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Poland has plenty of gas, but hopes it can lead a shale gas boom in Europe are fading fast as...

Poland has plenty of gas, but hopes it can lead a shale gas boom in Europe are fading fast as energy companies say government red tape is delaying commercial output and draft proposals to cut bureaucracy don't go far enough. If shale gas fails to live up to the potential, the chief beneficiary would be Russia's Gazprom, which would continue to be Poland's biggest gas supplier.
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  • machiavelli
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    if? Russia charges 5x what USA natgas costs and it is not a good idea? Guess fracking really does poison the water table.
    5 Jul 2013, 09:08 PM Reply Like
  • Matthew Brown
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    Exactly. Hey! We have plenty of gas but in order to placate ignorant enviro nuts we will sacrifice the future economic and security well being of our country.

     

    Welcome to the advanced stage of leftist debate in 2013.
    5 Jul 2013, 10:06 PM Reply Like
  • machiavelli
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    I'm very left and I am concerned about abandoned wells with leaking casings among other things but there is no doubt that fracking is a superb technology. However, I would prefer them to advance the chemical/sand/water mixtures so that it is non toxic... maybe find a natural bio-degradable substance to substitute for anything that has the potential for poisoning a water supply. If you don't think the environment is a concern here then you can leave out the salutations and skip the debate.
    6 Jul 2013, 01:26 AM Reply Like
  • Matthew Brown
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    Of course the environment is important. The thing is that the far left doesn't even debate using facts anymore. It's all based on emotion largely so they can feel better about themselves. If the argument was based on facts then 99% of proposed natural gas wells would go ahead unopposed.

     

    Unfortunately the eco left doesn't want any fracking,.period. Why? Because the leadership of the eco left knows natural gas is very low cost and very clean that it is a threat to their money losing thought du jour = wind mills.

     

    Also almost all natural gas is very far below the water table. The whole water table thing is a canard. There is the same risks to the water table from fracking as there is with the Oil tankers delivering gas to gas stations every day. If one of them were to get into an accident, spilled all their gasoline in the right spot then it could contanimate a large water supply.

     

    Why don't you see the eco leftists protest highway oil tankers? If you are okay with them existing then there is no logical reason to oppose natural gas fracking. None.
    6 Jul 2013, 08:45 AM Reply Like
  • machiavelli
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    "The thing is that the far left doesn't even debate using facts anymore. It's all based on emotion largely so they can feel better about themselves."

     

    strawman #1... lie #1... I care because I don't want to poison the water table short or long term... I care about people suffering needlessly also which is an emotion I'm proud to have but I'm not so worried about that as much as just having to abandon the idea of using well water because it is poisoned (forever?).

     

    "Unfortunately the eco left doesn't want any fracking,.period. Why? Because the leadership of the eco left knows natural gas is very low cost and very clean that it is a threat to their money losing thought du jour = wind mills."

     

    strawman #2, lie #2... and since these leaders have unlimited money from these losing ventures (logic?) to fund their hordes of enviro freaks it will end all capitalism as we know it (sarcasm)... money wins always if you haven't been paying attention... it is not money that is holding up the debate from the left, rather it is money from the right (from all its oil wealth) it is holding its argument strong and they are not failing. Despite the vast sums of money supporting the side for fracking, people believe there is a concern because the water table has been contaminated in areas of fracking and that is a fact so it is not made up. Whether that is due to extremely low probabilities occurring or lack of oversight is one thing but we also know that long term, abandoned wells still hold toxic fluid and those casings will not last forever. I'm more concerned about the long term consequences.

     

    Also, even though the water table is 1000's of feet above the shale, they have found that different wells (next to each other) have "communicated" after fracking so if that can occur perhaps the rock above it might not be as solid for whatever reason and seepage could occur. The coast of Santa Barbara is dotted with oil from natural seepage so it doesn't sound like it that is an impossibility.

     

    "Oil tankers delivering gas to gas stations every day. If one of them were to get into an accident, spilled all their gasoline in the right spot then it could contanimate a large water supply."

     

    apples and oranges comparison. I am completely unimpressed with your ability to debate and to think you complained about the left's ability to discuss facts makes me think you are ignorant. You might want to read some online debates on this issue before coming here and spouting nonsense.

     

    I'm actually not completely sure about the safety of fracking but I will continue to read and learn about it until I firm up my opinion but both sides have made effective points. I'm just hoping the technology improves to the point where we don't need to have this debate.
    6 Jul 2013, 03:16 PM Reply Like
  • Matthew Brown
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    LOL! Right so you are unsure about the safety of fracking!! At the end of your diatribe containing insults you prove that my thesis is correct. The left argues based only on emotional not facts. I presented facts you presented insults and emotions. A sign of a mind ruled by irrationality. I choose to think rationally. Thanks for proving my point in your response. The lack of self awareness is staggering.
    8 Jul 2013, 07:54 PM Reply Like
  • fairguy
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    it's only a guess though
    5 Jul 2013, 10:50 PM Reply Like
  • SupermanSays
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    fracking is ok where there is not a water table present but if there is they should not frack ...... simple
    6 Jul 2013, 02:03 AM Reply Like
  • Buyandhold 2012
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    I am happy that Poland has gas, but I disagree with fuckoff999 who wrote that "fracking is ok where there is not a water table present." I am opposed to all fracking.
    7 Jul 2013, 09:17 AM Reply Like
  • totalincome46
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    Anyway, Poland is buidling an LNG import terminal and others are planned by their neighbors, so we could export gas as LNG to Poland.
    9 Jul 2013, 12:50 PM Reply Like
  • Matthew Brown
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    Again, thanks for proving my point. cheers
    9 Jul 2013, 12:58 PM Reply Like
  • machiavelli
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    Dude, go buy some more BlackBerry stock. LOL!
    9 Jul 2013, 03:28 PM Reply Like
  • Matthew Brown
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    Sorry I must have really gotten to you for you to stalk me. Please return to your normally miserable life and leave me out of it.
    Ok?
    Many thanks!
    9 Jul 2013, 06:15 PM Reply Like
  • machiavelli
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    Guess my original response was too much some. LOL!
    9 Jul 2013, 09:03 PM Reply Like
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