Boeing, Airbus vie for U.K. maritime-patrol deal


The U.K. needs to beef up its submarine hunting capabilities and Boeing (BA +0.3%) says it has a patrol aircraft that's a "natural fit."

BA is pitching the P-8 (based on the 737), which is already in use by the U.S.

For its part, Airbus (EADSF.PK -2.1%) is pushing a variant of the C-295 airlifter which a company official says would have a cost advantage over competitors.

Lockheed Martin (LMT +0.3%) may also be in the running, with a system derived from its C-130 transport plane.

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  • SquareHead
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    Those aircraft are so different it is not clear what the UK really wants. Compare the weights:
    P8 Max TO Weight is 190k
    C130 Max TO Weight is 155k
    C295 MTOW is about 55k

     

    My Take: I can't believe they all legit bidders. I suspect UK has their eyes on the P-8 but are trying to pressure the price down and get more offset purchases. Also the P-8 is operational and there is little/no development risk. Development costs will be shared with the US Navy which plans to purchase about 100. The UK also builds parts for the P-8. The UK may only be looking to buy a dozen or so aircraft. Hardly worth the effort of developing a less capable aircraft.

     

    Put your money on the P-8.
    12 Sep 2013, 12:30 PM Reply Like
  • thomas85225
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    Northrop has propose using the RQ-4B RQ-4 Global Hawk as a anti-submarine and maritime surveillance aircraft Endurance: 36 hours
    The 737 P8 is commercial aircraft that was design to fly at 30,000 feet, it’s not design fly low and slow on the deck like a Lockheed P-3C the P-3 has straight wing with four -engine turboprop and two of the engine can be shut down to save fuel that is more effecting
    The P-3 can has Endurance: 16 hours vs the P-8 that has only 4 hours on station
    there are plenty of P-3 still in used that are rebuild by L-3
    12 Sep 2013, 04:52 PM Reply Like
  • Howiethescreamer
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    Thomas85225, you are totally incorrect about the P-8 capabilities. Your claims have all been completely debunked by the US Navy in their evaluation of the P-8.

     

    You seem to have a noticeable anti-Boeing bent to all your posts. Why is this? If you think BA is a bad investment, fine tell us why using facts and data, not garbage.
    16 Sep 2013, 05:05 AM Reply Like
  • thomas85225
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    On 10 June 2013, a DoD Inspector General (IG) report noted that the Navy should delay full-rate production for the P-8

     

    The Boeing 737- P-8 was not the entry to replace the P-3C
    Lockheed offer a up dated version of the P-3

     

    Northrop is now offering a RQ-4B Globe Hawk

     

    Douglas offer a Dc-9 super 80 line number 909 with the UDF GE -36 engines
    http://bit.ly/14bB6QW GE engine udf engine
    http://bit.ly/14bB6QX

     

    The P-8 is base on the commercial version of the 737-800 aircraft that was design to fly at 30,000 feet, it’s is not design to fly low and slow on the deck, the aircraft stall speed is 120-146 knot due to its swept wing design
    The P-8 mission is to patrol the world sea lane at low altitude and at a slow speed so its can see slow moving ship on the ocean

     

    The 737 was design in 1966 which is base on the 707 of 1958
    Maximum speed: 490 knots (907 km/h)
    Cruise speed: 440 kn (815 km/h)
    Range: 1,200 nmi (2,222 km) 4 hours on station (Anti-submarine warfare mission)
    Service ceiling: 41,000 ft (12,496 m)
    P-8 only has 4 hours on station

     

    Boeing has 110 ITAR volitions on the P-8
    http://bit.ly/Yvya0h

     

    The P-8 is lacking a FLIR, pod and wing mounted refueling pods
    http://bit.ly/14bB6R1

     

    Boeing made a mistake when it fail to offer the last version of the 707-320 the Navy E-6 Mercury (That was still in production till 1994) is an airborne command post and communications based on the Boeing 707-320. With glass cockpit and CFM-56 engine
    As a replacement for the military platform for early model 707- Kc-135A Rc-135, : C-137 Stratoliner, E-3 Sentry, , Northrop E-8 Joint STARS, and Air Force One ect
    ( Boeing thought the government would buy the 747-100, KC-747 kc-33A military platform, Boeing is still trying to sell the 767 that was design in 1972 and build in Japan as the next military platform
    The Kc-46 is now 900 million over budget
    Boeing must prove its self on the first 18 kc-46 aircrafts and its will take two kc-46 to do the job of one Kc-10A or one kc-45 )
    http://bit.ly/14bB8IJ

     

    During the 1990’s Boeing was payoff Darleen A. Druyun a former United States Air Force civilian official (Principal Deputy Undersecretary of the Air Force for Acquisition) and Boeing executive to win contact for over ten years
    http://bit.ly/14bB6R7

     

    P-3C Performance
    Maximum speed: 411 kn[1] (750 km/h)
    Cruise speed: 328 kn[1] (610 km/h)
    Range: 2,380 nmi radius[1] (4,400 km)
    Combat radius: 1,346 nmi[1] (2,490 km) three hours on-station at 1,500 feet
    Ferry range: 4,830 nmi[69] (8,944 km)
    Endurance: 16 hours[69]
    Service ceiling: 28,300 ft[1] (8,625 m)
    Rate of climb: 3,140 ft/min (16 m/s)
    Wing loading: 107 lb/ft² (530 kg/m²)
    Power/mass: 0.03 hp/lb (0.06 kW/kg)
    Unit cost US$36 million (FY1987)[1]
    The P-3 share commonality with the C-130
    http://bit.ly/14bB6R9

     

    In mid-2008, the Naval Air Systems Command (NAVAIR) deleted the requirement for the P-8A to be equipped with magnetic anomaly detection (MAD) equipment. This was part of a NAVAIR-directed effort to reduce P-8A aircraft weight by 3,500 lb (1,600 kg) to improve aircraft range and endurance. P-8Is

     

    On 10 June 2013, a DoD Inspector General (IG) report noted that the Navy should delay full-rate production for the P-8, as they lack critical information necessary about whether the aircraft meets operational requirements to perform primary missions. Additional testing also needs to be completed to guarantee a 25-year lifespan for the airframe.[23] Boeing executives dismissed the report, saying the flight test program is on track.[24]

     

    The P-3 has proven track records
    The Lockheed P-3C has straight wing with four -engine turboprop and two of the engine can be shut down to save fuel and turboprop are more efficient at low altitude then Jet engine
    The P-3 can has Endurance: 16 hours vs the P-8 that has only 4 hours on station
    There are plenty of P-3 still in used that are rebuilt by L-3 in Waco Texas
    http://bit.ly/14bB8YY
    16 Sep 2013, 04:40 PM Reply Like
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