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Boeing, Airbus debate seat width ahead of Dubai Airshow

  • "Boeing (BA) is proposing long-distance flying in seats narrower than regional turbo-props," Airbus' (EADSF) John Leahy says, referencing economy cabin seats in BA's 777X.
  • Economy seats on the plane will be "over 17 inches," Reuters says. By contrast, comparable seats on the A350 will be 18 inches. The extra inch equates to one less seat per row (10 in 777X and nine per row in the A350).
  • Ultimately, it's all about efficiency, as the 777X will purportedly carry 406 people versus 350 for the A350. As it turns out, the difference is a big deal, and sets the stage for what could turn into a testy ad war ahead of this month's Dubai Airshow.
  • Airbus contends that the extra inch "improves sleep quality by 53%." Here's BA on the matter: "It really comes down to providing flexibility to airlines and allowing them to do the things that they believe they need to do to be successful."
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  • Abigsoxfan
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    I'm 5'11" and weigh around 175 pounds. Seat width for me is not as much of an issue as leg room, unless some fatso sits next to me. Then they should either buy a business class seat or take the bus. More important than width, I wish the airlines would either provide more legroom or design seats that can't recline in coach. I'd be happy to give up my option to lean back knowing the jerk in front of me can't put their seat all the way back. The airlines should do a poll of their customers on this.
    3 Nov 2013, 03:52 PM Reply Like
  • MrKurtz
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    I can not agree further! I'm 6'3" and constantly am having issues with people in front of me trying to jam their seat into and through my knees. I simply don't know how to deal with them when they get angry at me for having long of legs. I've noticed that Southwest seems to be the carrier that offers the best amount of leg room. Too bad they are essentially only a domestic carrier. Though I care more about legroom than width, I applaud Airbus for putting a premium on space.
    3 Nov 2013, 04:13 PM Reply Like
  • Abigsoxfan
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    I think they should ask their customers. I'd gladly give up my right to put my seat back if I knew the person in front of me could not smash my knees or my laptop if I had it open by jamming back their seat. Come on airlines, ask your customers!
    5 Nov 2013, 09:09 AM Reply Like
  • idyson
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    I totally agree with Abigsoxfan. But equally as irritating is the fact that all the airlines have rules about the carry-on luggage and that they must fit into the measure box, but look way to large and heavy to me. Now I shudder to think what it will be like if 450!! people board a BA777 and how long it would take without these carry-ons versus with virtually everyone bringing what they call an "overnighter" on board to stow in the overhead compartment and how long that will take. The airlines should add their usurious luggage fees to the ticket and most people would accept that just as they do airport landing fees and other fees already being paid with every ticket. I personally find it extremely inconvenient and cumbersome, not to mention heavy to struggle with carry-ons, so I don't do it, but feel cheated when I see other people not paying the fee. I hope and wish the airlines would take this under advisement and listen to what I am saying as well as what "Abigsoxfan" said. Here is to hope for action on part of the airlines.:-)
    3 Nov 2013, 07:12 PM Reply Like
  • Abigsoxfan
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    I pretty much check all my luggage nowadays. Some airlines let people onto the plane early if all they have fits under the seat in front of them or have no carry in luggage which is a good thing. In my mind they should charge people for carry on and let them check for free. Certainly makes getting on and off a plane easier.
    5 Nov 2013, 09:12 AM Reply Like
  • RKRKAR
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    As I recall, after 30 years in the Boeing AirplaneStuctures Body groups, the Airlines furnish the seats, to their own specs. Thank you.
    Robby
    3 Nov 2013, 07:12 PM Reply Like
  • thomas85225
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    yes I agree
    airline can order they aircrafts with no interiors, just floor panels and side wall panels
    or a standards package like the 777-200 in 1989 that limited optional for the airlines ( similar to the 707,737, 720 in early in 1960)
    but Boeing is pushing the 17 inch wide seats that being reported in the press so the 777-X can carries 406 passenger
    Airbus want have a min of a 18 inch as the standard seat see

     

    http://bit.ly/1iMykp1
    6 Nov 2013, 08:44 AM Reply Like
  • thomas85225
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    Did Boeing just kill the 777X by offering a 17 inch width seat?
    http://reut.rs/1a1JHHL
    It bad enough to fly on a 737 with a 17 inch wide seats for 1 to 3 hours, but 12 to 20 hours on a 777-X with 400 passengers on board the aircraft

     

    A350 XWBs has with a generous 18-inch seat width.

     

    Boeing slows the pace on 777X

     

    Lars Andersen, the top 777 engineer who came out of retirement to act as consultant on the 777X, left the project earlier this summer, unhappy about a shift in the program.

     

    seattletimes.com/.../2...

     

    Note Boeing to make changes to engineering leadership | …
    Boeing CEO who is from GE has layoff 1700 employee and retire or move other in management , Bair, architect of 787 program, retiring from Boeing | Business ...

     

    seattletimes.com/html/...
    http://bit.ly/HkMgKL

     

    http://bit.ly/1a1JGmZ

     

    Boeing memo outlines plans for engineering work on 777X | …
    http://bit.ly/1a1JGmZ

     

    Boeing only offer the 787-10 and the 777-X which as been offer twice before after the A350-900 flew at the Pairs air shown
    The Airbus A350-900, A320, A330, Kc-30 and the A-380 are in production in plant once own by Boeing
    the 787-10, 777-X, 737Max, ARE NOT
    the Boeing 787-10, 777-X, 737Max will not go into production after after Airbus
    The 787-10 and 777-X and some of the 737Max will be build and assembly in South Caroline
    Boeing has yet to meet 10 787 aircraft per month, or fix its inspection process, Quality Control and Quality Assurance problems
    Boeing now has a class-action law suits
    http://bloom.bg/186aO26...

     

    Launch of Boeing 787-10X has implications on 777X

     

    http://bit.ly/1a1JHY2
    Qantas updates its Boeing 777-X files | Plane Talking

     

    blogs.crikey.com.au/pl...

     

    Is Qatar Airways serious about no 777-X orders?
    http://bit.ly/1a1JGn3

     

    Air NZ helps explain why the 777 isn't right for Qantas - Wings ...

     

    http://bit.ly/1a1JGn5

     

    Udvar-Hazy earlier this week said the 777X needs further “design refinements” before he would consider ordering the aircraft.
    http://bit.ly/1a1JGn7

     

    Boeing way of bring new aircraft to market is to take an old aircraft like the 777-200 & -300 that was design in 1989 and add a new barrel section and call it’s the 777-8X & -9X

     

    How many airlines will need a 777-X that can fly 9000 mile and carry 400 passengers that will not be readily still 2020

     

    The 747-8 has 117 orders and 52 delivery in two years, 2.04 billion over budget and overweight. that can flew 8000 and carry 467 passengers and production has been cut to 1.5 a month but world will need 870 large flightier over the next twenty years

     

    Boeing must keep the 777-X as a Code E Aircraft to be used at existing airports without modification and where is the folding wings, at that was offer in 1989 for 5 million and costing 5 millions
    http://bit.ly/16Rp9Q9
    http://bit.ly/1a1JHY8

     

    Air India and Jet Air has decided to sell five out of its eight Boeing 777-200LR aircraft owing to changes in market dynamics due to the Global recession, steep increase in fuel prices and poor yields on non-stop routes,

     

    http://bit.ly/19EVN8z

     

    Many airlines are not replacing there exist Boeing aircraft, since Boeing CEO James McNerney, and GE CEO Jeff" Immelt are members of the board on the Import-Export Bank that made better loan to foreign airlines at a lower interest rate
    Delta, and other Airline Group have file law suits against The U.S. Export-Import Bank over Air India Loan Guarantees
    http://bloom.bg/19EVNoT-

     

    Delta has already has orders with Boeing for 18 787s and Delta confirms plan to buy 109 Boeing 737s , Delta Air Lines said it will buy 40 more Airbus planes
    http://yhoo.it/19EVNoV

     

    British Airways Poised to Dump Boeing
    http://bit.ly/19EVKJL
    Singapore Airlines likely to convert orders to A350-900 & -1000
    http://bit.ly/19EVNoX-
    Lion Air orders 234 A320 Family aircraft
    http://www.airbus.com › Press centre › Press releases
    American Airlines takes first of its 260 Airbus airplanes on order
    rhttp://aviationblog.d...
    Airbus, ANA & JAL in Discussions For A350 Orders
    http://bit.ly/186aLmQ
    Air China Places Order for 100 Airbus SAS Aircraft
    http://bit.ly/19EVNp6...
    Airbus wins $7 billion Philippine Air order
    http://reut.rs/19EVKJN
    Airbus Said to Near $5 Billion Order From Mexico’s VivaAerobus ...
    http://buswk.co/1a1JGDr
    Vietnam, China airlines in $15.45bn Airbus orders
    http://bit.ly/1a1JHYg
    Boeing may miss the boat if Boeing does not offer replacement aircrafts Now

     

    Average Fleet Age for Selected Airlines see
    http://bit.ly/11BIrtb

     

    Boeing The Current Market Outlook see
    http://bit.ly/149p8n1

     

    Airbus Global Market Forecast 2012-2031 see
    http://bit.ly/11BIrJq

     

    The Boeing product line is out dated the 747 was design in 1961, 737 in 1966, 757 & 767 in 1972, 777 in 1989, 737NG in 1997, 787-3, -8 in 2003
    Boeing has yet to up date it assembly plant in Renton and Everett with automations
    What does Boeing need with 747-8, 767-200,-300.-400,
    787 (-3),-8,-9,-10, 777-200,-300 freighter, and -8X -9X , freighter all in the same oversea market and only the 737 for domestic market
    in 1997 the Asia and Japan Economy Recession cause Boeing not to build the double-decker 747-500 and -600

     

    Bombardier C-Series and Airbus is two years ahead of Boeing
    http://bit.ly/17lJUCw

     

    Boeing has yet to build the Yellowstone aircrafts
    http://bit.ly/WDj0WA

     

    3 Nov 2013, 07:27 PM Reply Like
  • compal
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    Shame on AB for kowtowing to the American's like lackeys designating aircraft seats in inches. Worse still this from the country (France) that gave the world a decent and logical measurement system. Almost 98 % of people on this globe think in meters and centimeters and haven't got a clue what 18" medieval thumbs are. Do that in America, but please spare the rest of the world that anachronism. Designate it in 46 cm and almost everybody on this globe knows its just shy of 0.5 m.
    4 Nov 2013, 01:20 AM Reply Like
  • Rope a Dope
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    Americans are getting larger both in width and height. Airline seating is getting smaller both in width and pitch. I am 6’3” tall and weigh 220 lbs and I check seat pitch when selecting airlines for long haul flights because I like to have just enough feeling in my legs when I land so that I can still walk. I haven’t previously considered width, but if the airlines begin to cut that down I guess that’s something I’ll have to consider as well. I have no problem paying for additional legroom (I maintain a yearly subscription for UA’s Economy Plus) but I refuse to pay 3 times as much for Business Class just so I don’t damage the nerves in my legs from loss of blood.

     

    I understand airlines are trying to squeeze money out of everything but they’re approaching the insanity of Ryanair’s suggestion of selling ‘standing room only’ space on flights. Hey, if you pack people in tight enough they can’t fall over; right?

     

    I remember when flying used to be a truly enjoyable experience. The only thing missing now are cattle prods.
    4 Nov 2013, 05:40 AM Reply Like
  • thomas85225
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    12 to 20 hours in a 17 inch wide seat !

     

    The airlines pick there Aircraft Interiors alone with seats

     

    what about the pitch of the seat ?

     

    this is how Braniff Airways when out business
    4 Nov 2013, 11:17 AM Reply Like
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