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  • DeepValueLover
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    ...and thus ends Boehner's speakership.

     

    Give it to Mike Lee.
    16 Oct 2013, 10:17 AM Reply Like
  • Alpwolf
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    beware of the JACK IN THE BOX...

     

    FILIBUSTER
    16 Oct 2013, 10:17 AM Reply Like
  • theo_rhetoric
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    That's about the same intelligence as a tea party caucus member - there is no filibuster in the house.
    16 Oct 2013, 11:47 AM Reply Like
  • Michael Nau
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    Well, the plan still has to pass the senate. I think a filibuster is unlikely, but Lee and Cruz can slow down its passage.....
    16 Oct 2013, 12:08 PM Reply Like
  • Jake2992
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    No, they can't. You need 41 Senators to stop it.
    16 Oct 2013, 12:32 PM Reply Like
  • David Pinsen
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    Cruz said he wouldn't try to slow it down.
    16 Oct 2013, 03:08 PM Reply Like
  • dbjn
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    death of the two party system -- We now have become a dictatorship.
    16 Oct 2013, 10:22 AM Reply Like
  • Michael Nau
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    If Obama had half the political power you think he has, we'd have single payer.
    16 Oct 2013, 12:10 PM Reply Like
  • Hendershott
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    Has to happen eventually.
    16 Oct 2013, 12:18 PM Reply Like
  • sbeardsley702
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    If Obama had that kind of power he would order genocide on his detractors. The anti-Obama hysteria is comically ignorant.

     

    This message was not brought to you by an Obama supporter, so save it.
    16 Oct 2013, 02:08 PM Reply Like
  • xamd
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    not sure who is dictating dbjn, but in fact quite the contrary it seems the US is becoming a three party system as the tea party people defacto seem to be a third party. Sounds good to me.
    16 Oct 2013, 10:29 AM Reply Like
  • varan
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    I repeat myself but why not.

     

    Tea Partiers! Please Proceed.
    16 Oct 2013, 10:30 AM Reply Like
  • spald_fr
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    Looks like the U.S. just got its EBT card recharged. Time to head to WalMart and the liquor store.
    16 Oct 2013, 02:02 PM Reply Like
  • sbeardsley702
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    You have a problem with the poor propping up American businesses?
    16 Oct 2013, 02:09 PM Reply Like
  • spald_fr
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    Propping up before or after visiting the liquor store?
    16 Oct 2013, 02:35 PM Reply Like
  • taxman100
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    Same old, same old. It's all a dog and pony show, only the Tea Party refused to play along. Since they actually tried to do what they said they will do if elected, the state run media demonizes them for not following the script.

     

    And to think I actually voted for McCain in 2008 - that year had to be the worst choices of any election I've voted in since 1984.
    16 Oct 2013, 10:57 AM Reply Like
  • Mattster
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    Right and when a party is elected to do healthcare they shouldn't be demonized for doing what they said they were going to do either. But when a party says they are going to take out the USA they do deserve to be demonized by every good and true patriot.
    16 Oct 2013, 11:34 AM Reply Like
  • varan
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    It's more than just heathcare they want to get rid of, given the recent Tea Party demonstration in front of the White House where not a single person objected to some idiot waving a Confederate flag in front of the White House.

     

    I hope the Tea Partiers continue to do what they have been doing so that their objectives become increasingly clearer to everyone watching.
    16 Oct 2013, 12:36 PM Reply Like
  • David Crosetti
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    Do you know why people bring Confederate flags to rallies?

     

    First, because it really makes liberal's eye balls bleed, which is always fun just in an of itself.

     

    Second, because it shows the hypocracy of the left, but having them focus on one guy and not all the other people there.

     

    Third, by focusing on the guy with the Confederate flag, liberals don't have to address the issues behind Obama care.

     

    I think it's funny.

     

    By the way, I checked out what Obama care would cost me in Mississippi. My premium for the and me on the "silver plan" would be $17,000 a year.

     

    Here's the good part. My out of pocket expenses will be $12,000 a year.

     

    No subsidy, because we "make to much money."

     

    If you think those kind of numbers are "Affordable Care" then I would sure like to have whatever it is you've been smoking.

     

    Just Sayin
    17 Oct 2013, 07:12 PM Reply Like
  • varan
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    I have nothing to add if you think that the Confederate Flag in front of the White House is funny.

     

    The answer writes itself.
    17 Oct 2013, 07:35 PM Reply Like
  • David Crosetti
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    Do you have any issues with Gay Pride flags? I don't. I think it's called 1st Amendment rights.

     

    People are allowed, in this country, to say things that might be offensive to you. I find the Westboro people to be very offensive, but they have the right to their opinions, don't they?

     

    Or are you against free speech rights?

     

    You seem to always go back to this "moral outrage" stance. What I did not say that I found the Confederate Flag to be funny. What I did say is I find it funny how liberals seem to get all up in a wad over a stupid flag.

     

    Dave

     

    Do you think that perhaps we need to curb people and suppress their rights of free expression?
    17 Oct 2013, 07:56 PM Reply Like
  • dnorm1234
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    > I think it's called 1st Amendment rights.

     

    The right to do some activity doesn't preclude my believing the people partaking in said activity are idiotic.
    18 Oct 2013, 04:06 PM Reply Like
  • David Crosetti
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    1234:

     

    Yes, we have the freedom to be as foolish as we choose.

     

    I find the Supreme Court deciding that "table dances" as being an expression of free speech is kind of funny, but hey, they can do as they like.

     

    We're on the same page here. We have the right to free speech that may offend other people. Preventing you or me from being "offensive" should not stop us from being "offensive."

     

    The bigger issue is taking one individual out of a large group and painting the entire group as "endorsing" one person's behavior. What some are doing here is dismissing the group because some jack wagon shows up with a Confederate flag.

     

    Really? Let's discuss the issues and not the personalities involved.

     

    Yu aren't implying that Gay Pride flags are offensive are you? I don't find them offensive at all.

     

    Dave
    18 Oct 2013, 04:22 PM Reply Like
  • Transcend Asset
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    So.... when's the speech telling us when the next drama begins all over again?
    16 Oct 2013, 11:06 AM Reply Like
  • Qniform
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    Amid all the dysfunction, does anyone actually remember that we MUST borrow to keep the government running? We MUST raise the debt limit just to keep current with "normal" operations?

     

    Is anyone here OK with using credit cards (to pay credit cards) which fund an unsustainable lifestyle? However crazy the TPs talk and however unreasonable their tactics appear, at least they are trying to do something. How else is it happening?

     

    No pain for us, though. Just send it along to our kids and grandkids.
    16 Oct 2013, 11:19 AM Reply Like
  • DeepValueLover
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    When long term interest rates are back up to normal and historical (~5+%) levels and debt service is costing Americans $750 million per year (and rising) then I bet, somehow, the left will blame the Tea Party...
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    ...even though this is the outcome the Tea Party has been trying to avoid along.
    16 Oct 2013, 12:29 PM Reply Like
  • Jake2992
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    Really, so why did the Tea Party fight tooth and nail to stop tax increases on the wealthy? They could care less about the debt, they use the deficit as a bludgeoning tool to exact their radical ideology of anarchy.
    16 Oct 2013, 12:38 PM Reply Like
  • DeepValueLover
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    Jake2992:

     

    What you believe and what is a fact are two different things.
    16 Oct 2013, 12:39 PM Reply Like
  • The Long Tail of Finance
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    So, will this rally last? Is it buy the rumor, sell the fact?
    16 Oct 2013, 11:20 AM Reply Like
  • Qniform
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    Yeah sure. What a relief. Things are great.
    16 Oct 2013, 11:22 AM Reply Like
  • cyrus trask
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    "So, will this rally last? Is it buy the rumor, sell the fact?"

     

    Good question. My guess is that any "sell the news" dip gets gobbled up in a hurry.

     

    Rally on, Garth !!
    16 Oct 2013, 01:36 PM Reply Like
  • Tile
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    What about the Coffee Party?
    16 Oct 2013, 11:23 AM Reply Like
  • Jason Burack
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    Yes. Things are good for another 6-12 months until they have to do this again.
    16 Oct 2013, 11:24 AM Reply Like
  • al roman
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    Afternoon looks interesting,with some Coffee.
    16 Oct 2013, 11:27 AM Reply Like
  • scarkmott
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    How does the Tea Party plan to pay the $5 trillion bill for George W. Bush's 2 wars? Or the money needed to pay to stimulate the economy which was heading toward a second full blown depression like the 1930's? Unfortunately all you Tea Party cheerleaders really don't know much/any history. And, by the way, it appears that business people are getting fed up with the Republican Party and will start funding the Democratic Party, as being the remaining rational party.
    16 Oct 2013, 11:32 AM Reply Like
  • Qniform
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    Don't you see that playing this blame game keeps us where we are? If you want to stay in this situation, just let congress hear you say stuff like this. They will then stay polarized and get nothing done.
    16 Oct 2013, 11:42 AM Reply Like
  • The Long Tail of Finance
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    Tea party tail is wagging the republican dog. How? Why?
    16 Oct 2013, 11:43 AM Reply Like
  • DeepValueLover
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    I don't remember Tea Partiers starting wars against Iraq or Afghanistan. Please link to some evidence thanks.
    16 Oct 2013, 12:31 PM Reply Like
  • Jake2992
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    In order to fix problems, they must first be identified. The problem is the Tea Party and their no compromise attitude.
    16 Oct 2013, 12:40 PM Reply Like
  • Deney_Terrio
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    "How does the Tea Party plan to pay the $5 trillion bill for George W. Bush's 2 wars?"

     

    That's easy... Start another war with an oil-rich, middle-eastern despot. But this time, we actually TAKE their oil.
    16 Oct 2013, 12:42 PM Reply Like
  • David Crosetti
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    Why do people keep going back to Bush's wars? I believe that Congress voted to allow both our involvement in Iraq and in Afghanistan. Or is that wrong?

     

    I think John Kerry voted "for it, before he voted against it."

     

    Bush has not been president for some time now.

     

    But, to some folks, he's still in office, obviously.

     

    Just Sayin
    17 Oct 2013, 07:15 PM Reply Like
  • financeminister
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    So now you know how to prop up the markets when there's nothing to back it up.
    16 Oct 2013, 11:43 AM Reply Like
  • varan
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    Having political parties with opposing views of things is good. That's what democracy is all about.

     

    What is not good is for one or more of the parties to throw tantrums like a child and threaten to blow up everything once it does not get its way through normal electoral processes.
    16 Oct 2013, 11:46 AM Reply Like
  • xamd
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    Agreed Scarkmott. There was an article just the other day that in fact Obama is the lowest spending president since Eisenhower. Yeah, Bushes two wars, and before that Reagans huge increase to the military. Always a pitiful laugh that the people yelling for a balanced budget are those spending the most.

     

    The sarcastically funny thing is also that the tea party accomplished what all the terrorists have been trying so hard to do and havent been able to do, shutdown the govt. Me thinks the Home Security police are chasing the wrong terrorists.
    16 Oct 2013, 11:53 AM Reply Like
  • taxman100
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    Spoken like a true Statist - anyone who questions the State or the Dear Leader must be an enemy. You would be right at home in North Korea. Thomas Paine should have been waterboarded.

     

    Homeland Security was established precisely for the reason you stated - to keep a eye on every person in the country, and "persuade" everyone to get with the program.

     

    Bush has not been President for over 5 years - that make Libya, Egypt, Syria, and Afghanistan wars that the current ruling class owns.

     

    That means Obama, not that it really matters whether he or McCain won in 2008 - both would have done the exact same thing.
    16 Oct 2013, 12:30 PM Reply Like
  • David Crosetti
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    I could have beaten McCain in 2008.

     

    Talk about a guy who has long lived past his usefulness. He was about as effective a campaigner as Robert Dole.

     

    Where do the Republicans find these guys? No wonder they can't win elections.

     

    Just Sayin
    17 Oct 2013, 07:17 PM Reply Like
  • Origa
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    This entire debate about the debt ceiling/shutting the US government Down, has to create another political system.

     

    A system where the speaker cannot block legislation.
    A system where simple majority 50,01% for a political win
    End the filibustering.

     

    I just saw on CBS 60 minutes, that one of your states has lawyers getting people on pension without a proven track record of being ill or in the age of retirement.

     

    Your country is in a BIG need another political system, and do not bet on Washington changing itself.
    16 Oct 2013, 11:56 AM Reply Like
  • CaladesiKid2
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    I agree it is apparent our country needs to change how we are governed. Simple acts like term limits come to mind. However, a 'simple majority' of mob rule seldom provides wisdom. Our Founding Fathers knew this and structured a republic form of representation - not a democracy. I fear we are entering a dark time in the history of our country. IF this portends the end of the Republican party as so many gleefully predict, then the free spending mentality that so many embrace will only accelerate the pace of our financial and therefore economic and social decline.
    16 Oct 2013, 12:18 PM Reply Like
  • Rhianni32
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    With all the derivatives and markets out there someone needs to find a way to make money off the amount of crying and whining babies do around here.
    16 Oct 2013, 12:14 PM Reply Like
  • moreofthesame
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    Well, now the end of the world is coming, the end of freedom and fairness to the American people, never mind the trillions spent on wars for oil etc. here comes the end of the end ...... obamacare!!!!!!
    Why would the republican party allow itself to become subject to B Movie type of reasoning and abandon any sophistication in their arguments, completely relying on meaning less propaganda, shutting down the government, threatening default which we all know wasn't going to happen thus jamming themselves into a corner from which there is no recovery.
    For What??? Are there Pharma/insurance corporations controlling all of their actions and decisions... obamacare MUST die so they can keep on robbing the masses no matter what... or is it truly the Tea Party not being able to see further into the future than a small child?
    16 Oct 2013, 12:20 PM Reply Like
  • Mark Krieger
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    now that this crisis is over with...what' s the next catalyst for the market?

     

    we might even see some selling on the good news later today...you know what they say..buy the rumor, sell the news.
    16 Oct 2013, 12:33 PM Reply Like
  • xamd
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    you talking to me taxman? I cant gauge your tone or even what you are saying. Its strange. But ok, if you are being sarcastic I missed it. But if not, im not sure how you call me a statist who would love it in N. Korea and then say the Homeland security was created for exactly the reason I said, "to keep an eye on everyone in the country". If you are serious about that and that is really their job, .... who belongs in N. Korea? I never said or think that was the job of the homeland security but if it is well ... they pulled the wool over my eyes, not to mention most peoples eyes. But I think we should abolish Homeland security anyway and save the country about 6 billion USD a year. Speaking of coffee, you must have had a strong brew this afternoon as I didnt say anything you said I stated. Now, who belongs in N korea?
    And wars in Egypt, Syria and Libya?? Well the US shot about 100 missiles into Libya at 10 million a pop, guess that could be called some sort of war, but last time i checked the US wasnt in Egypt, Syria, or Libya, at least not overtly. Man keep me away from the brew you putting in your system friend.
    16 Oct 2013, 12:52 PM Reply Like
  • Sir. Monaco
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    OBSERVATION: and so many people start to give congratulatory and conciliatory speech's.....

     

    ADVICE: don't count your chicken before they hatch
    16 Oct 2013, 01:12 PM Reply Like
  • David Crosetti
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    I agree. Sometimes the eggs aren't fertile and you don't get chickens, you get omelets.

     

    Just Sayin
    17 Oct 2013, 07:18 PM Reply Like
  • tiger8896
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    Those Confederate flags at some of the Tea Party rallies gall me. They're one step removed from George Wallace's American Independent Party who advocated states rights and segregation. This bunch it's Obamacare and immigration but deep down we know what they believe.
    16 Oct 2013, 01:20 PM Reply Like
  • Yorkville Trading
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    Not all...but unquestionably some.
    16 Oct 2013, 02:06 PM Reply Like
  • CaladesiKid2
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    Yes a few,perhaps. Striking how similar this behavior is to the Communist red flags being waved at government union meetings. Are we to presume that all union members are Communists?
    16 Oct 2013, 02:18 PM Reply Like
  • David Crosetti
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    The best thing about the Confederate Flag is how much it causes liberals eye-balls to bleed.

     

    Funny. I wonder if you're going to like the one in my back yard. It happens to be attached to the State Flag of Mississippi, but down here, we are pretty ignorant.

     

    Just Sayin

     

    PS: I wonder why so many black athletes chose to play football at Ole Miss? Interesting.
    17 Oct 2013, 07:20 PM Reply Like
  • SoCalNative
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    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
    16 Oct 2013, 02:02 PM Reply Like
  • Yorkville Trading
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    All in all, I think it's healthy that our government can have knock down drag out fight and the country continues to function. I understand there has been some hit to GDP, but no one knows what the real cost is going to be. The real problem, is that we will be facing the same issues in a couple months. If Obamacare does falter in the meantime, the fight will be even worse. The good news.....plenty of great trading opportunities to come.
    16 Oct 2013, 02:03 PM Reply Like
  • Nuke It
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    Canada's Tea Party is the Reform Party and they are now the Government. They changed their name to the Conservative Party when another party the Progressive Conservative Party wound up after Brian Mulroney decimated it.
    16 Oct 2013, 02:03 PM Reply Like
  • Loves2read
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    I think the point in taking the bill from the Senate is that the House can't filibuster it--
    think I read that Monday when Reid/Senate bill was underway...
    16 Oct 2013, 10:52 PM Reply Like
  • SpookyMay
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    It is refreshing to read a comment board with intelligent people that don't resort to ugly name calling or cursing. Being in Mississippi I can tell you there are too many people here that think Obama was born in Kenya and is a Muslim.
    17 Oct 2013, 09:03 AM Reply Like
  • varan
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    And apparently there are some in Mississippi who find it funny that some idiot waves the Confederate Flag in front of the White House (never mind that an African American family is currently living there). Some people down there have strange sense of humor.
    17 Oct 2013, 07:39 PM Reply Like
  • DeepValueLover
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    What exactly is the danger to the "African-American family in the White House" from ONE protester waving a gosh-darned flag outside of the gates of the White House.

     

    Seriously...WHO CARES?

     

    Why is one person's idea of whats offensive perfectly O.K. (Confederate flags) but another's NOT O.K. (Gay Pride Flags)?

     

    Can someone tell me who decides which outrages are acceptable and which outrages are not acceptable?

     

    I don't remember any previous generation of Americans being so into whining and being offended by everything that moves!
    18 Oct 2013, 04:23 PM Reply Like
  • David Crosetti
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    There are many people in other states that think the same way, though. Randy Newman wrote a theme album some time back, entitled "Rednecks."

     

    He has a very interesting song about race relations on that album. I grew up in San Francisco. One of the largest ghetto's in the world was/is Hunter's Point. But there's no racism in California, is there? So how does a place like Hunter's Point exist?

     

    I don't know where you live in Mississippi, but I live in a nice middle class neighborhood just outside Jackson. It's integrated and everyone gets along just great.

     

    There are a lot of people that seem to think that Mississippi is still living in 1964. They are sadly mistaken. But, keep on believing what you want. We prefer that people don't come here and turn us into another California.

     

    Dave
    18 Oct 2013, 04:29 PM Reply Like
  • David Crosetti
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    Why do you always want to misrepresent someone else's comment? This is a very interesting tactic for some people. It's called "deflection" and you are very good at it!

     

    The Mississippi State Flag has the Confederate Flag on it. Last time I looked Mississippi has a very large population of black people.

     

    But, why is it that liberals always need to pull the "race card?" If I disagree with a black man, does that make me a racist? What if I disagree with a white man? Am I racist? An Asian? An Indian?

     

    Why can't people just be able to disagree with someone, without some liberal calling it "racist?"

     

    Why is it that the only ones pulling the race card are liberals.

     

    In debate, when you have exhausted all your ideas, attacking the character of your opponent is a sure sign that you've lost the debate.

     

    Again, however, I did not say that I think the Confederate Flag is funny. I said that the way liberals get all in an uproar over a flag is what's funny.

     

    I take it you're not crazy about the "Don't Tread On Me" flags, too, huh?

     

    Interesting.

     

    Now I know that your practice is to enjoy beating a "dead horse" so ride on, my friend. Whip the dead horse. Your not going anywhere on it.

     

    Cheers!

     

    Dave
    17 Oct 2013, 08:04 PM Reply Like
  • varan
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    You are trying too hard to prove that you are not a racist, although no one called you one.
    17 Oct 2013, 08:30 PM Reply Like
  • David Crosetti
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    I'm not trying to prove anything.

     

    Why are you wound up so tight?

     

    You liberals spend a lot of time just bound up and filled with angst.

     

    It's not good for you, man. It will ruin your appetite.

     

    Dave
    17 Oct 2013, 10:28 PM Reply Like
  • varan
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    This is what an African American journalist thinks of the Confederate Flag in front of the White House:

     

    http://bit.ly/H6T9Pt

     

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    On Sunday, a group of conservative radicals held a protest in Washington. Eventually they walked to the White House. One of these radicals felt it was a good idea to wave the flag of slavery, treason, and terrorism in front of the home of America's first black president. Lone idiots are often drawn to protest action. The behavior of such idiots, while alarming, should not necessarily be taken as an indicator of the aims and thrust of the protest. On the contrary, it is not so much the behavior of the lone idiot that matters—but the tenor of the crowd around him.

     

    If, for instance, you witness a march against military action in Syria and see a Nazi flag among the protestors this should disturb you. But you would be heartened to see the protesters snatch the lone idiot in their midst, eject him from their party with great vigor, and give him some blows for good measure. The flag would still disturb you, but perhaps you might be able to see it as a fringe action, and not the heart of the protest itself.

     

    It is the wisdom of the crowd that matters. The wisdom that marked Sunday's crowd was the idea that the president "bows down to Allah" and needs to "put the Qu'ran down." The wisdom that marked Sunday's crowd was the notion that Obama was not the president of "the people" but the president of "his people." The wisdom of Sunday's crowd held that the police, doing their job, looked "like something out of Kenya." It's not so much that a man would fly a Confederate flag, as Jeff Goldberg notes, in front of the home of a black family. It's that a crowd would allow him the comfort of doing it.

     

    I was in a crowd once. It's been almost 20 years. But I remember most is how emphatically we were drilled, that day, on the politics of respectability. Our wisdom was conservative—too conservative for my tastes, frankly. But I obeyed the edict of the day which held that had any black man who came to the Million Man March and so much as stole candy bar would doom us all. That was our wisdom. It's a good memory. But I fear that it is no match for the wisdom of Sunday's crowd. The blue period is upon us.

     

    MORE: I don't know if I am effectively communicating what is wrong with that picture and why it is deeply infuriating. If a patriot can stand in front of the White House brandishing the Confederate flag, then the word "patriot" has no meaning. The Nazi flag is offensive because it is a marker of centuries of bigotry elevated to industrialized murder.

     

    But the Confederate flag does not merely carry the stain of slavery, of "useful killing," but the stain of attempting to end the Union itself. You cannot possibly wave that flag and honestly claim any sincere understanding of your country. It is not possible.
    17 Oct 2013, 08:36 PM Reply Like
  • David Crosetti
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    Why would you call a group, "radicals" because one person who may or may not have been a part of the group was waving a flag?

     

    Isn't this a little over the top? Just a little? I mean really?

     

    When the Occupy Wall Street gatherings had people being sexually assaulted, I didn't see much outrage. Do you think that because one OWS "radical" who was involved in a sexual assault should paint the entire group as a bunch of rapists?

     

    What kind of a "stain" was it when the colonials decided that they wanted to break their union with Great Britain?

     

    I remember fondly when I came home from Vietnam and took a bus from Ft. Lewis Washington to San Francisco and those patriotic Americans who moved away from me and sat elsewhere on the bus. I remember the guy who called me a "baby killer." Now, did those people on the bus and that guy who called me a "baby killer" represent the entire country? We're they loving peace-niks or were they the same kind of people like the modern liberals of today? So full of themselves and their own self righteousness while finding fault in others? I never did kill any babies by the way. Just guys who were trying to kill me. But, I'm a bad guy, because I'm wearing Army dress greens? To those people, maybe. But again, I don't lose any sleep over those people.

     

    Like my daddy used to say: America is the greatest country in the world. It's the people in it that are no damned good.

     

    Curious.
    17 Oct 2013, 10:34 PM Reply Like
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