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Norwegian Air removes Dreamliner from service, says reliability unacceptable

  • "The aircraft's reliability is simply not acceptable, our passengers cannot live with this kind of performance," Norwegian Air Shuttle says, removing one of its 787 Dreamliners from service after a hydraulic pump failure left it stranded in Bangkok.
  • In the mean time, Norwegian will lease an Airbus A340 to round out its long-haul service, a bitter pill for Boeing (BA) as it tries to bolster confidence in the Dreamliner which continues to suffer from a variety of glitches.
  • BA indicated the problem would be fixed in "a matter of days" and is working with the airline on a solution.
  • It would appear that Norwegian has a right to be frustrated — its two Dreamliners have broken down more than a half dozen times this month, Reuters notes.
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  • Deja Vu
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    The first mid flight fire on a 787 should settle the question of how the composites compare to metal fuselages. If the answer is not good, I can see Boeing as a $10 stock.
    28 Sep 2013, 09:37 PM Reply Like
  • JonBeGood
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    Boeing has a terrible PR problem here and needs to get it's act together. Heads should start to roll because of this!
    28 Sep 2013, 10:13 PM Reply Like
  • bdy
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    MAN I wanted to short BA for so long based on the horrid performance of the dreamliner. Massive delays in producing it and it is fraught with errors.
    28 Sep 2013, 10:19 PM Reply Like
  • BIG_BEN
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    Yet they keep getting new orders for it. They must be selling them for huge discounts to make them so irresistible. Maybe airlines will eventually switch to the A350 if it proves to be reliable when it enters service.
    29 Sep 2013, 08:36 AM Reply Like
  • thomas85225
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    Boeing Chicago Fire Sale
    One do nothing CEO that always MIA and Board Members (from GE) with the purchase of two or more 787
    One group of 787 lazy-Bee it’s not our fault workforce and there indoor club house the largest on the west cost
    For sale 83 787 with minor fuel leaks and battery problems and other still under factories warrantee with the Extend Warrantee Plan with Road Side assistance plan

     

    787 Low mileage, PS, PB, GPS, A/C, in seat passenger entertainment systems
    Engines: General Electric GEnx or Rolls-Royce Trent 1000
    Lithium-ion battery still under factories warrantee
    787 are Associate color and interior available
    Contact Boeing for more information
    29 Sep 2013, 04:27 PM Reply Like
  • ollenza@hotmail.com
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    Boeing is a proven company. All new airplanes have glitches, No other company has the tracks record of Boeing: B-18, B-17, B-29, 707 in all it's variants, 737, 747, 767, and the 787.
    S
    29 Sep 2013, 09:34 PM Reply Like
  • thomas85225
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    The Headline news does not support your comments

     

    Boeing 787 Dreamliner: a timeline of problems - Telegraph
    http://bit.ly/r5tulZ › Travel › Travel News

     

    The 787 was started on 3-28-2003 and only 83 aircraft has been delivery
    The 747-8 is two years late 2.04 Billion over budget and overweight, 111 orders and 52 deliveries

     

    The B-18 was a Douglas bomber base on the Dc-3
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

     

    The B-17F where build by Boeing, Douglas Vega aka Lockheed

     

    Northrop built the parts to turn a 707 into a Kc-135A

     

    The B-29 where built by Boeing operated plants at Renton, Washington, and Wichita, Kansas, a Bell plant at Marietta, Georgia ("Bell-Atlanta"), and a Martin plant at Omaha, Nebraska ("Martin-Omaha"). Thousands of subcontractors were involved in the project

     

    The 737NG are build by Sprit AeroSystems since 2005 alone with the 41 forward sections of 747,767, 777, 787
    http://bit.ly/19Sz74c

     

    The 747 super panels are building by Northrop up till 1997 then Vought now Triumph Aero structures in Hawthorne CA

     

    The 767 are built in Japan and finally assembly in Everett

     

    The 787 is final assembly in Everett and built by follow company see Manufacturing and suppliers
    http://bit.ly/PXuElX
    Japanese companies co-designing and building 35% of the 787 aircraft
    Note many of these companies where once own by Boeing like the Door center that sold to France

     

    Boeing is a proven company.
    31 GAO violation Boeing fine 31 billion
    http://bit.ly/Yvya0h

     

    Boeing's Secret - Businessweek - Businessweek - Business News ...

     

    http://buswk.co/OsfKIm
    30 Sep 2013, 11:12 PM Reply Like
  • JonBeGood
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    Boeing has proven nothing successfully with respect to the Dreamliner! So far it is not a reliable aircraft and has been a menace for acquiring airline corporations and their pilots and passengers alike! Why the stubborn defense of this now problem-plagued aircraft and it's manufacturer?
    30 Sep 2013, 12:15 AM Reply Like
  • GarryGR
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    Every 787 problem hits the news but without knowing how frequently planes have problems, in general, one can not know the context, i.e. how the 787 compares to other planes. I fly infrequently but have had a number of times where my flight was delayed or even cancelled, due to problems with an aircraft. Never saw a story about any of those incidents in the press! ;-)
    30 Sep 2013, 05:15 AM Reply Like
  • BIG_BEN
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    Were those brand new planes? Yes there is a lot of bad PR for this plane but a lot of it seems well deserved. Your brand new plane should not break down so frequently. It looks very bad for Boeing's QC process especially with the planes that were delivered without fuel filters installed! You would think there would be a checklist for that...
    30 Sep 2013, 08:49 AM Reply Like
  • edoug
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    It didnt' take long for United Airlines to throw Boeing overboard....they may still have them in their fleet but the pre-flight reel that used to gush all over the 787 was replaced in a NY minute with the last round of 787 glitches. Now it's all United employees talking about service (something I find precious little of in the domestic U.S. market...but that's another story). When this aircraft first came out I was excited to experience the aircraft myself, but now with nearly daily mishaps (wasn't one just diverted to Iceland today?) I'd rather be jet-lagged or have less entertainment options than be hours/days late or be on the plane when the "glitch" turns out to be something serious/life-threatening!
    30 Sep 2013, 08:46 AM Reply Like
  • thomas85225
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    July was a great month for the 787's

     

    1. Thomson Airways says Dreamliner forced to return to UK http://reut.rs/1bypESi
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    2. JAL 787 flight to Tokyo returns to Boston
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    3. A Japan Airlines Boeing 787 that left Boston for Tokyo,
    returned to Boston due to a possible pump problem, the company said, dismissing concerns of a new crisis for the planes.
    http://bit.ly/1bPC6x4-
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    4. Ethiopian Airlines 787 line number 44

     

    The UK Air Accident Investigation branch has published a Special Bulletin regarding the Ethiopian Airlines 787 incident at Heathrow last http://bit.ly/1bPC9sN-
    5. the same day another 787 at Heathrow had problem's

     

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    6 . On Tuesday, a Japan Airlines 787 returned to Haneda shortly after takeoff because of a problem in its deicing system.

     

    http://fxn.ws/1bPC9sP

     

    http://fxn.ws/1bPC9sP

     

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    7 . In the latest incident, the ANA jet was preparing to depart Yamaguchi Ube Airport on a flight to Tokyo’s Haneda Airport on Wednesday morning but the crew was unable to start the right engine.

     

    http://bit.ly/1bPC9sR-
    30 Sep 2013, 11:21 PM Reply Like
  • wdwelti
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    I helped assemble B-29's in Boeing's Renton Plant in l945 and have high regard for their products. I can't help but wonder how many of the 787's critics still look on ObamaCare as a successful new product.
    1 Oct 2013, 02:58 AM Reply Like
  • GarryGR
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    Despite their problems with the 787, they're expecting to order more of them. "I believe that the 787 is an incredibly good aircraft," Kjos said in an interview. "It's even better on performance than we anticipated, the fuel burn is lower." "I feel we have been extra unlucky," he said. (http://bit.ly/15M31EK)
    2 Oct 2013, 03:34 PM Reply Like
  • BIG_BEN
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    That probably means Boeing made a large concession to them
    2 Oct 2013, 03:41 PM Reply Like
  • thomas85225
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    The 787 has a lower fuel burn because its always out service and not using any fuel

     

    May Boeing could sell the 83 787 that in service to California Governor Jerry Brown to use as there bullet trains project
    cut the wings off and move the engines to the rear
    the first 500 mph train

     

    http://bit.ly/GAbhlh
    2 Oct 2013, 10:51 PM Reply Like
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