65K BlackBerry World apps come from two developers


A developer known as S4BB is responsible for over 48K of the apps found in the BlackBerry World (BBRY) app store. Meanwhile, a developer known as Mippin is responsible for another 17K+ apps (largely RSS feeds of sites).

BerryReview's Ronen Halevy on S4BB's app-publishing binge: "These apps are actually borderline legitimate apps though they are really stretching the definition of an 'app.' They offer different content in a similar wrapper ... I actually wonder how many ... have ever been purchased or downloaded."

Thorsten Heins proclaimed in May the number of apps available via BlackBerry World had topped 120K. Even if that figure has seen some moderate growth since then, S4BB and Mippin could still be responsible for 40%-50% of BlackBerry World apps.

In an effort to stoke BB10 app development, and narrow the huge leads held by iOS/Android with regards to available apps, BlackBerry has been promising $10K payouts for BB10 apps that yield at least $1K in sales.

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  • LYogi
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    I have about 10 apps and that is more than enough for my needs.

     

    This race for bragging rights to the most apps is a form of macho ridiculousism
    21 Aug 2013, 06:59 PM Reply Like
  • CGT77
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    Same here, no more than 15 for all my needs! And it's quite ample!
    21 Aug 2013, 10:24 PM Reply Like
  • Abu Bakr Hussain
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    I just counted. I have 94 apps on my Nokia (excluding Nokia specific apps). I could probably delete about 15 of those no problem. I would love another 15 or so apps which are available on Android.
    More apps let us do more things. Where WP fails is not in "core" apps, but in niche apps. For example, it is common these days for specific stores to have their own apps, typically they are on iOS first, than Android. Name a railway company anywhere in the world (for example), chances are it has an app, chances are its not a WP app.
    The problem though for Blackberry is, it doesn't even have the core apps.
    Blackberry had a great chance and it does me no pleasure in seeing a company fail. But Blackberry has failed. Time to move on.
    22 Aug 2013, 08:08 AM Reply Like
  • oneinfiniteloop
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    @Abu Bakr Hussain, can you please name a few apps that you consider in the core category that are not available on BB10? Also, are those currently available on Android? (I have side loaded Netflix - I don't ever use it but it now works nicely on the current leaked version of BB10 - 10.2.0.1047). You have Kindle running on BB10, I can run SoundCloud, Flipboard, Instagram, Facebook Home Launcher, etc.

     

    There is currently a site called bb10bars.net which gives you both the .bar files and a .bar Installer for both Mac and PC which can upload practically any Android App on a BB10 phone. There is also another website SideSwype which allows you to load those Android .bar files Over The Air!

     

    Here is the link to bb10bars.net:
    http://bb10bars.net
    There is no cost involved in downloading and installing those .bar files.

     

    Here is the link to SideSwype:
    http://bit.ly/1d7nFqv

     

    SideSwype charges you a small fee for downloading and installing apps over the air:
    The pricing for credits is as follows: 10 Install Credits: $0.99, 25 Install Credits: $2.99, 60 Install Credits: $4.99.
    22 Aug 2013, 08:38 AM Reply Like
  • KIA Investment Research
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    LYogi, you seem to be using your meditative powers to totally ignore the gravity of this report.

     

    This is a big poke-in-the-eye to BlackBerry and will have an impact on the stock.

     

    It makes BlackBerry look desperate and dishonest.
    21 Aug 2013, 07:10 PM Reply Like
  • LYogi
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    There is no gravity to the report if you don't need more than 65k apps amigo.
    21 Aug 2013, 07:26 PM Reply Like
  • KIA Investment Research
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    You are kidding right?

     

    I'll tell you what it looks like and why BlackBerry's stock will take a drubbing tomorrow.

     

    BlackBerry, in an effort to boost App Store numbers did knowingly enter into a relationship with two developers to dishonestly represent the completeness and/or developer support of said app store; all the while knowing that the quality and usefulness of these 10's of thousands of apps would be incredibly poor.
    21 Aug 2013, 07:35 PM Reply Like
  • LYogi
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    You are making a bunch if assumptions. That quality is poor. Also thus news came out earlier today while market was open.

     

    The bottom line for the SP is how much are the company's patents truly worth to other players. That more than anything will determine the offer price.
    21 Aug 2013, 07:39 PM Reply Like
  • KIA Investment Research
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    "You are making a bunch if assumptions. That quality is poor."

     

    Incorrect!
    " BerryReview noted that the first 20 to 30 apps by the developer are decent, while the rest are basically useless. Many are audiobooks or city guides, things many users might not deem as an actual app. " http://on.barrons.com/...
    21 Aug 2013, 07:41 PM Reply Like
  • Seppo Sahrakorpi
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    So, we have 55% apps that are fluff, and majority of the rest are already known to be poor quality 10 minute Android ports. While TH, the CEO, himself is advertising this crap w/o blinking an eye.

     

    In other words, BBRY is and was so desperate to get the apps numbers up, that they completely forfeited their quality control. Storm, Storm 2, PB anyone?

     

    And this is a company selling its products based on business-like, professional, security, etc keywords. I see a mismatch here...
    21 Aug 2013, 07:46 PM Reply Like
  • LYogi
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    The only mismatch is the valuation of the company due to the lack of a full suite of apps after only 6 months of the platform being launched.
    21 Aug 2013, 07:59 PM Reply Like
  • Seppo Sahrakorpi
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    BBRY's main selling point is security, in other words they sell 'trust me'. Now the CEO has been (again) found deceiving their customers pants down...
    21 Aug 2013, 08:45 PM Reply Like
  • Davidoff
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    Seppo,

     

    I don't think that you're 100% right. Trust and security aren't the same things. These apps are just worthless and useless, but they don't represent any threat to the phone security, unlike some apps that you could find on Android store.

     

    The issue is that people want "more" apps. They just want an astronomical number, even though you don't download more than ~20 apps per device. So companies don't have any choice, besides accepting all the trash. They are all doing it. And of course, you obviously can't provide 1m high-quality apps for each store.
    21 Aug 2013, 09:01 PM Reply Like
  • Stock Market Mike
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    I'd be surprised if there were 15,000 GOOD apps on any platform. Most are bug filled garbage.

     

    Agreed, people want "more". A higher number is better, right?
    21 Aug 2013, 10:28 PM Reply Like
  • marktuthdr2
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    You have a point, but I think you are overstating it. BBRY has most all of the apps that people normally want, from what I hear, and that gap continues to narrow, from what I hear. So any hocus pocus lateral to this will be sorted out and generally ignored, ultimately, b/c the apps that don't matter much, don't matter much. This may hurt the stock short term, but not long term, as long as the phones have the apps most people want, which they apparently do. If people actually try this phone out, or find out most of what it can do, then so many of them will buy it, then BBRY will be a big time player again. Mr. Knowitall, you know this, unless you are not really familiar with the new line of BBRY phones. The conundrum is, how does BBRY get more people to learn about what their new phones can do, and get them to the point of putting their money down? They haven't done well at this so far, and must do better, for them to be adequately successful. I am long, and not ashamed to admit it. I hope I am not ashamed of it 6-12 mo from now. Smile.
    21 Aug 2013, 10:40 PM Reply Like
  • daugherty
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    Riiiiiiiiiiight. The expression you're looking for is "shareholder lawsuit".
    21 Aug 2013, 11:40 PM Reply Like
  • Frank Siedler
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    Well, if you judge BlackBerry, you should have also a look on the other appstores. How many garbage apps are there?! I think, it's a problem of every appstore.
    And i think, people are thinking about which app they want to use, well I'm doing so. I have about 5 apps running and don't need tons of apps. Not in the BlackBerry World, not in other appstores. And think about the pressure of the people, which want appstores, which have thousands of apps. Is that good? No! With that opinion the quality of every appstore is sinking!
    22 Aug 2013, 02:23 AM Reply Like
  • Randal James
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    Frank,

     

    Without being intentional, you may have stumbled upon one of BlackBerry's weaknesses. Kids use apps. Students. Families who swap videos and pictures back and forth. And while Samsung and Apple have far more zombie apps than BBRY and NOK, they do have all the killer apps. If there are a hundred 'most popular' apps, the list didn't begin with the ones from BBRY.

     

    But it is like the fascination with the QWERTY keyboard. Lots of users like it. The vast majority of cellphone customers could care less or prefer the big screen. Blackberry has a very popular set of phones. Unfortunately, the slice of the pie in which that popularity resides is small.

     

    I don't think much of apps myself and would never whine about missing one. But if, for some unexplained reason my GF couldn't check into FB from her phone, the world would stop spinning. I understand that isn't an app, but you know how people are about their toys.
    22 Aug 2013, 02:42 AM Reply Like
  • Barrator
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    http://bit.ly/1dv7Hot
    22 Aug 2013, 03:38 AM Reply Like
  • Frank Siedler
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    @Randal James
    Well, what are the killer apps? What do they need? I think, some of the killer apps are in the BlackBerry World like WhatsApp. I'm not involved what these kids need. I use BBM, Facebook, Twitter, Soundhound, WhatsApp, a barcodescanner sometimes. I think the kids are using much games. Well there are some good in the store, too. But if you want all, well, there we have a "problem" ;-)
    22 Aug 2013, 06:09 AM Reply Like
  • oneinfiniteloop
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    You conveniently side stepped LYogi's point that the news was out when the market opened yesterday :)

     

    Also, you see such apps on all other platforms - technically these are apps - if you check user comments a couple of folks from Polland got offended when some folks called out some of those maps as being from irrelevant places!

     

    So you see, you may not have value for those apps but there are people in some parts of the world that find them useful.

     

    I won't stop your party of rejoicing about so called "frivolous" apps.
    22 Aug 2013, 08:44 AM Reply Like
  • LYogi
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    The market sure is pounding BBRY today due to this inexcusable 'deception'.

     

    Long

     

    And getting longer.
    22 Aug 2013, 10:53 AM Reply Like
  • Seppo Sahrakorpi
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    @LYogi

     

    "Long

     

    And getting longer. "

     

    TH's nose?
    22 Aug 2013, 11:01 AM Reply Like
  • oneinfiniteloop
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    Lately, it looks like it is the shorts whose noses are getting longer :)
    22 Aug 2013, 11:16 AM Reply Like
  • LYogi
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    You got a like from.me Seppo!
    22 Aug 2013, 11:44 AM Reply Like
  • Seppo Sahrakorpi
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    :)
    22 Aug 2013, 11:51 AM Reply Like
  • KIA Investment Research
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    Thanks for the link Barrator

     

    "According to Bloomberg, if a firm acquired all of BlackBerry, it would be stuck with an "essentially worthless" phone unit that could cost $800 million to shut down.

     

    With a current market cap of $5.26 billion, the total cost of acquiring BlackBerry could be close to $6 billion."
    22 Aug 2013, 01:58 PM Reply Like
  • gchaput
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    I have had my new Q10 since June and I am missing ZERO apps. I have all the apps I need and more. Of course, my device is used for communications (phone, text, email) and for information (internet browser) and is not a toy. The Q10 is a far superior device than my Samsung Android which I dumped even if it had half the contract unexpired. In my view, critics of the BBRY are generally looking for a toy that is not principally used for communications & information.

     

    The critic wrote that the apps are borderline legitimate; well I say tens of thousands of apps available for Samsung & iPhone are are borderline useless.
    21 Aug 2013, 07:13 PM Reply Like
  • KIA Investment Research
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    You may be missing zero apps, but you're also missing the point ;-)
    21 Aug 2013, 07:19 PM Reply Like
  • gchaput
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    You may be missing my point. MY POINT: if you have a great device that does all you need in communications and information research, why do you want a million apps? Games - you got to be kidding. Is that what life is about - playing games on a hand-held device? How many apps do you use? have you used a thousand apps yet?
    21 Aug 2013, 07:55 PM Reply Like
  • mikebator
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    Actually there is a pick up line app and one that looks like you are finishing a beer. I guess those iToy apps are very productive and not boarder line trash, if not in fact garbage. Please have you seen some of the crap in Play and iTunes?

     

    At least they were selling data services targeted at different demographics. And kudos to creating a solid pattern that allowed them reached those markets.

     

    iBeer anyone?
    21 Aug 2013, 09:49 PM Reply Like
  • CGT77
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    I own a Q10 too and I love it! And just for the fun of it, I downloaded Angry Birds and Ice Age Village and they work just fine, plus FB and Twitter, TV shows, enough to entertain any kid for hours. I've got live sports scores, gas prices, Songza, Sports Tracker... all work fine, and I'm sure my BB is right up there with the apps my daughter has on her iPhone.
    22 Aug 2013, 09:17 AM Reply Like
  • ELLAS
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    65K is nothing compared to the 100+K Android & iOS apps that are useless.
    What I care about is quality apps regardless of platform.
    BBRY needs to concentrate on high quality native BB10 Apps. They should also develop a way to allow BB10 to use Android apps, where BB10 devices connect to Googles App store. BB10 would then do the rest and ensure there is no malware threat.

     

    They've opened up BBM to other platforms, and it's been quite evident and FACT that BB10 is superior than anything in the market to date, with respect to apps, so allowing BB10 to use Android apps would be a win win for people looking to dump Android in favour for BB10, and a benefit to current BB10 owners.

     

    Agree? I do...
    21 Aug 2013, 07:14 PM Reply Like
  • KIA Investment Research
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    ELLAS, you too are ignoring the real point.
    I'll help; the point isn't the number of crummy apps, it's the number (near 60,000) that are by the same two "developers"

     

    This is very dishonest on BlackBerry's part, and is going to come back to bite them hard.
    21 Aug 2013, 07:22 PM Reply Like
  • Davidoff
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    Mr. Knowitall,

     

    What did you expect, TH saying something like I've got one good and one bad news, by which should I start? There is growth, but who'd admit that over 40% of their Apps is a complete scam? That strategy seems to work for iOS and Android stores. No one cares about trash apps, as long as they aren't malware and the official apps are available. BBRY got screwed with their $10k offer, it was completely predictable. $10k would only interest a tiny independent low budget company. But I don't think that BBRY was dishonest in any way, even though it certainly will bite them.
    21 Aug 2013, 07:42 PM Reply Like
  • richardphoenix
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    Your point is valid Mr know it all, but you are over estimating the real impact of this. The bottom line is that BlackBerry has most the apps it needs.

     

    They do need to continue to develop apps and better android apps. They also could release their own app bundle for iOS and android markets. (BBM, keyboard, Hub and time shift for the camera would be tough but awesome). They need to gain mind share right now and that can be accomplished by get their software in the hands of more people on more devices.

     

    Perhaps the pending strategic change will give them all the direction and exposure they need. Don't underestimate the intellectual property or their brand presence under the right circumstances. There are people at amzn, dell, IBM, lenova, msft, goog, etc who are should seriously consider how all their assets can be leveraged.

     

    The latest headline does not change that.
    21 Aug 2013, 07:45 PM Reply Like
  • KIA Investment Research
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    You BlackBerry apologists are in unusual form on this one!

     

    Again, it's not about crummy apps, it's that BlackBerry knowing let two developers develop 60,000 crap apps in order that their app store would look successful.

     

    You can keep spinning the 'fart app' story, but the rest of the market won't be fooled.
    21 Aug 2013, 07:48 PM Reply Like
  • Davidoff
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    Mr. Knowitall,

     

    Ok, it's not just about BBRY, after this blow, articles are going to expose all the App stores. Put a research in AppStore, you'll see a lot of same developer names, unfinished apps, audiobooks, ebooks, guides, some cheat code apps (whatever it is), tutorials, cheap games,... Basically, it's not just BBRY, all the companies are in the same boat here. They all try to artificially blow their numbers. When I bought the first iPhone I could barely find any apps and most of them where scam. Same thing with iPad 1 a couple of years later. You're just overreacting here. And at this point, an App Store can't make things any worse for a company in BBRY's position.
    21 Aug 2013, 07:55 PM Reply Like
  • gchaput
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    Hey Knowitall, how many apps have the top two app producers done for Apple? and for Android? 130,000 maybe? What difference does it make who produces the app, pray-tell.
    21 Aug 2013, 07:57 PM Reply Like
  • KIA Investment Research
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    "Basically, it's not just BBRY, all the companies are in the same boat here. "

     

    I highly doubt that, and in fact don't believe it.
    Neither Apple nor Google would allow such a gross abuse of their app submission system. They don't have to employ deceit to pump their app counts.
    21 Aug 2013, 08:02 PM Reply Like
  • Davidoff
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    Mr. Knowitall,

     

    Amazing... Well, either you've never used Android or iOS stores, which is very unlikely, or at least '09-'11 versions, either you're just completely biased. Just recently, students from Georgia Insitute of Technology submitted a fake malware app to the AppStore without any problems. How do you explain that?

     

    http://bit.ly/184wJFf

     

    "Apple ran the app for only a few seconds, before ultimately approving it. That wasn’t anywhere near long enough to discover Jekyll’s deceitful nature."
    21 Aug 2013, 08:10 PM Reply Like
  • marktuthdr2
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    If you were asked under oath, Mr. Knowitall, would you admit that you are shorting BBRY stock? You certainly sound like you are.
    21 Aug 2013, 10:40 PM Reply Like
  • Stock Market Mike
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    Mr. Knowitall:

     

    You've got your head in the sky. All the app stores are bad. I was searching for a security camera app (for IP cams) on Android - the first four apps that I loaded weren't anything to do with security cameras, despite the reviews. One had nothing but a big ad, and the three others had ads with a google search box. All made by different developers, all useless crap. I also searched out free eBooks and got loads and loads of unrelated crap. Finally I went to my PC and used Google to look up the names of good apps, because the Play store was filled with junk and its search returned almost nothing but trash.

     

    60k somewhat useful single-purpose apps? Fine. Whatever. At least they do what they claim to do. Better to consolidate the apps into one, but not essential, especially when stupid customers base whether they buy your phone on that number.
    21 Aug 2013, 10:57 PM Reply Like
  • daugherty
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    Not dishonest? Denial much?
    21 Aug 2013, 11:40 PM Reply Like
  • Seppo Sahrakorpi
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    @MrK

     

    Regarding allowing c**p apps, e.g. in WP store, any developer is limited to submitting max 100 free apps per year:
    http://bit.ly/14F2h3i
    21 Aug 2013, 11:57 PM Reply Like
  • KIA Investment Research
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    marktuthdr,

     

    You got me!
    Under oath I direct you to look at my profile!
    22 Aug 2013, 12:59 AM Reply Like
  • KIA Investment Research
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    Thanks Seppo for that little bit of digging.
    I think the market will be judging BlackBerry very harsh tomorrow as I am now.

     

    Oh, the longs will complain how it's all a US conspiracy, or some other nonsense, or how all app stores have poor quality apps (or some other misdirection), but the inescapable fact is that BlackBerry was complacent in this deception, and Mr. Market's got going to be buying any of these lame excuses/misdirection.
    22 Aug 2013, 01:06 AM Reply Like
  • Frank Siedler
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    @Mr. Knowitall
    Perhaps BlackBerry is judged, how you call it. But all i read here from you is bashing BlackBerry. And you wrote often "you missed the point". Perhaps you should look at other options and think about, before you write something like that, because they are right, too. So many appstores are filled with garbage, but people like big appstores. Or do you think, with an amount of apps like in the android marketplace, that are all quality apps? I must laugh :-)
    22 Aug 2013, 02:42 AM Reply Like
  • Barrator
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    http://bit.ly/1bVt2Wz
    22 Aug 2013, 03:37 AM Reply Like
  • Forj
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    I think the $10k bonus was tied to actual app sales. Assuming certain apps are junk, no bonus would have been paid.
    22 Aug 2013, 09:07 AM Reply Like
  • CGT77
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    If the end result is that BB has the main apps and they are good... who is going to care... truly...
    22 Aug 2013, 09:16 AM Reply Like
  • rclarke7
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    How much more garbage can the media dig up.? Gee, if this was a report that another phone had these 48,000 apps from one developer the stock would skyrocket. Are the other phones mostly top notch apps. Let's see. 700,000 apps, less than 1% of any quality. I think i'll go with BlackBerry, no brainer.
    21 Aug 2013, 07:14 PM Reply Like
  • Randal James
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    Depends on how much was buried, no?
    22 Aug 2013, 02:44 AM Reply Like
  • Ajayyy
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    "BlackBerry has been promising $10K payouts for BB10 apps that yield at least $1K in sales."

     

    Such sales tactics haven't worked for Microsoft, what makes them think it will for BB.
    21 Aug 2013, 07:14 PM Reply Like
  • the_value_vulture
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    Unless you are completely oblivious, the media/analyst bashing since the strategic alternative announcement has been primarily directed to open up shares for shorts to cover.

     

    On another note those that;

     

    A) think they company is going to be taken or sold for 15 to 20 a share
    B) think blackberry will recover and continue as a going concern w/o going private

     

    Are in complete denial!

     

    The company is going to be sold or privatized IMO likely for some type of small premium (12 to 14). The damage has been done to the brand through poor execution by current management and bad publicity for that poor execution and the ulterior motives of short sellers to destroy the company.

     

    Long bbry shares
    21 Aug 2013, 07:39 PM Reply Like
  • Randal James
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    Dang! I always hear the good stuff too late. I coulda bought Apps for Dummies, written a bunch of apps, bought a thousand $ of each and pocketed the bonus. Maybe someone already did...
    21 Aug 2013, 07:46 PM Reply Like
  • Davidoff
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    Bravo!
    21 Aug 2013, 07:47 PM Reply Like
  • farmwersteve
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    I didn't read the article, but on the topic of apps, I love the following apps on my BlackBerry Z10

     

    - the intuitive keyboard. After a few weeks, it knows exactly what I'm going to say next . Sometimes it scares me it is so accurate
    - the hub
    - peak and flow
    - the camera app that allows you to
    choose the exact moment when each of the people in the photo are smiling
    - bbm

     

    Oh yeah,I forgot, my favorite app, is the true multi - tasking. I laugh all the time at my wife's iPhone 5. So funny to watch her try to multi-task with that iPhone....

     

    I must agree with some skeptics, this z10 does require a little bit of brains to use it and to get used to it. It's also true, iPhone are for brainless monkeys, the sad part is, according to sales, about 50% of the world's population are brainless monkeys

     

    Those are pretty much my favorite apps

     

    I use Skype a little and Sound Hound but other than that, i dont really need much else.

     

    Love this phone and the fantastic apps in COMES with!

     

    Funny how certain phones need apps, other phone have an os that is actually useful out of the box
    21 Aug 2013, 07:58 PM Reply Like
  • LYogi
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    Farmersteve for the win
    21 Aug 2013, 08:18 PM Reply Like
  • KIA Investment Research
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    You got it Farmersteve, it's all about Peek and flow baby!
    22 Aug 2013, 01:06 AM Reply Like
  • CGT77
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    BRAVO!!!! hahaha...
    22 Aug 2013, 09:15 AM Reply Like
  • LYogi
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    My prediction: JV

     

    BBRY remains public. Shares drop to single digits only to explode this time next year.
    21 Aug 2013, 08:03 PM Reply Like
  • logicalman
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    LYogi,
    I'll buy that!!!
    21 Aug 2013, 08:19 PM Reply Like
  • daugherty
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    If by explode, you mean the company and its stock is going to completely blow up in the faces of all the apologists, you're probably correct.
    22 Aug 2013, 11:15 AM Reply Like
  • oneinfiniteloop
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    @LYogi, if the decision to take the company private comes for vote I am going to vote against it. If it comes to it, I don't mind the stock dropping to low single digits - equal to the cash on hand or lower - but I want this company to remain public.
    22 Aug 2013, 09:32 PM Reply Like
  • LYogi
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    That makes two of us
    22 Aug 2013, 10:16 PM Reply Like
  • customize
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    To answer your question Ajayyy, People here are very greedy!! They worship mammon."
    21 Aug 2013, 08:15 PM Reply Like
  • canuck671
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    Apps? We don't need no stinkin apps.
    My z10 makes me happy every day. And yes there are iPhones in my house. Kind of sad, watching my kids play games. But each device has its own support.
    21 Aug 2013, 08:37 PM Reply Like
  • MPF94025
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    I will simply repeat what I've been saying for the past few weeks.

     

    Before any deal, before any partnership, before any tear-it-apart-and-sell the pieces for scrap... it is time for the CEO and BOD to recognize their own arrogance and bring on board legitimate individuals who AT LEAST can help restore some credibility to the company as it moves forward. Their collective actions, especially over the past 6 to 8 months, are grossly negligent of fans, users, and investors. At a minimum, the CEO and chair of the board should step down from their positions and make way for more capable individuals to guide the company for WHATEVER is to come next. The current board is killing the company.

     

    Having said that (again), as far as S4BB is concerned, they have a legitimate website, some of their apps are regurg, while others actually fill roles that others have failed to, such as with Amazon. They are based in Hong Kong. They are not hiding under a rock somewhere.

     

    For those who want to just kick BBRY, remember that there are plenty of useful apps like Stubhub, FourSquare, LinkedIn, Twitter, Ebay, Amazon Kindle, numerous radio apps, NY Times, WSJ, hotels.com, NYC Subway, etc...on top of a great browser, Hub, intuitive typing, etc...that make it my phone of choice over the iPhone 5 I concurrently carry (for apps only....).

     

    The genius who wrote the original article about S4BB, Ronen Halevy, mocked one of the city guides in Poland as a joke when in reality he had misspelled the name, and was called out by someone on his post. His self described profile lists him as "Ronen is an avid BlackBerry addict who must always have the latest and greatest toys." Strong work Ronen. Maybe next effort will be identifying all the flashlight apps on the iOS store, or the hundreds (yes, hundreds) of Justin Bieber apps for iOS. Really missing those on my z10.
    21 Aug 2013, 09:28 PM Reply Like
  • mvermaak
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    Gentlemen you miss the point.
    BlackBerry present a real threat to the big boys
    A friend told me when the z10 was tested by Apple it caused real panic as they could not believe what bbry had achieved
    That is the reason for all the sincere interest from across the border!
    21 Aug 2013, 09:29 PM Reply Like
  • daugherty
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    If by "panic" you mean laughter and disbelief, you're correct.
    22 Aug 2013, 09:34 AM Reply Like
  • john001
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    all part of the pump & dump articles. If you missed the pump stage last week, we are now in the dump stage.
    21 Aug 2013, 09:54 PM Reply Like
  • Loon-a-tick
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    I have all I -apps and I have been using all 750000 of them ...one per day.... over my lifetime. I will be very dead and cold before I finish using them them all. I have no other goal in life. I will never be satisfied to use e-mail and the fart app.
    I hope this is helpful.
    21 Aug 2013, 09:58 PM Reply Like
  • mbr23a
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    You are ignoring that BB can also run Android apps.

     

    I have personally a dozen of them working perfectly fine in my Z10.
    The new OS to be releases early September incorporate support for the latest Android runtime.

     

    I would suggest you to redo your calculation.
    21 Aug 2013, 10:25 PM Reply Like
  • David653
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    Omg maybe it is true that Thorstein is trying to be terminated so he can take the money and run... Oh wait he does not have to run, it was approved
    21 Aug 2013, 10:25 PM Reply Like
  • Michael Collins
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    Heins should be sent to jail along with monkey in charge of app development who thought he was so clever singing in his band etc.
    21 Aug 2013, 11:30 PM Reply Like
  • crasster
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    Why all the hate? Mr. Saunders is VP of developer relations and a nice personable guy who likes to sing.
    22 Aug 2013, 01:47 AM Reply Like
  • Randal James
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    Besides, it is traditional to use monkeys in just that role.

     

    http://bit.ly/1851kmc
    22 Aug 2013, 01:52 AM Reply Like
  • Frank Siedler
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    But if any analysts are sent to jail because of some of their wrong analysis, they have to build a lot more jails :-)
    22 Aug 2013, 06:12 AM Reply Like
  • hz06
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    The main problem would be too much junk in the search results. In the on-line world, advertisers are the most creative, and committed, bunch, or in some cases, they are the force behind the advance of technologies. Getting flooded by this types of apps (free ads?) is not BB's fault.

     

    BB in this case, can add an "exclude by app author" filter in their search. This way the users won't hit those "apps". The company making these "apps" can fold just for this filtering feature and the publicity of its practice.

     

    All apps stores having hundreds of thousands apps should already have sophisticated app filters at the users' fingertips. But most of the people learn the existence of an app from somewhere else and search for it by its exact name. So this type of junk apps are not a problem, or at least, not a noticeable problem, for the user community.
    21 Aug 2013, 11:39 PM Reply Like
  • rickjh
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    Apps, apps, apps. I'm getting tired of hearing about them.

     

    Back in 2010 Jim Balsillie said, "There may be 300,000 apps for the iPhone and iPad, but the only app you really need is the browser. You don't need an app for the web ... You don't need to go through some kind of SDK ... You can use your web tools ... And you can publish your apps to the BlackBerry without writing any native code." At the time this comment drew much scorn and ridicule, but I think this will ultimately be proven to be correct.

     

    There will be (as there currently are) web apps that run in a browser, irrespective of the phone OS they happen to be running on. Why wouldn't Facebook be this kind of app? Or Netflix? Or Skype? Or Instagram? I hear people complain about banking apps on BB10, but when I access the online banking site for my bank, it automatically shifts to the mobile site. No need for an app. Same for the newpaper I read every day.

     

    Yes, of course, not everything we want to do with our phones can be handled this way. But much can be - and not too far in the future will be. This infatuation with apps is a phase we're passing through, driven by greed, exclusivity, and narrow mindedness. Unfortunately BB may not be around when we're through it.

     

    In the meantime, why don't they put their resources behind developing impressive platform independent (web and non-web based) "apps" that have value independent of BB10, iOS, Android, Windows, or any other platform that might come along?
    21 Aug 2013, 11:50 PM Reply Like
  • hz06
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    From a technical point of view, native app layout are programmed for the specific screen size and shape, so native apps look nicer and use the screen more effectively.

     

    Web app is not built with a certain screen size and shape in mind hence they run on all type of browsers but don't look as nice and well laid out as the native apps.
    22 Aug 2013, 01:04 AM Reply Like
  • MPF94025
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    I have both Z10 and iPhone 5. I use Z10 all the time, preferred phone for communications.

     

    Reality, however, is that the apps are tweaked enough, whether remembering user ID, etc, that it just makes things simpler, that's all there is to it.

     

    I'm a BBRY supporter, investor, and want the company to succeed, but the browser simply can't do the same job. As a simple example, it takes seconds to transfer funds between accounts in the same bank on an app, tedious on even mobile browser. And have yet to see a mobile web site enable check depositing. These are just simple examples.

     

    Look, I hate typing on my iPhone, the Home button stinks, no true multitasking, and browser AND radios not as good, IMHO, as on Z10. But the apps are so slick and make life easier. Esp for tracking stocks, etc, Bloomberg, CNBC (love them or hate them, etc....), even SA website.......

     

    What can I say. Only good news is that I'm seeing lots of tweaks to BB 10 OS apps. At least those who have developed for BB10 OS have not given up hope.
    22 Aug 2013, 07:25 AM Reply Like
  • Crazy Mazy
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    Honestly who cares? As far as i can see all the Marque and useful apps are there! Other than netflix and instagram what is missing?
    21 Aug 2013, 11:51 PM Reply Like
  • Michael Collins
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    There is no way this went on without senior management at bbry knowledge.

     

    The app race was just too important...
    They must have realized no one was building apps...and they found a clever little trick.

     

    The question is how much was S4BB paid for the apps? And was fraud committed?
    21 Aug 2013, 11:52 PM Reply Like
  • crasster
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    Lots of people are writing native apps as well as people porting useless android apps. I wonder how many of the S4BB team's apps are just that, useless android ports.

     

    BBJAM has been very successful for BBRY and they just released their 10.2 SDK:

     

    http://bit.ly/16yqKe3

     

    From what I've heard, 10.2 has some really great new features to the core BBRY apps. They look like they are using the consumer feedback to their advantage.
    22 Aug 2013, 01:47 AM Reply Like
  • Frank Siedler
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    Michael, if you look into BlackBerry World you will find a lot of quality apps! And the other apps, like in every appstore, you can leave behind. Why so much hate, there are a lot of apps like WhatsApp, etc. which are in the store, that people want! And watch your old articles! I don't say more!
    22 Aug 2013, 02:46 AM Reply Like
  • farmwersteve
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    Which way is the wind blowing today Michael?

     

    Seems your disgruntled attitude is still your shattered ego getting the best of you.

     

    Perhaps take a break from following BlackBerry for a while so your comments don't come off with so much hate.

     

    Do we know the exact details of the payment made to app developers. Was there a limit? Was there any stipulations? Is this all 100% confirmed?

     

    As a side note, the only apps missing that I hear iphonies complain about are Netflix and Instagram

     

    What happens when BlackBerry gets those working for all users? Then what is the newest complaint?

     

    Michael, you were a huge supporter in the past, can you comment AGAIN on your personal love or hate for the device and platform?

     

    .....fish out of water, flop flop
    22 Aug 2013, 08:07 AM Reply Like
  • crasster
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    I have both netflix and instagram android ports on my Z10...so what is missing again?
    22 Aug 2013, 03:57 PM Reply Like
  • oneinfiniteloop
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    @farmwersteve, @crasster, very good points indeed; as I mentioned on StockTalk today, if you install the leaked BB10 10.2.0.1047 then you can pretty much run any and I repeat any Android app on Blackberry - just go to either bb10bars.net and you will be able to download the latest Android apps that have been converted to .bar files. I am sure that Blackberry has sponsored this site in some way or form. There is also another native Blackberry app SideSwype which allows you to install those .bar file Over the Air! It charges a very small fee.

     

    Right now I have all the apps I need, I wish I could share my Z10 screen and show that I have about 5 pages full of application icons and I frequently use these following apps/functions - WebEx, Hub (Mail, Text Messaging), Calendar, Browser, BBM, Clock, Search and Instant Action, Twitter, Facebook, BB Leaks, Remember and Tagging, Camera, StoryMaker, Mashable, Crackberry, N4bb, Wall Street Journal, Adobe Reader, Blackberry Docs, Password Manager - as you can see all of them are Blackberry native apps! Here are some of the side loaded Android Apps - Flipboard, SoundCloud, TED, Google Maps, Seeking Alpha and some of the Banking Apps (almost all of them work without any issues). I have Netflix running but have never used it except for testing BB10 when I install a Leak.

     

    I don't know about you folks but that pretty much is my world of things. In case there are some good Android apps that I am missing and should download then please let me know.
    22 Aug 2013, 10:13 PM Reply Like
  • Crazy Mazy
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    Yes and that's why Apple puts pressure on Verizon and At&T not to promote and sell Blackberry because they know if people start using Z10 & Q10 they will be hooked and the Iphone gonnna go straight into the waste basket LOL. The Iphone OS is outdated, we all know that! Apple is going to copy a lot of what blackberry has done with their OS. And if BB goes under they will probably copy everything, because BB10 is so good.
    22 Aug 2013, 12:06 AM Reply Like
  • MPF94025
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    One hope for BBRY is that iOS7 is release pre QE and is a dog of an upgrade.

     

    It would not surprise me if Apple is holding off on iOS7 until after BBRY's QE report in Sept, believing that if iOS7 is not a hit with iOS crowd, and BBRY's #'s are poor, that BBRY will be too weak to be a viable alternative if/when iOS7 is released, say, in Oct. or Nov.
    22 Aug 2013, 07:34 AM Reply Like
  • Frank Siedler
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    @Crazy Mazy
    And because BlackBerry 10 is great, they have to survive! And because of these news
    http://zd.net/186zlTc
    I hope Canada won't let them die or split.
    22 Aug 2013, 04:17 PM Reply Like
  • KIA Investment Research
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    Frank, why did you link that article?

     

    They say: " the Canadian government may well just sit by and let the Waterloo, Ontario-based smartphone maker wind down, split up, or sell-off."

     

    And also: " industry minister James Moore said it was "unfortunate" the company's two new phones, the touch-screen BlackBerry Z10 and the keyboard-enabled Q10, were not a hit with consumers. "
    22 Aug 2013, 07:19 PM Reply Like
  • Ben Learner
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    I must say the creativity of BlackBerry bashers is endless, like human stupidity. There is despair to take Blackberry down quickly. What a load.
    We will see what the reality is at the end of September.
    22 Aug 2013, 02:50 AM Reply Like
  • la cabanya
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    What would take to put BBRY booths in every Verizon, ATT or Sprint store. Very simple with a 52" screen and a Z-10 connected to it via its mini HDMI and play all advertising, tips and provide the most important answers to typical questions, of the advantages and how to operate and enjoy the BBRY smart phones.
    They should also spiff the agents in charge of selling the phones for every new customer.
    And run contests with some great travel rewards for the best sales persons.
    That would go a long way and cost very little!
    And they will have immediate results!
    22 Aug 2013, 04:38 AM Reply Like
  • Barrator
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    All BBRY shorts out there I am praying for you all of you
    http://on.mktw.net/152...
    22 Aug 2013, 06:15 AM Reply Like
  • MPF94025
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    Yes, only problem with this is that BBRY is not one of the companies that is soaring. PW leaving board, and those who remain are seemingly incompetent and helpless, gives little hope.

     

    A few weeks ago a well known actress, Kristin Davis, tweeted FOR FREE as far as we know that she loves her Q10. Do you think that BBRY would jump on that and put her on billboards all over? Instead as far as I know, Alicia Keyes is still on the payroll and for what??

     

    Class action lawsuit may really be justified for lost opportunities, misleading statements, and frankly outright deceit, such as releasing BB Link with a fraction of the features of it's predecessor. What tech company does that? Seriously?
    22 Aug 2013, 07:30 AM Reply Like
  • farmwersteve
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    So, all the complaints about so many apps from two developers

     

    Well, on the plus side there are another 60,000 or so apps unaccounted for by other developers. That's pretty awesome.

     

    Everyday new apps and games are added and i keep checking of it is made by s4bb, and they aren't.

     

    So, there must be some interest out there by other developers

     

    Good thing no one has ever looked into how few companies make oem parts on behalf of the automaker's.
    23 Aug 2013, 08:17 AM Reply Like
  • Randal James
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    "Good thing no one has ever looked into how few companies make oem parts on behalf of the automaker's."

     

    An exceptionally poor comparison. Lots of apps good; few headlamp manufacturers bad?

     

    Why in the world would I need more than a few companies willing to make parts for my Honda CRV? It is unlikely I'll ever need them unless I'm in a major accident and to have spares stacked up in warehouses - different warehouses for each jobber - is absurd.

     

    Apps are nothing more than software without any physical presence. Just like the digital songs in an iTunes library, they require nothing more than the customer's desire to pay either nothing or a small fee to own them. Their utility is often questionable. The majority of apps are downloaded, used once, and never used again, whereas a car part becomes an integral piece of the vehicle and is used daily for the rest of its or the vehicle's useful life.
    23 Aug 2013, 09:11 AM Reply Like
  • Seppo Sahrakorpi
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    Crackberry:

     

    "The truth about BB appworld ca 80k apps are crap"

     

    http://bit.ly/17aCnbR
    24 Aug 2013, 09:12 AM Reply Like
  • LYogi
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    The other 50K are awesome. Of which you need only about 20 to have all you require.

     

    In other words: yawn

     

    SP has gone up since this news broke.
    24 Aug 2013, 09:41 AM Reply Like
  • oneinfiniteloop
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    It is on Crackberry Forums and not from Crackberry - it is a common pattern on Crackerry Forums to have so called newbies post such messages - just read through the responses of real Blackberry owners :)

     

    I have had a Nokia 900 and 920 and I exactly know how many of the apps in their app store are good - lets just leave it at that :)

     

    Today I can download and run practically any Android app on my Z10 and it works as smoothly as it does on any other Android only phone. So I don't understand all this chat that is going on - IMO, completely meaningless. Just go to bb10bars.net and side load them. Sachi is soon going to release a app on BB10 that will allow one to load .bar files directly from your phone - no more any need to side load apps using Google Chrome.
    24 Aug 2013, 12:51 PM Reply Like
  • KIA Investment Research
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    "Alec Saunders pls STOP it before it is to late! "

     

    lolz
    25 Aug 2013, 07:36 PM Reply Like
  • KIA Investment Research
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    @OIL

     

    "I have had a Nokia 900 and 920 and I exactly know how many of the apps in their app store are good "

     

    I have a 925, and have no idea "how many of the apps in their app store are good".,

     

    Tell me, how does owning one of these phones imbue you with such knowledge? Maybe the problem is I have the 925 and not the 900 or 920? ;-)
    25 Aug 2013, 07:39 PM Reply Like
  • oneinfiniteloop
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    @KIA, since you asked let me give you the list of things that routinely crashed on my Lumia 920:
    - microsoft photosynth - try to take a 360 view and see how the stitching works - it cuts off large pieces.
    - Nokia Pulse - was completely unusable
    - Microsoft Explorer - can't tell you how many times I crashed it
    - Podcasting app - would freeze if you had a download going in the background
    - Phone app - would just crash and the entire keypad and phone would become unresponsive
    - Here Transit - could never use it (it may be working in Europe - but don't think it works in Bay Area)
    - Microsoft's App dev tool (I don't recollect the name) - In fact, I couldn't even build some of the sample apps they had given on Microsoft's website - if you want you can check my postings on their website asking their inputs and providing them all the data
    - Nokia Drive - try to drive in Stanford's campus and you will see what happens (try to put an address somewhere on Campus Drive)
    - While typing emails - I would frequently hit one of the keys at the bottom (the back button, windows key and search) and would end up loosing the email or the document that I was typing into - of all the things this was the most annoying of the lot (both Android and Nokia phones have those annoying buttons at the bottom)

     

    The point I am trying to make is not that Nokia phone is a bad phone but the fact that just because you have gazillions apps on a phone doesn't mean that they are not buggy or usable.

     

    I have personally used following varieties of phones so far iPhone, Windows 7 and 8, and Blackberry and personally, from a purely utilitarian and "cross cutting concerns" standpoint, I find Blackberry BB10 to be very well integrated and far ahead of the curve - I can assure you that I am not saying this because I own Blackberry's stock (if you don't believe me please go to an AT&T/Verizon/T-Mob... store and try out all the features that BB10 has to offer and how nicely they integrate with each other with an open mind).

     

    Way back, just before the release of BB10 phones, I had written a negative comment about Blackberry phones - and somebody on this board had asked me if I had tried out a Blackberry before making such negative comments; so, I went over to the AT&T store near my home and I personally tried out their phones and I came out with a 180 degree change in my view of Blackberry. I can assure you that with every leaked release of BB10 my conviction is becoming even stronger.
    26 Aug 2013, 01:38 AM Reply Like
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