Boeing (BA +1.3%) looks to be faring better than rival Airbus (EADSY.PK) for the first-half of...

Boeing (BA +1.3%) looks to be faring better than rival Airbus (EADSY.PK) for the first-half of the year. According to the latest data, BA has delivered 169 commercial aircraft in the second-quarter and a total of 306 for the first-half of the year. YTD, 17 787 Dreamliners have been delivered. By contrast, Airbus reports deliveries of 295 commercial aircraft for the year.
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  • thomas85225
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    WOW Boeing has taken back the lead over Airbus by 11 aircrafts


    Last year’s Boeing beat out Airbus by 38 aircrafts in 2012


    With American airline filing for bankruptcy and Southwest delaying its orders of 737 aircraft for four years to conserve capital, Southwest loss $18 million, Southwest blamed the $478 million increase on fuel costs compared to the same quarter last year
    Delta airline and other have delay or cancelled their 18 787 order for aircrafts for several years (2020) and slow the delivery of their 109 737
    Richard Anderson, CEO of the world’s biggest airline in terms of fleet size, is more focused on reliable aircraft performance than fuel economy and more on flight frequency than aircraft size.


    Southwest has delay 30 737 until 2017



    Delta airline had delay it orders of 18 787 until 2020 and slow its delivery of 109 737


    FedEx has delay delivery of 777’s for five years



    American airline has file for bankruptcy with its orders for 460 aircraft order
    260 airbuses A320 and Boeing 200 737


    American airline continue to lose money


    Boeing has been selling aircraft at a discount


    The Airlines are learning when placing order for new aircrafts with Boeing and get Boeing to delivery
    the aircrafts is not the same
    The 787 was start on 3-28-2003 and ten years later Boeing has been delivery 57 aircraft
    3 Jul 2013, 02:55 PM Reply Like
  • thomas85225
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    The 747-8 has sold 111 aircrafts which are 2.04 billion over budget and overweight and has perforce short fall and only 57 aircraft has been delivery


    The 787 was start on 3-28-2003 and ten later Boeing has delivery 57 aircrafts that still make the news and the 2nd ground may happen soon since the 787 is still having problems


    Place the battery in a box is not a fix and there no cooling for the batteries
    Boeing has paid late fee, performances short fee, the lost of profit to airlines grounding to the


    The irony about the A350-900 and others Airbus aircrafts ect is that the parts and subassembly are products in factories once own by Boeing
    Boeing Renton and Everett and only completions center now
    The Airbus A350-900, A320, A330, Kc-30 and A380 are in production
    the 787-10, 777-X, 737Max, Boeing is now makings part for kc-46 which is overweight and 700 million over budget
    Boeing has only sold 8 export kc-767 tanker
    Boeing has yet to file any information with the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC)


    Boeing is laying off and 40% of Boeing workforce will be retiring over the next five years
    Boeing has been selling aircraft below cost
    Boeing has been selling off it manufacturing infrastructure
    In 2005 Boeing sold off Kansas to Onex of Canada and other divison where sold to Vought Aircraft and Triumph Aerostructures


    The Door Production center was sold to France and the passenger to freighter mod center was move to China
    In 1996 Phil connect brought North American aviation from Rockwell, hushes defense and Space and meager with McDonnell (McDonnell bought Douglas in 1967)
    To make Boeing the world biggest aerospace company, but after the 777-200, 737NG and DCAC-MRM that ran over budget by 14 Billions,
    The CFO Deborah Hopkins and Carolyn Corvi i vice president and general manager of 737 and 757 Airplane Production, sold off its manufacturing infrastructure and laid off tens of thousands of workers and adopted Toyota-style lean methods to reshape its assembly lines, and outsourced simpler work. It sold off parts plants, including the largest in Wichita.
    The Boeing Ripoff


    Boeing Cashes in on Corporate Welfare



    Jun 1, 2003 By Greg Beiter and Jeff Moore


    On June 11, the Washington State Legislature offered Boeing a $3.2 billion tax cut to entice the aerospace giant to build its new 7E7 jet in the state. For months, the company has been playing Washington and 21 other states off one another in a race-to-the-bottom effort to secure the largest corporate handout.


    The Boeing Ripoff

    3 Jul 2013, 02:57 PM Reply Like
  • GarryGR
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    There's a lot of hype surrounding the order numbers; it's a top Airbus priority to beat Boeing by all means possible, including “cheating”, if necessary! :) Airbus has successfully used the yearly order races to portray themselves as being much more successful than Boeing, with the business press hyping the numbers, just as Airbus intends. Fortunately for Airbus, there are no independent numbers for the yearly order totals. Airbus won 9 out of 10 yearly order races, in the decade leading up to 2012 but in 2012, Boeing delivered more planes than Airbus did! This is rather confounding to Airbus partisans, who revel in the regular Airbus order victories but then, more often than not, read that Boeing is more successful than Airbus. The Airbus order victories are pyrrhic victories; Airbus has seldom won the important “real” measures of a company’s success, revenue, earnings, Mkt cap, etc., an one of those infrequent times was due to a Boeing union strike.


    How can Airbus have something like a 50% larger order backlog than Boeing, going into 2012 and then deliver fewer planes than Boeing? That order backlog advantage didn’t just happen in 2011; it was built up over the preceding decade. By all normal definitions of orders, you’d rightly expect that Airbus would be delivering far more planes than Boeing, by now.


    The problem with the order numbers, aside from the fact that they are not independent numbers, is that the delivery dates for those orders stretch out for many years with many of the orders not having a specified delivery date at all. Since Airbus has had this massive order backlog advantage for many years now but still has not “crushed” Boeing, as the order numbers would imply, shows quite clearly that the order numbers, in the case of the aircraft business, are not a good measure of success.


    The problem with the order backlog numbers is that there is no reporting of the distribution of the delivery dates in that order backlog, for example, how many of those orders are to be delivered this year, how many next year, etc. I’ve been lobbying for a table of deliveries for each year, for those order backlogs, but I’m told those numbers are not available. I’m sure Airbus wants to keep it that way! :) Without knowing what the delivery distribution is in that order backlog, the order numbers are not meaningful, as the bottom line numbers have illustrated many times in the recent years!


    Airbus and Boeing are both great companies but Airbus is not more successful than Boeing, as the order numbers would have you believe.
    3 Jul 2013, 03:55 PM Reply Like
  • thomas85225
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    That why there watch dog like


    Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC)
    uswww.sec.govOfficial site


    and the press


    Airbus A320neo + Boeing 737MAX - Orders and Commitments


    but airline has discover ordering 787 and 747-8 aircraft from boeing and takeing delivery is not the same
    13 Jul 2013, 09:26 PM Reply Like
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