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Beijing to limit the number of cars to combat rampant smog

  • Beijing will take more measures to limit the use of automobiles in the city as air pollution readings continue to exceed levels considered safe.
  • Reports indicate the local government could curb the number of registered vehicles at 6M, a level only 800K over the number of cars reported in the city at the end of last year.
  • Major automakers such as Ford (F +1.4%), General Motors (GM +0.7%), and Volkswagen (VLKAY.PK) could actually benefit from increased emissions regulations in China with their latest models more advanced on fuel economy and emissions technology than Chinese counterparts.
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  • Raymondalpha
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    China should establish obligatory vehicle emission inspections, just like the U.S. and other nations have. There are probably thousands of older vehicles that emit more contaminants than the newer vehicles, and their reduction will help clear the air. I suspect that many of the older trucks are the main culprits! China must adopt the "Cash for Clunkers" program that the U. S. did a few years ago to add incentives for buyers of newer and cleaner vehicles. It may work better than trying to enforce a law against those older culprits.
    3 Sep 2013, 10:55 AM Reply Like
  • asles
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    Think TESLA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...
    3 Sep 2013, 10:57 AM Reply Like
  • bfreiw
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    Why not subsidize the purchase? While doing that, how about similar arrangements here in this country? Why not nationalize Tesla while we're at it?

     

    Shouldn't we get some direct benefit from our investment in the company?
    3 Sep 2013, 11:42 AM Reply Like
  • Tdot
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    The problem with "TESLA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!... " in China (apart from the $100k+ price tag) is that the power generation in China is 70% from fossil fuels. So basically you replace a 30% efficient internal combustion engine with a 30% efficient powerplant and grid. Essentially the same amount of stuff gets burned per mile in the air at the end of the day.

     

    The emissions from the latest generation gas and hybrid engines are essentially carbon monoxide and water, with mere small traces of NOx and other "smog" gasses. Which is why they don't bother with emissions tests in most states in the US anymore - there is virtually nothing to detect in an engine that is (self) tuned and running properly.

     

    In the end, the emissions from the latest gasoline and hybrid engines may be less than the powerplant emissions required to run a "TESLA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!... "
    3 Sep 2013, 12:32 PM Reply Like
  • Raymondalpha
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    You are still thinking in the "Dark Ages". Many electric vehicle owners are way ahead of you, and have invested and using home generation with photovoltaic and wind turbines. You cannot say the same about your gas usage! China can go "cleaner" with electricity generation, too. Regulating and cleaning up the power generators is easier than trying to clean up millions of older gas engines. Electric vehicles are the future to clean air. Ask the state of California! China has to follow what California did.
    4 Sep 2013, 10:09 AM Reply Like
  • Tdot
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    You charge your Tesla using your personal solar charging station and a personal windmill generator during the daytime when the sun is out and the wind is blowing? Got to admit, that is pretty cool - having your own SolarWind Station. How much did that cost you? You must be like a movie star or something.

     

    But how much do they cost in China? Are you going to help with setting up millions of SolarWind Stations for the Chinese who buy a $100,000 Tesla there? Those things have got to be pretty expensive.

     

    Anyway - charging all day long using your SolarWind Generator? Not likely. The Tesla is not at home charging during the day. Or it better not be. You are supposed to be out driving it during the day, or else having it parked at work and off the grid. Do you have a 25-mile long extension cord so you can charge your Tesla at work from your home SolarWind Station?

     

    Charging is generally done at night, when the sun is down and the wind is low. Using power from the inefficient fossil fuel power plant. Keeping the power plant operating at higher power level all night long just to charge your Tesla, so you and your neighbors wake up to even more smog in the morning air. How does that taste again? We don't get that much smog out in the mid-west you know.

     

    But what is up with you TESLA!!! supporters with the Exclamation Points!!! Or maybe it is a California thing - all the smog makes blurry vision so it is hard to see the period button, so you grab the exclamation point instead?
    4 Sep 2013, 10:15 AM Reply Like
  • Raymondalpha
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    Go suck on your exhaust pipe with the engine on!
    5 Sep 2013, 09:14 AM Reply Like
  • Tdot
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    Really? Whattaya twelve? Should we reply " Go autoasphyxiate yourself with your extension cord! " ... ?
    5 Sep 2013, 09:30 AM Reply Like
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