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  • The Hindenburg Omen (Extended) 61 comments
    Nov 3, 2009 11:55 PM

    This post is to provide a place for the extension of a very long comment stream at the original article (here).  It was becoming awkward to navigate the long web page because of the number of comments.

    The text of the original Instablog is copied below: 

    I have found this an intriguing metric over the years.  Michael Eckert has an article this weekend summarizing The Hindenburg Omen here, at EWTrends and Charts.com.  In June 2004, Robert McHugh wrote a more extensive article at The Market Oracle (here).

    This market signal has preceeded all 11 declines of 10% or more since 1986.  It has also preceded 15 declines of less than 10%.  It has never occurred without a market decline occurring within four months.  There are times when the market has advanced significantly for a short time before falling.  The time preceding the 1987 crash was one example.

    Michael Eckert maintains a large library of public charts at StockCharts.com (here), including the Hindenburg Omen charts on page 3.

    Hat tip to Phil's Stock World (here).  

     
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  • Albertarocks
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    Thanks again for setting this up John.

     

    I wouldn't be surprised if the tiny summary I made today about the HO got kind of lost in today's active discussion on the original insta. So I'll summarize it here where it's more visible. At the end of trading today, Tuesday, Nov. 3:

     

    As far as the HO is concerned, it's still valid. The move up in the $NYA today, as small as it was, allowed the 10 week SMA of same, to rise. In no respect is the HO near flashing a signal though, although it could do so in the days to come. I still have that hunch we'll get a bounce possibly into Friday but the market is waiting for language out of the G-20, so who knows?
    4 Nov 2009, 12:06 AM Reply Like
  • one eye
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    As far as you are concerned, there are rules even in an Insta.

     

    Abuse of Women, Abuse of Religion abuse of Race. These are on the Hit list, even Michael Fitzsimmons learned this.

     

    The rest of you so called "Renegades" appear to be Fly By Night Friends.
    Two of your own are attacked yet you twiddle.

     

    What did you miss when this misbegotten persona Used the word "Twit" and later admiited that he meant "Twat". He was happy to see both OG and Freya leave, so he could Swear to his hearts content.

     

    The Hindenberg Omen?, In the Very beginning, ARock said you could get creamed between signal and confirm. What use is that?

     

    "Two of his EW friends whom he Trusts" 2 unnamed persons among hundreds, Hey, he talks a good game, he must know what he's doing.

     

    Talk is Cheap, how about some Investment Ideas? How many has he furnished? Any?

     

    But Hey, You know everything there is to know. I've been urging her to leave, I mean permanently.

     

    "Renegades Stick Together?

     

    Please, please stay Albert. Freya? Never heard of her.
    4 Nov 2009, 05:28 AM Reply Like
  • H. T. Love
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    On Nov 04 05:28 AM one eye wrote:

     

    > As far as you are concerned, there are rules even in an Insta. <br/>
    >
    > Abuse of Women, Abuse of Religion abuse of Race. These are on the
    > Hit list, even Michael Fitzsimmons learned this.

     

    Considering the diversity of folks at SA, if occasionally a person new to the environment makes a misstep that offends, it should not surprise. We all potentially have "baggage" from our background that may be waiting to bite us. Especially in a PC world where everything is potentially offensive to someone, depending on POV.

     

    Note I'm not saying that excuses anything, just that good folks are not perfect and may need an opportunity to learn the sensibilities of the environment that is new to them.

     

    It may be part of the learning curve for some that is not needed for others.

     

    If "even Michael Fitzsimmons learned this", as obviously biased in outlook and agenda as he was, shouldn't we give some leeway to another, that seems to not have such heavy baggage as MF, to learn the ropes? *If* it seems they are so inclined.

     

    It seems a lot of time and energy was expended on "educating" MF. I would not have expended one iota on that effort. He exhibited no traits that made me feel it was worth the effort. In fact, just the opposite. And once that became clear through the efforts of Freya and yourself, I stopped following him. I had already stopped interacting with him shortly before the clarity of who/what he was became apparent through the efforts of Freya and yourself.

     

    My impressions re AlbertaRocks is that he is not such case.

     

    Further, there are posts by others that could have easily been interpreted as just as offensive, if not more so, depending on who's judging. That's based on what I've seen and I may have missed something.

     

    >
    > The rest of you so called "Renegades" appear to be Fly By Night Friends.

     

    I'm having difficulty understanding this. Of course, I've probably not seen everything that has occurred.

     

    >
    > Two of your own are attacked yet you twiddle.

     

    This is part of my difficulty. I don't recall an "attack". I recall what I *thought* was a misinterpretation of intended meaning in a couple of posts. Again, I may have not seen everything. I also recall some "inappropriate language". Certainly not the first case in this forum.

     

    That then seemed to morph into a "I don't have to take this abuse" situation. Unfortunate. It could have gone another way.

     

    As to twiddle, please consider an alternate POV, assuming that the group allows, even espouses, such diversity. I'll assume this to be the case.

     

    What I thought I saw was a couple of folks ending up feeling unfairly treated by the other. Not uncommon in any given "social" setting. Even more likely when the communication media is KVM (Keyboard/Video/Mouse) and body language is unavailable and subtleties of normal interaction are lost.

     

    What I expected from two mature parties was a possible follow-up dialog wherein things were clarified, apologies may have been exchanged and other such conciliatory exchanges were made as each realized that a better outcome was possible and each realized that they may have had some responsibility (intentional or not) for the situation.

     

    It didn't happen.

     

    Now you criticize for us not jumping to the defense of Freya. I saw no situation requiring "defense" or "support". I saw two intransigent individuals that didn't make an effort to resolve an (unintentional?) situation.

     

    You've seen in the past, during interactions with, e.g., SA and MF where some of us have supported her as we could by finding links, quotes, offering supporting opinion and such. Those cases, in my view, deserved support.

     

    This "personality conflict" comes nowhere near such a case, IMO. It is a "personal problem" in that I saw no real effort by either party to reach amicable resolution.

     

    I don't let other folks' problems become mine (NB: that does *not* mean I won't take up the burden of support when justified). I don't stop interacting with one because another has a "personal problem" with that one. I don't judge one to be "less" because another doesn't like that one. Hell (oops!) I don't even think less of one just because they don't handle the situation in a way *I* thought appropriate, or even worse, totally mishandled it.

     

    I'll remind that none are perfect, as demonstrated by the very first exchange between Freya and myself (links can be provided if memory fails).

     

    I felt unfairly treated. Seeing no reason for it, and knowing we're all human, I posted a response that detailed my thoughts. It could have been easily seen as a little harsh.

     

    Freya responded in a most positive fashion, I did the same and thus began a relationship that I hope *both* see as worthwhile on whatever level one chooses to judge.

     

    It was what I thought might happen in this case.

     

    >
    > What did you miss when this misbegotten persona Used the word "Twit"

     

    "misbegotten persona"? Shades of MF pejorative characterizations creeping in here. I seem to recall criticism for such being posted by you and Freya.

     

    > and later admiited that he meant "Twat". He was happy to see both
    > OG and Freya leave, so he could Swear to his hearts content.

     

    That is, as far as I can tell from what *I've* read, an unfounded assumption on your part. "Got links"? ;-))

     

    >
    > The Hindenberg Omen?, In the Very beginning, ARock said you could
    > get creamed between signal and confirm. What use is that?

     

    What difference does that make? As you know, I'm new and so are many other potential participants. We have different things to contribute, some more useful than others. Saying "you could get creamed between signal and confirm" strikes me as no different than my saying something like "if the pattern holds" or "barring a catalyst". Really experienced folks might avoid such expressions of uncertainty, but I have no problem expressing such. And I'm sure such expression is totally useless.

     

    Since such conditions of uncertainty are a given in (almost?) all cases, the latter two statements are just as redundant as the former by AR. No one jumped me for trying to remind in my posts that certain risks existed or assumptions were made or that charts are indicators only.

     

    Do we have a case of "after-the-fact selective criticism" here?

     

    >
    > "Two of his EW friends whom he Trusts" 2 unnamed persons among hundreds,
    > Hey, he talks a good game, he must know what he's doing.

     

    You're getting very petty here.

     

    >
    > Talk is Cheap, how about some Investment Ideas? How many has he furnished?

     

    How many have I furnished? Does it matter? Is the *sole* purpose here to name stocks? Don't general ideas, thoughts, warnings of potential risks or opportunities count for anything? Didn't Freya recently post that awareness of things outside of direct trades must b e considered (e.g. political clime, world disruptions, etc.)?

     

    > Any?
    >
    > But Hey, You know everything there is to know. I've been urging her
    > to leave, I mean permanently.

     

    Sorry to hear that. Based on what you've posted here, I fail to see a good reason for that urging. If that's why we've seen less of you, I'm truly sorry that's the case.

     

    >
    > "Renegades Stick Together?
    >
    > Please, please stay Albert. Freya? Never heard of her.

     

    I was going to use a more pejorative phrase, but I'll just say ... Where did that come from?

     

    One Eye. I value the members of this group for much more than the potential financial benefit I may derive. The relatively free exchange of ideas, humor, exposure of personalities, forging of "friendships" - all have value to me.

     

    The disagreement between two does not diminish the value in either, in and of itself. The *tolerance* for divergences is one of the things I value. I hope I have not misjudged that attribute.

     

    In all good humor, my humble opinion.

     

    HardToLove
    4 Nov 2009, 07:21 AM Reply Like
  • doubleguns
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    First welcome back one eye.

     

    I must express my support for HTL's point of view. Frankly I did not pick up on the level of hostility between Freya and AR until it actually blew up. I saw what I had thought had been addressed disagreements but I never thought that this was becoming an issue with either party to such an explosive level.

     

    I've have people in my face yelling at me so my skin is a bit tougher and I tend to brush off a lot of comments any way. I have even performed this service on many occasions too. I have both received and delivered. It means nothing to me, just a fact of my military life.

     

    If Freya and OG felt directly attacked a more direct statement would have helped clarify that for me. Either I did not see something or I missed something that went over my head. I have 40 some people that I follow and I can't review all of the comments, read all of the articles, work, live and sleep in a 24 hour period. It's just not possible. Many comments I go through very quickly and do not dwell on or look for deeper meanings with in the comments.

     

    One of the comments I did see was about not answering a comment. I know that for me that is not always possible because I myself cant see every thing posted and when things get lengthy scrolling down, I am sure things get missed. Maybe I don't know some simpler process or shortcuts, I don't know. I stated that if you do not get an answer to a question ASK AGAIN. Courtesy goes both ways, maybe it was not seen and taking that as an insult seemed a little overboard.

     

    The other snide remarks that Freya commented about mostly did not make it on my radar. I am sorry if I am not sensitive enough to catch those things, I believe I clarified why above.

     

    Freya we would support you if we knew that you were being attacked with vile intent. I hope you believe that. I never saw anything that seemed to be an attack.

     

    As I stated before I hoped that we could get over that and get on with a fresh start.

     

    You have made your point, everyone deserves to be allowed another chance.

     

    However one think I have learned in life, there are people we all will claim that just rub us the wrong way, I cant explain it, it is just a fact of life. Cant be changed but it does not mean either of them are bad. Its just a matter of chemistry.

     

    This may be one of those situations. If so we mean no disrespect to either AR or Freya when we are chatting with the other. I am not having a chemistry issue and do not see either person as a problem.

     

    Final note... I think it is time we moved beyond this. Either its a fresh start or agree to disagree.
    4 Nov 2009, 08:08 AM Reply Like
  • tripleblack
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    Unfortunately, SA does not have a PM (private message) system. This sort of thing would greatly aid in working out the wrinkles between individuals.

     

    As a Libertarian, I am obviously very much in favor of equal treatment under the law. As usual, this is not ALL that I believe, but it forms my foundation.

     

    I am also a very old-fashioned male, who still opens doors for ladies, and is very protective of my wife and daughter...

     

    I have not followed this affair very closely, but I would call upon the primaries to seek to make peace, for their own peace of mind.

     

    I too am new here, and its altogether likely that I will take a mis-step one day and inadvertently hurt another member. In that event I would hope for an observer to help me recognize my transgression, so that I could make amends.

     

    Rocks, when I read Freya's assertion that things like the HO COULD be used by smart players to lay traps, I found this observation logical. If you think about it, ANY such statistical oddity, if followed by a large number of investors, becomes a predictable element - a source of momentum if not a pinpoint in time - that can be played by a contrarian strategist who positions themselves to take advantage of the stampede. She was talking tough strategy, though, NOT smack directed at you personally.

     

    I think in such strategic terms as well, and I have lost friends in the past with investment warnings based upon my own focus on politics - and there would seem to be an inverse relationship between how prophetic my warnings are, and the number of friends I lose.
    4 Nov 2009, 08:22 AM Reply Like
  • doubleguns
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    Triple said: "She was talking tough strategy, though, NOT smack directed at you personally."

     

    I agree 100%. She followed that up with a comment that this HO was new and unknown at this point. I thought that indicated that this was not a concern at this point. Or something to that effect. I am going by memory so I could be all wrong. Correct me if I am.
    4 Nov 2009, 08:41 AM Reply Like
  • Freya
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    I do not need links, when neither of us had posted for a while he made the Following comment, on which I reported Abuse. His comment is gone but a reader posted this immediately afterwards: (its still in the first Hindenberg)

     

    "Ahhhmmm.....maybe no ladies!

     

    On Nov 03 12:13 PM Albertarocks wrote:

     

    > Since there's no women in this room I can tell you guys this. Gotta
    > just love BNN. Yesterday one of the anchors actually said: "It's
    > your fucking job".
    >
    > He was quoting from a book about Bear Stearns I thing, but still
    > it's refreshing that BNN is a real honest network. I fuckin' love
    > it. Nov 03 01:16 PM |Report abuse".

     

    His response"? "Oops"

     

    Lets go back a little further, Quick Chat 10, He wrote the following:

     

    "For any of you who saw the theory about the category of people known as "know it all freakin' dolts", here's one in action. It's American "pay czar" Scott Feinberg appearing on BNN spinning some unbelievable bullshet. I assure you, this is something American television would never show Americans. He gets challenged by CDN interviewer/host Pat Bolland and slobbers all over himself as he tries to get away with justifying bankers' wages. This twit looks like he's about 35 years old and just graduated from grade 12. Did I say "twit"? I misspelled that word."

     

    I gave him a chance to apologize, I gave him an out....

     

    His response: " On Oct 28 03:53 PM Freya wrote:

     

    > Let it slide, here is a definition from Wordweb you can use:
    >
    > Twat: A man who is a stupid incompetent fool VS
    > Twit: Someone who is regarded as contemptible.
    >
    > :-)<

     

    Why did I bother to be so polite and not say a crude word then? Both words apply equally after all. Shit... If I'd only known!"

     

    He knew what he was saying the 1st time around, He meant it the first time. Politeness? Hell, it would have been polite not to have used it at all.

     

    Do you want me to go further back? OG had a few of her own but she's a kinder soul than I am, she just Ignores him now.

     

    He's not New.
    4 Nov 2009, 08:52 AM Reply Like
  • Freya
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    How about just a plain old Demeaning remark, no need for it.

     

    "Twenty Reasons Why the Economy Stinks [View instapost] The economy is so bad that a tax has been proposed on all vehicles with more than 3 tires. They rationale being that if rubber were being properly allocated, there would be less rubber on the road and more rubbers being used in the bedrooms of America, thereby stemming the exorbitant costs to the health care system cause by all those unwanted pregnancies. That makes exactly the same amount of sense as Al Gore's book... therefore it will be passed into law."

     

    Tell me people, what purpose does this serve?

     

    "They rationale being that if rubber were being properly allocated, there would be less rubber on the road and more rubbers being used in the bedrooms of America, thereby stemming the exorbitant costs to the health care system cause by all those unwanted pregnancies"

     

    HTL: what One Eye wrote about the "Misbegotten Persona", was a direct comment on this msg. Show your wives this garbage, I dare you.
    4 Nov 2009, 10:33 AM Reply Like
  • Swashbuckler
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    HTL---I feel a little better regarding your thoughts on "specific" investment ideas. Since I have contributed a grand total of ZERO to the discussions. I enjoy posts by Freya and Alberta and wish this thing could be quickly resolved, but as I've mentioned earlier, IMO, the chance of that is approximately equivalent to that of a twenty-five sigma event, and getting progressively worse.
    4 Nov 2009, 10:35 AM Reply Like
  • H. T. Love
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    On Nov 04 10:33 AM Freya wrote:

     

    > How about just a plain old Demeaning remark, no need for it.
    >
    > "Twenty Reasons Why the Economy Stinks [View instapost] The economy
    > is so bad that a tax has been proposed on all vehicles with more
    > than 3 tires. They rationale being that if rubber were being properly
    > allocated, there would be less rubber on the road and more rubbers
    > being used in the bedrooms of America, thereby stemming the exorbitant
    > costs to the health care system cause by all those unwanted pregnancies.
    > That makes exactly the same amount of sense as Al Gore's book...
    > therefore it will be passed into law."
    >
    > Tell me people, what purpose does this serve?

     

    Humor? I believe I've seen worse and better within our group.

     

    But please, I am not arguing or trying to convince. If you post directly to me I will try and reply, as it is what I believe is "proper".

     

    > <snip>
    > HTL: what One Eye wrote about the "Misbegotten Persona", was a direct
    > comment on this msg. Show your wives this garbage, I dare you.

     

    I do not challenge your values. I do not endorse or condone "crudity". I also do not, habitually, take offense at it. I occasionally participate in it. But that's me. I can have no rational argument against you taking offense.

     

    These sorts of issues are normally (i.e. "in the real world") worked out in various "social negotiations".

     

    I choose to let folks work that out among themselves. I have enough problems keeping my own foot out of my mouth without worrying about where others may place theirs.

     

    I *will* say that I believe it is "common courtesy" for all of us to be aware of such sensitivities and adjust our behavior as one deems appropriate. And if I am convinced that truly *egregious* behavior, far out of the ordinary for the situation(s), occurs I will certainly have no compunction about addressing it on one side or the other.

     

    In the context of other comments by other "Renegade" participants I have seen, that were not apparently objectionable at the time, I have difficulty seeing the cited example as being exceptional.

     

    Again, I have no interest in convincing you that you're wrong. I am only expressing my thoughts in direct response to your post.

     

    As to showing anything to my wife, I'm sure she's seen and heard worse in her lifetime. By that statement I do not mean to imply any lessening of the severity of offense taken.

     

    I hope you and I have taken this as far as it needs to go between us.

     

    HardToLove
    4 Nov 2009, 11:39 AM Reply Like
  • Albertarocks
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    Well this is what I was afraid of. Even by staying out of Ms. Freya's space and keeping myself tucked away in John's space for the most part, it follows me here.

     

    So this particular insta has more or less been destroyed as far as its intended purpose is concerned.

     

    I will only say this one time. Never once, not once, have I ever said anything that had anything other than the best of intentions. There was cerainly no such think included in any of my comments that had any sort of hidden "snideness"... that only a vivid imagination could conjure up. One time I said to Freya: "I have no clue where you're coming from with that." I meant it.

     

    One time Freya left a comment that ended with ????

     

    I thought she was saying: "Remember that one Albertarocks?" Where I come from, that's what ???? means. It means "do you remember?" It's rhetorical.

     

    I had requested a week ago that SA nuke my account and surrender my space in the commenters list, as I am simply not willing to participate in a poisonous atmosphere. At the suggestion of Eli, who urged that I not make that request because of the time, effort and contributions I've expended, I've agreed to let the account stand but to let the account of Albertarocks just slip into oblivion. In Eli's wisdom, he advised that should I in the future regret nuking the account, it is irreversible. He would like me to have the option of returning to that account at some point in the future, should I have reason, but agreed to nuke it at my request. That made enough sense to me.

     

    I've met more wonderful people here than I ever thought possible and I truly like 98% of you. That was a blessed and enjoyable benefit that I didn't see coming.

     

    Out of loyalty to those who still care about, or enjoy reading about the HO, I will continue to post anything important should it arise. As of this evening, there's nothing to report of importance on that front.
    4 Nov 2009, 04:51 PM Reply Like
  • Freya
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    One of your "Humorous" comments has already been deleted. How Humorous is that?

     

    Is this another attempt at Humor?:

     

    "And so would gold and everything else priced in American dollars. I'd be fuck'd with that one, but that's beside the point. I've heard rumblings about that idea of the dollar being devalued in one fall swoop like that, and I've heard rumors about a "bankers' holiday" and other weird stuff. Bond holders would be screwed too, no? So I don't see how they can do such a thing YH. I absolutely believe something very strange is in the works, but I don't know what it is. Another "event"? An "event" such as you propose?

     

    I'm also 100% convinced that the entire flu farce is being used as a massive distraction. I think the whores who own the FED's owners are actually scared of something."

     

    Are you even capable of making comments which exclude innuendos and words like: whores, Fuck, melon Breasted, etc. (twit/twat).

     

    "Poisonous atmosphere"?, You created it. It follows you with every comment you make like the one above, which is very recent.

     

    HTL: your attempts to make peace are doomed as long as Albert continues on his merry way using Vulgar language to express himself.

     

    Like I said before, Ask your Wives where the Humor is?

     

    Seeking Alpha is not For Men Only

     

    Coarse is one thing, Vulgar is totally inappropriate.
    4 Nov 2009, 06:12 PM Reply Like
  • lower98th
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    I am still a sheltered Southern Belle. Very Female. And I was and am not offended. I see some of us on SA living up to the complement "the black sheep of all the best families." Seeking Alpha is a gift. Albert - you do rock!
    4 Nov 2009, 06:59 PM Reply Like
  • lower98th
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    PS: My twentyish college student son told me I was "aging gracefully." Now THAT is offensive!!
    4 Nov 2009, 07:02 PM Reply Like
  • Dialectical Materialist
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    Defining coarse and vulgar are tough. I know I am generally put off by crude stuff, but I try to look past it if there is content worth getting to.

     

    I share your desire for a civil and constructive discourse. I am certainly not a member of the Renegades (not even knowing what that means) but I do know that I have enjoyed much and learned more from comments made by you, YH, OG, HTL, DG, and yes even Arocks. I hope you all come to terms because I really enjoy reading what you all have to say. I even disagree with much of the prevailing politics in the group, but I learn a lot about why you folks feel the way you do and it helps me understand more about what is going on in the world and even affects some of what I feel politically.

     

    I probably have no business commenting right here, but I wanted to say that I too would expect that all comments everywhere could be free from gratuitous sexual or crude commentary. There's just no need for it. On the other hand, when I see it, I might give it a thumbs down and move on.

     

    Ultimately content should be community policed and if you're not happy with something, respectful people will note that and try to check themselves.

     

    On Nov 04 06:12 PM Freya wrote:
    >
    > Coarse is one thing, Vulgar is totally inappropriate.
    4 Nov 2009, 10:27 PM Reply Like
  • Freya
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    lower98, you weren't but others apparently were. The comment has been deleted. It didn't belong on SA in the first place.

     

    All of his demeaning comments have "female" references. You won't find any that involve "Gays", for instance.

     

    YH is humourous, he makes a point of it. AR includes Vulgar comments into serious statements. To make them Humorous? Why, if they are supposed to be serious?

     

    Dialectical, your comment:

     

    "I probably have no business commenting right here, but I wanted to say that I too would expect that all comments everywhere could be free from gratuitous sexual or crude commentary. There's just no need for it. On the other hand, when I see it, I might give it a thumbs down and move on."

     

    Of Course, you should be commenting. You wind up reading it. So do thousands of other SA readers of varying sexes and ages. That's the Point, no one really knows who reads these comments.

     

    If I wanted to see them, I could just visit the Toilet of a local Bar.
    5 Nov 2009, 05:50 AM Reply Like
  • Freya
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    BTW, since my return, I only left one comment with ???. This is the Comment:

     

    "There are just too many of us to keep track of respnses, Hell, I've asked ??? and never seen a response. Its possible a response was made, but how far back and by whom?"

     

    AlbertaRocks said that I left this:

     

    "One time Freya left a comment that ended with ????

     

    I thought she was saying: "Remember that one Albertarocks?" Where I come from, that's what ???? means. It means "do you remember?" It's rhetorical."

     

    This is a lie, you can check my entire comment stream from before ARocks came onto the scene to present.

     

    I'm sorry for you.
    5 Nov 2009, 06:46 AM Reply Like
  • H. T. Love
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    On Nov 04 10:27 PM Dialectical Materialist wrote:

     

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    > say that I too would expect that all comments everywhere could be
    > free from gratuitous sexual or crude commentary. There's just no
    > need for it.

     

    I agree. And since I've become aware of some of the posts by AR - thanks Freya - that offend her , I hope that AR will do the right thing and consider the way in which such careless use of expletives and other phrases carrying denigrating references, regardless of gender, detract from the SA experience for many, detract from the themes and intent of what he may be posting and detract from the image he projects. It's possible those items reduce the ultimate value of his contributions, at least to many.

     

    Since I do not habitually speak or think using such terms, when I encounter them in postings they distract me from the purpose of the post. After a brief "hiccup" in the thought process, I continue on, but it was a distraction. I generally don't give much thought to them after that, so I may have seen some and just never remembered them.

     

    While these things may be unimportant to any individual, a "common courtesy" ethics should prevail that will allow him to express himself while easily avoiding most offending cases. This is not akin to "censorship", but is just being considerate of the social norms that exist in this environment.

     

    A concious effort to apply such considerations, after they have been brought to one's attention, says a lot about the nature of the person.

     

    > On the other hand, when I see it, I might give it a
    > thumbs down and move on.
    >
    > Ultimately content should be community policed and if you're not
    > happy with something, respectful people will note that and try to
    > check themselves.

     

    ++1 Within limits of course. One might encounter completely unreasonable situations. What Freya points out seems very reasonable to me.

     

    AlbertaRocks - if you read this, please give it consideration. We are both old enough to remember when language, topic and phrases used in mixed company was a properly restricted thing. SA is *really* mixed company, in more ways than one.

     

    Such self-restriction had value then and has value now, in my opinion.

     

    I will have nothing further to say on this, as my thoughts are fairly complete here and I really don't wish to become entangled in such discussions. It's not my purpose here at SA.

     

    HardToLove
    5 Nov 2009, 07:05 AM Reply Like
  • Albertarocks
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    With the recent action taking the market up for three straight days, the only component included in the make-up of the HO which was threatening to invalidate it, has also turned up. So the HO is alive and well. There's nothing stopping it from giving a signal if conditions warrant. In fact the number of "new 52 week highs" has moved precisely into the territory required. It wouldn't really matter much if the HO did indeed flash a signal tomorrow or Monday and I was not available to let you know about it (due to an unexpected journey that I suddenly find myself facing), since the rules dictate that in order for the HO to be considered valid, it has to trip on two separate days which do not have to be consecutive.

     

    I've already detailed the track record of the Hindenberg Omen and I have no personal opinion on it's validity. Validity is a matter of one's perception of its past record. As most of you know, I post this information out of interest only and at the invitation of John Lounsbury. I personally wouldn't act on the HO as I have a lot of other methods of coming to my own decisions which are much quicker to give me guidance. But it would be interesting simply to see what transpires at this time with the HO considering how rarely it occurs. Here are two different perspectives other than my own:
    www.safehaven.com/arti...

     

    seekingalpha.com/insta...

     

    As with all technical analysis, there are believers and non-believers. As you can see, some people believe the HO is just a lot of voodoo. On the other hand, I think open minded individuals would recognize that it's real track record is good enough that it at least warrants observation. Some people believe that the technical indicator known as "bullish percentage" is nothing but nonsense. Others see value in such an indicator, recognizing, for example, the importance of knowing that in spite of the past 3 solid days of gains, the number of stocks participating in that move upward has dropped from 85% to 65%. For me personally, that's important to know. Unbelievably, some people consider it to be irrelevant. It appears to me that such people would simply rather not hear anything that might not fit with their notion of where the stock market is going.

     

    As I'd mentioned in passing to some of you late last week, my son is temporarily immobile, with both legs having been operated on last week. Some ligaments from his right hamstring were removed and used to rebuild his left knee, so he's unable to walk for a few weeks. And as luck would have it, an emergency has arisen in his business operations in the oil patch. So I find myself answering his call for help and will be embarking on a rather important journey on his behalf which will require my driving from Alberta through the mountains to south central B.C., to northern B.C.,over to northern Alberta, then retracing that drive. I don't know how I'm going to survive 2800 miles in 4 days, but I did it in my younger days so I assume I can do it now. It's the night driving in the mountains in the winter that makes it rather daunting. Thankfully there's no snow yet. But as any of you know who live near or in the mountains, that can change overnight. If there's any consolation, I always enjoy the stunning beauty of British Columbia and western Alberta.

     

    So God willing, I'll be back Tuesday and if anything interesting has happened with the HO, I'll post it here for those who are still interested. If all interest has ceased, my posts have ceased. Take care!
    5 Nov 2009, 08:31 PM Reply Like
  • doubleguns
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    Rocks, Drive carefully . Watch out for the moose, meese or any plural you wish to use. I am still curious about the HO and will be waiting to see its next occurrence and the effect if any.
    5 Nov 2009, 10:44 PM Reply Like
  • Albertarocks
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    On Nov 05 10:44 PM doubleguns wrote:

     

    > Rocks, Drive carefully . Watch out for the moose, meese or any plural you wish to use. I am still curious about the HO and will be waiting to see its next occurrence and the effect if any.<

     

    Thanks guns. Yes sir, I'll drive carefully. My eyes play tricks on me during night driving so I'm a little edgy about it.

     

    Your interest alone is enough for me to keep updating here. I know Mark Bern likes what I write here, so for him as well, I'm happy to do it.
    5 Nov 2009, 10:54 PM Reply Like
  • doubleguns
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    Rocks, I feel bad for what has transpired between you and Freya. Hell I have not been a saint with my posts here myself. I am especially "vocal" in my disgust with our congress and the corruption in Washington. Probably should tone it down. I will work on that but ITS OUR COUNTRY THEY ARE DESTROYING.

     

    Freya please let me know if that has offended you. As I have said before, I have thick skin and will take my chewing out in stride. Sorry If I have been a participant in upsetting you. Oh Gee you too.

     

    Rocks, I have found that the yellowish night driving glasses help me figure out the shadows from the monsters. I hate night driving and it only gets worse if there is rain or snow.

     

    2 years ago I drove to PA and got in at 2:00 AM 6.5 hours driving after work and it snowed from the halfway point and getting worse the farther we went. I felt very disoriented with the night, snow and wipers going wide open. When I got out of the truck I fell down and could not walk. I had a very severe case of vertigo. It was a very miserable week. I can't believe I was actually driving. Maybe the snow just looked like it was going sideways. I suffered 2 more 1 week bouts of that over the next 3 months till I got it cleared up.
    5 Nov 2009, 11:16 PM Reply Like
  • Freya
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    ARocks: For what its worth, "I" like what you write, I just did not like the way you wrote it.

     

    As for the HO, its a tool. I doubt that I'll use it because I also follow:

     

    "an indicator, recognizing, for example, the importance of knowing that in spite of the past 3 solid days of gains, the number of stocks participating in that move upward has dropped from 85% to 65%. For me personally, that's important to know. Unbelievably, some people consider it to be irrelevant."

     

    Less market participants, its the old "Generals and Troops" proposition. Pretty soon the Generals will be up there all alone. AKA Market Breadth, I believe.

     

    I follow Shorting by the Nyse Membership on a daily basis, it used to have a 2 week delay. I expect it to flash a sell signal before any True damage is done. Lets see if the HO and my indicator coincide.

     

    Don't you have any Aircraft in the area you can use? Seaplanes, etc or is it already too dangerous?

     

    Take care.
    5 Nov 2009, 11:26 PM Reply Like
  • SAS70
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    Let there be peace on Earth or at the very least on SA.

     

    When I moved back home or to my place of birth I was in ninth grade. The star wrestler and I didn't see eye to eye. After a few altercations we ended becoming best friends and remain that way. He now lives in Florida so I don't see him much but we still keep in touch. If you would have told me at the beginning of ninth grade that he and I would end up being friends let alone best friends I would have thought you were nuts after all that had initially transpired between us.
    5 Nov 2009, 11:48 PM Reply Like
  • optionsgirl
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    None of you bother me. If I don't agree with something I say so and try to provide a source. If I don't think it's worth responding I move on. I am not a delicate flower and I can wade in when I think it is necessary.

     

    I think SA has given us a wonderful platform that they have expanded and supported. I am very grateful that they were able to fend off the cyberspace attack, no doubt at personal sacrifice and financial, too.

     

    I also think that the politics we have been discussing is important because the political climate has changed our investment choices.

     

    As passionate, opinionated people, we are bound to disagree. That's OK with me. What bothers me are racial slurs, religious slurs, and the like. However, I do not believe in censorship, only self-censorship. It is only by people saying their peace that we recognize those we wish to associate with from those who have no place in our space.

     

    I have invited you into my personal space and I am delighted with the interaction.
    6 Nov 2009, 07:59 PM Reply Like
  • FocalPoint Analytics
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    Hey Rocks... because of you I bought Frost and Prechter's "Elliott Wave Principle" ... I am looking forward to reading it. Thanks !

     

    I hope you have a safe trip.
    7 Nov 2009, 04:01 PM Reply Like
  • Swashbuckler
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    Albertarocks----I enjoy much of what you write, especially the humor. I disagree frequently with things posted on SA, and I can certainly understand why some things may be regarded by some people as inappropriate to the forum. Having said that, NONE of it offends me. Being offended is ALWAYS a choice that is made, a conscious decision. If I care what someone thinks of me, and they change their opinion of me, where does that leave me? I'd be at the mercy of an insult from a stranger. So if you choose to continue to keep posting, I'll continue to enjoy it. If you choose otherwise, let's just say I won't need therapy to cope with your decision. Respectfully, Swash.
    8 Nov 2009, 01:15 PM Reply Like
  • Freya
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    Swash: Personally, I will always be offended if I hear or see a Vulgarity. My conscious decision will be whether I decide to voice it.

     

    Maybe I was brought up in a different time and environment, the 1950's and Catholic schools. Women were respected. Men did not go out of their way to swear in front of them.

     

    When you type a Comment, it is done deliberately. It is premeditated. You know exactly what you are saying and the language you are using. It is Not spontaneous.

     

    Do you think that John Wayne would have kept Silent if he saw that type of Vulgarity being used in front of women? You did. So did the rest of the male Renegades, yet none of you use it yourselves. Why don't you?

     

    Using written Vulgarity is a Conscious effort.
    8 Nov 2009, 01:58 PM Reply Like
  • Swashbuckler
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    Freya---I respect your opinion and you contribute enormously, IMO, to the SA forum. Thanks, Swash.
    8 Nov 2009, 02:13 PM Reply Like
  • Mark Bern, CFA
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    I am offended by vulgarity, sexist remarks, racial slurs, etc. If it occurs occasionally, I ignore it just as OG does. If it occurs too often by the same person, I ignore the posts by that person. But I have to say that I probably find it more offensive when someone repeats what is offensive so that we have to get hit with it twice!

     

    I also don't like personal vendettas. If I have a complaint, I voice it and move on. I consider myself a Christian. I am sorry if "that" offends anyone, but I know it probably will. To me, being a Christian means that I can forgive. If that doesn't work, I have the choice to avoid what offends me.

     

    Having said that, I should also say that I have nothing more to say that hasn't already been said. HTL has already made all the points that I could have thought of in a very eloquent and neutral fashion. This post is merely my statement of how I handle things personally and is not meant to be instructive or to invite additional comment.

     

    I appreciate the insight that goes into the comments from all of the Renegades and truly hope that it all keeps coming. If you look hard enough through my comments, I suspect you'll find an inappropriate word or two. I recall having considered alternative words in one particular case but just couldn't find one that expressed the emotion.
    8 Nov 2009, 05:52 PM Reply Like
  • Swashbuckler
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    Freya---Some of Alberta's comments may have been better suited for a guy's locker room. But with the roads I've traveled in my life, I am in no position to criticize Alberta or anyone else for their behavior. I do believe you are doing yourself a disservice if you allow his comments to hurt or injure you in any way. Especially in a forum like this, where most of us would not know each other if we were side by side in a room. For all any of you truly know, I may be on parole right now for murder, rape, or child molestation. Or I may be sitting in the prison library this instant pounding out this comment. Freya, I am not condemning you for finding certain behavior disgusting, particularly in mixed company as we have here. Some remarks are simply vile, even if you assume no ill intent behind those remarks. Especially when remarks which may be construed as demeaning in style have occurred repeatedly. Although with me, again, it's a case of been there, done that. What I am saying, is that any time I have ever felt my character attacked or an assault upon my integrity, a "sticks and stones" outlook has always served me well. Peace to you and Alberta. P.S.--I thoroughly enjoy your comments on US/China relations, like you laid out earlier today.
    8 Nov 2009, 05:57 PM Reply Like
  • doubleguns
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    I have come from a very tough and vulgar life. Not meant to be abusive towards anyone just the words that were use. 18 years as a Marine brat followed by 20 years in the Marines. I did not grow up in a catholic school nor did I serve in one.

     

    Foul language was and has always been a part of my. I am sorry if I have offended anyone but that is just who I am and who I will die as. I never have directed it at any of you and I have stated in the past that I would not call any of you a dirty name. I make that a point that is important to me.

     

    As far as racial slurs I have used them in jokes. Ethnic jokes. But never directed at anyone directly. I have two children that have suffered horrible racial slurs at them because they are half Japanese. From
    chink, gook, hong kong boy, to many others I have had to watch my children deal with those issues. I would gladly choke the living life out of the boys and girls that have said those things. I can't!!

     

    I have lived in Hawaii to Japan and have been subjected to racial slurs myself because I was not the local race. I have seen both sides of the line. It is not a good line no matter the side and should never be drawn.

     

    I would hope that my frustration and language is never directed at anyone on SA but when referring to our crooks (I'm being nice) in Washington I can't make no promise there. I am angry and from what I said on my Patriots March on Washington to numerous comments on this site about Washington I find it very difficult to come up with good alternative words to describe what I feel is happening and what I feel needs said. Sorry folks, for the past and for the what will occur again. I can not help myself. One does not change 38 years of life overnight. I will work on it but that is the best promise I can commit to.

     

    Rocks I don't think what you have ever said has bothered me. Again I say that with the understanding that I look no farther than the feeling of a statement and spend NO time looking for any farther meaning unless the comment is directed at me and it is a very deep discussion. I must add I am not very good with deep discussion. Just ask my wife.

     

    I still hope that we can get over this and get a fresh start. I am seeing a glimmer of hope here. I am optimistic. One of my faults that I prefer over the opposite option.

     

    Sorry my post is so late in the weekend, It has been a busy weekend. My life is not perfect and needs tended to at times. This has been 2 weeks of issues.

     

    Best wishes and contemplate well with a clean clear heart and reflect upon your own life prior to making overly harsh judgments. We will all be judged someday. I hope like hell I get a lot of mercy and leeway. I am going to need it.
    8 Nov 2009, 07:29 PM Reply Like
  • Mark Bern, CFA
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    Rocks - Drive carefully, buddy. And all my best wishes and prayers go out to your son and family for health, healing and a patience.
    8 Nov 2009, 08:11 PM Reply Like
  • Mayascribe
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    Rocks: First and foremost, I hope your son heals quickly, and that your bazillion mile compressed drive proves a safe one. To me, that matters most.

     

    I already know I'm going to be breaking the rules, because I already know how this comment will end. Teaser, eh?

     

    I've stood back and watched this whole messy situation develop and have not uttered a comment within this forum. Basically, from what I gather, there were some things you wrote that bothered some people, even me, ever so slightly; they've dealt with it, a truce has been kindly offered, and I dearly hope you accept it. It's time to move on. I have a lot of good friends that when I first met, we butted heads. We got beyond it, and now we're back slappin', elbow bendin' cronies. I know and respect their limits and parameters, and likewise with them, they know mine.

     

    Suggestion A: Be a little more sympathetic to race, religion and sex.

     

    Suggestion B: You might want to browse through SA's rules on these matters.

     

    As I have commented before, I really enjoy your writing style. You have innate ability and talent to blend your life's experiences, with political ideologies, keenly interlaced with humor. I also think you are a tip top chartist and a serious student to this investing game.

     

    Though most of us are in agreement with a great percentage of topics, we all have varying opinions from time to time.

     

    I also enjoy some of your extremist thoughts. That you believe there is an "underground society" has some merit in my book. At least worth examining. You haven't known me long enough, but my pop was deeply involved in a super secret underground government during Ike's administration. So was his best friend and WWWII buddy. So I absolutely know one CAN exist. Someday, I'll get around to writing in depth what my pop did. Guaranteed you'll be amazed!

     

    That H1N1 is a conspiracy is a little hard for me to swallow, though. But I like learning what's rattlin' 'round in your noggin' in this regard.

     

    I was responsible for suggesting who you should follow. I believe you still should follow the Renegades, every one, as well as being an active part of it. I will follow you.

     

    As for the tease? The DC lawmakers and Wall Street rip-off artists are effing us every which way they can. And I'm sick of this sh*t.

     

    I know my friendship with every one of the Renegades can tolerate and endure a little positive cuss'n now and again.

     

    I want your email address and will set up a dummy email account so that you can safely, if you wish to, give it to me. Let me know, done deal.

     

    Get back in here, will ya?

     

    Well...first get home safely!
    8 Nov 2009, 08:28 PM Reply Like
  • Freya
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    The top of the EW trading Range should be broken today. 1070 on the SPX was the upper limit as I recall. The question then is, what will be the New upside target?

     

    Market Breadth may have declined, but that occurs many times when the "Wheat has been separated from the Chaff". The market leaders having been identified during the Initial general Market Surge. The only real significance of this indicator occurs when the Generals are in front by themselves. Its another tool.

     

    The Markets are still climbing a "wall of worry". Complacency? There isn't any. No "rounding top", No indication whatsoever that the Bears are racing for the exits. No indication that the Bulls are very complacent either.

     

    Newsletter writers are too Bullish? The markets can move up for a very long time in that environment. They could be right.

     

    The Barrons Insider Graph is as Bullish as it was prior to the Start of this move. I'll take my cues from that.

     

    I hope my Silver call put an end to that particular piece of Panic.
    9 Nov 2009, 05:54 AM Reply Like
  • Mayascribe
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    Freya: Yes, you did. He's been gone for the last couple of days. If he wants to respond, he will. If he doesn't, he doesn't. For the time being, it's all in abeyance. We have work to do! Let's get at it. Have you read this article about gold's future and how the entire planet wants some?

     

    seekingalpha.com/insta...
    9 Nov 2009, 09:09 AM Reply Like
  • Freya
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    That's not the point Maya, The point is that he lied in his "Explanatory Comment" but none of you took him to task for it.

     

    He'll be back when I'm gone, He'll give you a "song and dance" and you will buy it. None of you came forth to defend me. You just wanted him back. I did everything you "males" wanted but it wasn't enough.

     

    Come Back Alberta is the refrain, while it should have been "Why did you Lie AR"? None of you questioned his motives.
    9 Nov 2009, 10:31 AM Reply Like
  • Mayascribe
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    Are you now attacking me? I've spent hours upon hours supporting you, and will continue to do so. Simply impossible to demand an answer from some body who is not present.

     

    For the time being, AR has family matters that are much more important.

     

    This is an investment site, where near daily we cut loose and have some fun, women included. The fun part of us helps me through my sometimes insanely stressful days as I try my best to extend my mother's life.

     

    You are not in the wrong.
    9 Nov 2009, 11:16 AM Reply Like
  • FocalPoint Analytics
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    I have been where you are now Maya. God Bless you and your Mom.
    9 Nov 2009, 12:28 PM Reply Like
  • John Lounsbury
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    Author’s reply » Commenters - - -

     

    I will post another extension Instablog if this comment stream goes over 50 to make things more user friendly unless readers post objections to that.
    9 Nov 2009, 01:45 PM Reply Like
  • Swashbuckler
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    Freya---Your frustration is understandable. I also had a run-in with Albertarocks. On a Steve Hansen article near the end of July, before he began hanging out with this group. We patched it up and moved forward. I may have been at fault, but that is irrelevant, since the only meaning that something like that has is the meaning you give it. Disputes are the rule on Seeking Alpha, not the exception. I have had many. You indicated today that you may soon have your comments deleted. I have spent much time today going over your comment stream and have concluded that there is something I would not be able to reconcile if I took a lifetime. How could anyone with your intellect and breadth of knowledge decide to permanently leave the forum over what amounts to nothing? People are going to say what they are going to say, and do what they are going to do, today and since time began. You will NEVER be able to control what people say or what they think. I could care less if a person thinks me a saint or an infidel, a genius or a fool. Out of my control. Trust me, Freya. Alberta has gotten the message, and the gender remarks will not return.The best of all scenarios is that you will hang around. Or if you feel you have no choice but to leave, maybe you will leave the door cracked for an occasional visit or return. I think it safe to say that your staying here would be appreciated by many.
    9 Nov 2009, 02:14 PM Reply Like
  • Albertarocks
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    Well I made it back safely and have gotten some much needed rest. Now that I've had a bit of time to catch up, and after reading what I've been reading, I've decided that this will be my last post on Seeking Alpha. I refuse to participate any further when one person insists on twisting my words time after time into something diabolical and distorted simply to suit her sick agenda... at my expense. It's extremely unfair and not something I will participate in any further. The damage is done. It is not reparable. It's become clear that no matter what I write, it will simply turn into fuel for another warrantless attack. Who among you would continue in such a dangerous and destructive atmosphere? I dare say none. Nobody likes to hang around where there is such a campaign of hatred, even though it's unjustified.

     

    As I've detailed in past posts, which would be clear to those who've bothered to read them, my opinion is that the name given to the rare market event known as the Hindenberg Omen was far too sensationalistic, because although it's always an ominous warning, it's also often a precursor to not much more than a very mild event. For that reason, I prefer to refer to the Hindenberg Omen as "HO". It's a shorthand that we've all gotten used to, and when I or one of you type "HO", we know what we're referring to. It's the same as "LOL", and nothing more.

     

    But then I was accused of typing "HO" as a thinly disguised derogatory comment directed toward Freya. That was just so unbelievable that if I hadn't become aware of her nature, I'd have honestly thought she was joking. Clearly she wants to push that agenda, so why do I bother? Anybody who's in that much need of attention, or in such need of drama in their life that they need to go those lengths, at the expense of another human being, is not somebody I want in my world.

     

    She's gone to the trouble to make 20 recent comments aimed at trashing the reputation of Albertarocks with hair-brained concepts that are nothing more than creations of an overblown ego and a vivid attention seeking imagination. How many of those posts have I responded to? ZERO! How many times have I fallen for her constant baiting? ZERO! Believe me folks, I'm a warrior you'd be proud of. But as all of you with military experience know, it's best to "pick your battles". This is not any battle I'm willing to waste my time on. Freya claimed that she'd "offered a truce". There is no such thing as a truce when there is a war waging with only one combatant. What I'm seeing here is a single-participant back alley cat fight where one deranged cat is fighting with itself.

     

    Onto another quick topic. Maya made the following suggestion: "Suggestion A: Be a little more sympathetic to race, religion and sex."

     

    Never once have I said anything that could be considered as even close to crossing those boundaries. I live in Calgary for cryin' out loud, one of the most racially diverse cities in existence. My very dear friends come from every color, nationality and creed known. I even enjoyed Chinese New Year in the home of a Chinese family who speak very, very little English. They've come to cherish me, simply because I'm kind to them and have no racial biases. Their offer to me was a very deep sign of respect to yours truly. Needless to say, I was very honored by their gift. So I take extreme exception to accusations of somehow being racist. Extreme exception!

     

    I've never, ever, made any comment about religion. I simply have no opinion, nor any right to express an opinion about another's religion. Why do you berate me for things I've not done? A person shouldn't believe everything they read. As a group of sharp investors, I know you know better than that.

     

    Freya accused me of saying "when the females are gone". I went to the trouble of visiting all 57 pages of my comments, and using the search feature "control F", searched every single one of my 823 comments for any occasion where I might have typed the word "female". I think you can guess exactly how many times it came up. ZERO! I did the same thing for the word "gone". Nothing but innocent uses of that word, such as in, as soon as I'm finished typing this comment, I'm "gone". I challenge each of you to do the same, and then question Freya about why she falsely accused me of that and all the other ridiculous ideas. Ideas that only come from an devious and hateful mind.

     

    I'm not going to waste my energy on this. I have enough important family matters and issues to take care of before the world catches fire.

     

    Speaking of family matters, I'm saddened to hear of your mom Maya. I've been there already and have experienced what you're going through. It crushed my brothers, my sister and myself to see our mom suddenly and unexpectedly drop into the world of alzheimer's for the last year of her long life. She too had a fall, and unfortunately it broke her 83 year old hip. I had the worst 3 years of my life that mercifully came to a conclusion in year 2000, when I lost 6 family members including my mom, dad and little brother. 7 if I include my little dog "Auggie"... and I do include him. So it was 7.

     

    Top Guns, my little brother and I would drive 3 hours every weekend to visit our mom on her "bed". We agonized together, cried together, shoulder to shoulder, seeking solace in the love we shared for her and for each other. Before she passed away, my brother took his own life after being prescribed "medication" to ward off depression. If any of you wonder why I get animated and emotional when it comes to drugs and big pharma perhaps you deserve that explanation. Some of you have detected (Maya was first lol) that I'm opinionated and beyond question a libertarian rebel, you're damned right. Big Pharma are murderers. That's what I meant when I stated that the H1N1 flu was a "farce". The flu itself is certainly real enough! What I meant was that it was created in a laboratory. All indications are that it was in the lab of James S. Robertson, Britain's leading micro-biologist of viruses. He's also the bastard who gives guidance to the WHO about whether or not to declare their level 6 conditions. Conflict of interest? Oh, I think so. I admit, I get violently angry at killers of humanity. Maybe that'll just be interpreted as a flaw in my character. I'll undoubtedly be accused of lying again about Robertson, so just Google it. I shamelessly reiterate it and if anybody doesn't like I don't give a damn. It's all a farce. The flu is real enough, but the true story behind it all is nothing short of eugenics in action. How does that warrant another attack by Gunship Freya? It doesn't. Jesus Christ, that makes me angry. This is where I'd normally insert the eff word.

     

    I should never have used the full spelling of that word. I was bad and I admit it. And I sincerely apologize to all who were offended, both male and female. Why females only should be offended is beyond me. Males can equally be offended. But I certainly haven't been offended by some of the similar things I've seen written by others. Neither was Freya.

     

    Which leads me to Swash's disclosure that he and I'd had a run in before. It's true as the day is long. I'd gone off on a tangent at the author who was extolling the virtues of the FED. I just went off my rocker because I see no virtues in the FED. Again, it was just another occasion when I went on the warpath about the FED and their real agenda (the same people who created the H1N1). Swash didn't argue with my point, instead he only defended the author, which is fair enough. I responded to Swash in courteous dialogue, he did the same, and we parted ways on good terms. I didn't even know it was our Swash at the time. I'm very glad I got to meet him later in this group venue and become friends... at least for a little while. Swash, you really are a good guy.

     

    One last issue I should address. Maya, you've asked for my email address a couple of times and it was my full intention to give it to you. I quote what I said: "I will do it". But quite literally, it was only hours later when the violence started and I had to wait to see what in hell it was all about. When I saw what was going on, and knowing that all of you were exchanging email addresses, I had the very real fear that my email address would end up in the hands of one who was bent on the destruction of Albertarocks. Under those circumstances, not one of you would have followed through and disclosed your email address either. I'm sure that makes good sense to all of you. I wasn't lying to you Maya. Events simply warranted that I hold off.

     

    Guns and Maya, I want to leave you on this positive note now. I know there is a god and although I don't know what form he takes, I DO know that he recognizes no particular religion. I know with certainty that he exists because of what he did for me when my children were born. Although it's not possible to bargain with god, I nonetheless made him a promise. It's a story I loved to tell my kids when they were little. And I can honestly say, it was a disclosure that resulted in the beautiful self esteem forming atmosphere where little superstars are born. I suggested to god that if he would give me the very best children he had in his basket... the very best ones available... that in return, I would be the very best dad for them that I could possibly be, without limits. That I would provide the very best guidance and the very best environment for them that I could, given my limited abilities and lack of experience as a father. He apparently accepted my offer, and I've held up my end of the bargain every step of the way.

     

    My children, who for some reason Freya felt necessary to bring into one of her mindless attacks, are world calibre citizens of planet earth. In fact, if I told you who my daughter is, you'd have my real identity. I'll only say that she was a world class, Olympic calibre rower. Unfortunately, she suffered a very untimely back injury in monstrously heavy training that ultimately kept her out of the Olympics at Athens. She was guaranteed a ticket on the plane. That was very disappointing for her, and for all of us in her family, to say the least. But she's moved on and now has a stellar career consulting as an "information scientist" to the health care industry in Canada and the United States. My son... that poor kid need a break. He became a commercial pilot at age 21 and then had his eyes distort slightly at age 22. It's not all that serious a condition but enough to ruin a young pilot's career. It's called Karatoconus. And recently, as some of you know, he catastrophically destroyed his knee. Dancing on the ice to entertain his beautiful girlfriend of all things. And at a solid muscular 6'1", 222 lb. and 4 years of junior and high school football with 4 championships in a row, not an injury. Of all the innocent..... dang, between that knee and his eyes, that kid could use a little bit better luck these days. Oh well, he's a bright positive guy. He'll be fine. Handsome like his dad too.

     

    On an interesting side note... his thigh from which his tendons were stripped became infected in spite of antibiotics. I'd given him a bottle of colloidal silver but he hadn't taken any because once he was immobilized he couldn't get to it. I went over to his home, got the silver to him, and within 24 hours, all pain disappeared and the infection seems to be gone. It has never returned and it's been a week now. Anyway, I tell you these things about my kids, because they are what god gave me simply because I asked him nicely... the two very best babies in his basket.

     

    And that's the very same god I've spoken with today on your mom's behalf Maya... and on the behalf of David. Guns and Maya, god exists and he's already there with your loved ones. He told me so. Of his presence at this very moment in time, with Maya's mom and with Top Guns' relative, I have absolutely no doubt. I've seen the miracles he works and he's already there on the case. There is very real reason to have hope and to expect the best :-)

     

    On the Hindenberg thingy, there's nothing to report. When it eventually triggers, it will be taken with a grain of salt anyway, possibly by myself as well, so really we're all just wasting our time here. A special thanks to John Lounsbury. We tried buddy!

     

    Options Girl, you whom I respect very deeply, as a parting suggestion, you might want to take another look at the options on Osisko. It's just completed a fabulously shaped correction and looks to be headed much higher. I'm convinced enough to have a bought a load of Jan. $7.00 calls on it. With 600,000 ounces per year for the next 12 years in the Malartic project alone, and making money at $400 gold, their future is probably sound enough to consider. It also made a good move today and sports massive volumes over the past 4 days.

     

    At the request of Eli, Albertarocks won't be nuked unless I give him the signal, but it will indeed just slip into oblivion. So I bid you all farewell and wish you all the very best of health and every success you could ever ask for. I consider myself to have been truly blessed for a short period in my life for having met you.

     

    .
    11 Nov 2009, 06:50 PM Reply Like
  • GotLife
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    Too bad. Your post expresses the quality of the man and you will be missed by many. The rating you have "earned" on SA shows that many others have come to see you as a most valued opinion. Some good coaching I received as a young man was to ignore the one individual seeking to destroy you or risk losing the group. Sounds like you have tried mightily. Blessings!

     

    On Nov 11 06:50 PM Albertarocks wrote:

     

    > Well I made it back safely and have gotten some much needed rest.
    > Now that I've had a bit of time to catch up, and after reading what
    > I've been reading, I've decided that this will be my last post on
    > Seeking Alpha. I refuse to participate any further when one person
    > insists on twisting my words time after time into something diabolical
    > and distorted simply to suit her sick agenda... at my expense. It's
    > extremely unfair and not something I will participate in any further.
    > The damage is done. It is not reparable. It's become clear that
    > no matter what I write, it will simply turn into fuel for another
    > warrantless attack. Who among you would continue in such a dangerous
    > and destructive atmosphere? I dare say none. Nobody likes to hang
    > around where there is such a campaign of hatred, even though it's
    > unjustified.
    >
    > As I've detailed in past posts, which would be clear to those who've
    > bothered to read them, my opinion is that the name given to the rare
    > market event known as the Hindenberg Omen was far too sensationalistic,
    > because although it's always an ominous warning, it's also often
    > a precursor to not much more than a very mild event. For that reason,
    > I prefer to refer to the Hindenberg Omen as "HO". It's a shorthand
    > that we've all gotten used to, and when I or one of you type "HO",
    > we know what we're referring to. It's the same as "LOL", and nothing
    > more.
    >
    > But then I was accused of typing "HO" as a thinly disguised derogatory
    > comment directed toward Freya. That was just so unbelievable that
    > if I hadn't become aware of her nature, I'd have honestly thought
    > she was joking. Clearly she wants to push that agenda, so why do
    > I bother? Anybody who's in that much need of attention, or in such
    > need of drama in their life that they need to go those lengths, at
    > the expense of another human being, is not somebody I want in my
    > world.
    >
    > She's gone to the trouble to make 20 recent comments aimed at trashing
    > the reputation of Albertarocks with hair-brained concepts that are
    > nothing more than creations of an overblown ego and a vivid attention
    > seeking imagination. How many of those posts have I responded to?
    > ZERO! How many times have I fallen for her constant baiting? ZERO!
    > Believe me folks, I'm a warrior you'd be proud of. But as all of
    > you with military experience know, it's best to "pick your battles".
    > This is not any battle I'm willing to waste my time on. Freya claimed
    > that she'd "offered a truce". There is no such thing as a truce
    > when there is a war waging with only one combatant. What I'm seeing
    > here is a single-participant back alley cat fight where one deranged
    > cat is fighting with itself.
    >
    > Onto another quick topic. Maya made the following suggestion: "Suggestion
    > A: Be a little more sympathetic to race, religion and sex."
    >
    > Never once have I said anything that could be considered as even
    > close to crossing those boundaries. I live in Calgary for cryin'
    > out loud, one of the most racially diverse cities in existence.
    > My very dear friends come from every color, nationality and creed
    > known. I even enjoyed Chinese New Year in the home of a Chinese
    > family who speak very, very little English. They've come to cherish
    > me, simply because I'm kind to them and have no racial biases. Their
    > offer to me was a very deep sign of respect to yours truly. Needless
    > to say, I was very honored by their gift. So I take extreme exception
    > to accusations of somehow being racist. Extreme exception!
    >
    > I've never, ever, made any comment about religion. I simply have
    > no opinion, nor any right to express an opinion about another's religion.
    > Why do you berate me for things I've not done? A person shouldn't
    > believe everything they read. As a group of sharp investors, I know
    > you know better than that.
    >
    > Freya accused me of saying "when the females are gone". I went to
    > the trouble of visiting all 57 pages of my comments, and using the
    > search feature "control F", searched every single one of my 823 comments
    > for any occasion where I might have typed the word "female". I think
    > you can guess exactly how many times it came up. ZERO! I did the
    > same thing for the word "gone". Nothing but innocent uses of that
    > word, such as in, as soon as I'm finished typing this comment, I'm
    > "gone". I challenge each of you to do the same, and then question
    > Freya about why she falsely accused me of that and all the other
    > ridiculous ideas. Ideas that only come from an devious and hateful
    > mind.
    >
    > I'm not going to waste my energy on this. I have enough important
    > family matters and issues to take care of before the world catches
    > fire.
    >
    > Speaking of family matters, I'm saddened to hear of your mom Maya.
    > I've been there already and have experienced what you're going through.
    > It crushed my brothers, my sister and myself to see our mom suddenly
    > and unexpectedly drop into the world of alzheimer's for the last
    > year of her long life. She too had a fall, and unfortunately it
    > broke her 83 year old hip. I had the worst 3 years of my life that
    > mercifully came to a conclusion in year 2000, when I lost 6 family
    > members including my mom, dad and little brother. 7 if I include
    > my little dog "Auggie"... and I do include him. So it was 7.
    >
    > Top Guns, my little brother and I would drive 3 hours every weekend
    > to visit our mom on her "bed". We agonized together, cried together,
    > shoulder to shoulder, seeking solace in the love we shared for her
    > and for each other. Before she passed away, my brother took his
    > own life after being prescribed "medication" to ward off depression.
    > If any of you wonder why I get animated and emotional when it comes
    > to drugs and big pharma perhaps you deserve that explanation. Some
    > of you have detected (Maya was first lol) that I'm opinionated and
    > beyond question a libertarian rebel, you're damned right. Big Pharma
    > are murderers. That's what I meant when I stated that the H1N1 flu
    > was a "farce". The flu itself is certainly real enough! What I
    > meant was that it was created in a laboratory. All indications are
    > that it was in the lab of James S. Robertson, Britain's leading micro-biologist
    > of viruses. He's also the bastard who gives guidance to the WHO
    > about whether or not to declare their level 6 conditions. Conflict
    > of interest? Oh, I think so. I admit, I get violently angry at
    > killers of humanity. Maybe that'll just be interpreted as a flaw
    > in my character. I'll undoubtedly be accused of lying again about
    > Robertson, so just Google it. I shamelessly reiterate it and if
    > anybody doesn't like I don't give a damn. It's all a farce. The
    > flu is real enough, but the true story behind it all is nothing short
    > of eugenics in action. How does that warrant another attack by Gunship
    > Freya? It doesn't. Jesus Christ, that makes me angry. This is
    > where I'd normally insert the eff word.
    >
    > I should never have used the full spelling of that word. I was bad
    > and I admit it. And I sincerely apologize to all who were offended,
    > both male and female. Why females only should be offended is beyond
    > me. Males can equally be offended. But I certainly haven't been
    > offended by some of the similar things I've seen written by others.
    > Neither was Freya.
    >
    > Which leads me to Swash's disclosure that he and I'd had a run in
    > before. It's true as the day is long. I'd gone off on a tangent
    > at the author who was extolling the virtues of the FED. I just went
    > off my rocker because I see no virtues in the FED. Again, it was
    > just another occasion when I went on the warpath about the FED and
    > their real agenda (the same people who created the H1N1). Swash
    > didn't argue with my point, instead he only defended the author,
    > which is fair enough. I responded to Swash in courteous dialogue,
    > he did the same, and we parted ways on good terms. I didn't even
    > know it was our Swash at the time. I'm very glad I got to meet him
    > later in this group venue and become friends... at least for a little
    > while. Swash, you really are a good guy.
    >
    > One last issue I should address. Maya, you've asked for my email
    > address a couple of times and it was my full intention to give it
    > to you. I quote what I said: "I will do it". But quite literally,
    > it was only hours later when the violence started and I had to wait
    > to see what in hell it was all about. When I saw what was going
    > on, and knowing that all of you were exchanging email addresses,
    > I had the very real fear that my email address would end up in the
    > hands of one who was bent on the destruction of Albertarocks. Under
    > those circumstances, not one of you would have followed through and
    > disclosed your email address either. I'm sure that makes good sense
    > to all of you. I wasn't lying to you Maya. Events simply warranted
    > that I hold off.
    >
    > Guns and Maya, I want to leave you on this positive note now. I
    > know there is a god and although I don't know what form he takes,
    > I DO know that he recognizes no particular religion. I know with
    > certainty that he exists because of what he did for me when my children
    > were born. Although it's not possible to bargain with god, I nonetheless
    > made him a promise. It's a story I loved to tell my kids when they
    > were little. And I can honestly say, it was a disclosure that resulted
    > in the beautiful self esteem forming atmosphere where little superstars
    > are born. I suggested to god that if he would give me the very best
    > children he had in his basket... the very best ones available...
    > that in return, I would be the very best dad for them that I could
    > possibly be, without limits. That I would provide the very best
    > guidance and the very best environment for them that I could, given
    > my limited abilities and lack of experience as a father. He apparently
    > accepted my offer, and I've held up my end of the bargain every step
    > of the way.
    >
    > My children, who for some reason Freya felt necessary to bring into
    > one of her mindless attacks, are world calibre citizens of planet
    > earth. In fact, if I told you who my daughter is, you'd have my
    > real identity. I'll only say that she was a world class, Olympic
    > calibre rower. Unfortunately, she suffered a very untimely back
    > injury in monstrously heavy training that ultimately kept her out
    > of the Olympics at Athens. She was guaranteed a ticket on the plane.
    > That was very disappointing for her, and for all of us in her family,
    > to say the least. But she's moved on and now has a stellar career
    > consulting as an "information scientist" to the health care industry
    > in Canada and the United States. My son... that poor kid need a
    > break. He became a commercial pilot at age 21 and then had his eyes
    > distort slightly at age 22. It's not all that serious a condition
    > but enough to ruin a young pilot's career. It's called Karatoconus.
    > And recently, as some of you know, he catastrophically destroyed
    > his knee. Dancing on the ice to entertain his beautiful girlfriend
    > of all things. And at a solid muscular 6'1", 222 lb. and 4 years
    > of junior and high school football with 4 championships in a row,
    > not an injury. Of all the innocent..... dang, between that knee
    > and his eyes, that kid could use a little bit better luck these days.
    > Oh well, he's a bright positive guy. He'll be fine. Handsome like
    > his dad too.
    >
    > On an interesting side note... his thigh from which his tendons were
    > stripped became infected in spite of antibiotics. I'd given him
    > a bottle of colloidal silver but he hadn't taken any because once
    > he was immobilized he couldn't get to it. I went over to his home,
    > got the silver to him, and within 24 hours, all pain disappeared
    > and the infection seems to be gone. It has never returned and it's
    > been a week now. Anyway, I tell you these things about my kids,
    > because they are what god gave me simply because I asked him nicely...
    > the two very best babies in his basket.
    >
    > And that's the very same god I've spoken with today on your mom's
    > behalf Maya... and on the behalf of David. Guns and Maya, god exists
    > and he's already there with your loved ones. He told me so. Of
    > his presence at this very moment in time, with Maya's mom and with
    > Top Guns' relative, I have absolutely no doubt. I've seen the miracles
    > he works and he's already there on the case. There is very real
    > reason to have hope and to expect the best :-)
    >
    > On the Hindenberg thingy, there's nothing to report. When it eventually
    > triggers, it will be taken with a grain of salt anyway, possibly
    > by myself as well, so really we're all just wasting our time here.
    > A special thanks to John Lounsbury. We tried buddy!
    >
    > Options Girl, you whom I respect very deeply, as a parting suggestion,
    > you might want to take another look at the options on Osisko. It's
    > just completed a fabulously shaped correction and looks to be headed
    > much higher. I'm convinced enough to have a bought a load of Jan.
    > $7.00 calls on it. With 600,000 ounces per year for the next 12 years
    > in the Malartic project alone, and making money at $400 gold, their
    > future is probably sound enough to consider. It also made a good
    > move today and sports massive volumes over the past 4 days.
    >
    > At the request of Eli, Albertarocks won't be nuked unless I give
    > him the signal, but it will indeed just slip into oblivion. So I
    > bid you all farewell and wish you all the very best of health and
    > every success you could ever ask for. I consider myself to have
    > been truly blessed for a short period in my life for having met you.
    >
    >
    >
    > .
    12 Nov 2009, 08:00 AM Reply Like
  • Mark Bern, CFA
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    Rocks - If you are still reading anything on SA, I wish you all the best and am truly sorry we didn't get to spend more time getting to know each other. I enjoyed your posts and will miss you spirited commentary.
    17 Nov 2009, 06:25 PM Reply Like
  • yellowhoard
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    Rocks,

     

    Take some time off and come back bro.

     

    I miss your comments.
    17 Nov 2009, 06:51 PM Reply Like
  • Mayascribe
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    Alberta: I'm truly pissed off at myself and feeling quite derelict for not seeing your last post sooner. I greatly appreciate that you took the time to write it, and how beautifully written it is to read. You are a gifted writer, as well as a gifted human being. Just today I was going through the list of who I follow, in an attempt to track down ScroogeMcDuck's latest comment, so that I could watch a video he posted.

     

    I saw your kayak icon, and paused.

     

    Too bad we never got to exchange emails. I understand your concerns in the heat of the moment, but I never give anyone's email address without prior consent.

     

    From the first day or two you were here, I bore witness to your abilities and insights. I knew right away I wanted to get to know you better. Alas, things went wrong.

     

    During my nascent days here on SA, battery guru, John Petersen, and I butted heads for weeks. I believe I was the very first person he asked (almost insisted) to stay away from his column. Guess what, we're now great cyber pals! I believe somewhere above I mentioned that several of my best friends, when we first met, well, we were like two rams banging heads for mating rights on a cleft of a mountain.

     

    If, per chance, you do read this, you can find me by googling "Mayascribe." You'll find my name next to "Twitter." If you use the shorter version of the first name with the last name and then add @hotmail you'll have my email address.

     

    Type "AlbertaRocks" in the subject line, and we'll then be in contact.

     

    Otherwise, you will be missed, and fondly remembered. I'm not too worried about this, because sooner or later you'll find me, whether through the above, the White Pages, or after my novel is hopefully in your nearest bookstore. I most certainly would welcome that!

     

    May the Creator bless you and yours.
    17 Nov 2009, 08:07 PM Reply Like
  • tripleblack
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    Vaya con Dios, 'Rocks.
    17 Nov 2009, 09:29 PM Reply Like
  • optionsgirl
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    peace and profits!
    17 Nov 2009, 10:21 PM Reply Like
  • Freya
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    While I was gone, he did exactly what I said he would do. And you bought it, just like I said you would. His comments include the following:

     

    "What I'm seeing here is a single-participant back alley cat fight where one deranged cat is fighting with itself."

     

    A very Gentlemanly Comment.

     

    "Freya accused me of saying "when the females are gone". I went to
    the trouble of visiting all 57 pages of my comments, and using the
    search feature "control F", searched every single one of my 823 comments
    for any occasion where I might have typed the word "female". I think
    you can guess exactly how many times it came up. ZERO! I did the
    same thing for the word "gone".

     

    This comment is still there in the response of another female reader, The Original was deleted at my request because of the Included Obscenity. It was included in my Insta which I deleted as part of my Truce.

     

    "This is where I'd normally insert the eff word.

     

    I should never have used the full spelling of that word. I was bad and I admit it. And I sincerely apologize to all who were offended, both male and female. Why females only should be offended is beyond me. Males can equally be offended. But I certainly haven't been offended by some of the similar things I've seen written by others. Neither was Freya."

     

    A Gentleman never spells out that word in mixed company. He does so Normally. I don't bother to "Comment" on its use or similar uses, I just report Abuse as I see them. Poof, Gone. Why bother to lend credence with a comment. All of the Comments which included the "eff" word were deleted.

     

    "My children, who for some reason Freya felt necessary to bring into one of her mindless attacks"

     

    Yes, I wondered whether his daughter would appreciate seeing The Eff word in her Father's comments and said so.

     

    This is the Comment he can't Conveniently find and the Comment I asked him to show his daughter, the One I had deleted so his daughter wouldn't be exposed to it: In Lower48's comment stream:

     

    On Nov 03 12:13 PM Albertarocks wrote:

     

    > Since there's no women in this room I can tell you guys this. Gotta
    > just love BNN. Yesterday one of the anchors actually said: "It's
    > your fucking job".
    >
    > He was quoting from a book about Bear Stearns I thing, but still
    > it's refreshing that BNN is a real honest network. I fuckin' love
    > it. Nov 03 01:16 PM |

     

    He Never retracted his first lie:

     

    "One time Freya left a comment that ended with ????

     

    I thought she was saying: "Remember that one Albertarocks?" Where I come from, that's what ???? means. It means "do you remember?" It's rhetorical"

     

    This is a Lie. I never left a comment that ended with "????". EVER, to anyone.

     

    So Now I'm a "Deranged" Cat. I'm "Mindless" because I don't believe in seeing or having others see these "Normal" words he likes to use.
    18 Nov 2009, 05:51 AM Reply Like
  • Hot Richard
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    Freya,
    If you are really arguing about the use of the "eff word" (the most useful, commonly used, beautiful, inspirational, and efficient word in the world...not just the English language), then the jury has reached its decision.

     

    My multi-linguistic appreciation for that word knows no limits. It is precious.
    18 Nov 2009, 10:04 AM Reply Like
  • Freya
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    Hot Richard: I'm not arguing, I'm showing you exactly what he said. If you Include the Personal Abuse in his latest post, It is just a continuation.

     

    Pray tell, how many languages is the American "eff" word translated into?

     

    I have Never called him names.

     

    But, Then I see you are concentrating on one aspect and Condoning the Abuse itself. Very, very nice.

     

    You have chosen to ignore his lie and the latest " "I did a Search..."

     

    What do you have to say regarding those comments?

     

    Anything?
    18 Nov 2009, 01:33 PM Reply Like
  • Freya
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    Hot Richard: Since you love it so much, why don't you include the "eff" word in every comment you make from Now On.
    18 Nov 2009, 01:55 PM Reply Like
  • one eye
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    Hot Richard: I look forward to not seeing another comment from you. So far the System has been cleaned of your word of choice. But if you do as asked, I won't have to see another of your Comments, Ever.
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  • Albertarocks
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    For anyone still interested in, or curious about, the Hindenberg Omen, it's time for an update since it appears that a correction (at least) off the Jan. highs is underway. The volume characteristics of the past 10 weeks or so have been giving a signal that a big change was coming. During the Christmas season, I noticed a change in the volume metrics that was so glaring that it almost knocked my socks off. It became clear that the "distribution" process began in every index, at the exact same time... in early October. The phenomenon even showed up in the dollar as measured by the dollar proxy UUP. It was as though somebody had flipped a switch or had given a secret message to all the big players. So my opinion is that we're going to see lower prices in the coming weeks. If the big boys are selling, why should we be buying? So here's where the Hindenberg Omen stands:

     

    Although the Omen has several criteria that must be met, one of it's main points of focus is about new 52 week lows and new 52 week highs occurring at the same time. However, if you look at a daily chart of any major index, you'll notice an interesting co-incidence that might make the Omen's signal very late this time around. Here's a good chart to glance at for purposes of showing what I mean:

     

    stockcharts.com/h-sc/u...

     

    If price falls from here, notice that exactly 52 weeks ago, markets were in the midst of a deep sell-off back then too. So if we happen to see the markets drop off sharply in the coming weeks, the odds of hitting new 52 week lows won't be nearly as likely as they would normally be. So although the damage done in the coming weeks might be pretty hefty, the HO would not likely trigger a signal until much later, if at all (more on that a little further down). On the other hand, it doesn't take many stocks hitting a new 52 week low in order to trigger the HO, so it still might happen. As of today there are only 5 new 52 week lows. There needs to be 75, and it's difficult to know how many are getting close. But that's a number that could still change very quickly with a meaningful drop in market prices.

     

    If it turns out that any correction in the coming weeks or months isn't too severe and the market turns back up, then the odds of seeing a meaningful and "helpful" signal from the HO sometime after March would be far more likely than in the next 6 weeks or so. It that were to occur in March or later, you can bet your britches it would be valid. A big red flag that we'd be nuts to ignore because the odds of it being a false alarm at that time would be extremely remote.

     

    But now a new twist has emerged. Another item in the criteria required is that the weekly moving average in the NYSE must be rising at the time all other criteria are met. Obviously, it has been rising, for nearly 10 straight months. But with the sharpness of the recent correction, that MA has turned sharply lower. As long as that average is pointing down, the Hindenberg Omen has effectively been neutered. And it would take a sharp and sustained rally to turn it back up from here. As such, even if this correction resumes later this week, the HO is still going to be useless if not invalidated completely... a very rare occurrence. According to reports I've read, the HO has never failed to signal every large correction or crash in at least the past 3 decades. This time it's different. Famous last words that many sheep are afraid to mutter. I'm not... when it's a fact, it's a fact.

     

    So those are the scenarios we're looking at. In summary, I'd say that at this point in time, based on a rather weird and totally unlikely co-incidence of timing, the Hindenberg Omen isn't going to be of much value over the coming 6 weeks or so. It's strictly mathematical and in combination with a strange co-incidence, but it is what it is. Besides, none of us need this well thought out gem of an indicator to tell us when it's time to exit the markets. But it's interesting nonetheless.

     

    Now this item: The incredibly unlikely event of seeing 21 green Mondays out of the past 23 is nothing more than market manipulation and the creation of illusions of the highest degree. The boyz have been setting up a pattern that even a gerbil could recognize. The mathematical probability of this being a random event are effectively zero. Imagine this, 80% of the gains over the past 10 months have come on only 14% of the available trading days, and all of them were Mondays. And on incredibly low volume Mondays to boot. That was another reason I've been convinced all along that 90% of the market gains were thanks to the efforts of the pump jockeys and nothing else. It appears to me that we're about to find out that this was true. There's a reason behind this pattern, and I think it should be clear to everyone what that reason is. "Make sure you load up every Friday night folks, Monday's gonna be great". Recent articles about an increase in insider buying although probably true, don't mean a hill of beans to me compared to the evidence I come up with through my own work. I'd rather believe what I see with my own 4 eyes than the constant stream of hype and garbage government numbers.

     

    I firmly believe that next Monday is not going to be a green Monday. I don't necessarily think it's going to be a hard crash, but the beginning of one. I went short on Jan. 11, and bailed out yesterday when I tightened stops in anticipation of a weak rally this week, which is now in progress. I'll be going heavily short again as soon as I get the signal, (Friday is as good a guess as any), and I don't plan on changing my shorts again until sometime in the spring. I expect that some day in perhaps April, some pretty lady will stop me on the street and say: "Excuse me sir, but I think it's time you changed your shorts". I'd thank her for her advice and ask if she'd like to join me for dinner where we could discuss whether or not I really needed to change my shorts at that time or wait another month. Anyway, that's the kind of signal I'll be looking for before I'd be willing to go long this market again. I'd expect a great bounce off the June highs or July lows before any possibility of seeing new highs. I'd most likely change my shorts then.

     

    Just my two cents worth. I'm sure some of you believe it's "up, up and away" from here, and that's just fine and admirable to have an opinion. I just urge caution at this point because there are many, many reasons to be concerned.

     

    By the way, does anybody know who gave yours truly 200 thumbs downs while I was MIA? I don't think that was called for. I left SA with some sadness and a bitter taste in my mouth out of pure disgust with the goings on back in November, and I thought surely things might have smartened up after 3 months. Perhaps not. Best of luck to all. I still think of you as great friends :-)
    2 Feb 2010, 02:15 PM Reply Like
  • John Lounsbury
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    Author’s reply » Alberta - - -

     

    Thanks for posting the update. I see from the thumbs ip that some people appreciated it, as did I. If you want to keep using this venue, I can open a new Instablog (maybe Hindenberg Twice Extended) so that we don't have to page down for so long to get to the posts.

     

    Let me know if you want to do that.
    2 Feb 2010, 07:39 PM Reply Like
  • The shark
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    Great idea John.

     

    Welcome back Alberta - a person with your insights should not go MIA for too long!
    3 Feb 2010, 08:03 AM Reply Like
  • Albertarocks
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    Hi John! How've you been my friend? It's your call sir. On the one hand it makes it a lot easier when a webpage isn't allowed to grow too long. But on the other hand, I doubt this one's going to grow much. I can't foresee any reason the HO would do anything that would require an update for quite some time. If a lot of other comments were to land here for some reason, then I think we'd all jointly say "yes please, would you mind setting us up with another one?". It's entirely up to you John.

     

    Shark... thank you for the kind words. It's rewarding to know that my contributions are appreciated from time to time. I have nothing to offer when it comes to individual stocks, but on the macro scene and in the context of broader markets (domestic and global), I have some pretty good insights that I like to share sometimes. Often though, my views are perceived as "that's not what I wanted to hear", so sometimes aren't very welcome. Nobody likes the bearer of warnings, so for the most part I don't say too much anymore, even though I have enough evidence to sink a ship. It falls on deaf ears 92.3% of the time anyway, so there's no need for me to perturb people who didn't ask for my opinion in the first place. But thanks for the compliment Shark dude... I really do appreciate it. And keep your stops real tight.
    3 Feb 2010, 11:19 PM Reply Like
  • Freya
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    Speaking of disgust, these are your words:

     

    "That Hoard is a dude, who's mind is so crude
    But golly he keeps me in stiches
    But laugh while we can, I'm tellin' ya man,
    Ya can't when the room's full of bitches.
    Oct 29 23:27 pm |Rating: +9 0"

     

    On Nov 03 12:13 PM Albertarocks wrote:

     

    > Since there's no women in this room I can tell you guys this. Gotta
    > just love BNN. Yesterday one of the anchors actually said: "It's
    > your fucking job".
    >
    > He was quoting from a book about Bear Stearns I thing, but still
    > it's refreshing that BNN is a real honest network. I fuckin' love
    > it. Nov 03 01:16 PM |"

     

    I'm disgusted that a person like you had the Gall to come back and is still speaking as if you were the injured party.

     

    While you were gone, someone did a "song and dance" on all of us in the Thumbs down arena. I was actually surprised you didn't get more. Thought you were doing it, considering

     

    "How you left in disgust."

     

    Make a comment, any comment.

     

    "That Hoard is a dude, who's mind is so crude
    But golly he keeps me in stiches
    But laugh while we can, I'm tellin' ya man,
    Ya can't when the room's full of bitches.
    Oct 29 23:27 pm |Rating: +9 0"

     

    On Nov 03 12:13 PM Albertarocks wrote:

     

    > Since there's no women in this room I can tell you guys this. Gotta
    > just love BNN. Yesterday one of the anchors actually said: "It's
    > your fucking job".
    >
    > He was quoting from a book about Bear Stearns I thing, but still
    > it's refreshing that BNN is a real honest network. I fuckin' love
    > it. Nov 03 01:16 PM |
    4 Feb 2010, 12:48 PM Reply Like
  • H. T. Love
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    By the way, does anybody know who gave yours truly 200 thumbs downs while I was MIA? I don't think that was called for. I left SA with some sadness and a bitter taste in my mouth out of pure disgust with the goings on back in November, and I thought surely things might have smartened up after 3 months. Perhaps not. Best of luck to all. I still think of you as great friends :-)

     

    There was a troll active that seemed to be hitting everyone involved with the group.

     

    HardToLove
    2 Feb 2010, 02:33 PM Reply Like
  • doubleguns
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    Rocks, nice to hear from you. Man it seems a lot longer than last Nov. We had a really big time with that troll HTL mentioned. Never seen anything like it. User outed him and the troll went ballistic. Posted rebuttals on every, yes EVERY, post on seeking alpha. I think SA had a hard time cleaning up the mess. 200 would be a small hit compared to some others.

     

    I am too busy with politics right now that I don't get to post much. Just finished sending out emails all over the state.

     

    Take care, see ya around when our paths cross.

     

    Doubleguns
    4 Feb 2010, 12:15 AM Reply Like
  • John Lounsbury
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    Author’s reply » Readers - - -

     

    There is a new Instablog (Hindenberg Omen - Twice Extended) just created for future discussion of this indicator: seekingalpha.com/insta... .

     

    This comment stream length was becoming unwieldy.
    4 Feb 2010, 12:48 AM Reply Like
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