AMD's new 8-core FX-9370 (4.7 GHz.) and FX-9590 (5 GHz.) desktop CPUs turn back the clock to the...


AMD's new 8-core FX-9370 (4.7 GHz.) and FX-9590 (5 GHz.) desktop CPUs turn back the clock to the days when clock speeds were a huge deal. AMD claims the 9590 is the "first commercially available 5 GHz. CPU,"  and promises unmatched gaming/multimedia performance. Both chips use AMD's existing 32nm process and Piledriver architecture (launched in 2012). As AnandTech observes, AMD is countering the launch of Intel's (INTC) 22nm Haswell CPUs, which offer modest performance gains but big power savings, by heading in a very different direction. Chips based on Piledriver's sucessor, Steamroller, launch later this year; they'll use a 28nm process.
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  • Jeach!
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    "first commercially available 5 GHz. CPU"

     

    Pretty impressive marketing campaign that could be had with this! I really hope AMD will maximize it's efforts on that basis.

     

    "As AnandTech observes, AMD is countering the launch of Intel's (INTC) 22nm Haswell CPUs, which offer modest performance gains but big power savings, by heading in a very different direction."

     

    Interesting! Reminds me of the differing Boeing vs. Airbus philosophies and their future directions.

     

    I'll have to read the AnandTech article. But it's important to note that not too many people, especially gamers, that worry about consumed power. Not saying that's ok... but it's reality and it may pay off for AMD if they offer decent performance.
    11 Jun 2013, 09:36 PM Reply Like
  • bd4uandu
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    Who is the foundry for this? TSM?
    11 Jun 2013, 10:04 PM Reply Like
  • chickensevil
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    GlobalFoundries is their primary source as far as I know. That's why the recent flooding in Germany was messing with the AMD price, because of fears of it impacting their supply.
    12 Jun 2013, 08:53 AM Reply Like
  • 10208741
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    Global Foundries 32 nm SOI.

     

    Basically AMD manufacturing which eventually became GloFo has a process called APM, where in a manufacturing process in its life time can go a tremendous number of improvements and tweaks. So it is really marvelous that they are able to beat a 2+ year old process to death and bring improvements over it. At equivalent nanometers, AMD's(now GF's) process is better than Intel's. The problem always is that Intel is 18-24 month ahead in generation.

     

    Just so that people are clear.

     

    Llano APU, Trinity APU - 32 nm PD-SOI Glo Fo
    Bulldozer and PileDriver based MPUs - FX series - 32nm PD-SOI Glo Fo

     

    Brazos1 Brazos2 and Hondo APUs- 40nm Bulk TSMC
    Kabini , Temash APUs - 28nm Bulk HKMG TSMC

     

    Kaveri APU - 28nm Bulk HKMG Global Foundries which would share elements with Samsungs 28nm bulk

     

    So the PS4 and XBOne SOCs as they have a Jaguar based CPU core and are at 28nm there is a high chance that they too are fabbed at TSMC.
    12 Jun 2013, 02:16 PM Reply Like
  • bd4uandu
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    Interesting thanks for the information.
    12 Jun 2013, 02:31 PM Reply Like
  • Jeach!
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    @10208741

     

    I head read a lot (or as much as I could find) on AMD's APM. It was pretty brilliant considering that AMD knew they could never match Intel's R&D budgets and CAPEX.

     

    From what I had read (and compared), I determined the same thing... that it was superior to Intel's also. But don't say that too loud, you'll get a ton of Intel fanboys on your case.

     

    Although my research was many years ago so I don't know if it is still true today. If it is still true, I would expect that all the advantages will be 'merged' in with the upcoming 450 mm 'automation and process' standards.
    14 Jun 2013, 10:39 AM Reply Like
  • 10208741
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    The difference is that GloFo will have a mind on its own. For GF AMD is just one of the clients even though it seems to be the largest and even the only one for now.
    15 Jun 2013, 08:10 AM Reply Like
  • Ashraf Eassa
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    200W+ in order to simply match what Intel offers at <1/2 the power. Ouch.
    11 Jun 2013, 10:39 PM Reply Like
  • Justin Jaynes
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    I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it :)

     

    Regarding i7-4770k:
    http://bit.ly/13AkW0g
    We’ve spoken to several boutique manufacturers and high-end overclockers on the topic, all of whom have tested multiple chips. Group consensus is that while Ivy Bridge could hit 4.6 – 4.7GHz on air, Haswell struggles to reach 4.5GHz.
    11 Jun 2013, 11:20 PM Reply Like
  • chickensevil
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    Yeah, Intel has been almost going backwards on power and performance, rather than forward. For example to "fix" some of the issues with Ivy Bridge, hard core overclockers were doing what is called "delidding" their chips (removing the metal plate on top of the CPU to expose the chip itself) and then reseating it with new thermal. Because Intel out the gates screwed everyone by sticking too much thermal between these two pieces dramatically impacting performance.

     

    Second point is you look at the original i7. Their top of the line 900 series chip with I believe it was 6 cores and 12 threads still comes in at 1k$ even though it was released in '08. Why? because NONE of their processors have been able to match that performance mark. Yes, that's right. A processor they released in '08 is better than the crap they just pushed this year. The only reason you might not want to go with that processor would be because the chipset it is running on is older and lacks support for some of the newer technologies on the motherboard.

     

    As someone who invests in markets that I know (rather than trying to invest in say farming which I have no clue all the ins and outs) this is one area that I can tell you, Intel needs to step up their game soon or they will really start to lose market share. One amazing product release from AMD or ARM and I think we will see a mass exodus from Intel.
    12 Jun 2013, 09:08 AM Reply Like
  • ash187
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    Except ARM chipmakers and AMD have had plenty of time to release these amazing products and establish a lead, and still have been outmanoeuvred by intel in one 'chess move'.
    12 Jun 2013, 09:30 AM Reply Like
  • Justin Jaynes
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    Clover Trail tablets are terrible, so what exactly is this one chess move? The Bay Trail tablets we have yet to see yet? The $999 core i* tablets that we have yet to see how they sale, considering the average retail price consumers pay for a tablet is probably what OEMs would have to spend just to buy the CPU from Intel?
    12 Jun 2013, 01:19 PM Reply Like
  • Stock Market Mike
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    ash187: No they haven't. AMD has been 2 years behind Intel in R&D since the Phenoms. Intel giving them all this time to catch up in performance is great for AMD. It gives them a chance where previously they had none. This/next generation have the possibility of being another Athlon64/X2 situation.
    13 Jun 2013, 10:18 AM Reply Like
  • Ashraf Eassa
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    "Clover Trail tablets are terrible, so what exactly is this one chess move?"

     

    Ever actually use one?
    15 Jun 2013, 11:40 AM Reply Like
  • Justin Jaynes
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    No

     

    http://amzn.to/13JGfhQ
    http://amzn.to/13JGfy4
    http://amzn.to/13JGcSW

     

    http://bit.ly/13JGcT0

     

    It has bad reviews (3.5 stars, except the one instance of only 4 reviews, therefore a small sample) and is more expensive than cheaper tablets with good reviews.

     

    THG hated it.

     

    I'm waiting for an OEM to do something decent, and at the right price. I wouldn't dream of buying a clover trail tablet with temash/kabini/bay trail coming.
    15 Jun 2013, 04:16 PM Reply Like
  • Ashraf Eassa
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    Justin

     

    I've used Clover Trail tablets. They feel significantly faster than any of the RT tabs and many Android tabs. Low res screen is what does them in though.
    15 Jun 2013, 04:47 PM Reply Like
  • Justin Jaynes
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    And price

     

    What's the cheapest clover trail tablet with decent reviews? These will most likely be more appealing when OEMs can get them to the same price points with similar displays.
    15 Jun 2013, 05:18 PM Reply Like
  • Justin Jaynes
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    not intel's fault at all, but the OEM's really need to put together some great hardware. hopefully bay trail/temash get some nice designs that make win8 tabs worthwhile, and not $900
    16 Jun 2013, 02:01 AM Reply Like
  • Cincinnatus
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    Justin,
    Clover Trail tablets aren't terrible - quite the opposite is true.

     

    Firstly, you are purposefully misrepresenting the THG review. They didn't hate CloverTrail. In fact they clearly stated the opposite. What they didn't like was the execution of the Acer W510 itself, which they made very clear in the review. The CloverTrail itself they loved.

     

    "Of course, my purpose here wasn't just to unload on Acer. I originally wanted to evaluate the technology in the W510, and discuss Intel's challenge to ARM. Can x86 CPUs compete in the tablet space? The answer is a resounding yes. Today's Atom offers performance that's competitive with the fastest platforms powering Android- and iOS-based devices, yielding comparable battery life. The SoC itself appears even faster and more responsive thanks to a custom set of drivers. As the next generation of ARM CPUs emerges, so too will we see the next iteration of Atoms."

     

    The Verge was similarly impressed with Clover Trail.
    http://bit.ly/Y5iK1l
    "As soon as I turned on the Smart PC, I was blown away by how quick it was in comparison to Windows RT machines — Clover Trail performs far better than I had expected. Having used the Tegra-powered Surface RT and Samsung’s Ativ Tab fairly extensively, the Smart PC feels like a breath of fresh air. All of Microsoft’s "metro" apps load and run far faster than Windows RT tablets, and running these programs side-by-side never results in slow down."
    19 Jun 2013, 04:03 PM Reply Like
  • Justin Jaynes
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    "**not intel's fault at all, but the OEM's really need to put together some great hardware**. hopefully bay trail/temash get some nice designs that make win8 tabs worthwhile, and not $900"

     

    You have the uncanny ability to ignore certain parts of my conversations to give you grounds for an argument.

     

    I added some **'s for emphasis so you can see that I've already said it's OEMs making bad hardware. Part of my original argument was that Clover Trail tablets are expensive. Can you link to a clover trail tablet that is in the $200-$300 range that has good reviews?

     

    http://cnet.co/13TUnVP

     

    Google nexus 7, 4 star review, $200 price tag.

     

    Can you show me an x86 tablet (Intel or AMD, I don't care which) for $200 and good reviews?
    19 Jun 2013, 07:15 PM Reply Like
  • 10208741
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    Right now none. But with the Baytrail SOCs with silvermont cores, Intel is aiming at $299 tablets. It would be close to unachievable with Windows 8, but with Android there is a chance that it can come close to that.

     

    All Intel needs is a big enough manufacturer like Samsung which it got with Galaxy Tab3. The problem is that the screen resolution is still anemic 1200x800 (which is very much lowend in 2013).

     

    But if rumors about Android KLP are true that it improves android efficiency greatly making even lower end CPUs do things more smoothly, then the Quad core MediaTek A7s can proliferate and swarm the low-end and greatly shrink the high end tablet market.
    20 Jun 2013, 07:36 AM Reply Like
  • Cincinnatus
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    Justin,
    You have the not-so-uncanny ability to dissemble. Here are your quotes again:

     

    "Clover Trail tablets are terrible, so what exactly is this one chess move?"

     

    "THG hated it."

     

    They didn't hate it, and Clover Trail tablets aren't terrible. Those are both false statements. Tom's Hardware Guide didn't like the Acer W510, but that was due to the execution on that particular tablet, and had nothing to do with Clover Trail as you imply, or Clover Trail tablets in general.
    20 Jun 2013, 04:05 PM Reply Like
  • Justin Jaynes
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    THG did infact hate the Acer W510, a clover trail tablet.

     

    In your sentence above you say "They didn't hate it" In the very next sentence "THG didn't like the Acer W510..."

     

    Cinc, I read through your comments, and I know you're capable of logical thought, so feel free to respond to any of my comments and dispute them logically. This is life - people disagree; it's normal. But I chose my words carefully to not misconstrue Clover Trail as being bad. That's why I said "It's not Intel's fault". I read what I had wrote, and corrected it with the statement it's not Intel's fault to ensure relevant, unbiased information was passed.

     

    I said it's not Intel's fault clover trail sucks. W510 would've sucked if it had an AMD APU. But did THG like the Acer W510 or not? Can you show me a clover trail tablet for less than $200 with more than 4 of 5 star review? Intel plans to change that this year - and I would not buy a Clover Trail+ tablet with Bay Trail coming out.

     

    I am finished arguing with you, and will ignore all future comments of yours. Just keep them clean, if you disagree feel free to correct whatever "misinformation" you feel like I present, and I won't hit the report button.
    20 Jun 2013, 04:41 PM Reply Like
  • Cincinnatus
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    Justin,
    Again here are your quotes:
    "Clover Trail tablets are terrible, so what exactly is this one chess move?"

     

    "THG hated it."

     

    The "it" could only refer to Clover Trail. Tablets are plural, and THG didn't hate tablets. They specifically were reviewing the Acer W510 and not all tablets. Also the complaints the reviewer had were with the W510, not Clover Trail and it's misleading to imply such. For example the reviewer didn't like the trackball, but the trackball is a mechanical component that is not part of the Clover Trail SoC.

     

    And it's beside the point of CloverTrail, but to say that the reviewer hated the W510 is your typical attempt at embellishment. The reviewer wrote this on the concluding page:
    "In my original draft of this story, I thought the W510 was two steps away from our highest honor."

     

    So far closer to the truth is the reviewer ended up disliking the W510 for a number of reasons that did not meet expectations on review, and some not even having to do with the W510 itself but Acer's customer support. It's distortion to say the reviewer hated it and no where does the reviewer claim to hate it.
    20 Jun 2013, 05:05 PM Reply Like
  • toonies
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    I want AMD not at 4.7 or 5.0 GHz but at $ 4.7 or better at $ 5.0 in 32 days or better in 28 days.
    12 Jun 2013, 01:12 AM Reply Like
  • ATInsider
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    For desktop performance FX chips Steamroller is not coming in 2013, though I can see AMD pushing them out in early 2014.
    Also I am not happy with this naming scheme. AMD should handle stuck with FX-8570 and FX-8590, and save the name FX-9500's for Steamroller.
    Now what are they going to call the new Steamroller based chips? FX-1050? Will this represent 10-cores?
    12 Jun 2013, 01:50 AM Reply Like
  • Rares
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    @Ashraf Eassa: Yes this is right. And if you oc. i7-3770k @ 5 GHz it'll consume aprox. the same... and Haswell is even worse.
    12 Jun 2013, 03:08 AM Reply Like
  • Justin Jaynes
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    Just so no one is unclear, 5 GHz CPU is great advertisement for AMD's target audience. They target gamers and enthusiasts. AMD is trying to show that they're the best choice for DIY'ers with this.

     

    And AMD is getting power consumption under control

     

    http://bit.ly/13BO9K4

     

    A10-5800k to A10-6800k manages a 300 MHz clock bump at same power consumption, which is pretty decent.
    12 Jun 2013, 09:21 AM Reply Like
  • ash187
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    It's like the netburst days all over again. Except the roles are reversed
    12 Jun 2013, 06:11 AM Reply Like
  • Humble Eagles
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    Well, if the FX8350 is eight cores and rocks up to 4.2Ghz, I am not sure if 5.0 will put them near enough to Intel:
    http://bit.ly/11cZ9Oj
    13 Jun 2013, 09:01 PM Reply Like
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