Kerry makes the case against Syria


"It matters if nothing is done," says John Kerry, making it pretty clear the U.S. is going to take action against Syria no matter the vote in the U.K. or the lack of movement from the UN.

In the next breath, though, Kerry says any action will be limited.

Stocks initially tumbled further as the Secretary of State spoke, but now have bounced nicely, perhaps encouraged by the word "limited."

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Comments (49)
  • SoCalNative+(RIP)
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    Man, do we look like a bunch of bumblers.
    30 Aug 2013, 01:22 PM Reply Like
  • Mattster
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    Bullets are ok but chemicals aren't. US has become the martha stewart of atrocity.
    30 Aug 2013, 01:26 PM Reply Like
  • PeakOiler
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    "In the next breadth" - nice slip of the tongue. The next breadth is negative if you haven't noticed.
    30 Aug 2013, 01:26 PM Reply Like
  • SoldHigh
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    -0- leadership from Obama. Pathetic, but expected.
    30 Aug 2013, 01:27 PM Reply Like
  • Bouchart
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    I feel so much safer with Lurch as Secretary of State. He really knows how to handle international matters.
    30 Aug 2013, 01:32 PM Reply Like
  • Philip Marlowe
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    This is such a mistake. The action being limited means nothing. Once the missiles start flying this will easily escalate. Hesbollah will attack israel, the shias in iran will attack american oil company property, the shias in saudi arabia might rebell, etc. Obama should realize that he was elected because people hoped he would not do stupid things like this.
    30 Aug 2013, 01:35 PM Reply Like
  • thotdoc
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    I do not understand why we don't call a spade a spade and tell the most involved parties that they must sort it out themselves, instead of us falling into the same old traps of allowing ourself to take on a problem that no one else will touch and then being blamed.

     

    Since this logic is so clear, it must not be the intent to be logical.
    31 Aug 2013, 12:09 PM Reply Like
  • filipo
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    Obama is about to loose the credibility and prestige he had in Europe. If these rockets aare launched he might easily get the most detested and stupidest president of the US.
    All this military buildup is highly deplorable.
    31 Aug 2013, 01:47 PM Reply Like
  • ppk721
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    have we consulted congress about this limited (act of war )--where has the fuc^%$ constitution gone-- we are pathetic for not standing up to the war state.----disgusted!!
    30 Aug 2013, 01:40 PM Reply Like
  • mickmars
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    Let's not hear anymore whining about how the Republicans are the only warmongers. Democrats support this garbage when they're in control too.

     

    The number of children we kill in these attacks will be "limited" as well, I'm sure.
    30 Aug 2013, 01:44 PM Reply Like
  • optionsexpert
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    Get a clue.
    30 Aug 2013, 02:16 PM Reply Like
  • The Geoffster
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    I'm going to bomb you but you can't bomb me back.
    Obummbler's Rules of War
    30 Aug 2013, 01:47 PM Reply Like
  • mrdirt
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    Hurry get Hillary back to press the reset button.
    30 Aug 2013, 01:56 PM Reply Like
  • Wilky
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    When are we going to learn to stop interfering in other countries' internal affairs, none of which we can put right. We need to leave these people to their civil wars. We in the west have all had them. They resolve themselves in the end. They would be so busy fighting each other that they would not have time to mess around with us. We can't afford the war we are fighting now, never mind getting into another one. Kerry, keep your damn mouth shut and stop messing up the stock market. Idiots all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    30 Aug 2013, 02:01 PM Reply Like
  • Bubba1
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    They killed 100,000 with bullets and bombs and 1000 with gas. Are the 100,000 less dead then those who died from gas?? I don't get it perhaps someone can help me out with this. what is the difference how you kill people since they all wind up dead??
    30 Aug 2013, 02:03 PM Reply Like
  • Jomamaiscool
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    Because if one guy starts using chemical weapons, and it's allowed to happen, then everyone starts using chemical weapons. Those 100,000 that died was over the course of a few years. Mass use of chemical weapons will make you wish it was only 100,000 casualties - and it will happen very quickly.

     

    There aren't any rules to war, but one of the "unspoken rules" is that everyone agrees that chemical weapons are off the table.
    31 Aug 2013, 12:12 PM Reply Like
  • mickmars
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    Think we'd be considering an attack if it were anywhere outside of the oil and gas rich middle east?

     

    See Rwanda
    See Darfur
    See The Congo
    31 Aug 2013, 12:57 PM Reply Like
  • Brian Bobbitt
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    You get what you vote for. When good men are quiet bad men take over.

     

    Capt Brian
    The Lost Navigator
    30 Aug 2013, 02:12 PM Reply Like
  • optionsexpert
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    Ridiculous commentors as usual.
    30 Aug 2013, 02:15 PM Reply Like
  • mobyss
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    Remember when there was a President that attacked a middle eastern country without the authorization of the UN, with very few international partners (but with Britain, our closest ally), and with dubious motives, but WITH the approval of the US Congress?

     

    According to the New York Times, he was a very bad man.

     

    Now we have a President that plans to attack a middle eastern country without the authorization of the UN, with almost no international partners (and without Britain, our closest ally), and with dubious motives, and WITHOUT the approval of the US Congress.

     

    He's a Nobel Peace Prize winner.
    30 Aug 2013, 02:15 PM Reply Like
  • optionsexpert
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    NIce generalization but when you get to the details you just compare apples to oranges. Nice try though.
    30 Aug 2013, 02:19 PM Reply Like
  • mobyss
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    Does Obama have UN authorization to bomb Syria?

     

    Is Great Britain going to join in the military action and lend credence to the US's stated goals?

     

    Has Congress been consulted and given their approval pursuant to the US Constitution?

     

    Is there absolute proof that the chemical weapons attack was ordered by the highest levels of Assad's regime?

     

    For a self proclaimed "expert" you sure have a hard time with basic facts.
    30 Aug 2013, 02:27 PM Reply Like
  • optionsexpert
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    Appreciate the insult. You are a classy individual.
    30 Aug 2013, 02:33 PM Reply Like
  • mobyss
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    "Nice try though"

     

    Seemed a little snarky on your end too.

     

    I apologize for the insult. Let's just deal in facts here though - can you refute anything that I've listed? I'm really wondering when the Code Pink rallies will start, maybe with a few bloody-fanged effigies of Obama, like there were for the "Warmonger Chimperor".
    30 Aug 2013, 03:54 PM Reply Like
  • optionsexpert
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    Have we bombed them yet?
    30 Aug 2013, 04:35 PM Reply Like
  • optionsexpert
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    How many of our troops died in the Iraq war? Do you really want to compare Syria to Iraq?
    30 Aug 2013, 04:39 PM Reply Like
  • The Geoffster
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    You are so correct. Hypocrisy has no place in this administration. We are transparent, we leak our war plans.
    30 Aug 2013, 07:34 PM Reply Like
  • themayor
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    We are more civil. We kill people with missile bombs!
    30 Aug 2013, 02:25 PM Reply Like
  • Oxyman
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    Evidently, all of the above styled "hawks" in this Commentary have no loved ones on the front lines fighting the ridiculous wars we have been thrust into by our inglorious leaders.........
    30 Aug 2013, 02:35 PM Reply Like
  • Nate Sterling
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    Just a few of the questions one might want to ask before engaging in another war:

     

    Why does it matter so much that chemical weapons are used to kill people but apparently it's okay to kill people with other weapons?

     

    Why are we messing around in another nation's civil war?

     

    Why does the American government feel like we have to be the world policeman?

     

    Why is it okay for American government/President Obama to kill people? Isn't it self-contradictory for him to say it's not okay for you to kill people so I'm going to kill people?

     

    Can we afford to get into another war?

     

    What vital national security interests are implicated with Syria?

     

    President Assad is evil but why would we support Al Qaeda and a bunch of terrorist rebels who are also evil?

     

    Why does Bono say "and war is always the choice of the chosen who will not have to fight"?
    30 Aug 2013, 02:55 PM Reply Like
  • Patent News
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    its not a front line war doofus. its an air raid. no soldiers harmed.

     

    why should UN be consulted?

     

    oh yeah don't forget war POWERS ACT.

     

    shall it be quoted for all you who didnt bother to read it?

     

    CONSULTATION

     

    SEC. 3. The President in every possible instance shall consult with Congress before introducing United States Armed Forces into hostilities or into situation where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, and after every such introduction shall consult regularly with the Congress until United States Armed Forces are no longer engaged in hostilities or have been removed from such situations.

     

    REPORTING

     

    SEC. 4. (a) In the absence of a declaration of war, in any case in which United States Armed Forces are introduced--

     

    (1) into hostilities or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances;

     

    (2) into the territory, airspace or waters of a foreign nation, while equipped for combat, except for deployments which relate solely to supply, replacement, repair, or training of such forces; or

     

    (3) in numbers which substantially enlarge United States Armed Forces equipped for combat already located in a foreign nation; the president shall submit within 48 hours to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and to the President pro tempore of the Senate a report, in writing, setting forth--

     

    (A) the circumstances necessitating the introduction of United States Armed Forces;

     

    (B) the constitutional and legislative authority under which such introduction took place; and

     

    (C) the estimated scope and duration of the hostilities or involvement.

     

    (b) The President shall provide such other information as the Congress may request in the fulfillment of its constitutional responsibilities with respect to committing the Nation to war and to the use of United States Armed Forces abroad

     

    IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, U.S.,

     

    November 7, 1973.

     

    President can attack and report to Congress after.. Old news.
    30 Aug 2013, 02:58 PM Reply Like
  • Iron Hamster
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    The Present is not interested in what is legal. He is only interested in what laws he can get away with breaking. Case in point, Libya; selling guns to drug cartels; inviting illegal aliens into our country and helping them vote illegally...
    31 Aug 2013, 11:02 AM Reply Like
  • Jomamaiscool
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    "why should UN be consulted?"
    especially when Russia will just veto any resolutions anyway.

     

    "The Present is not interested in what is legal. He is only interested in what laws he can get away with breaking."

     

    Yes, the President arbitrarily breaks laws for the point of just breaking them.

     

    Read the post above about the long-term ramifications of allowing the use of chemical weapons (WMDs btw) in Syria.
    31 Aug 2013, 12:16 PM Reply Like
  • PalmDesertRat
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    If the gassing were done by the Chinese government against a city in China,would Obama be bombing China? I doubt it.

     

    I fail to see a strategic interest for the US in this situation. I feel sorry for the gassees,but tough cookies.
    30 Aug 2013, 04:31 PM Reply Like
  • Value Mine
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    Well if I have to be the one person for it... Fine

     

    I'm glad we eventually stopped Hitler from gassing people and that I'm not speaking German right now.... and I am glad that the administration is going to take some action in this case as well.

     

    People want to take care of problems at home? I don't see people here being gassed... and I imagine if they were, then we would.

     

    Yeah more than 1,500 people have died in Syria by other methods, but it is a threat to the United States when people use this stuff. We need to create a scenario where people do not benefit from doing so. If that requires carefully planned military action directed at military targets.. so be it.

     

    Obama is between a rock and a hard place but I will respect him if he does what he has said he will do even if he knows it won't make him popular in the short-term.
    30 Aug 2013, 04:48 PM Reply Like
  • mobyss
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    Hitler militarily attacked France, England, Poland, Russia, and other countries. His unstoppable war machine was marching across the continent, doing quite a bit more than "gassing" people. The map of Europe was literally being changed by an aggressive invading force. After consolidating power in Europe, and perhaps calling an uneasy truce with Stalin, Hitler would have undoubtedly gained control of England, then Canada, then possibly moved against the continental US.

     

    If Hitler had never left the boundaries of Germany, I'm not so sure the US would ever have become involved.

     

    Syria is a danger to the US as a water balloon is a danger to a forest fire. We might as well fear an invasion from New Zealand.

     

    Regardless, the blind Pro-Obama warmongering seen here and elsewhere is really fascinating, considering he got elected on the promise of "I'm no George Bush, and I will humbly ask the World's permission before taking any military action". They gave him the Nobel Peace Prize in return for his fealty, and now the Drums of War are being pounded as loud as ever. Funny how much politicians change after they are elected, isn't it?
    30 Aug 2013, 05:19 PM Reply Like
  • Wilky
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    Hitler was intent on expanding his borders and taking over the whole of Europe and Russia. I don't see Syria doing any of that. It's an internal, civil, war. Big difference. Incidentally, WW2 had been raging for three years when we joined in. We were hoping we would not have to and maybe we wouldn't have but for Pearl Harbor.
    30 Aug 2013, 05:26 PM Reply Like
  • The Geoffster
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    What if the Confederacy had chemical weapons?
    30 Aug 2013, 07:37 PM Reply Like
  • Philip Marlowe
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    Must you compare everything to Hitler? Little knowledge can be very dangerous indeed.

     

    You should study a little bit more about Nazi Germany and the world in the 1930s, and you will see that neither Iraq nor Syria nor any arab country today is comparable to Nazi Germany vis-a-vis international relations. So please stop with the Hitler comparisons already.

     

    Oh and by the way, if we attack Syria certain parties would benefit. In fact it is entirely possible that someone arranged for the gas attack to happen in order for this war to take place. Syria is a poor country and their officers are probably bribe-able. Early intelligence showed that Assad was as surprised as anyone that this attack happened.
    30 Aug 2013, 08:01 PM Reply Like
  • Iron Hamster
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    It has been shown that the odds of a Hitler comparison increase geometrically as a political thread lengthens linearly. Getting the Hitler comparison out of the way early is a good thing. LOL.
    31 Aug 2013, 11:06 AM Reply Like
  • SoldHigh
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    Obama, all talk, no spine...probably just use water balloons (once his EPA determines the environmental impact of the balloon material and water in a desert-war situation, of course).
    30 Aug 2013, 07:18 PM Reply Like
  • Jake2992
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    I know right, he should have put on a cowboy hat and then thoughtlessly sent 1000's of US Soldiers for a prolonged and costly war. Thinking is for sissies!
    30 Aug 2013, 08:49 PM Reply Like
  • JohnBinTN
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    The majority of D's had their cowboy hats on when those marching orders were given, too... It was a multi-affiliation blunder, for sure.
    30 Aug 2013, 09:06 PM Reply Like
  • Iron Hamster
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    Funny thing. That prolonged and costly war would have been much shorter if the people that made fun of Bush for not going in sooner hadn't undermined our own military men and women. All those negative comments made from the floor of the Senate and House only served to stiffen the resolve of Al Queda, who perceived a weak enemy. Now, those same people are recommending being Al Queda's own air force.
    31 Aug 2013, 11:09 AM Reply Like
  • Moon Kil Woong
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    I hate to get too much into politics but I can't help but note the irony that Obama and Kerry, both anti-war are pressing for a war with no clear outcome expectation and no clear exit strategy, not a clear definition on who will take care and manage Syria after an attack.

     

    The economy must be really bad if they need war stimulus. We already have enough wars to fight right here. War on budget deficits. War on poverty. War on a lingering zombie economy. War on drugs, etc. We need to fix our own house before we go destroying other countries and then dropping billions on new governments which can't even keep track of billions of dollars in aid and government defense contractors who do things like electrocute our soldiers in showers (gee thanks patriotic Haliburton) and get crony no compete bids.

     

    Obama is shaping up to be no different than Bush Jr. He hasn't had a bright idea in his head that the old administration wouldn't do save health care reform. And that was Hillary and the pharmaceutical industry's idea. If he picks Larry Summers it's not really his pick. He was picked by Bush Jr. first. So was Bernanke. So was Gates, Gen. David Petraeus, and Gen. Raymond Odierno. Bring out the war drums. The doves want to make peace...
    31 Aug 2013, 11:51 AM Reply Like
  • Jomamaiscool
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    They're not pressing for a war, they're pressing for controlled air strikes to specific targets then withdrawing, specifically in response to chemical weapon use.

     

    We're in the kind of situation where if we do nothing we're criticized, if we strike we're criticized, if we do all out war we're criticized. Screw it, do the right thing - pull a Bill Clinton, slap Assad upside the head, and prepare for the ramifications.
    31 Aug 2013, 12:22 PM Reply Like
  • Moon Kil Woong
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    And that somehow will have no ramifications and we won't be drawn in? I really doubt it.
    31 Aug 2013, 03:26 PM Reply Like
  • PalmDesertRat
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    If the US intervened in every situation where it felt injustice was being done,there would not be enough soldiers or guns to go around.

     

    The US needs to limit its fights to those where a strategic interest is involved. Syria holds no strategic interest for the US.

     

    I sympathize with the victims,but we can't help everyone on the planet.
    31 Aug 2013, 05:53 PM Reply Like
  • tiger8896
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    There should be a law outlawing old soldiers like Kerry and McCain from military policy decisions because it seems like they always have a pre-disposition to bomb the enemy into the stone age.

     

    Britain's parliament did the right thing eschewing any action against Syria despite what Tony Blair thinks. The majority of Americans don't even want a limited military response why isn't Obama and Congress listening to us like Parliament listened to the British public.
    31 Aug 2013, 12:32 PM Reply Like
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