Chanos and O'Neill duke it out over China


The famously bearish-on-China Jim Chanos and Goldman's former sunny BRIC evangelist Jim O'Neill spent half an hour talking China at a Bloomberg conference last night.

China will have a "credit event" in five years, says Chanos; the Chinese economy will double in five years to $16T (the size of the U.S.), says O'Neill.

I can't really argue with being short the 'old' China," says O'Neill. Any slowing of the economy is being done deliberately in order to shift from a focus on investment to one on consumption. The "new" China will lead to investment opportunity.

If you think the macro picture in China is ugly, wait until you look at he micro picture, says Chanos.

Among the points the two agree on is mining - the industry will face difficulties. Those countries (Brazil and Australia come to mind) with exposure to iron ore will be in trouble over the next 12 months, says Chanos.

Brazil ETFs: EWZ, BRF, EWZS, BRAF, BRXX, UBR, BZQ, BRAZ, BRAQ, BRZS, BRZU.

Aussie ETFs: EWA, EWAS, KROO, AUSE, FAUS, Bonds: AUD, AUNZ, FXA, GDAY, CROC.

China ETFS: FXI, GXC, PGJ, YAO, FCHI, PEK, CAF, YXI, XPP, FXP, MCHI, YINN, YANG, TCHI, CHXF, KFYPHAO, ECNS.

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