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Obama: No negotiations while government is shut

  • An "exasperated" President Obama tells CNBC there will be no negotiations on Republican demands as long as the government stays closed. "Negotiations now would lead to more demands ... I have bent over backwards to deal with the Republican party."
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Comments (105)
  • taxman100
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    All he had to do is agree to a one year delay in the individual mandate. You know, the same one he, by executive fiat, gave to his corporate donors, and union supporters.

     

    It doesn't bother me - the federal goverment ran a $5 billion dollar surplus yesterday!
    2 Oct 2013, 04:23 PM Reply Like
  • wigit5
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    unfortunately that 5B surplus came on the backs of those who least deserved to be denied pay/work...

     

    In general I'm all for starting over with the government it's obviously no longer working as intended by the founders... terms to long, pay to high, families ingrained, voters uneducated (and to lazy to get educated). It's a bad situation... billions of dollars in foreign aid when you have millions of homeless, sick/starving children of your own to deal with...

     

    Not to mention the gigantic war machine we feed... (not that i disagree with military spending in general but things like that s*** F35 program what is it a cajillion $ over budget now?)
    2 Oct 2013, 04:27 PM Reply Like
  • DeliciousWolf
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    Why should Obama negotiate at the end of a gun barrel? All John Boehner has to do is allow the House to vote. The votes are there from Democrats and moderate Republicans to pass the budget and end this stupidity.

     

    Instead, they hide behind procedure and refuse to allow a vote. Republicans are holding the budget, and the government, hostage to try and re-fight a 3-year old law passed by Congress, upheld by the Supreme Court and ratified by a general election of the people. And none of this delay defunds Obamacare one bit, it's currently fully funded. Give it up Republicans! They must be afraid of the will of the people.

     

    Why won't Boehner simply allow the Republican-controlled House to vote??
    2 Oct 2013, 04:44 PM Reply Like
  • American in Paris
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    There is no reason to compromise. Obamacare was passed by Congress and signed into law by a President who was recently. And the law passed Supreme Court scrutiny.

     

    In a democracy the responsibility thing for the losing side is to accept the law and move on.
    2 Oct 2013, 04:47 PM Reply Like
  • mobyss
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    You are correct - the supreme court upheld Obamacare based on the taxing authority of the government. Obamacare is only constitutional because it is a tax. The Congress regularly cuts taxes, and they are working on a tax cut in this case too.

     

    Do you disagree that Congress has the authority to raise or cut taxes?
    2 Oct 2013, 04:56 PM Reply Like
  • gwaterloo
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    separate but equal was once the law of the land, too.
    in a democracy, laws can be changed/amended all the time.

     

    if obama doesnt want to compromise, he should at least be forced to apply the law to everyone (no waivers, no delays for business)
    let everyone experience the law equally and if it is in fact as bad as many believe, the dems will be panicking to overturn regardless of obama for fear of being tossed out in the next election

     

    the republicans are playing checkers when they should be playing chess. it is a very stupid move on their part trying to fix the law, especially now. it will collapse on its own and take down those supporting it on its own if it is as bad as advertised
    2 Oct 2013, 05:06 PM Reply Like
  • taxman100
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    Actually, since the Supreme Court ruled it is a tax, it is unconstitutional. All revenue acts have to begin in the House, and Obamacare originated in the Senate. Therefore by the Supreme Court ruling it is within the power to tax, they should have also rruled it violates the Constitution.

     

    That being said, the lawsuits over that clear requirement will not go anywhere. We don't have a Supreme Court the upholds the Constitution unless it benefits the ruling class in Washington. That is whom the majority of them really serve.

     

    If you think this is causing those that depend on the Federal Government problems, just wait until they will not be able to borrow at ultra low rates. It will get really ugly then.
    2 Oct 2013, 05:07 PM Reply Like
  • labas112
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    Agree mobyss,

     

    To further the point, the bill was passed in the most partisan vote ever, and rammed through before anyone could look at it. The reason Obama does not want to budge, because he has nothing else to fall back on in his legacy. Without Obamacare, he has literally done nothing. He cannot lead, bad foreign policies, bad economic policies, etc, etc. He is probably one of the worst presidents behind ole' Jimmy Carter.
    2 Oct 2013, 05:09 PM Reply Like
  • chriff
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    Good thing the Supreme Court is devoid of constitutional scholars such as yourself.
    2 Oct 2013, 05:12 PM Reply Like
  • chriff
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    So you're saying that what the small minority (of the US population) of Tea Partiers is doing right now is better? At least more than 50% of the population voted for the guys who passed this law. Given a nationwide vote, the Tea Party would be happy with even 20%.
    2 Oct 2013, 05:15 PM Reply Like
  • mobyss
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    "At least more than 50% of the population voted for the guys who passed this law"

     

    Right - and in the next election 64 of them were thrown out of office.
    2 Oct 2013, 05:20 PM Reply Like
  • labas112
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    I am pretty sure the majority of the population does not want this, and something like over 50% of the states do not want it. The law has already killed employment. I careless about the Tea Partiers. It just does not make financial sense, and that is what drives my vote.
    2 Oct 2013, 05:21 PM Reply Like
  • into dark shadows
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    Spot on taxman100!
    No A.C.A. for the people unless EVERY member of congress and Mr. Obama and his family have to endure the new and unproven consequences to the greatest healthcare in the world.
    If its good enough for the people,
    it sure as heck is good enough for them!
    2 Oct 2013, 05:21 PM Reply Like
  • positivethoughts
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    Obamacare cant force doctors to provide service if they wish not to. No amount of 'democracy' can own another's labour.
    2 Oct 2013, 05:37 PM Reply Like
  • chriff
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    Then most came right back when most of the country realized that the Tea Party is batsh*t crazy.
    2 Oct 2013, 05:45 PM Reply Like
  • chriff
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    Greatest healthcare in the world? Maybe your delusional fantasy world. Far down the list in reality.
    2 Oct 2013, 05:46 PM Reply Like
  • Rousseau SC
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    It came not on the backs of the furloughed workers; as they will be paid for their time off work without it even being charged as vacation time. They were paid back-pay last time and I am sure Obamam and Congress will buy their votes once again.
    Unfortunately, there was no savings and will be none until Uncle Sam learns to live within his means.
    Kicking the can down the road is not a solution to the problem, but it is the problem.
    2 Oct 2013, 05:51 PM Reply Like
  • Rousseau SC
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    What a joke!!! If you had your healthcare administered by the IRS, would you consider that democratic?
    2 Oct 2013, 05:52 PM Reply Like
  • Big Bad Bulls
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    And all the Democrats have to do is to talk with the Republicans. Maybe some reasonable heads will prevail but you can't do that if only one party is there at the negotiating table. Remember, just because a law is passed does not mean that there can't be tweaking, changing and discussion of that law. BO has made several unilateral changes to it and the democrats never seemed to mind.
    2 Oct 2013, 06:06 PM Reply Like
  • varan
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    The best analogy I have seen is this: a thief, when caught stealing your car, wants to compromise and take the car radio instead, and complains that you are too rigid, and do not want to compromise.
    2 Oct 2013, 06:30 PM Reply Like
  • chriff
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    I am seriously trying to understand how the Republican-created idea of everyone buying healthcare in the private market is now somehow equated to the government administering your healthcare? If you got off Fox News for a second and looked at these exchanges, you are buying healthcare coverage from a private insurance company...and then going to a doctor. The IRS is only involved in making it more affordable. Not involved in the actual healthcare at all.
    2 Oct 2013, 07:04 PM Reply Like
  • chriff
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    Thank you for pointing out the ludicrousness of the "just negotiate with Republicans" talking point so elegantly.
    2 Oct 2013, 07:05 PM Reply Like
  • American in Paris
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    ???

     

    Your logic is weird: "Obamacare is only constitutional"

     

    Are you saying that anything that is not mentioned in the Constitutional is 'unconstitutional'.

     

    Sex is not mentioned in the Constitution. So sex is unconstitutional by your logic ...
    2 Oct 2013, 07:15 PM Reply Like
  • American in Paris
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    No reason to compromise. The majority spoke. They passed the law and it passed Supreme Court scrutiny.

     

    In a democracy there is no reason to compromise with a minority.

     

    Under your logic any determined minority, in this case Tea Party Republicans, can frustrate the block of the majority.

     

    What Republicans are doing is not negotiations, it is extortion.
    2 Oct 2013, 07:18 PM Reply Like
  • American in Paris
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    Taxman,

     

    Your argument is frivolous. Substance takes precedence over procedure. It was passed by both Houses and signed the President.

     

    Those who support these antics are simply anti-democratic. They believe they have the right to frustrate the rule of majority.
    2 Oct 2013, 07:20 PM Reply Like
  • American in Paris
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    Really, I guess that is why he got re-elected.

     

    His economic policies have been more far sensible than the self destructive austerity advocated by the Republicans.

     

    Obama has done extremely given the mess he inherited from George Bush, whom who probably supported in two elections.
    2 Oct 2013, 07:22 PM Reply Like
  • American in Paris
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    They don't believe in democracy. And they subject to their Obamacare is Communism. That is the way they think and they have held the country back.

     

    All developed countries except for the United States and guarantee equal access to good health care.

     

    And virtually all developed countries spend a fraction of what the doctor-pharmaceutical gang extracts from America.
    2 Oct 2013, 07:24 PM Reply Like
  • tiger8896
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    I agree with those that say why should Obama negotiate, it's the law, Obama won re-election and the Supreme Court declared it constitutional.

     

    If the Republicans want to overturn the law, wait until they get majority control of both the Senate and House and pass a law to dismantle it just like the Democrats were able to do to enact Obamacare.
    2 Oct 2013, 07:25 PM Reply Like
  • American in Paris
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    That doesn't invalidate the laws they pass. The fact is that your side doesn't have the votes to eliminate Obamacare. So your side subverts democracy and uses the appropriation process to engage in extortion.

     

    The Founding Father would consider your side to be traitors to Democracy.
    2 Oct 2013, 07:26 PM Reply Like
  • American in Paris
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    The polls show that 70% of the population does not support the Republicans on this issue.

     

    It is about time you guys stepped aside and allowed the Federal government to try innovative solutions just like the states for many years.

     

    Instead, you are determined to keep the United States behind the rest of the world where universal access to affordable health care in the norm.
    2 Oct 2013, 07:28 PM Reply Like
  • American in Paris
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    Well, Obamacare doesn't force doctors to do anything. So your point is moot.

     

    What do you know about Obamacare?
    2 Oct 2013, 07:30 PM Reply Like
  • American in Paris
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    Hey, that is incorrect. They will not paid for that time.
    2 Oct 2013, 07:31 PM Reply Like
  • American in Paris
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    Rousseau,

     

    Do you know what you are talking about? Obamacare doesn't select your doctor or your health insurance.

     

    Where is the infringement upon your freedom?

     

    Pray tell ...
    2 Oct 2013, 07:32 PM Reply Like
  • TF Wright
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    Slavery & prohibition used to be allowed. Were they settled laws, too?
    2 Oct 2013, 07:35 PM Reply Like
  • American in Paris
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    All the Republicans is follow the Constitution. Pass a bill nullifying Obamacare with 66% of each chamber of Congress.

     

    That is what the Constitution allows.

     

    The Constitution does not say that in the case that you cannot achieve a majority to overturn a law that one should act like a spoiled child and use the appropriations process to shut down the government.

     

    That extortion, not democracy.
    2 Oct 2013, 07:35 PM Reply Like
  • chriff
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    Innovative states like Massachusetts under Romney!

     

    The Republicans conveniently have been forgetting that Obamacare was their idea from the start, starting at the Heritage Foundation and being implemented by Romney in MA.
    2 Oct 2013, 07:37 PM Reply Like
  • American in Paris
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    Your side hasn't provided good arguments. Obamacare simply requires everyone to get health insurance. And uses the tax system to help those whose incomes are low.

     

    It is striking just how the extreme the opposing side is.
    2 Oct 2013, 07:44 PM Reply Like
  • varan
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    "Slavery & prohibition used to be allowed. Were they settled laws, too? "

     

    But they were not repealed by attaching a clause in a totally unrelated bill, especially something like a budget.

     

    Do you know any history? Why are you parroting the talking points?
    2 Oct 2013, 08:01 PM Reply Like
  • genomegk
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    Like it or not Obama did a huge service to all future presidents, including the next Republican president.
    2 Oct 2013, 08:02 PM Reply Like
  • Lakeaffect
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    Waterloo, I absolutely agree. If the law is so bad, it will collapse on it's own and bring down the sponsors along with it. All the Republicans have to do is stand there and say "I told you so."

     

    As far as the waivers and favoritism to business, unions and other cronies, the House passed a law which confirmed Obama's decrees which delayed Obamacare for a year. They did that and now are acting like it was only Obama who gives out the goodies to their cronies while sticking it to the individual.
    2 Oct 2013, 08:30 PM Reply Like
  • chriff
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    The Republicans who first proposed this kind of healthcare system, then tried it out with great success in Massachusetts?

     

    Not to mention, they have publicly said that the reason they are against it is that people will like it when it starts.

     

    "I told you so" won't work when >75% of Americans not only like the law, but are also furious at Tea Partiers for turning their democracy into an international laughingstock.
    2 Oct 2013, 09:39 PM Reply Like
  • Andrew Williams
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    Apparently the majority changed its mind.
    2 Oct 2013, 10:06 PM Reply Like
  • gatlingg
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    if you were old enough you would remember how contentious the passage of medicare was and that many of your remarks and the disparaging remarks of others posting here were also said at that time. That law didn't turn out that way did it. And everyone I know feels blessed when they turn 65 that now they have medicare to turn to instead of private insurance. And by the way there is no recognized statistical evidence that the law "has killed employment" (noise by conservative pundits does not count as evidence)
    2 Oct 2013, 11:21 PM Reply Like
  • Randal James
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    American in Paris

     

    You are spoiling the plot of my next book,

     

    The Ben Franklin Code

     

    - Dan Brown
    2 Oct 2013, 11:51 PM Reply Like
  • awakeinwa
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    Ntm how Republicans talk about how much they love and follow the Constitution it was was originally intended and constructed.

     

    Extortion it seems is now intended in the Constitution.
    3 Oct 2013, 03:39 AM Reply Like
  • BruceInKY
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    That would be "too" not "to" and it's an important distinction. Plus, "those who least deserved" is an easily refuted assertion, though I am feeling the pain and sharing the love of those furloughed shoe-shine employees.
    3 Oct 2013, 07:48 AM Reply Like
  • gwaterloo
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    We don't live in a democracy where majority always rules
    If it was, we would just have a referendum on every issue like in ancient Greece and the majority would never have to compromise

     

    The Founders set up our republic, which is what our system really is, with multiple checks and balances and the rules purposely allow a minority to have far more power than would be the case in a pure democracy

     

    The way Obamacare was passed was actually very unusual in that no legislation that important has even been passed without a broad consensus from both parties. This was rammed down with a single vote so it's only natural that the losing side will use whatever rules they can to oppose. The House is not a junior partner in government and Obama is not a dictator. Obama holds more cards but it doesnt mean he doesn't have to partake in the sausage making, which involves some compromising. On the other hand, I hope the government stays shut down. As long as my garbage is collected and the police are working, the federal government can stay shut down indefinitely for all I care.
    3 Oct 2013, 07:52 AM Reply Like
  • bearsforever
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    The real joker here is Obama. He has no concept of what it means to be president. His primary job is to be a leader who works with both houses and both parties to solve problems and keep the government running. Instead he is like a child protecting his favorite broken toy and letting everyone else suffer. He will undoubtedly go down in the history books as the most ineffectual president we have ever had.
    3 Oct 2013, 09:04 AM Reply Like
  • bearsforever
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    The House did vote and Democrats participated in the bill that they approved and sent to the Senate. In addition, as the populace becomes more familiar with the ramifications of 'ObamaCare' it will soon become known as the Unaffordable Care Act and will subsequently be overturned.
    3 Oct 2013, 09:17 AM Reply Like
  • positivethoughts
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    chriff, the Tea Party doesnt believe in what they say they believe in - limited government. They didnt support Ron Paul, after all. But, anyone who supports Barack Obama is equally as batsh*t crazy, dont you think?
    3 Oct 2013, 10:02 AM Reply Like
  • positivethoughts
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    'In a democracy there is no reason to compromise with a minority.'

     

    Thats why I dont support democracy. If one group can gain enough signatures, they can control the other group, and people like yourself believe it to be valid because of 'democratic rules'.

     

    100s of years ago, slavery was legal, and of course, had democratic support. Today, in parts of the middle east, honour killings are legal because they have the support of the 'majority'. During the second world war, Japan legally acted to in accordance with their own laws when they invaded and killed millions of chinese. They had the support of their democracy. In America, also during that time, Japanese internment camps had the legal standing and support at the time, as well. In Nazi Germany, when the Germans confiscated the Jewish businesses and assets, I am sure there was legal and democratic support for such behaviour too.

     

    I believe in individual, natural rights; not rights that can be 'given' or 'taken away' by a ruling class and their mob of supporters.
    3 Oct 2013, 10:08 AM Reply Like
  • positivethoughts
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    What's wrong with allowing people to participate in Obamacare at their own free will, not through the force of law?
    3 Oct 2013, 10:10 AM Reply Like
  • positivethoughts
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    Right. Not supporting central planning is holding a country back.
    3 Oct 2013, 10:10 AM Reply Like
  • Rousseau SC
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    American in Paris,

     

    It seems obvious to me.

     

    Obamacare was ruled constitutional upon the grounds that it is is authorized by the taxing power. When you consider the political actions of the IRS recently, plus their mission of increasing govt revenue, and the statutory provisions that deprive even the federal courts of any power to enjoin the IRS from unlawful collection of taxes, it is readily apparent that the IRS is the arm of govt least subject to any accountability to the American people. That makes it an infringement on the principle of self-rule which we call oersonal liberty.
    4 Oct 2013, 08:53 AM Reply Like
  • Budavar
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    Witnessed 50+ years of ups + downs.
    A 20% haircut overdue, in my opinion.
    Too many "gurus" are aping media adoration of WH =
    Some even overlook = not a few govt numbers are skewed
    1. For political advantage, until they are revised mostly DOWNward
    2. Even the formulation of numbers have been "cooked" - thus comparisons with the past numbers are no longer quite valid.
    Good investing to you ALL!!!
    2 Oct 2013, 04:40 PM Reply Like
  • Fear & Greed Trader
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    The "bear" anthem -- everything is skewed , its all been "cooked" , its all an illusion....

     

    Frustrated because they have whined during the 20% gain in the S & P this year and have been calling for a huge correction since feb .....

     

    The booked profits this year are hardly cooked, skewed or an illusion...

     

    Best to all !
    2 Oct 2013, 05:59 PM Reply Like
  • starboard
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    the 20 percent gain is artificially induced -- it will be overly compensated for during the next crash.
    2 Oct 2013, 07:36 PM Reply Like
  • Fear & Greed Trader
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    Star,
    We have heard that from the frustrated bears for quite some time now,, I suspect by the time your next "crash" happens the gains will be far greater than what we have seen to date... This secular Bull market is in its early stages and savvy investors will have booked plenty of gains along the way ..

     

    Good Luck !
    2 Oct 2013, 08:26 PM Reply Like
  • Ramadeva44
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    Those whom God intends to destroy makes them mad first.
    2 Oct 2013, 04:52 PM Reply Like
  • Bouchart
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    Pride goeth before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.
    2 Oct 2013, 05:34 PM Reply Like
  • varan
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    Don't be so mean to Boehner and Cruze. They are not mad, just misguided.
    2 Oct 2013, 05:58 PM Reply Like
  • optionsexpert
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    No reason for Obama to negotiate with these political thugs!
    2 Oct 2013, 05:07 PM Reply Like
  • warrenrial
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    Obama is from Chicago.
    2 Oct 2013, 07:01 PM Reply Like
  • gatlingg
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    usually when you refer to somebody as being from a certain place, you usually are referring to the place he was born, grew up, attended elementary and high school. Obama is from Hawaii, He attended college in Ohio, NY, NY & Cambridge, Ma. He eventually settled & worked in Chicago.
    2 Oct 2013, 11:33 PM Reply Like
  • blueskies123
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    The Republicans have bent over backwards and stayed up until the wee hours of the night to try and make this president unsuccessful. I personally think the tea party republicans are traders. They wish nothing more than to control and if they can't nobody will. Kind of sounds childish doesn't it? If you won't play by my rules, then I'm taking my ball and going home...huff...huff...h...

     

    Enough of the bullies-vote them out.
    2 Oct 2013, 05:12 PM Reply Like
  • warrenrial
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    Obama made himself unsuccessful.
    2 Oct 2013, 07:03 PM Reply Like
  • American in Paris
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    Is that why the Republicans can't overturn Obamacare?

     

    2 Oct 2013, 07:39 PM Reply Like
  • MechEngineer
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    More like he's got the US taxpayer bent over...
    2 Oct 2013, 05:16 PM Reply Like
  • BruceInKY
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    Lots of newbies carrying POTUS water on this thread.
    2 Oct 2013, 05:21 PM Reply Like
  • Hendershott
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    So SA is supposed to be a refuge for the tin foil hat, flat earth crowd?
    2 Oct 2013, 07:26 PM Reply Like
  • chriff
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    Unfortunately it seems like that too many times. Normal people have to fight back occasionally.
    2 Oct 2013, 07:38 PM Reply Like
  • BruceInKY
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    presumably people on this site know and understand more about the domestic and global economy than Dear Leader, but if you'd care to refute that by presenting evidence that Dear Leader knows anything at all about economics, I'm all ears.
    3 Oct 2013, 12:57 AM Reply Like
  • Bouchart
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    Obama is more willing to negotiate with the Iranians than with Congress. Always a good sign.
    2 Oct 2013, 05:27 PM Reply Like
  • chriff
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    Yay! We can all spread the politicians' meaningless talking points! How fun!

     

    There's been zero real negotiation with Iran by the way. Not even a handshake.
    2 Oct 2013, 05:48 PM Reply Like
  • CanadaPhil
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    Read: It is easier to strike a deal with the most extremist mullahs of Iran than with republicans of the tea party.

     

    I'll leave the conclusion up to you...
    2 Oct 2013, 06:16 PM Reply Like
  • American in Paris
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    It is not negotiation. It is blackmail.
    2 Oct 2013, 07:39 PM Reply Like
  • Andysud
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    Bouchart, if the hard line Iranian Mullahs are easier to negotiate with than the Tea Party Republicans what does that say about the latter? Not a good sign for the United States.
    2 Oct 2013, 07:44 PM Reply Like
  • Fear & Greed Trader
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    Enough of this Horses__t , lets get back to the bull market ...
    2 Oct 2013, 05:49 PM Reply Like
  • tclark13
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    Why wouldn't Obama take a hard line. These ploys typically end with the republicans looking like a bunch of dysfunctional chumps.
    2 Oct 2013, 06:26 PM Reply Like
  • warrenrial
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    Those who voted for him are the dysfunctional ones.
    2 Oct 2013, 07:05 PM Reply Like
  • American in Paris
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    No, the Republicans are the dysfunctional. They have turned into extremists the last several years.
    2 Oct 2013, 07:41 PM Reply Like
  • warrenrial
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    The Republicans are trying to protect what little is left for America that Obama has no yet destroyed.
    2 Oct 2013, 08:17 PM Reply Like
  • chriff
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    Tea Party/Republican motto: "While the US is trying to catch up to 21st century standards, we much prefer it go back to the 19th century. Preferably pre-Civil War."

     

    I am waiting for the day that the Republicans implode on their own stupidity and ignorance. Not that I think Democrats are great, but at least they don't act like 5 year olds.
    2 Oct 2013, 09:43 PM Reply Like
  • yliu54
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    Honestly speaking, there is really little room for republicans to compromise now. The president gives them no place to live now.
    2 Oct 2013, 07:59 PM Reply Like
  • easystreet4me
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    From the sidelines, all I see is an arrogant President, an obstinate Senate Majority leader, an ineffective Speaker of the House and a radical, left-wing agenda being stuffed down the throats of the American people. This weak argument that Obama won reelection so "the people" must want the Unaffordable Care Act just shows the unparalleled ignorance of "the takers" that voted for him.
    2 Oct 2013, 09:32 PM Reply Like
  • chriff
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    Because the Republicans ran on a platform of repealing Obamacare, in the Presidential, Senate, and House campaigns? And lost two, while losing further seats in the third, the House? Sounds to me like a pretty resounding democratic, electoral win for the law.
    2 Oct 2013, 09:45 PM Reply Like
  • wsguy9806
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    Weird because the law came out of the conservative Heritage Foundation think-tank. The current health care system is totally broke and this is a step in the right direction. The TP has no ideas other than to cut taxes on the ultra-rich and cut benefits from the poor - though some of them need to get off the couch. I would be a Republican if it weren't for these - well there is not a kind word for them.
    2 Oct 2013, 09:47 PM Reply Like
  • chriff
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    Yes, I would also prefer if there was a center-right party that advocated for smarter, smaller government without a platform of tax cuts to the rich and nothing for everyone else. Unfortunately, the Republican party has lost all hope of being that alternative. The Democrats even look moderate now.
    2 Oct 2013, 09:59 PM Reply Like
  • trollipop
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    This is much ado about nothing, part two thousand thirteen. Miraculously, a continuing resolution will be passed and we will revisit this scenario again. See you in two months.
    2 Oct 2013, 09:47 PM Reply Like
  • Qniform
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    I don't drink the Kool-Aid from either party.

     

    But it's sad when the President of the United States tries to jawbone the stock market down for political purposes.
    2 Oct 2013, 09:59 PM Reply Like
  • MisterJ
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    Bush was much more effective that way though, slumping the S&P 58% and killing retirement for millions of Americans. But hey, his oil buddies made it all big at the same time. He's the hero of their cocktail parties.
    3 Oct 2013, 01:22 AM Reply Like
  • jli5699
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    After paying over 10000$ a year for $ 7000 deducible health insurance while the deadbeats who didn't have any insurance got free medical anyway, I fully support Obamacare. As far as it being Obama's only accomplishment, at least it wasn't a 6 trillion dollar war that destroyed the lives of millions and accomplished nothing.
    2 Oct 2013, 10:43 PM Reply Like
  • andrewvancity
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    Boehner has him bent over backwards. Not good POTUS
    2 Oct 2013, 10:45 PM Reply Like
  • chriff
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    Boehner himself being bent over backwards by the tea party currently.
    2 Oct 2013, 10:56 PM Reply Like
  • Clayton Rulli
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    Only 40 more months of this torture. Think we will last as long as Obama's final term?
    2 Oct 2013, 10:57 PM Reply Like
  • MisterJ
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    Hillary will lead in 2016 and accomplish everything left over from the current president to make America great again like Roosevelt before. The Tea Party will go the way of the American Liberty League into the dustbin of history.
    3 Oct 2013, 01:27 AM Reply Like
  • chriff
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    One can only hope that this circus causes the Republicans to lose the House next year!
    3 Oct 2013, 10:13 AM Reply Like
  • taxman100
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    I will say one thing. Hillary would be a horrible President, but she cannot be as complete a total disaster as our current one.

     

    Simple Jack from the movie "Tropic Thunder" would be a huge improvement over Obama. The guy is in way over his head.
    3 Oct 2013, 10:26 PM Reply Like
  • chriff
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    He's also up against a group of people who only learned what the government does after shutting it down...

     

    National parks are operated by the federal government? The Tea Party is outraged they would close when they shut down the government.
    4 Oct 2013, 07:01 AM Reply Like
  • jaympatel1
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    American in Paris has facts, not talking points. I applaud your knowledge and wisdom.

     

    The problem with Obamacare is that there is not a public option. Why? Due to the Republicans need to remove it for the bill to pass. This benefits business. Everyone will get healthcare for the correct price. Being in the medical field, I hope that all of our people are taken care of regardless of their socioeconomic position in life. Currently, it is a tax on all of us if someone is served who does not have coverage, or enough money to pay for the generally overpriced process due to CYA.
    3 Oct 2013, 03:47 AM Reply Like
  • taxman100
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    It got ZERO Republican votes in the House. Why would they remove it to gain nothing?

     

    Facts are a bitch sometimes.
    3 Oct 2013, 10:24 PM Reply Like
  • BruceInKY
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    Over on HuffPo, a village is missing its idiots.
    3 Oct 2013, 07:30 AM Reply Like
  • genomegk
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    Yawn the ACA was passed by Congress, survived scores of challenges by the vocal minority in Congress, was upheld repeatedly by the courts all the way to the Supreme Court and the presidential candidate who vowed to repeal the law lost in a rout.

     

    Ironically those who support the "losing side" forget they voted twice for a president who had his own big government health care give away (Medicare part D) costing nearly as much as Obamacare, voted for McCain whose 2008 health care plan cost nearly 50% more than Obamacare and then voted for the man who implemented the working prototype of Obamacare. Time for the delusional GOP identity cult to stop fooling themselves.
    3 Oct 2013, 08:34 AM Reply Like
  • varan
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    All that the Republicans want is to please Rush Limbaugh by forcing Obama to bend down on his knees and beg for mercy. Obama is so inflexible that he cannot pay heed to even such a simple request for the sake of country and freedom.
    3 Oct 2013, 10:38 AM Reply Like
  • taxman100
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    Gee, for a government "shut down", nearly 70% of federal employees are still working. The put up a barricade at the local Army Corps of Engineers Earthen dam that hasn't seen a federal employee there but maybe two days a year. I plan on taking my kids up there on Saturday and have them help me move them as we enjoy some of the land owned by the People. You have to teach your kids early to counteract all of the liberal feeling-based conformity brainwashing they get in the government schools.

     

    It is all a dog and pony show to try to convince people that we still live in some sort of Republic, when in fact we live in a statist bureaucracy run by the Executive branch that has their fingers in literally every single event of every single second of your life.
    3 Oct 2013, 10:23 PM Reply Like
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