. Now we can't seem to fix it.

     

    Benghazi has been blown completely out of proportion, but the right wing media is expert at phony outrage. We get attacked during every administration. Beirut and Berlin under Reagan, African embassy bombings and the USS Cole under Clinton; the WTC.

     

    And please don't pretend that Bush didn't walk on amendments, like the 4th.

     

    None of this is meant to be a defense of what is happening. I hope the IRS and AP issues are thoroughly investigated. My original post, along with what I wrote above, merely expresses frustration that I have with people who seem to be acutely aware of every mistake made now, as if the Obama administration foul ups are unique in their severity.

     

    What's the problem wrt CISPA?
    21 May 2013, 02:13 PM Reply Like
  • And all of this is supposed to convince us that gov needs even more power to do attempt to do things it has no capacity to do?
    21 May 2013, 02:25 PM Reply Like
  • jhooper, you have a point. But I still think our government is broken because of money
    21 May 2013, 03:43 PM Reply Like
  • For the same reasons you separate church and state, are the same reasons you separate gov and the economy.

     

    Gov is just a security force to protect you from coercion. Trying to have it be some unifying force that attempts to use coercion to get us all to have the same personal preferences can never work. Gov can protect rights (which is how we say ownership rights), but it cannot not mandate values (like declaring everyone should contribute to a charity to help the poor).

     

    Doing so only creates the mess we have today, because what you get is everybody at everyone else's throat as they all try to use gov to enforce their personal preferences on everybody else. The US is just a few years away from political prisoners (whoops, your nonprofit group filed your form wrong, the law says you owe $10 million in taxes, since you can't pay, you go to jail).

     

    This is why you don't see any socialist economies in the world. They would all be at each other's throat in a matter of days, as everyone attempted to live off everyone else. All economies have to have an element of captialism in order to survive. This is why Finland and Denmark rank higher in economic freedom than the US does. If they were totally socialist, they couldn't survive.

     

    I expect the days are numbered for the UNITED States. The question may really be which union breaks up first - European or US. Republican or Democrat doesn't matter anymore. The only real division between people are Coercive and Voluntarists. The Coercives are winning as they occupy the majority of both Democrat and Republican, and their victory will be everyone's eventual loss.
    21 May 2013, 03:56 PM Reply Like
  • Government's primary duty is to protect, not provide. It may provide some things--emergency services, common infrastructure, canals, roads, bridges, ports, courts, post etc... but the balance should be vigilantly maintained to like 90% protect, 10% provide... and we've been WAY out of whack there now for decades. The coming realignment is going to be painful. Ultimately healthy, if it indeed doesn't kill, but painful.
    21 May 2013, 09:23 PM Reply Like
  • "And it's a bit of a stretch calling organizational donor lists "personal tax info"."

     

    "Colossal screw-ups" by Rice, Rumsfeld??

     

    Who I choose to donate funds to is personal and, if I choose to claim the donation as a charitable deduction, it is "personal tax info."

     

    "Well, there's the US attorneys ...." that dismissed voter intimidation charges brought by the Bush Administration against Black Panther operatives who stood in front of Philadelphia polling place brandishing clubs at potential white voters in the 2008 election.
    20 May 2013, 06:00 PM Reply Like
  • At this point it's obvious that the Democrats and their supporters are more concerned with circling the wagons to protect their guy and what they perceive as the advancements of their agenda under this administration. Any interest in getting to the truth by them was abandoned long ago. It's interesting that in the article it was a noted Republican that posed the question during the Water Gate hearings "What did the president know and when did he know it?". You couldn't get any Democrat congress critter or operative to ask that question about Voldemort. Even if you put a gun to their head. When will these people understand that the good of the republic is more important than preserving a failed presidency that they see as historic. Voldemort's legacy seems to be that he will be the Black Nixon!
    21 May 2013, 01:03 PM Reply Like
  • rbf: You couldn't get any Democrat congress critter or operative to ask that question about Voldemort. Even if you put a gun to their head. When will these people understand that the good of the republic is more important than preserving a failed presidency

     

    Wow, just go back several years, replace dem with republican and Voldemort with Bush. It works just the same. It's not unique to this administration.
    21 May 2013, 02:25 PM Reply Like
  • "It's interesting that in the article it was a noted Republican that posed the question during the Water Gate hearings "What did the president know and when did he know it?". "

     

    It is also interesting to note that a heck of a lot of Democrats supported Bush's invasion of Iraq in search of weapons of mass destruction and to remove of Saddam Hussein.
    21 May 2013, 02:52 PM Reply Like
  • There were some supporters - but I think most were afraid to be labeled as 'soft on terror'

     

    Maybe there would have been fewer supporters if they hadn't been given cherry picked intel. I guess dems aren't alone in not caring to find the truth.
    21 May 2013, 03:34 PM Reply Like
  • Hilary and Kerry voted for it. Overall 82 D congressmen and 29 D senators voted for the invasion of Iraq. My hero did not, Ron Paul. The most important point is it was put to congress for a vote not dictated but I would submit without the proper number of votes, lined up in advance, there may have never been a vote they may very well have just went in.

     

    Libya was never put to a vote and I believe in part because they would not have gotten the correct number of votes so the statists did not even put it to a vote. Its those types of differences that get argued over and to some thats all that really matters, when the argument about the invasion of Iraq comes up.

     

    In addition it was the intelligence report that led both partys to vote that way. That decision did not come only from the administration. Of course it was exactly what both partys wanted. Moar spending and that is why they so eagerly went in. Moar spending moar pork, moar bribes, bigger campaign war chests......BOTH partys same con.

     

    I absolutely agree the first passage of the Patriot act was evil, I disagree on Katrina, when the roads are taken out and it takes bringing in ships and helicopters to an area that is devastated with thousands of folks stranded there its a nightmare. The blame should start with the mayor and move up to the gov. They were the colossal failures that led to this disaster being so much worse. They let the people stay in a bath tub with a wall of water coming. Media heaped it on Bush but he had no authority to take over from the mayor and gov. Finally the fools that stayed there really deserve a vast majority of the blame too.

     

    Fools that complained that no one rushed in to help them the day after. Look where N.O. lays and figure WHERE would you stage equipment and MEN to move into where ever things were needed across Texas, Louisianan, Mississippi, and Alabama with a possible cat 5 storm coming. You can not be in the middle of the danger zone and loose all your staged equipment and you certainly can not figure out which roads will be gone after the storm.

     

    I do not blame that disaster on Bush any more than I blame Sandy on BO. Its personal responsibility first, local next, state then federal. Everyone was given a pass except Bush by the press and it does not required much of an objective look to see how the blame went. I could give all the equipment in the world to Brownie but if the roads are gone and/or covered with down trees, power lines and debris. Bridges were destroyed and damaged and needed inspected or repaired prior to bringing tons of supplies across them.

     

    We should not hold him responsible for the delays the damage caused in getting to New Orleans super dome which was a refuge OF LAST RESORT. Last resort is the last place you want to be but the fools went there and then complained about the service. Are you kidding me. Just how many rescuers lives should we risk to save those fools. I say before we drive 18 wheelers with tons of supplies down the highway we make sure we do not loose the supplies, collapse the bridges, and kill the rescuers, that takes time. It took 5 days for response in any numbers. I suggest everyone prepare accordingly. Helicopters IIRC were there in a couple of days but you can not haul that much on helicopters compared to 18 wheelers. Ships were many miles away of course.
    
    I could go on forever about Katrina but it probably matters little to most people, I just saw that as a complete failure of local resources right from the get-go. Did you ever see all those school busses flooded there. They could have been used to move folks out of town to a safer location but instead the busses drowned along with the people that should have been aboard those busses heading for safer ground.

     

    Jpau I have no problem with your criticism of Bush, I just wish you saw with clarity that our new idiot is no better and for many of us is much worse but the press simply gives him a pass and is not being fair with the news.
    22 May 2013, 10:23 AM Reply Like
  • Just go back a little further and replace Voldemort with Nixon jpau! That is how this is coming down. Benghazi is far worse than Watergate but this IRS business is even worse than Benghazi.
    23 May 2013, 02:39 PM Reply Like
  • Benghazi is far worse than Watergate

     

    I don't know if it's just an overdose of right-wing hate radio, Faux News or what that sends people so far over the edge of reason and compels them to so irrationally believe any nonsense about Obama. Yes, he has totally failed to live up to his promise to change things. Very little has changed, some things have gotten worse. He's a lousy president, much like the one before him.

     

    The IRS issue looks bad, but given the trumped up misrepresentation that destroyed Acorn; the dishonest attack on Sherrod; and knowing that the Republicans altered Benghazi emails - I think it prudent to not pass judgement until all the facts are in.
    23 May 2013, 09:43 PM Reply Like
  • Author’s reply » "an overdose of right-wing hate radio, Faux News that sends people so far over the edge of reason and compels them to so irrationally believe any nonsense" -- "Republicans altered Benghazi emails" oh?

     

    The so-called GOP version of the emails consisted of someone reading the talking points to ABC News and they used the words State Department instead of "concern of all equities" which ion that email chain was referring to to state equities. Their is no GOP version of the emails other than what some reporters reported as coming from a GOP reading of the emails.

     

    The liberal media appears to be doing a great job of discovering the "facts" and what is important in regards to Benghazi
    24 May 2013, 09:19 AM Reply Like
  • jpau: Greetings. I would say four dead people starting a cover up is worse than a burglary. Doesn't it bother you in the slightest that this administration including the POTUS lied to the world for over two weeks? Don't you want to know what orders the POTUS issued who he issued them to and if they were carried out? Don't you want to know the name of the official that handed the lying points to Rice and sent her out to lie to the world on the Sunday talk circuit? The IRS thing looks bad? Are you kidding? We have senior IRS officials knowledging that they targeted specific groups and then taking the fifth. We have senior White House officials now saying that they knew for a long time but never thought the POTUS should be told. Senior Treasury officials knew for over a year but told no one. So if these people don't know anything about their own departments, don't talk to anyone else about anything and then plead the fifth under oath why are they still employed by our government? No none of that matters to you. Just keep circling those wagons!
    24 May 2013, 02:19 PM Reply Like
  • "We have senior White House officials now saying that they knew for a long time but never thought the POTUS should be told. "

     

    Question is, Did they not tell him because he already knew?
    24 May 2013, 04:01 PM Reply Like
  • We are increasingly seeing this strategy employed in politics and business. Underlings know what the boss wants without having to be told. They take action to get those results without consulting the boss. Especially if those actions are unsavory or even criminal. That way the boss doesn't have his/her fingerprints on any of it and can deny all knowledge. Plausible deniabillity is the name of the game. Not long ago this wouldn't have worked because the boss was held responsible for actions carried out by underlings. Now; not so much and in the case of this administration not at all.
    24 May 2013, 04:19 PM Reply Like
  • r.b.f. I would say four dead people starting a cover up is worse than a burglary. Doesn't it bother you in the slightest that this administration including the POTUS lied to the world for over two weeks?

     

    Worse than a burglary? maybe? Worse than the POTUS (Nixon) telling his chief of staff to have the CIA tell the head of the FBI to back off of the investigation into the money trail surrounding the break-in? Not even close based on what we know right now.

     

    Yes, it bothers me, and I agree with Glenn Greenwald that when something like Benghazi happens, and the WH disseminates information that isn't true, it should be investigated to find out why.
    24 May 2013, 07:35 PM Reply Like
  • jakurtz: The so-called GOP version of the emails...

     

    You left out this: The Republican version quotes Nuland discussing, "The penultimate point is a paragraph talking about all the previous warnings provided by the Agency (CIA) about al-Qaeda's presence and activities of al-Qaeda."

     

    The actual email from Nuland says: "The penultimate point could be abused by members to beat the State Department for not paying attention to Agency warnings."

     

    Your portayal is hardly accurate

     

    btw, wasn't the original bad enough???
    24 May 2013, 07:38 PM Reply Like
  • "Maybe there would have been fewer supporters if they hadn't been given cherry picked intel. "

     

    And maybe Bush himself was misled and victimized by cherry picking of intel by others.
    21 May 2013, 03:47 PM Reply Like
  • By extension, isn't it equally possible that Obama has been mislead?
    21 May 2013, 03:52 PM Reply Like
  • Interesting info on IRS affair
    http://bit.ly/10Trfu0
    http://buswk.co/16O3lIg

     

    I wonder if this might yet be another case like Shirley Sherrod
    22 May 2013, 08:37 AM Reply Like
  • This will all blow over in a couple of weeks. Most people are educated in gov schools. This means they were never taught to be critical thinkers. They actually believe corporations pay income taxes, when actually the people involved with corporation pay income taxes. Worse yet, people still believe income taxes "fund" the gov, when in reality, a monetary system, like the US has, means the gov has monopolized the money medium, and the gov can spend regardless of what is collected via expropriation taxes like income taxes.

     

    So a majority of the populace is no longer concerned with scandal. Scandal implies that you can't trust the person to do the right thing. The right thing means protecting people's rights. Rights mean ownership in the assets your labor creates. The majority no longer cares about rights. They only care about taking what they can with their neighbor. They vote for people to go to Washington, and use gov guns to take their neighbors property and deliver it to them.

     

    That's why scandal is irrelevant, and why they are happy about what the IRS has done or wars that cost way more than they should. All we have now are competing groups that are only unified on one thing - who gets to control gov coercion to transfer their neighbor's wealth into their pockets.

     

    So as long as Obama or Bush or Weiner or Wrangel or Reid or whoever can deliver one person's wealth to whoever votes for the wealth deliverer, then scandal is irrelevant. If you can create a dependent class and give them just enough to get buy with cell phones, video games, and flat screen TVs in gov housing and gov school, then you have people that will keep you in office long enough for you to favor one producer of TVs and their union that allows you to become a mega millionaire like Clinton, Gore, Reid, and eventually Obama.

     

    We are watching how you create an aristocracy or an elite ruling class that has the monopoly of coercion and a broad peasant class. Its too late to stop the trajectory. Even if the US broke up its Union, the states breaking away would be right back where we are now in a few decades. The best hope you have is to find some way to be become of the ruling class or part of the secondary class that serves the ruling class, like bond traders, tax acctountants/attorneys, compliance consultants, political strategists, or one of the members of one of the favored businesses.

     

    The days of starting out small with a great idea for a product are practically over. The rise of the coercive society is going to choke it off. For those that whine about income inequality now, you haven't seen anything yet. Chavez wen't into office a poor politician promising equality. He died a billionaire, and only the general populace had an equality of poverty. The US is next. In fact, its already happening.
    22 May 2013, 09:49 AM Reply Like
  • jpau: Greetings. Wow they managed to dig up three instances. Two were from TX which is a hot bed of liberal activism! Now we have Ms. Lerner taking the fifth. http://wapo.st/12utV2M We have just gone from political witch hunt to senior administration officials trying to avoid criminal prosecution. Let me guess Bush had something to do with this right? After all he did promote Ingram http://abcn.ws/10PwbTR Gee what could go wrong with this concept. When will she be taking the fifth in front of Issa's committee?
    22 May 2013, 09:59 AM Reply Like
  • Shirley got bullied, Louis did the bullying. Thats a big difference. Shirleys speech was taken out of context and she never took the 5th nor needed to. Additionally Shirley did not stage a question that outed herself.

     

    Obama promoted Louis Lerner he did not fire her like he did Shirley. The promotion is simply going to add to this scandal. IMHO
    22 May 2013, 10:40 AM Reply Like
  • http://bit.ly/14JZfgf
    24 May 2013, 07:55 PM Reply Like
  • Did anyone actually view the link I placed above. I think you would see that it covers exactly what both of you just discussed. Look at the part by Judge Nepolitano. Just after Christopher Miller USMC
    12 Jun 2013, 09:52 AM Reply Like
  • Double Guns greetings. Indeed I did it's a good link. I have concluded that the NSA/Snowden leak story is a rabbit set loose by the administration for all to chase instead of focusing on the real abuses at the IRS, DOJ and EPA. All of this is old news repackaged to look like something new. The hook is that the allegations about data mining the servers of all the major ISP. Both the government and those providers are denying it and for once they are telling the truth. The catch is that since they have been caught in so many lies already no one believes them now when they do tell the truth! It's a very clever misdirection/disinform... campaign.
    13 Jun 2013, 05:11 PM Reply Like
  • I disagree robert. There was never any doubt about the government using warrantless wiretaps and beau coup wiretaps authorized by a secret court focusing on terrorism. But I do not believe it was common knowledge the government was data banking metadata on ALL domestic calls. I most certainly was not aware of that fact and object strenuously to the policy.
    13 Jun 2013, 06:18 PM Reply Like
  • DG, thanks for the video URL. My reaction to the vid was pretty straight forward -- the railing and ranting about superiority of Iceland's approach to its banking crisis was fatally flawed by failure to acknowledge two quite fundamental differences between Iceland and the U.S.. First, Iceland's economy and population are about 1/2 the size of one of the smallest U.S. States (Vermont). It's population today totals less than 316,000 people. Second, the U.S. dollar is a global reserve currency whereas Iceland's Kronur is not. You can be certain that more than one foreign government expressed concern to the U.S. government about losses their governments, banking systems, and economies would incur in event of systemic U.S. bank collapse and the devastating consequences that would have on the reserve role of the dollar.

     

    There is much about the bank bailout to find fault with, but holding forth on Iceland's action as a much preferable alternative is naive.
    13 Jun 2013, 06:45 PM Reply Like
  • I unfortunately was hoping to get folks to follow that vid past the Iceland issue and get to the good stuff at the end. Dont trust either party being the jist of what I feel is the most important part of that vid.

     

    I still think we should have left our TBTF banks go under and not bailed them out. No matter the consequences because we have other consequences to deal with now and I am not so sure its a better option but dismissing that argument the damage to capitalism is titanic in my opinion. We have started down a slippery slope from which there will be no return.
    14 Jun 2013, 06:23 AM Reply Like
  • D-inv: Precisely! None of this is NEW! It's old information available to any who wanted to look for it. Plugs, Biden and voldemort spoke out against these programs on the campaign trail before the 2008 election but put the whole thing on steroids once elected. The only allegation that could be considered as a new element is that the ISP gave unfettered access to NSA and other investigators for data mining. They all deny it happened as one would expect wether it was happening or not. Snowden was a very junior analyst and would not have had access to compartments other than the one he was working in. By claiming he had access to varied packets from multiple compartments he discredits the entire story. There are multiple redundant protocols in place to prevent just such spillage. The only way he could have information like that is if it was provided for him from other sources. That is the real story here. Who spoon fed him obsolete information to make him appear to know more than he did or could. Of course like the good lap dogs they are our pack of journalist hounds are dutifully off chasing the rabbit. Last week the big three networks ABC, NBC and CBS ran 23 stories about the IRS and two about Benghazi. This week there was one about the IRS and none about Benhgazi. You see the effect of chasing the rabbit? Once all is said and done I suspect we will find that no current information, methodology or personnel were compromised. Think about this. He is obviously well funded staying in luxury hotels in Hong Kong isn't cheap. If the Chinese thought him a valuable intelligence asset they would have snatched him already. If the US thought he was really inflicting serious damage they would have snatched him. You have heard of rendition right? I wonder what incentives he is being given to be the rabbit and ultimately take the fall for the criminal aspects in all of this?
    14 Jun 2013, 09:17 AM Reply Like
  • "Dont trust either party being the jist of what I feel is the most important part of that vid."

     

    That argument is vividly supported by a host of recent revelations.
    14 Jun 2013, 09:09 AM Reply Like
  • Amazing how this comment was deleted from Wallstreet breakfast this morning because:

     

    Dear doubleguns,
    We have deleted your comment because it contains material that is unrelated to the topic under discussion.

     

    My comment is below. I think it was deleted because folks are quite scared of this info getting out and wall street breakfast is front page. I assume it was a result of a lot of "complaints" being posted.

     

    MY COMMENT:

     

    Berkshire enters property & casualty market. Wonder how much info Warren got from the data base to help in this strategic decision. Not the NSA data base but the Obama data base.

     

    Guess who else has been collecting massive amounts of data on the American people? Barack Obama.

     

    According to those that have seen it, the "Obama database" is unlike anything that any politician has ever put together before. According to CNSNews.com, U.S. Representative Maxine Waters says that this database "will have information about everything on every individual"...

     

    "The president has put in place an organization that contains a kind of database that no one has ever seen before in life," she added. "That’s going to be very, very powerful."Martin asked if Waters if she was referring to "Organizing for America." "That’s right, that’s right," Waters said.

     

    "And that database will have information about everything on every individual in ways that it’s never been done before." Waters said the database would also serve future Democratic candidates seeking the presidency.

     

    http://bit.ly/1987gNR

     

    Content link: http://seekingalpha.co...
    14 Jun 2013, 12:35 PM Reply Like
  • Time to pick Helicopter Ben's replacement. Place your bets folks step right up. Which corrupt crony will get the top spot at the FED? Prognosticators near and far let your predictions be made now. http://yhoo.it/13fLIuA
    5 Aug 2013, 04:08 PM Reply Like
  • Has Snowden balkanized the internet? http://bit.ly/13fTbda Is the current US diplomatic post closure and travel warning an attempt to justify all of this snooping?
    5 Aug 2013, 05:23 PM Reply Like
  • It is certainly suspected, here, to be an attempt to justify its continuation. I, for one, say NOTHING new in Snowden's revelations other than the canvass of all communications as standard practice and storage of the info for scrutiny later if desired.
    5 Aug 2013, 11:11 PM Reply Like
  • Was that the other shoe?

     

    http://ars.to/187paQ0
    6 Aug 2013, 08:34 AM Reply Like
  • Jpau that is the whole crux of allowing this type of surveillance to continue or even exist. It is just too tempting as folks whisper about what they have in that database that eventually it gets tapped, just a little, then just a bit more, then quite often, then it becomes routine and its all going to be used against EVERYONE!!! Even by politicians who get slipped info from a "friend" at the NSA.

     

    This program simply has to be defunded and eliminated, period and that includes its mother the Patriot Act and a whole host of sibling laws too.
    The left gets it the right gets it and the independents get it but its a whole host of couch pototoes that simply could not be bothered that need to pay attention. Liberty lost is not easily recovered. Certainly not from the Republicrats and Demicians in Washington working on the progressive agenda designed to wrest our liberties from us to empower the elites who just want to take care of us stupid idiots. The "Take Care" part should scare the hell out of anyone who looks at these laws they have been passing.

     

    Where is this all heading.
    http://bit.ly/13YlxaR
    6 Aug 2013, 10:13 AM Reply Like
  • It's going to get worse. http://onforb.es/17vX5Qj That being said it could get better while getting worse. http://usat.ly/17vX5Qk It's clear that globalization includes spying on private citizens everywhere. Who will step forward with the plan for a better, more secure and unbreakable (For the moment.) cyber security environment? I'll bet some folks are already on it.http://bit.ly/17vX5Qm Reposted from WSB.
    6 Aug 2013, 05:03 PM Reply Like
  • Just when you thought you had reached rock bottom. CONgress exempted from Obamatax http://exm.nr/13KR2WB along with the IRS. We now have a situation where elites will have 75% of their health insurance subsidized while American families will be shelling out $20,000 a year for theirs. http://bit.ly/13KR4he Why? Because they will be the only ones paying the freight!
    6 Aug 2013, 05:11 PM Reply Like
  • So it begins. The long slow unwinding of the police state the US has become. http://bit.ly/13MaBS9
    9 Aug 2013, 01:30 PM Reply Like
  • Am I missing the sarc button. This is a ramp up of the police state I believe but wish so desperately so that it was not the case. I am wondering at what point will this turn around...soon, after civil war, never, when we run out of money will this be the last department that faces cut backs?

     

    What a failure of leadership in Washington, maybe it will change when the politicians find that their opponents can buy dirt on them from the NSA. I will contribute to that cause just to watch these two parties kill each other off while the monster they created gobbles them up one secret at a time.
    9 Aug 2013, 02:10 PM Reply Like
  • The government shut down appears to have caused mass hysteria among the progressive elite. http://bit.ly/1btIOvt I remember them touting similar rhetoric during the sequester furlough period.
    3 Oct 2013, 11:24 AM Reply Like
  • Hi RBF,
    Imagine, 800,000 people on furlough that work directly for the Federal Govt. This doesn't even include govt. contractors that may be furloughed shortly. How many people does the govt. employ (minus military and Border Patrol as expressly stated in the Constitution)? Talk about govt. waste. Is GS the real vampire squid?
    3 Oct 2013, 11:50 AM Reply Like
  • Veteran New York Times Reporter: “This Is Most Closed, Control-Freak Administration I’ve Ever Covered”

     

    http://bit.ly/17LwvXe
    6 Oct 2013, 11:35 PM Reply Like
  • FWIW, the main body of a letter I have sent to multiple Members of Congress follows.

     

    "The present ongoing dispute between the President, the Senate and the House of Representatives over federal government spending and provisions of the Affordable Care Act highlights strong challenges to the broad structural and functional concepts of government I was taught. The President has unilaterally decided to disregard some requirements of the Affordable Care Act and to defer effective dates of other provisions carrying statutory deadlines, i.e. - unilaterally re-write the law. The House of Representatives has effectively sought to deny that Presidential usurpation of legislative powers by first attempting to deny funding for implementation of the Executive's unilateral re-write of the Act, then to amend the Act. That is, the House of Representatives is acting in accordance with the responsibilities of their oath of office to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States while the Senate and the President, in contradiction to their respective oaths of office, are insisting on allowing the President's unilateral actions to stand.

     

    The fundamental question here is rule of men or rule of law. How is it that anyone who believes in rule of law (under the Constitution) over rule of men can even think of attributing fault for the current budget impasse to the Republican majority in the House of Representatives? Preservation of any semblance of a balance of power in the federal government demands defending the Constitutional delegation of powers. On the budget issue thus far in 2013 the majority in the House of Representatives should be applauded, not criticized, for their position and leadership.

     

    Know with certainty that any Member of Congress (Senator or Representative) who votes to support President Obama's and Senator Harry Reid's demands for full funding of the Affordable Care Act without legislative amendment or their demands for submission to Presidential dictates on the public debt ceiling is acting in support of RULE OF MEN and in violation of their oath of office. It is incumbent on Members of Congress to uphold and defend the Constitution and rule of law."
    7 Oct 2013, 09:54 AM Reply Like
  • The fundamental question here is can we allow a determined group of narcissists to hijack through extortion what they cannot accomplish via the legislative process.

     

    Claiming that the move to defund the ACA is directly aimed at changes that Obama unilaterally made to the plan is puerile to say the least.

     

    Another boner of a move by Obama though to give them anything that could be so easily used for a pretense.
    7 Oct 2013, 10:42 PM Reply Like
  • Note, jpau, that my text contained NO claims that Republicans have argued the "balance of powers" point of view or voiced rule of law versus rule of men. Those are MY arguments. Arguments I have shared with a number of Congressmen, including Speaker Boehner, EVERY MARYLAND MEMBER OF CONGRESS, and several so-called Republican "moderates". If you regard the arguments as "puerile" I regard you as incapable of objective critical thought on current political issues.

     

    re - narcissists. From Widipedia (http://bit.ly/16upSsq),
    "Narcissism is a term that originated with Narcissus in Greek mythology who fell in love with his own image reflected in a pool of water. Currently it is used to describe a person characterized by egotism, vanity, pride, or selfishness; an erotic gratification derived from admiration of one's own physical or mental attributes."

     

    Wikipedia's definition fits Obama and the Democrat leadership to a "T"!
    7 Oct 2013, 11:20 PM Reply Like
  • I have yet to see a better argument D-Inv. With your permission I would like to repost it on the breakfast club. The Senate reached a deal that the House Republicans will not vote for. http://usat.ly/H4q0og If this is to pass Boehner will have to void the Hastert rule and pass it with very few republican votes relying heavily on the Democrats. While doing that would allow the majority of Republicans to vote no it will still need some Republican votes. Those who vote for the measure may well become sacrifices during the primary season. Which ones will fall on their swords at the alter of more government spending, larger government overall and even higher debt?
    16 Oct 2013, 02:26 PM Reply Like
  • Thanks for the hat tip, robert. Please do share the argument.
    16 Oct 2013, 02:52 PM Reply Like
  • Your comment drew 9 likes last time I looked. Killer 454 posted this on the breakfast club this morning. http://cnb.cx/1auBtoW It is becoming increasingly clear that Obamatax is failing in a spectacular manner. Most sources give the number of enrolled was roughly 51K for the first week. I saw somewhere that at that rate it will take Obamatax over 50 years to enroll the 7 million required to make it solvent. That of course is assuming the number of those requiring insurance is static. The telephone number for the national Obamatax exchange is 1800FUCKYOU. I'm not kidding. I dialed it yesterday and it went straight there.
    18 Oct 2013, 05:13 PM Reply Like
  • Yes, it's too bad we didn't judge the Apollo program solely on Apollo 1. Pity we waited until Apollo 11 - 17 to get a fuller picture.

     

    That said, I worry the ACA may not reach the moon; but I do hope improvements will come with time.
    18 Oct 2013, 05:25 PM Reply Like
  • The Obamatax web site isn't tricky, dangerous or a new technology. It doesn't sell any product it's an information clearing house. It's been under construction for three years or more. Didn't anyone think to give it a performance check before rolling it out for public consumption. The excuse that too many people tried to access the site at one time. The number bandied about is 8 million the first week. Amazon.com does that volume daily. The NYSE does more transactions than that in minutes. Now you have to ask why the administration doesn't seem to care? My guess is that they expected this to happen so a crises arises.
    18 Oct 2013, 05:37 PM Reply Like
  • Thanks for the feedback, robert.
    18 Oct 2013, 10:20 PM Reply Like
  • D-inv: greetings. You're welcome thanks for allowing the repost. Here are some tidbits brought to us by interesting times on the breakfast club: http://bit.ly/1acDlYA
    http://bit.ly/1a5hrk1
    Obamatax, guns and ammo. Add to that the administrations penchant for sacking senior military officers that don't agree with the POTUS. This is all alarming stuff. Leave it to the government to spend $600M on a critical web site that is slower than snail mail and conducts dedicated denial of service attacks upon itself.
    25 Oct 2013, 12:58 PM Reply Like
  • robert ... Anecdotal reports of government (all levels) inefficiency, waste, and occasional incompetence are so commonplace and apparent there is little doubt it exists. But, the federal government's ACA health insurance exchange web site is in a whole different class. I find it hard to believe people in charge of developing the system are that incompetent; deliberate disruption of service to prevent disclosure of insurance policy premiums must be considered as a possibility. Disclosure of policy premium information gives a strong sense of who pays for Obama's legislative centerpiece, and how much.

     

    It has been evident to me from the outset of ACA enactment that the legislation poses very real economic recession and chaos risks. (Social peace is at risk when severe recession and economic chaos reign.) Everything seen, heard, reported by media to date regarding responses to ACA mandates has been nothing but foreplay. With implementation of individual mandate(s) the rubber meets the road.
    25 Oct 2013, 01:39 PM Reply Like
  • Posted by Wyostocks on the Breakfast Club.
    Putting things in perspective

     

    March 21st 2010 to October 1 2013 is:

     

    3 years, 6 months, 10 days.

     

    December 7, 1941 to May 8, 1945 is:

     

    3 years, 5 months, 1 day.

     

    What this means is that in the time we were attacked at Pearl Harbor to the day Germany surrendered is not enough time for this federal government to build a working webpage.

     

    Mobilization of millions, building tens of thousands of tanks, planes, jeeps, subs, aircraft carriers, cruisers, destroyers, torpedoes, millions upon millions of guns, bombs, ammo, etc. Turning the tide in North Africa, Invading Italy, D-Day, Battle of the Bulge, Race to Berlin......

     

    All while we were also fighting the Japanese in the Pacific!!

     

    And they can't build a working website in that time!!!

     

    Now...how screwed up is that?
    13 Nov 2013, 11:36 AM Reply Like
  • Hi RBF,
    Very screwed up, maybe by design?
    13 Nov 2013, 12:52 PM Reply Like
  • Fascinating perspective, there, RBF. One is left with the inevitable follow up question. Will the web site be fully operational before end of the V-J Day time frame?

     

    December 7, 1941 to August 14, 1945 (Japan surrender announced) spanned 3 years, 8 months, and 7 days. Will the government web site be fully operational at desired capacity by Dec. 9th?
    13 Nov 2013, 01:44 PM Reply Like
  • So what is happening that we have now fired 9 generals this year. Seems to be a purge of the military leadership is going on. There are many speculations but the one that concerns me the most is the question of will you fire upon us citizens?

     

    http://bit.ly/17UlGz8
    28 Oct 2013, 06:17 PM Reply Like
  • You are not alone in that concern, DG. Particularly when it is accompanied by capture and storage of metadata on all domestic telephone calls, emails, etc. regardless of probable cause, abuse of IRS tax filing information, purchase of massive amounts of ammunition by multiple agencies of the federal government, sale of MRAPS to local government police forces, deliberate misrepresentation of facts (Benghazi), ( Democratic Party leadership (Harry Reid) labeling of "Tea Party" representatives as 'terrorists', etc.
    28 Oct 2013, 08:28 PM Reply Like
  • This is really a great insight into the tea party, demicians and republicrats. An excellent read.

     

    http://bit.ly/1ctdhKy
    31 Oct 2013, 07:51 PM Reply Like
  • It's a biased diatribe that could easily be condensed

     

    Para 1: I started as a dem, so I have gravitas and I'm not just bashing

     

    Para 2: The power drunk liberal establishment has taken over, and it's so mean and unfair that they demonize those of us who alone can see the truth of things. ( I guess the writer slept past all the demonization of liberals, unions, etc that's been going on for a few decades)

     

    Para 3: We're the true victims of a defamation campaign in the mainstream media and liberal blogosphere, and the gov is training it's folks to treat us as a possible terror threat (ah, the victim card)

     

    Para 4: A very long section, with a smattering of partial truths, but with sweeping generalizations. Then there is this line:

     

    But, they want that system to operate on their terms and enforce their particular world views, which they believe not only politically correct, but sacrosanct.

     

    Um, please show me where the Tea Party is any different...
    1 Nov 2013, 08:18 AM Reply Like
  • Jpau, do you seriously believe complaining about threats from the govt is playing the victim card? This admin threatens so many people even the medical insurance CEOs are now being threatened. I would call that tyranny and the leading tyrant at present is BO. IRS threatened folks too. Firing generals, etc...... its just unbelievable and I just do not understand how folks defend it. I do not want a better tyrant, I want NO tyrant.

     

    Para 3: We're the true victims of a defamation campaign in the mainstream media and liberal blogosphere, and the gov is training it's folks to treat us as a possible terror threat (ah, the victim card)
    1 Nov 2013, 12:42 PM Reply Like
  • It is if you pretend you're alone in such 'persecution'

     

    http://wapo.st/Hwp7pG

     

    http://bit.ly/Hwp7pH

     

    Oh, and Bush (Rumsfeld) fired generals too - you know, like the guy who told him he needed more troops for Iraq
    1 Nov 2013, 01:41 PM Reply Like
  • Oh, and Bush (Rumsfeld) fired generals too....

     

    How many and what for.

     

    BO's tyranical record below.

     

    http://bit.ly/19XMb9W
    1 Nov 2013, 05:28 PM Reply Like
  • Your links perfectly demonstrate the tyranny we are all suffering from our govt. Today its the IRS and the NSA and the administration and the patriot act and the NDAA and this list keeps getting longer and longer. Bush probably had something to do with the FBI, he absolutely had something to do with the tyrannical patriot act. He signed it into law.

     

    When today's tyrant in charge's appointed IRS thug sent the IRS to audit me it cost me THOUSANDS of dollars in fees to accountants, and hundreds of hours in preparations. I ended up owing the govt an additional ZERO DOLLARS and ZERO CENTS. No consolation to my depleted check book however.
    1 Nov 2013, 06:37 PM Reply Like
  • jpau ... You ask, "Um, please show me where the Tea Party is any different... "
    in response to
    "But, they want that system to operate on their terms and enforce their particular world views, which they believe not only politically correct, but sacrosanct."

     

    "Tea Party" proponents do indeed want "the system" to operate on their terms and enforce their particular world views" as much as the liberals holding sway in the White House and Senate and the "Establishment Republicans" leading the House majority.

     

    The difference between "Tea Party" and the others lies in the basis for their world views where "Tea Party" advocates strongly for elected officials to respect their oaths of office. The President and all Members of Congress swear to "support and defend the Constitution" giving both form and substance to rule of law (built on the Constitution's foundation) administered by a government constrained to enumerated powers. This President and Democrat leadership (if not all Democrats in Congress) hold a different world view envisioning a much more omnipresent government which THEY control. "Establishment" Republicans differ in world view from the Democrats with respect to WHO controls government and minor differences on size of government. In a nutshell, we are currently in a cold war between advocates of rule of law under the constitution and practitioners of rule of men.
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    1 Nov 2013, 12:02 PM Reply Like
  • The difference between the Tea Party and the others lies in the respect the others still manage to show (sometimes) for the democratic process. While far from perfect, the dems and reps at least still understand that the side with the elected majority passes laws subject to the checks and balances of our constitution, and within the house and senate rules. Compromise is often needed to get things done.

     

    What they don't do (much) is render government unworkable and threaten to burn down the entire economy if they don't get their way, especially when representing less than 15 percent of the voters. I see it not simply as a difference between rule of law/men, but rather those who have some respect for the democratic process, as opposed to those who do not.
    1 Nov 2013, 02:02 PM Reply Like
  • "the dems and reps at least still understand that the side with the elected majority passes laws subject to the checks and balances of our constitution"

     

    Wow, I would say that's about as far from reality as you can get. Just about all the Dems and lesser so for the Reps, both are working towards a dictarorial, slave state, with a rich ruling elite and a wide peasant class. All the rhetoric about order and compassion is no different than all the same arguments used in the centuries past to achieve the same end.

     

    If you exam the arguments for slavery, they were based on compassion and the benefits to the society from an improved economy by impossing a maximum wage regulation on slaves.

     

    Oppression can be voted on in the democratic process just the same as freedom. All you need is 51% figuring out they can enslave the other 49%, and even though the vote was held and the majority won, the result was tyranny.
    1 Nov 2013, 02:18 PM Reply Like
  • "The difference between the Tea Party and the others lies in the respect the others still manage to show (sometimes) for the democratic process. "

     

    Republican respect for the democratic process was shown to some extent in the fiscal year-end budget conflict by the Republican leadership in the House working with the entire House to pass budget measures. Senate Democrat leadership showed no respect of any kind for any point of view that differed from theirs, pronouncing House passed measures dead before arrival. Obama and Senate Democrats totally insisted on their way or NO way. So much for your "compromise is often needed to get things done." ALL they did was demand their way or NO way and (with support of House leadership) violation, of the spirit of constitutional assignment of authority to originate spending bills to the House.

     

    Anyone who thinks "Tea Party" and similar voters comprise "less than 15 percent" of the electorate is delusional IMO.

     

    jpau, I strongly suspect we are done talking.
    1 Nov 2013, 03:00 PM Reply Like
  • Who really shut down the govt. Fortunately the facts can not be changed. Who really shut down the govt. Congress has the purse strings and they fully funded the govt except the ACA. Dems had a hissy fit and shut down the govt with the statement they would NOT compromise. Congress was doing the job we elected them to do in 2010. Block the out of control spending.

     

    http://bit.ly/19XN1n4
    1 Nov 2013, 05:38 PM Reply Like
  • In the minds of many average liberals, government is the only recourse to affect their battle against corporate dominance. When faced with a person or group of people espousing the principles of limited government, reduced spending, reduced taxes, and cuts to bureaucracy, liberals immediately presume that those people are seeking to support the corporate oligarchy by de-fanging government and removing their greatest weapon.

     

    Tea Party and Liberty Movement conservatives do indeed seek to de-fang government, but we have also broken from the Republican orthodoxy and recognized that government actually colludes with corporate elites on the most vital issues.

     

    We understand that they are part of the same monstrosity, and so, we are just as uncompromising in our fight against big government as we are against unaccountable business.

     

    This confuses liberals who are so acclimated to the traditional boundaries of debate between Left and Right.

     

    The last statement is so important it bears repeating.....TWICE!!!

     

    This confuses liberals who are so acclimated to the traditional boundaries of debate between Left and Right.

     

    This confuses liberals who are so acclimated to the traditional boundaries of debate between Left and Right.

     

    We need to have the argument centered between tyranny and individual sovereignty before we head down the road to become the National Socialist German (American) Workers' Party.
    1 Nov 2013, 05:59 PM Reply Like
  • http://bit.ly/19h6sJF

     

    Uncompromising? Perhaps it's your own confusion
    3 Nov 2013, 09:46 AM Reply Like
  • jpau,
    I am not a Dem or a Rep (Libertarian). It would be nice to see a companion article about George Soros and how he plays around in politics.
    3 Nov 2013, 12:36 PM Reply Like
  • Stilldazed, no problem with that. Money is money, regardless of source or political destination. IMO it's corrupting our system, regardless of who gives it, or who receives it.
    3 Nov 2013, 12:53 PM Reply Like
  • Jpau, Agree money is corrupting our political system. My solution is if you can not vote for someone with a ballot you should not be able to vote for them with your money. NY folks influence TX votes with their money and vice versa. It should not be. Soros would only be able to give money to the people he gets to vote for. The senators loyality would suddenly be for their states again not their biggest donor.
    3 Nov 2013, 01:35 PM Reply Like
  • Koch brothers are libertarians. They are not very fond of the Republicans either.

     

    Koch was the 1980 vice presidential nominee of the Libertarian Party who campaigned on things like drug legalization and a non-interventionist foreign policy.

     

    http://bit.ly/HET4mo
    4 Nov 2013, 07:47 AM Reply Like
  • http://bit.ly/19h6sJF

     

    Uncompromising? Perhaps it's your own confusion.

     

    Jpau

     

    Koch brothers are libertarians. They are not very fond of the Republicans either.

     

    Koch was the 1980 vice presidential nominee of the Libertarian Party who campaigned on things like drug legalization and a non-interventionist foreign policy.

     

    http://bit.ly/HET4mo

     

    I'm certainly not confused. Prosperity for Americans is just that, not prosperity for the parties.
    4 Nov 2013, 10:16 AM Reply Like
  • "Uncompromising? "

     

    Isn't that saying "I will not negotiate".
    4 Nov 2013, 02:23 PM Reply Like
  • Still dazed you will have to call Lois Lerner to get that info on George Soros for the article.
    4 Nov 2013, 07:40 AM Reply Like
  • More tyranny from the IRS.

     

    http://bit.ly/171Ev2Z
    4 Nov 2013, 10:39 AM Reply Like
  • Now we can fully understand the constant blaming everything on as "Bushes Fault". BO is too thinned skinned to deal with criticism so it must be someones fault.

     

    "Every single failure, save one, in the article (we'll come back to that one in a minute) was due to the Administration's fear of Republican criticism. So results were hidden, bad decisions were made, and key steps were delayed until after the last election. All because the Obama Administration appears to incredibly thin-skinned about criticism."

     

    http://bit.ly/Hyd6zl

     

    Wash Post article

     

    http://wapo.st/HydduG
    6 Nov 2013, 05:46 PM Reply Like
  • Thanks, DG. I'm wondering now how long it will be before one sees anything in the media noting that McAuliffe's vote count for the Governor's seat in Va. was a plurality, not a majority. And, that any reasonable interpretation of the Va. vote indicates a majority (~52%) opposed "Obamacare".
    7 Nov 2013, 08:28 AM Reply Like
  • D-INV did you know that the democrats bought that race by purchasing a third party candidate to pull votes from the Rep candidate. A fake libertarian that actually was so far from being a libertarian it became blatantly obvious to all but the most idiot of voters but the damage was done, election bought, and the parties game the people again. One has to wonder when this all blows up.

     

    http://bit.ly/1iPsDXd
    7 Nov 2013, 11:49 AM Reply Like
  • Are we being led towards civil war. The last point of this article I think is very important to avoid. As I have said before changing tyrants is not the solution. We need to restore the constitution and WE ALL NEED TO PAY ATTENTION!!! Avoid the R/D gaming and look for "We the People' solutions.

     

    "If lured into a left/right civil war, would most conservatives be able to see beyond the veil and recognize that the fight is not about Obama, or the Left, or tyrannical government alone? Could we be co-opted by devious influences disguised as friends and compatriots? Will we end up following neocon salesmen and military elites who materialize out of the woodwork at the last minute to "lead us to victory" while actually leading us towards globalization with a slightly different face?"

     

    http://bit.ly/194Ym18
    8 Nov 2013, 08:35 AM Reply Like
  • Vigorous effort at corrective action through the ballot box and electoral process is the prudent course.
    8 Nov 2013, 10:35 AM Reply Like
  • Fully agree, ballots not bullets. Bullets are what the snake oil salesmen are passing out. However we may not get a vote on this issue so be prepared for the worse and hope for the best or maybe we get some of the worse then it gets better.

     

    Just be sure to prepare for plan B because I am not so sure we can stop the idiots from starting something for some period of time.
    8 Nov 2013, 06:23 PM Reply Like
  • http://bit.ly/1gxr03H
    I am truly flummoxed to add anything to this.
    9 Nov 2013, 02:57 AM Reply Like
  • More failures in journalism

     

    http://bit.ly/17WHXjB
    10 Nov 2013, 10:16 AM Reply Like
  • "...a Koch-funded right-wing lobbying organization..."

     

    Yep its a failure in journalism. The Koch's are not right wing they are libertarians. I guess some of those reporters are so far left every one is a right winger....

     

    http://bit.ly/HET4mo
    13 Nov 2013, 04:01 PM Reply Like
  • "I guess some of those reporters are so far left every one is a right winger...."

     

    May be anyone that supports the Constitution?
    13 Nov 2013, 04:24 PM Reply Like
  • His political leanings are irrelevant. Business is business. Journalism has been dying a long slow death for some time. Now all we have is partisan hacks to the left and right. The truth is out there! The truth has no agenda it's merely the truth!
    13 Nov 2013, 12:54 PM Reply Like
  • Here is a real jaw dropper for everyone.

     

    Hillary also said if you like your plan you can keep it and if you like your doctor you can keep him.

     

    I think this must have been a party rehearsed line for both candidates to use. So the lie goes back further than we think. Must have been a democrat party strategic line to get this through congress and past the sheeple. AMAZINGLY IT WORKED!!!!

     

    http://bit.ly/HQGG3h
    15 Nov 2013, 02:00 PM Reply Like
  • In Obama's case, though, he revved "the falsehood machine in matching "if you like your plan you can keep it" with "$2,500 per year lower premiums for a family" and "I will not raise taxes on anyone making less than $250,000 per year", all three of which are violated by "Obamacare". Unfunded mandates to purchase anything are taxes in-kind. Health insurance premiums are higher for mandated minimum coverages, not lower.
    15 Nov 2013, 02:34 PM Reply Like
  • Turns out the Sept 2012 jobs report that had unemployment dropping from 8.1% to 7.8% was faked....one can only assume to help BO win an election....unless someone has a different LOGICAL reason.

     

    I am sure many supporters will be running around screaming about just how shocked they are. "Shocked I tell you, just shocked!!!"

     

    Any one think that elections can not be stolen? Time for smaller Fed govt and more states rights or count on both parties continuing this type of crap.

     

    http://bit.ly/17IJWK7
    19 Nov 2013, 10:51 AM Reply Like
  • This will fix the BLS manipulation problem. The Govt will investigate.

     

    http://bit.ly/1aDQgjQ
    19 Nov 2013, 10:57 AM Reply Like
  • DG ... doesn't change your basic point (govt will investigate itself), but Durden missed the boat on who is investigating whom. Bureau of the Census is an element of the Commerce Department's Economics and Statistics Administration. So the whistleblower, a Commerce Department employee, communicated with the IG of contracting agency (Labor) who referred the issue back to the IG of the agency where the alleged misdeeds occurred.
    19 Nov 2013, 11:33 AM Reply Like
  • Jaw dropping article about the Bobby Baker times in the Senate
    Politico Magazine-

     

    http://politi.co/1aykR3k

     

    Not for the weak at heart!
    21 Nov 2013, 01:38 PM Reply Like
  • What is it with California cops and beating unarmed folks, or shooting them. Remember when they were shooting folks who happened to be driving pickups, not the same make or model or color just pickups. This was during the search for LAPD officer Christopher Dorner. Does this cops attitude come from the lefty looney govt there. NYC is just the same. They shot 9 innocent folks in a 5 minute spray from cops.

     

    http://bit.ly/1g3QKop
    3 Dec 2013, 03:30 PM Reply Like
  • http://onforb.es/1dDrelp

     

    "Government Takeover: White House Forces Obamacare Insurers To Cover Unpaid Patients At A Loss"
    15 Dec 2013, 11:32 AM Reply Like
  • The government currently pays the bills of the UNinsured at the full list prices the hospitals can gouge out of uncle. The uninsured are the only ones that pay full, unreduced price. Now the hospitals will be required to clean up their acts. Hospitals were among the biggest objectors to the ACA. They either soaked Uncle for providing coverage to the indigent or bankrupted those that could not afford coverage.

     

    Don't worry about the insurance companies and what they're required as regards those unable to afford coverage. Their profits will increase in the aggregate of 25% as a result of the ACA. That's why it's referred to the Full Employment Act for Insurers.
    15 Dec 2013, 12:27 PM Reply Like
  • Hiya WT,

     

    "That's why it's referred to the Full Employment Act for Insurers. "

     

    Can we change that to "Full Legal Employment Act"?
    I personally think FLEA is a more appropriate acronym for irritating blood suckers ( I don't have the brain power today to figure out how to call it TICK). ;-)
    15 Dec 2013, 02:14 PM Reply Like
  • " The government currently pays the bills of the UNinsured at the full list prices the hospitals can gouge out of uncle."

     

    Government certainly pays a share of medical care bills for the "UNinsured", but most of that burden is borne at State and local government level is it not? My impression is that the most expensive hospitals are seldom located in low income areas and where expensive hospitals are located in low income areas such hospitals are pretty specialized with limited "general practice" clienteles.

     

    If one wanted to "reform" health care insurance markets, the most efficient approach would be leveling of the playing field by removing government incentives and "ring fences" giving medical insurers competitive advantages over self insurance.
    15 Dec 2013, 03:49 PM Reply Like
  • >D-inv

     

    "Government certainly pays a share of medical care bills for the "UNinsured", but most of that burden is borne at State and local government level is it not?"

     

    I don't know about your situation but my taxes go for federal, state and local governments. What difference does it make as to which government it is-

     

    We pay it all if it's paid by the government!

     

    "If one wanted to "reform" health care insurance markets, the most efficient approach would be leveling of the playing field by removing government incentives and "ring fences" giving medical insurers competitive advantages over self insurance."

     

    Agree 100%

     

    That's what happens when the requirement that everyone have insurance is realized. No more advantages for "special arrangements."
    15 Dec 2013, 06:53 PM Reply Like
  • "What difference does it make as to which government it is- "

     

    A great deal of difference. Federal tax dollars are collected from taxpayers in all States. National distribution of Indigent medical care costs differs from that of federal tax collections. Public attitudes toward charity differ between regions with charitable donations financing much more of indigent medical care costs in some locations than in others. There is a world of difference between voluntary contribution to medical care of others and forced contributions to medical treatment, particularly forced contributions to treatment of conditions that consequence of personal behavior. County tax revenues are collected from people living in counties and sometimes from those working/doing business in the counties. Dealing with indigent care expenses at a county/local government level, local taxpayers are paying for care of local residents. State tax revenues and expenditures are analogous with more diversified county tax revenues and expenditures.

     

    "requirement that everyone have insurance" underwritten by insurance companies is an unfunded mandate which is an off budget in-kind tax that subsidizes insurance underwriters.

     

    "Special arrangements" distorting market competition that I had in mind include deductibility of medical insurance premium costs (in some instances) and federal requirement to purchase medical insurance to qualify for deductible health savings account. They also include a host of anti-competitive market protections for hospitals and other health service institutions/organizat... (some State and some federal).
    15 Dec 2013, 08:41 PM Reply Like
  • So bridgegate gets 44 times more coverage than the IRS scandal. http://bit.ly/1dU9bG8 That is one important traffic jam! It's not really surprising because the political hack and Obummer donor I mean US attorney selected by another political hack and ally of Obummer I mean US AG Eric, Holder http://nws.mx/1dU9bGa Did such a thorough investigation that they didn't speak with any victims or their attorneys. http://bit.ly/1dU9eBA It must be a new protocol to ignore the victims of the crime during the investigation. Fear not though we now know that Lerener only took the fifth because she developed an acute case of laryngitis right after she denied any wrong doing. We will get to the bottom of that bridge thing in NJ though. That is extremely important and can't wait for the chain of evidence to get cold. This is a real scandal as oposed to those phony ones like Fast and Furious, Benghazi and the IRS targetting of Obummers political oposition. The Senate report isn't news I guess. http://bit.ly/1dU9dOe
    16 Jan, 01:05 PM Reply Like
  • And now for something completely different from a yahoo comment!

     

    I do not like this Uncle Sam, ;-))))
    I do not like Obama’s scam.
    I do not like Obama’s crooks,
    Or, how he lies and cooks the books.
    I do not like how Dems cheat & steal,
    I do not like “Progressive” “deals”.
    I do not like ex-speaker Nan,
    I do not like this "YES, WE CAN."
    I do not like Obama’s spending spree,
    I'm smart, I know that nothing's free.
    I do not like Obama’s smug replies,
    When we complain about his lies.
    I do not like this kind of “hope”.
    I do not like it!

     

    Nope, nope, nope!
    6 Feb, 05:45 PM Reply Like
  • Just hosted an author Trevor Loudon Wednesday night at the Warren County Tea Party to talk to our liberty minded people. He knocked it out of the park. Here is part of what he talked about from his event in SC at his website trevorloudon.com

     

    “If I were Ted Cruz, I’d go out there now and starting picking my team,” Loudon said. “I’d go to Allen West and say ‘I want to make you my VP.’ For the libertarians, I’d go to Rand Paul and let you do what you do. For Secretary of Energy, Gov. Sarah Palin. Drill, baby, drill!”

     

    Rep. Jim Bridenstine (R-OK) should be the Secretary of Defense, Dr. Ben Carson the Secretary of Health and Human Services, radio’s Mark Levin the Attorney General, and David Barton of Wallbuilders the Secretary of Education, Loudon argued. “Ambassador to the United Nations, no one,” he added, prompting one of many standing ovations the hundreds of Tea Party activists in the room gave him.

     

    “Would you guys get motivated by a team like that?” Loudon asked the audience.

     

    “Yes!” they shouted in response, many of the hundreds in attendance on their feet.

     

    Loudon said Tea Party activists need to do everything they can going into 2016 as this might be the last chance to save America.

     

    “I’m asking for two more years because the very least you’ll be able to do is look your children in the eyes and say ‘I gave it everything I got,’” Loudon said.
    6 Feb, 11:10 PM Reply Like
  • There is a better chance, IMO, that every American will pass a planet the size of Jupiter through their colons than there is of Ted Cruz saving any country, much less the U.S.

     

    I shudder at the thought of an America with such a self-obsessed, disingenuous clown at the helm; more so if there were an ignoramus like Palin in any position of responsibility.
    7 Feb, 06:40 PM Reply Like
  • Well we are getting a little further along with the IRS investigation and maybe, just maybe if everyone keeps their fingers crossed Mrs Lerner might get some jail time. One can only hope. She needs to be made an example of so this crap does not happen for another 40 years. Maybe by then we will be rid of the IRS and Nixon/Obama types can not use the IRS against political enemy's ever again.

     

    http://bit.ly/R1a389
    8 Apr, 02:53 PM Reply Like
  • Best video for 2014

     

    http://on.fb.me/R1jIvo
    8 Apr, 04:33 PM Reply Like
  • http://bit.ly/Q0MVWc

     

    Put down the plow and pick up the rifle. Time to do our part.

     

    Remember this is an election year and the primaries are where we beat the statists, kick them out and put in true patriots, statesmen with a love of our country willing to do what is best for our country not their career. Plan on voting in the primaries and get the skinny on those running in your primary. Toss out the statists, Marxist, communists and politicians that do nothing but roll over. Send folks that will fight for you, restore your country, the constitution and bring back some sanity to govt.

     

    Remember all it takes for evil to prosper is for good men to do nothing. John Boehner and Mitch McConnell are men who do nothing.
    Do not be like the video below just doing nothing to the politicians doing nothing.

     

    http://bit.ly/Q0MXxg

     

    I hope all these links worked or this will look stupid. Fingers crossed.
    8 Apr, 04:59 PM Reply Like
  • "Put down the plow and pick up the rifle. Time to do our part. "

     

    Write some checks supporting good candidates and lean a shoulder into getting them elected.
    8 Apr, 06:08 PM Reply Like
  • Yep. Don't want to be standing on the escalator looking up at the politicians standing on the escalator.
    8 Apr, 09:01 PM Reply Like
  • There is hope, and there is change.

     

    http://bit.ly/1g93HJi
    9 Apr, 08:30 PM Reply Like
  • More evidence of communism/socialism in the white house. Photo evidence.

     

    Press secretary and photos on the wall. Not an accident!!!!

     

    http://bit.ly/1eExWax

     

    Edit: who are they feeding with those piles of food everywhere. There is even more in the source document.

     

    What is the message: Communists must have lots of food?
    14 Apr, 09:48 AM Reply Like
  • Crossing the red line can be serious business.

     

    In the aftermath of the 21 August attack Obama ordered the Pentagon to draw up targets for bombing. Early in the process, the former intelligence official said, ‘the White House rejected 35 target sets provided by the joint chiefs of staff as being insufficiently “painful” to the Assad regime.’ The original targets included only military sites and nothing by way of civilian infrastructure.

     

    Under White House pressure, the US attack plan evolved into ‘a monster strike’: two wings of B-52 bombers were shifted to airbases close to Syria, and navy submarines and ships equipped with Tomahawk missiles were deployed. ‘Every day the target list was getting longer,’ the former intelligence official told me. ‘The Pentagon planners said we can’t use only Tomahawks to strike at Syria’s missile sites because their warheads are buried too far below ground, so the two B-52 air wings with two-thousand pound bombs were assigned to the mission.

     

    Then we’ll need standby search-and-rescue teams to recover downed pilots and drones for target selection. It became huge.’ The new target list was meant to ‘completely eradicate any military capabilities Assad had’, the former intelligence official said. The core targets included electric power grids, oil and gas depots, all known logistic and weapons depots, all known command and control facilities, and all known military and intelligence buildings.

     

    http://bit.ly/1t0SdjQ
    14 Apr, 12:45 PM Reply Like
  • Yep its the money behind both the R and D's that are screwing us and politicians from both sides encourage and allow it.

     

    http://bit.ly/1eQwjfL

     

    The latest arrest which I am surprised that this happened during BO's reign and control. There must be a falling out of some kind going on.
    http://bit.ly/1eQwh7x
    18 Apr, 09:57 AM Reply Like
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