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Battery issue hits 787; Washington legislature OKs 777 package

  • A Japan Airlines Boeing (BA) 787 has experienced problems with a battery on a flight from Helsinki to Tokyo, although it didn't overheat or give off smoke, as happened earlier in the year in two cases.
  • The battery, which was connected to the auxiliary power unit, has been removed and is being inspected.
  • Meanwhile, Washington state's legislature has passed a bill to extend $8.7B of tax breaks and other incentives for Boeing through 2040 in an attempt to persuade the aircraft maker to build the next-generation 777X in the Seattle area.
  • The vote comes amid discontent among machinists over a new labor contract, prompting Boeing to warn that it could produce the jet elsewhere if staff don't approve the deal in a vote on Wednesday.
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  • strougo
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    Ba is our biggest exporter. Let's help them fly all around the world. Proudly with made in america written all over it ...and hopefully without not made in china assemblage
    10 Nov 2013, 01:56 AM Reply Like
  • growsmart
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    Pride is a cardinal sin!
    10 Nov 2013, 08:36 AM Reply Like
  • combie
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    It will not be made in China but Long Beach or the screwed up facility in Charleston is a real possibility!
    The Boeing leaders are driven by profit and stock holder value, and that is NOT the most important thing no matter what those leaders or the jerks on the floor of the market say!
    It is time for big business to start acting like the companies they were that made them great! Boeing has been following a Douglas mentality for over 10 years and as a company, they are a mess internally. They look good on paper because of pure luck in having lots of orders right now. But as we all know, that will dry up if the market around the world goes sideways again and Boeing will lay off thousands and the stock will drop like a rock.
    10 Nov 2013, 07:01 AM Reply Like
  • thomas85225
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    Boeing has plant in china
    the passenger to flightier mod center was there in 2002
    China will need 5300 new aircraft over the next 20 years
    http://bit.ly/1iXeqrb
    China did cancel there 787WBL for 737

     

    The screwed up facility in Charleston is a real possibility!

     

    Did you forget about Everett
    south Caroline is staff by management from Everett
    Boeing has sold off its union plant in Kent, Auburn, torn down plant 2, and 90% Renton is now a shopping center and move the work to Montana, Utah, California ect
    Now the IAM local 751 will vote on a ten years contact that is full of loop hole that offer less benefits
    (unless you can retire in 2016 at the age of 58) then the existing contact
    that still allow off loading work not employee to vendor and other Boeing plant out side the state

     

    The last contact the IAM got a 8% raise over four years then Boeing increases production by 50% so a negative raise!

     

    http://huff.to/1iXeqrd

     

    Boeing 787 was state on 3-28-2003 and ten years late only 98 787 has been delivery full of defects and workmanships problems
    missing O-rings and lock wire from fuel line, miss wire main power planes to name a few
    Boeing 787 Dreamliner: a timeline of problems - Telegraph
    http://bit.ly/r5tulZ › Travel › Travel News

     

    The 747-8 is two years late 57 delivery and 2.04 billion over budgets
    The FAA fine against Boeing Seattle are self explanatory’s
    http://bit.ly/1iXeszk

     

    Findings of FAA's special audit of Boeing factories
    Key findings of the special audit of Boeing factories by the Federal Aviation Administration, Dec. 1, 1999 to Feb. 11, 2000:
    Of 100 factory workers interviewed, only 25 were able to access and understand the requirements for work they performed.
    Of 125 products or assemblies audited for compliance with design, 55 did not meet design standards, 37 met standards but were not made according to plans or lacked documentation, and 33 passed muster unconditionally.

     

    The FAA has fine Boeing over workmanship issues
    http://bit.ly/1iXeszq

     

    Business | Findings of FAA's special audit of Boeing factories ...
    community.seattletimes...
    10 Nov 2013, 01:40 PM Reply Like
  • ivaralf
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    Thank you Mr. union boss for your "in depth" observations !
    10 Nov 2013, 04:59 PM Reply Like
  • RWMostow
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    Thomas85225-

     

    The next time you post, please proof read your comment before clicking on "Reply."

     

    It is difficult to give any credence to your comment because it contains too many grammar and spelling mistakes.

     

    Thank you and good luck.

     

    -rwm
    10 Nov 2013, 06:15 PM Reply Like
  • n403xv
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    " Boeing 787 was state on 3-28-2003 and ten years late only 98 787 has been delivery full of defects and workmanships problems
    missing O-rings and lock wire from fuel line, miss wire main power planes to name a few
    Boeing 787 Dreamliner: a timeline of problems - Telegraph"

     

    The B787 was not Ten years late, not by a long shot.

     

    It was announced and approved in 2003 and had its first delivery All Nippon Airways on September 25, 2011.

     

    The first delivery was delayed 40 months from the original promise date.

     

    Production rates in the beginning were only planned to be 2 a month with a ramp up to 10 a month over time. Obviously with the delays in launch, came delays in the ramp up of production.

     

    The production rate is scheduled to be up to 10 by the end of the year.
    10 Nov 2013, 06:45 PM Reply Like
  • TAS
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    Charleston is hardly screwed up.

     

    The non union labor force there is first rate, and more reliable than the union thugs who have taken Boeing for granted in Seattle for many years.
    10 Nov 2013, 10:29 PM Reply Like
  • TAS
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    And his grammar lesson.
    10 Nov 2013, 10:30 PM Reply Like
  • Withermania
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    Boeing...the best stock going. The 787 is the best plane going to market. Emerging markets and domestic fleet transformation will keep this company going for a long time. Trillion dollars in revenue on the books for the future and more to come. Buy buy buy
    10 Nov 2013, 08:23 AM Reply Like
  • TommyA1
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    BA is doing what in the best interest of the company which is the way our free enterprise system is setup. Its the most deep and diverse economy in the world. Airbus is setting up a facility in Mobile alabama, non union. BA is doing the same thing in Charlston. The govt and the unions through the NLRB tried to block it. Leaving politics and cronism aside, the govt. thought it was doing what is right. But, thats exactlly what happened with the car companies. Japan came in and built non union plants in the south and detriot auto companies stayed with the unions in the city and went bankrupt and bailed out.
    10 Nov 2013, 09:38 AM Reply Like
  • thomas85225
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    787 batteries
    Placing the battery inside a box is not a fix since there no cooling for the batteries

     

    No fire extinguisher alone with Halon 1301 can put out Lithium-Ion Batteries fire

     

    Dangers of Lithium-Ion Batteries Aboard Aircraft
    http://bit.ly/1a917oJ

     

    see flight 6, UPS 747-400F crash
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

     

    Possible Solutions for the Battery Problem on the Boeing 787
    http://bit.ly/XRkSJl
    http://bit.ly/13CNkzD

     

    It took the Boston Airport Fire Department 90 min and 50 Fire Flightier and Fire Trucks to put out the fire and that was on the ground
    Boeing is paying late fee, performances short fee, the lost of profit to airlines for grounding for all the problems with 787

     

    In the past aircraft have used bleed air cooling but for their LRU, the 787 is using LIQUID COOLING and I have yet to see any liquid coolant lines going to the lithium-ion battery, or vent or drain tune or fire deflection on the aft battery or a fire proof LRUs battery box that been that requirement for the last 30 years!

     

    In 2007 The FAA the US Federal Aviation Administration voiced its concerns about the use of lithium ion batteries and proposed special condition for 787-8.
    DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, Federal Aviation Administration, 14 CFR Part 25
    [Docket No. NM375 Special Conditions No. 25-07-10-SC]

     

    http://bit.ly/XIE7CV
    http://bit.ly/SUcj0B

     

    Airbus, Cessna, Gulf Stream will not use Ion battery
    Boeing and NTSB have known about Lithium-ion battery in 2007 when a Cessna Citation CJ4 Citations catch fire and the FAA issued an emergency AD, without all the herding ect and the month of delays to remove the Lithium-ion battery

     

    http://fxn.ws/YQ87es
    http://trib.in/13rk0zW

     

    The New York Times is calling for a investing into Boeing and FAA since they knew about the problems before the batteries fire

     

    787-battery-eggs-all-i...
    http://bit.ly/YQ87ew

     

    The 787 has yet to make any profit for Boeing ,
    Boeing must sell 1100 787 aircraft to brake ever and that was before the grounding
    Boeing stated is would assemble one 787 every three days

     

    Boeing is being sue over fault and misleading claims over the 787 programs
    http://bloom.bg/19EVKtn...

     

    The 787 was started on 3-28-2003 and ten years later only 89 787 has been delivery Boeing has yet to meet rate of 10 787 per months and the 747-8 has 111 order and 52 delivery and is two years late
    Boeing must sell 1100 787 to break ever and that was before all the late delivery and the grounding problems, The airlines now want compensation for.
    787 Break Even for Dummies | The Blog by Javier
    theblogbyjavier.com/20...

     

    July 2013 was a great month for the 787's

     

    1. Thomson Airways says Dreamliner forced to return to UK http://reut.rs/1bypESi
    2. JAL 787 flight to Tokyo returns to Boston
    3. A Japan Airlines Boeing 787 that left Boston for Tokyo, returned to Boston due to a possible pump problem, the company said, dismissing concerns of a new crisis for the planes.
    http://bit.ly/1bPC6x4-
    4. Ethiopian Airlines 787 line number 44
    The UK Air Accident Investigation branch has published a Special Bulletin regarding the Ethiopian Airlines 787 incident at Heathrow last Friday at http://bit.ly/1bPC9sN-
    note a 2nd 787 on the same day at Heathrow had problems too but when under report by the press
    5 . On Tuesday, a Japan Airlines 787 returned to Haneda shortly after takeoff because of a problem in its deicing system. http://fxn.ws/1bPC9sP
    ttp://fxn.ws/1bPC9sP
    6 . In the latest incident, the ANA jet was preparing to depart Yamaguchi Ube Airport on a flight to Tokyo’s Haneda Airport on Wednesday morning but the crew was unable to start the right engine.
    http://bit.ly/1bPC9sR-
    The 787 program was started on 3-28-2003 and 10 years later, there only 98 787 are in service
    10 Nov 2013, 09:57 AM Reply Like
  • thomas85225
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    BA is doing what in the best interest of the company which is the way our free enterprise system is setup.

     

    Boeing is now run by GE the CEO and some of the board are from GE
    I call it Racketeering under the RICO act!
    Tax payers are not Boeing stock holders and ALL money to Boeing should be a Bond issues!
    Boeing is no longer American company but Multination Corporation the build 70% of commercial aircraft’s in 70 counties and 25 states
    The Washington state Senate on Saturday passed a measure to extend nearly $9 billion in tax breaks for Boeing through 2040 in an embattled effort to entice the company to locate production of its newest jet, the 777X, in the Seattle area
    http://bit.ly/1hxnHuN
    Democrat, called the session to seek roughly $8 billion in tax breaks, a streamlined permitting process for Boeing and $10 billion in funding for transportation improvements. For the Seattle area to win the coveted work,
    http://yhoo.it/1hxnGH6
    26 Billions of tax payer money! And Boeing CEO got 27 millions and Ray Conner get 60,000 share of stock is the new 777-X going go to be made out Gold with a golf course on the roof with employee parking
    Boeing has sold off its Union plant in Washington state and Kansas and move production to Montana, Utah, California, Arizona, Texas, south Caroline and oversea to name a few
    Boeing is be supported by tax break by the government of Washington state, south Caroline and the Federal government and tax payer money that should be a Bond issues since tax payer are not Boeing stock holders
    All Boeing commercial program are now Risk-Sharing Program see Manufacturing and suppliers at http://bit.ly/PXuElX
    Non union state is an incorrect statement, that the press always get this statement wrong, the correct term is Right to Work State, are in the southern state or Employee AT Will are in northern states
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
    http://bit.ly/1hxnGH8
    http://bit.ly/15rTmo2
    Right to work to state does not Union, or people belonging to a union
    Boeing has union plants in right to work state
    Lockheed in Fort Worth Texas is a union shop
    There 300 aerospace companies in Washington state how many are union!
    The IAM was FIRED as the union in south Caroline for non performance and in 2011 the IAM file a complaint with NRLB, Boeing has been off loading since 1943 and 70% of Boeing has been off loaded and how many lawsuits has the IAM file since 1943!
    Off loading is not illegal, but the IAM has given Union job always to supplier
    During the last strike the IAM memberships took a one payment of $5900 to drop all lawsuits over off loading the current contact that will voted on 11-14 allow offloading and using Boeing plant in other state is not off loading!
    Only 35% of Boeing is union 20% IAM, 13% Speea, 2% UAW
    UAW represents Boeing in Long Beach California and Philadelphia
    The IAM only represent Boeing in Washington State, MO, OR, Kansas
    AZ, Fl, TX, OK. PA, TX, AL, LA, SC, China and Canada are non union, alone with most of the300 aerospace suppliers in Washington State
    During the last strike the Union got its memberships an 8% raise of four years then Boeing increases production by 50% so the IAM 8% rise became negative raise
    IAM has give always union jobs to vendors that now does the work or provide a service to the shop in Everett and Renton
    The IAM was FIRED as the union in south Caroline for non performance http://bit.ly/Z0cDKX
    In the late 1980’s or early 1990 the IAM sue Boeing over off loading ( the IAM has never file lawsuit against the 70% of job that been move out of Washington state and lost and then the IAM strike a ago the IAM went on strike to stop outsourcing that Boeing had been done since 1943 Boeing and the IAM agree that the IAM would have first chance to bid on the parts being out source
    This would required the IAM to become a supplier to Boeing and buy the machinery and the building from Boeing and become a union hall and hire worker, this never happen but the membership did sign the contact anyway!
    Boeing want a no strike clause for the 787 program and when the IAM refuse Boeing place the 787 2nd assembly line up for bid, 88 cities responded to Boeing request, Vought won the bid and Vought build the south Caroline plant with tax breaker from the south Caroline taxpayer
    Only 35% of Boeing is union 20% IAM, 13% Speea, 2% UAW
    UAW represents Boeing in Long Beach California and Philadelphia
    The IAM only represent Boeing in Washington State, Missouri, Oregon, and Kansas
    There are about 300 aerospace company in Washington state how many are union?
    http://bit.ly/1hxnHuT

     

    AZ, Fl, TX, OK. PA, TX, AL, LA, SC, China and Canada are not represented by a union
    Boeing Southern California location, Huntington Beach, Seal Beach, Edward Air Force Base, Vandenberg Air Force Base are not represents by a union
    The Speea only represent Boeing in Washington State, Spirit Aero Systems Kansas, Oregon, Boeing Kansas still 2013, Palmdale California and its population of Jack Rabbits and Coyotes at plant 42 sites 1
    Speea and IAM has yet to organize other Boeing location in Alabama, Arizona, Florida, Illinois, Missouri, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, (Texas has been sold to BAE which as move the division to Mexico) San Antonio Texas ect
    The last IAM contact the membership took a onetime payment of $5900 to drop all lawsuits over out sourcing that Boeing has Boeing doing since 1943
    Starting with the 787 program, Boeing commercial aircraft are now RISK SHAVING program where the vendor builds all the parts that ship to Boeing for finally assembly
    Carolyn Corvi Boeing vice president and general manager of Airplane Production 737 and 757 see http://bit.ly/117FyNU
    has sold off its manufacturing infrastructure of Boeing to Sprit AeroSystems, Triumph Aero structures - Vought Aircraft Division alone with The government of Japan has 35% of the 787 see Manufacturing and suppliers at http://bit.ly/PXuElX
    Boeing has sold off Kent, Auburn, torn down plant 2, Renton was damage by the 2002 earth quick and not rebuild and is now 90% a shopping center, Frederickson will move to Utah

     

    Once again there is no language to prohibit and 2nd assembly outside the state of Washington at other Boeing location not cover by the IAM local 751 contact
    Boeing ask the IAM local 751 for a no strike clause for the 787 and the IAM refuse Boeing issues an RFP and 88 city responded to Boeing request for 787 2nd assembly line that Vought aircraft won
    Lodge 70 located in Wichita, Ks. give Boeing an 8 years contact and Boeing will close the plant this year, Sprit AeroSystems was sold off in 2005
    Boeing has told state government of California, Kansas, and Texas that there would always have a contact in there state
    Long beach CA, 'San Antonio Texas and large enough to assembly the 787-10 and 777-X or have a 2nd assembly line
    Boeing has yet to modernize its factories with automation to meet the world need of 35,000 new aircraft over the next twenty years
    Boeing has lay off 1700 employee and in Washington and move jobs to Utah, Montana, California, south Caroline to name a few and south Caroline is hiring 2000 workers
    The 787-8,-9-10 will be build and assembly south Caroline, alone with parts and sub-assembly of the 737MAX
    South Caroline has 480 feet wide assembly bay, Climate Control Factors, clear room, composite equipments and auto clay for the composite equipment that Everett does not have ! will Boeing build a state of art building to assembly 777-X like south Caroline
    Speea has allow non-American with H1B vista to work at Boeing, Speea has allow Boeing employee to be replace with contactors, Speea has rewritten jobs descriptions to benefit Boeing
    During the last IAM contract the IAM membership took a onetime payment of $5900 to drop all lawsuits over off loading that Boeing has been doing since 1943 with the B-17F
    Boeing has been sending design packages outside that state of Washington State since the being of the 787 program
    Each contact the member has lost ground and Washington State only 30% of Boeing left to off loaded
    An drive around Renton should be self explanatory, what a great job the union have done.
    10 Nov 2013, 12:25 PM Reply Like
  • 2puttwo
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    thomas85225- you made one, very critical mistake in your thought provoking replies - even Boeing is smart enough not to allow their employees to park their cars next to golf courses. Please give me twenty reasons why you think they are.
    10 Nov 2013, 01:52 PM Reply Like
  • thomas85225
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    DO NOT WASTE MY TIME
    Boeing has lay off 1700 employee this years and sold off Kent, Auburn, torn plant 2, Renton is 90% a shopping center, sold off it Manufacturing Capabilities, to other companies
    Boeing is moving production not its worker to Utah, Montana, California Arizona, Texas, south carlone to name a few

     

    OLYMPIA — It’s a wrap. The Legislature on Saturday afternoon approved extending tax incentives worth more than $8 billion for Boeing until 2040.
    http://bit.ly/HLz4PT

     

    Washington Governor Jay Inslee, a Democrat, called the session to seek roughly $8 billion in tax breaks, a streamlined permitting process for Boeing and $10 billion in funding for transportation improvements.
    http://bit.ly/HLz56b

     

    All this for one 777X production building of 1.5 million square feet
    for 27 Billions of taxpayer money is this building make for gold is there employee parking and golf course on the roof
    For 350 millions Boeing could buy a 747-8 and fly employee to south Caroline and the save the tax payer 27 billions

     

    south Caroline has 1100 area of land, 480 feet wide assembly bay, Climate control, clean room, composite equipment and auto clay that up and running paid for south Caroline taxpayer
    for the 787 program, subassembly of the 737MAX

     

    The 777-X is not official program
    how many airlines will need a 777-X that carry 400 passenger 9000 miles
    when would the 777-X re ready 2024?

     

    Boeing Everett has only sold 112 747-8 and delivery 57 in the last two years and only delivery 98 787 in ten years

     

    Qatar Airways serious about no 777-X orders? | Plane Talking

     

    blogs.crikey.com.au/.....
    Air NZ helps explain why the 777 isn't right for Qantas - Wings ...

     

    http://bit.ly/1a1JGn5

     

    Udvar-Hazy earlier this week said the 777X needs further “design refinements” before he would consider ordering the aircraft.

     

    http://bit.ly/1a1JGn7
    10 Nov 2013, 03:49 PM Reply Like
  • TAS
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    I would love to be on the other side of trades with this guy :)
    10 Nov 2013, 10:32 PM Reply Like
  • al roman
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    You do not park next to gulf course or these kind of things can happen.
    10 Nov 2013, 07:42 PM Reply Like
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