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Nokia tablet specs reportedly leak; Google blocks YouTube WP app

  • Microsoft-news.com has leaked what it claims are specs for an upcoming Nokia (NOK) Windows RT 8.1 (MSFT) tablet.
  • The device is said to have a 10.1" 1080p display, a Qualcomm Snapdragon 800 CPU, 32GB of storage, and a detachable keyboard/stand. A Sep. launch is "rumored."
  • "Don't do it, Nokia," BGR's Brad Reed advises. Windows RT hardware sales have been ugly, and one major OEM after another has turned its back on the ARM-powered OS, which can't run apps created for Intel/AMD-powered systems. Moreover, companies not named Apple have generally had a rough time selling ~$500 tablets.
  • The Verge reported in July Nokia was working on an RT tablet earlier this year, but cancelled the project to work on a cheap Win. 8 tablet.
  • Meanwhile, Google (GOOG) has blocked a YouTube Windows Phone app built by Microsoft (no Google-made app exists), citing TOU violations. Redmond isn't amused, and has fired off a harsh missive titled "The limits of Google's openness."
  • In the past, Google has justified its lack of WP app development by saying it "will go where the users are." It's also possible Google doesn't want users to go to a rival mobile platform that has Bing as its default search engine.
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  • TruffelPig
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    GOOG getting nervous? Interesting, very interesting.
    16 Aug 2013, 12:18 AM Reply Like
  • J Mintzmyer
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    That's got to be borderline illegal....
    16 Aug 2013, 12:35 AM Reply Like
  • YippySkippy
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    Go Ogle is far over the border, but so far they are getting away with it and see no reason to change their behavior on this or on how they are scanning Gmail users' emails to drive Ad revenue. Beware of the dude who says "trust me" or a company claiming to "do no evil".
    16 Aug 2013, 10:34 AM Reply Like
  • DWD Investing
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    I lost a lot of respect for Google in the last half a decade. The only thing they are open with is your information. Blocking Microsoft APPs? that's got to be a lawsuit. However, people can still access YT with the browser.

     

    This is just one reason I think apps are stupid compared to an access everything browser, for free. I mean in the infancy of smart phones they made sense, but with tablets and large screen phones, it's not really an issue anymore.

     

    Apps point you in one direction. Browsers allow you to go any direction.
    16 Aug 2013, 01:29 PM Reply Like
  • Matthew Davis
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    This is what people don't understand when I show them my Surface RT...I open a website and its full and complete and they ask me where to get that app...and I attempt to explain to them its just Internet Explorer...and they just look dumbfounded.

     

    I see a lot of articles say ohhh ahhh google doesn't have a youtube app on Windows RT or Windows Phone...its doesn't need it! I just go to the website!
    16 Aug 2013, 02:57 PM Reply Like
  • LYogi
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    Time to jump ship if you are long NOK.

     

    It's going the way of Palm
    16 Aug 2013, 12:43 AM Reply Like
  • flybywire54
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    LYogi

     

    I would jump ship if I were long Google instead
    16 Aug 2013, 01:34 AM Reply Like
  • Matthew Davis
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    Nokia is going the way of palm, how so, by doubling market share Q/Q?

     

    Good one.
    16 Aug 2013, 10:40 AM Reply Like
  • techy46
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    The mobile device wars are not over, they're just beginning. Remember when CompuAdd and Sears Business Centers were the top two PC sellers? It's going to be a lot different once the devices are commodities and it's function and price vs hype and glam Nokia still got a shot a being a major player. Take a look at Lenovo selling more smart phones in China then Apple.
    16 Aug 2013, 12:42 PM Reply Like
  • techy46
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    Nokia needs to bring out a 7" phablet for $300-400 not an 10" device.
    16 Aug 2013, 12:42 PM Reply Like
  • DWD Investing
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    They need both. Corporate and business users, like us, would use the 10".
    16 Aug 2013, 01:30 PM Reply Like
  • mitrado
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    If you want to jump ship, I'll give you $3.5 for each of your $NOK shares.
    19 Aug 2013, 05:08 AM Reply Like
  • flybywire54
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    Google really ?
    Next I expect MFST to block Google search engine on any Windows OS (XP,7 ,8) . I would but does Ballmer have the balls for that ? Then Larry Page can start looking for another job while Google share price collapses . They are pretty much a one trick pony living on adds
    16 Aug 2013, 12:49 AM Reply Like
  • Stock Market Mike
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    They already did that. IE7 had no Google Search on the search providers page that it sends you to, making it near impossible to change back without extensive work-arounds. (like installing cruddy software like Google Toolbar) Upon upgrading from IE7 to IE8 (where there is no longer such behaviour), if Google is detected as the default search provider, it would often announce that your search providers list had been corrupted, and insert Bing as the one and only default search. Luckily in IE8, you can re-add Google quite easily.

     

    MSFT also now pushes Bing with every Skype update. Skype is very popular, but I hear of nothing but complaints about Microsoft changing people's homepages and default search on them... (Yes, I know you just untick the tickboxes... *sigh*)

     

    To be honest, I'm surprised Microsoft hasn't been sued for their tomfoolery. At this point I regard all Google vs Microsoft behaviour as retaliatory. They're bitter rivals locked in war... their actions against each other no longer alter my opinion of either of them. I've come to expect both of them to be trying to screw each other.

     

    What has the world come to?
    16 Aug 2013, 01:46 AM Reply Like
  • flybywire54
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    StockMarketMike

     

    Are you sure ?Well on my windows 8 touch screen laptop Metro UI I have a google app (tile) that directs me to Google search . It is in Windows 8 store . Haven't tried to put IE default page to Google in desktop , I use Bing most of the time , but if I type http://www.google.com URL , it works .
    16 Aug 2013, 02:05 AM Reply Like
  • cereal
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    @StockMarketMike

     

    Adobe updates for the past few years will automatically install Chrome. Yes, I know you just untick the tickboxes... *sigh*
    16 Aug 2013, 02:43 AM Reply Like
  • Stock Market Mike
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    flybywire54: I said IE8, not windows 8. ;) Win8 is already on IE10, which seems to have "fixed" the search provider list corruption. ;P

     

    cereal: You wouldn't believe the number of people that were upset with Chrome showing up as their default browser. I think that must be why it now installs as a secondary browser, and then you have to start it up and click the 'set as default' button. I haven't heard as many complaints since they made that change.

     

    The Skype annoyance is ongoing. Those dastardly tickboxes - always hiding in plain sight!
    16 Aug 2013, 10:20 AM Reply Like
  • Matthew Davis
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    I use bing for rewards, where else can you get $5 gift cards for using a search?
    16 Aug 2013, 10:42 AM Reply Like
  • mr wonder
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    Microsoft could also copy Google's way of making revenues on advertisements?
    16 Aug 2013, 10:43 AM Reply Like
  • russellm454
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    Who wants that? Just because it can be done doesn't make it the right thing to do for consumers. I despise Google for acting like everyone's friend but in the background sucking as much info on what you do and who you are. It's unethical and dishonest.
    16 Aug 2013, 11:16 AM Reply Like
  • mr wonder
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    @ Russellm454

     

    I don't see how selling advertisements is unethical and dishonest.
    It just has two advantages.
    By having revenues coming from advertisements, Microsoft is able to lower its selling price of WP. The same could Nokia do for HERE maps.
    Microsoft and Nokia could make a free edition (which allow advertisements just like Android/ Google maps) and a payable edition (without advertisements). This might increase revenues, grow the WP ecosystem significantly and take some wind out of the sails of Google.

     

    Just some thoughts :)
    16 Aug 2013, 11:59 AM Reply Like
  • DWD Investing
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    Yeah, and the fact they are a search engine relying on adds means they should welcome any app that points in their direction.

     

    "Blocked Microsoft's You Tube App." LOL

     

    Don't get too stupid Google.
    16 Aug 2013, 01:32 PM Reply Like
  • DWD Investing
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    Stock,

     

    MS never "blocked" Google. It's very easy to access Google search engine using IE. You go to the URL box or the search box and type "google." Then you set your home page for that Google page.

     

    Better yet, don't use IE or Chrome. Use Firefox.
    16 Aug 2013, 01:33 PM Reply Like
  • flybywire54
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    Stockmarket

     

    I know it is IE10 by now but that was not my point . My point was that Microsoft does not really try to block Google Search engine .
    16 Aug 2013, 02:18 PM Reply Like
  • Matthew Davis
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    See above...MS needs to pen the slogan..."You don't need an app for that...its right here."
    16 Aug 2013, 02:59 PM Reply Like
  • Matthew Davis
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    @dwdallam

     

    see, they don't get it...they've been programmed by Android; addicted to apps...if its not an app version then its no good!

     

    People don't get what they are missing, its hilarious that Android users must use apps just to access ebay, amazon, youtube all separately, when I have them open on my web browser at once in my RT...its sad.
    16 Aug 2013, 03:02 PM Reply Like
  • mr wonder
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    @ madav1138

     

    Agree. The whole app hype, running the show for Google and Apple is greatly exaggerated. Soon smartphones are capable of doing the same things as tablets, ultrabooks or pc's. Running Windows (Pro) on your smartphone, paired with a 1080p display, making it possible to connect it with any monitor or any other device (keyboard) you like. Soon apps as well as ecosystems become irrelevant. Every device shall be able to just access and consume information, data, media on the good old ecosystem called Internet.
    16 Aug 2013, 04:07 PM Reply Like
  • russellm454
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    Wasn't talking about advertisements.
    18 Aug 2013, 10:13 AM Reply Like
  • russellm454
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    Been trying to get people to understand that for a long time.
    18 Aug 2013, 10:16 AM Reply Like
  • SquareHead
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    Flyby is right. Google gave Microsoft a loaded gun and dared them to shoot. Google will probably claim anti-trust against MS if they block Google search. MS will probably lose the case and a lot of customer's good will. MS will look like the bad guy. Google may be looking for some concession from MS. It could be something completely unrelated to Youtube.

     

    I find it hard to believe that anyone will be interested in a $500 RT tablet. I would not even put that on the market. I would be very interested in a Haswell based tablet based on Win8 if they can come in at a cost more reasonable than Surface. I played with a Surface at the MS Store and it is awesome, just over priced.
    16 Aug 2013, 01:30 AM Reply Like
  • Stock Market Mike
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    NOK should wait for those new Atom chips that are in the works, and then blow everyone away with a sub-$400 model. I'd buy that!

     

    Well actually, I'd prefer to buy an awesome Netbook - toss in a touchscreen and call it a tablet if you wish. The touchscreen would be useful for Angry Birds, I'm sure, which automatically increases the price that people will pay for the device by $50-100. :P

     

    (That's only slight hyperbole. It seems that every iPad owner I know has Angry Birds and enjoys playing it... it does seem to be a factor in purchasing the iPad.)
    16 Aug 2013, 01:49 AM Reply Like
  • flybywire54
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    SquareHead

     

    Thank you . On the legal side there are quite a number of search engines besides Google and Bing , so blocking Google search ONLY might not infringe antitrust law but then am not a legal expert . On the practical side for sure that move would be disapproved by many Microsoft customers , if not by myself .
    On Nokia RT tablet , if 500$ nobody will buy . 300$ or say 350$ with kb maybe . Fully agree on Surface pro , too costly and battery life , otherwise excellent product .
    16 Aug 2013, 01:53 AM Reply Like
  • cereal
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    RT tablets like the Surface RT are $350 normally

     

    ($300 for this
    ASUS VivoTab RT TF600T-B1 10.1" 32GB Wi-Fi Windows 8 Tablet with Keyboard Dock http://bit.ly/16Touyy)
    16 Aug 2013, 02:48 AM Reply Like
  • Copious28
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    "completely unrelated" - goog is the only android player (the owner) not paying royalties to msft. I'm sure there are other things as well.
    16 Aug 2013, 06:04 AM Reply Like
  • AdamCB1
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    Google is paying a small fortune to MSFT for Android. Apple is paying a huge chunk to Nokia. Please use Google once in a while.
    16 Aug 2013, 07:37 AM Reply Like
  • YippySkippy
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    Really? How much is Go Ogle paying exactly? I have not heard that. I have read about how implementers of handsets with a version of Adnoid have agreed to pay a licensing fee for the patent areas that Go Ogle infringes. I believe that Samsung does this, but have never heard that The UnEvil one pays anything.
    16 Aug 2013, 10:40 AM Reply Like
  • Matthew Davis
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    @Squarehead I bought the RT at $500, and while I would have loved to have bought it for $350, I don't regret it because its something I enjoy to use and it blows the iPad out of the water in terms of actual function.

     

    Ok so I can't run x86 apps, but this is a tablet, not a laptop that overheats or dies in a couple years. I have office with outlook for free and the store apps and games are more than adequate. If someone won't buy a device simply because it doesn't have an app they love is asinine, and are lazy to not find an alternative.
    16 Aug 2013, 10:47 AM Reply Like
  • Matthew Davis
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    The iPad is an overpriced YouTube player. That's all I ever see people using t for.

     

    Also for seeking alpha there is a really horrible mobile app for iPad, while I can enjoy SA entirely on IE on my surface rt.
    16 Aug 2013, 10:49 AM Reply Like
  • russellm454
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    EXACTLY the Surface RT is light years above the iPad. I challenge anyone to use both for a month. If done with no bias they'll never look at another iPad.
    16 Aug 2013, 11:22 AM Reply Like
  • DeCuir
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    There is a Seeking Alpha app for The Windows Phone. It's pretty good and very handy to read when on the road and I cant fire up my LT.
    16 Aug 2013, 12:46 PM Reply Like
  • Matthew Davis
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    Yes but imagine having to use that app on a 10 inch iPad...its useless!
    16 Aug 2013, 01:08 PM Reply Like
  • AdamCB1
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    Motorola (Owned by Google), HTC and Samsung all pay a large sum to MSFT but you are correct that it is the phone provider paying the sum.
    19 Aug 2013, 08:15 AM Reply Like
  • flybywire54
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    If that Nokia tablet story is true and if the tablet is significantly cheaper then Surface RT , with Nokia international distribution network and the myriad of Nokia apps , It could sell . Questions are , price first , and then will Microsoft let Nokia compete on lower price with their surface RT ?
    We will know in September .
    16 Aug 2013, 01:32 AM Reply Like
  • Zorro Trades
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    lets just hope that these leaked specs are the specs of Nokias canceled RT that was leaked last month
    16 Aug 2013, 02:05 AM Reply Like
  • alukro
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    So I'm actually wondering if this is a bad thing for NOK if they do go with RT? I mean their hardware is really good, so they just need software to match it.
    16 Aug 2013, 02:27 AM Reply Like
  • Huda
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    RT is a fine OS. I own the Surface RT and like RT very much, much better than iOS (iPad 2 and mini) and Android (Samsung Galaxy Tab).

     

    The only issue I have so far with the Surface RT is performance. Nokia will solve this with the Snapdragon 800 CPU, assuming the rumored spec is true.

     

    With a price that is interesting to budget minded consumers I think RT tablets can become a hit. Personally I think it will.
    16 Aug 2013, 05:23 AM Reply Like
  • gwynfryn
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    I was wondering who they'd sold it to!
    16 Aug 2013, 09:44 AM Reply Like
  • DWD Investing
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    I thought Windows RT was DEAD?
    16 Aug 2013, 01:43 PM Reply Like
  • Basbasics
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    Nok is known for developing loads of apps, and pushing third party developers on wp8. They may be able to pull the same trick on winRT, and instantly become,the monopoly provider of this kind of machine. WinRT, and SurfaceRT are not actually bad products, just severely limited by app availability. Given the automatic safe environment that ARM and locked windows environment provides, this could be an amazing business machine provided that it becomes more enterprise friendly and gets more apps. Nok can provide both. This is an interesting gamble.
    16 Aug 2013, 05:08 AM Reply Like
  • ted lujan
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    Since young people seem to want smart phones with increased screen size, why not just make a smart phone with tablet sized screens. they would have to be priced where younger persons could afford them. some thing that college students would find handy to use with their studies and recreation.
    16 Aug 2013, 10:27 AM Reply Like
  • Matthew Davis
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    The next rumor we will hear is Nokia is making a gaming console!
    16 Aug 2013, 10:53 AM Reply Like
  • toraji
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    I think the idea of a tablet with Nokia build quality is awesome and will attract many people. Although I love the RT that I own next to my Pro I am afraid that the RT version will be burned by the media again as they did with the Surface RT. Unless the really price it sharply and with unbeatable specs versus price.....

     

    to be continued I guess......
    16 Aug 2013, 11:40 AM Reply Like
  • mitrado
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    These tactics by Google will earn them nothing but enemies. I used to love Google and nowadays I'm starting to replace Google for Bing and I'm also considering leaving GMail for Yahoo.

     

    What's the point in being faithful to a company that doesn't allow me to use its services unless i do exactly what they want?

     

    What if Microsoft blocked Skype in Android and forced Google to recode it in Prolog or Cobol? That would be funny, to say the least.
    19 Aug 2013, 05:08 AM Reply Like
  • AdamCB1
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    If anyone can pull off and get people excited by RT it's Nokia. I really like RT and think it will be a survivor as the app increase and w/ Nokia tech behind it.
    19 Aug 2013, 08:01 AM Reply Like
  • Matthew Davis
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    Nokia exclusives are very good on the WP8 and will be even better on a tablet because of the expanded capability.
    19 Aug 2013, 09:07 AM Reply Like
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