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NHTSA reaffirms 5-star rating on Tesla's 2014 Model S

  • Tesla Motors (TSLA) shares tick up 0.7% AH after the NHTSA reaffirms its 5-star rating on the 2014 Model S overall and in all subcategories. The rating is once again the highest in America.
  • Meanwhile, the agency is conducting a review of the Model S after fires started when drivers struck metal debris in Tennessee and Washington.
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  • Water Brothers Financial Co...
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    Is SA now touting this co.? That rating is shared with many others. Some of those companies actually make money.
    23 Dec 2013, 06:28 PM Reply Like
  • justsayingit
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    What is your point? This is still newsworthy to investors (long and short) and non-investors.
    23 Dec 2013, 07:04 PM Reply Like
  • David at Imperial Beach
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    No other car maker can claim to have had zero injuries or fatalities to its drivers and passengers. It may be unfamiliar to you, but growth companies typically reinvest their cash flow as Tesla is doing. It actually has one of the highest gross profits of any car maker.
    23 Dec 2013, 08:18 PM Reply Like
  • William Ford
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    I'd like to know how the Germans can assess the fires so quickly, yet the NHTSA, can't and then the NHTSA makes a feeble reaffirmation.
    Are they at the NHTSA for real or smoking medical mj?
    23 Dec 2013, 10:36 PM Reply Like
  • tommyt23
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    This could result in another short squeeze, I wonder if Water bros is short.
    23 Dec 2013, 10:54 PM Reply Like
  • Reel Ken
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    `Hi david,

     

    Let's take this in two parts:

     

    First...Deaths. FALSE. There was a recent study that covered auto deaths over a four year period,by model . There were a number of cars that had ZERO deaths. Keep in mind that this covers more units over a longer period of time than "S". Also "S" was not included,, as it didn't have sufficient history.

     

    Second....Injuries. There is no data that has ever been released that shows injuries by car model. I doubt that any car model has ever had no injuries, including "S". If you have evidence that no one in an "S" ever experienced an injury, I'd love to see it. Without supplying that study, your claim is just anecdotal, at best, and without any merit at worse.
    24 Dec 2013, 07:43 AM Reply Like
  • JRP3
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    Ken,
    Actually his first statement was true, read it again:

     

    "No other car maker can claim to have had zero injuries or fatalities to its drivers and passengers."

     

    He did not say car model, he said car maker. They may indeed have models in which no one has died but if they had other models in which deaths have occurred his statement is correct.

     

    Second, it would actually be up to you to prove injuries occurred, but I can tell you that his statement is not accurate. I believe Tesla's actual statement on injuries is no serious or permanent injuries have occurred.
    24 Dec 2013, 09:24 AM Reply Like
  • Reel Ken
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    Hi JRP,

     

    His statement is true only if "S" had no injuries.That part of the claim is unsupported. Of course, if some back-up data could be provided, it would make his statement true. Until then, it is just conjecture.

     

    If we look to manufacturers, rather than models, one must also factor in the Roadster, which has not been tested by NHTSA.

     

    Your last sentence is laughable. It is never up to the "audience" to disprove a statement. If someone makes a claim, then the burden of proof is on them.

     

    If your reasoning was proper, I could simply state "Their have been numerous injuries" and now the burden shifts back to him to prove that my statement is false. That's just not the way it works.
    24 Dec 2013, 10:10 AM Reply Like
  • JRP3
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    You're correct regarding injuries, so yes in totality his first statement is false. I messed up.

     

    I'll also agree with your other point on the burden of proof. We can say that there is no evidence of anyone ever dying or suffering a permanent injury in any Tesla vehicle. Ultimately I'm sure both will happen at some point, but I'm also sure it's going to be statistically lower than most other vehicles, if not all.
    24 Dec 2013, 05:06 PM Reply Like
  • Reel Ken
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    HI JRP,

     

    Have a Merry Christmas and let's all hope that injuries and deaths will bypass Tesla owners and everyone else.
    24 Dec 2013, 06:17 PM Reply Like
  • JRP3
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    It will catch all of us eventually ;-)
    25 Dec 2013, 11:12 AM Reply Like
  • Reel Ken
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    Nice to see it get straight 5star. It is certainly a safe car.

     

    Just so everyone doesn't go hog wild about ".. highest in America.." , the statement does not mean it is higher than all other cars.

     

    There are many cars (Cadillac, BMW, AUDI, etc.) that also got 5stars in all categories (highest in America).

     

    So, it is one of the safest.
    23 Dec 2013, 06:40 PM Reply Like
  • ffinder
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    Yeah but none of them broke the
    NHTSA testing machine :^)

     

    http://1.usa.gov/W5DDrS

     

    ff
    23 Dec 2013, 06:43 PM Reply Like
  • Reel Ken
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    Yep, but "S" is seriously lacking in Safety Technology that helps avoid crashes (http://1.usa.gov/1gczD1S. )

     

    Guess it's all a matter of what's important to you .... avoiding an accident or surviving 4 cars landing on your roof..
    23 Dec 2013, 07:40 PM Reply Like
  • Joe E Coyotee
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    If accidents could be avoided , we would not be having this discussion , I'll take the Tesla .
    23 Dec 2013, 08:56 PM Reply Like
  • Reel Ken
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    Hi Joe,

     

    If you honestly believe that accidents can't be avoided, then there is no discussion.
    23 Dec 2013, 09:19 PM Reply Like
  • awakeinwa
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    if the tradeoff is between avoiding some crashes vs enabling the safest car structure possible that withstands crashes from all sides avoiding a paul walker like demise, i will take the latter, thanks.
    24 Dec 2013, 01:35 AM Reply Like
  • Reel Ken
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    Hi awakeina,

     

    Certainly your choice, but you forgot the one about the safest car WITH the avoidance technology.

     

    There is no data, whatsoever, that indicates that "S" is any safer than the other cars that also got all 5Stars.

     

    The "S" being the "safest car" is simply a myth started by Tesla and propagated. They simply took "one of several safest", messaged the meaning of the NHSTA tests, and ran with the exaggeration.
    24 Dec 2013, 07:21 AM Reply Like
  • Stephen Tips
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    Regardless, with this "news," SP should move up AH and early tomorrow.
    23 Dec 2013, 08:07 PM Reply Like
  • hneumann
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    "Yep, but "S" is seriously lacking in Safety Technology that helps avoid crashes".
    Acceleration like a Formula 1 car doesn't help avoiding crashes neither.

     

    "Regardless, with this news, SP should move up AH and early tomorrow."
    This will be more clear after a positive outcome of the NHTSA review.
    23 Dec 2013, 08:18 PM Reply Like
  • JRP3
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    I do wonder how NHTSA could possibly find an issue with their ongoing investigation of the S after they gave it a 5 star safety rating for the second time.
    23 Dec 2013, 08:34 PM Reply Like
  • Reel Ken
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    HI JRP,

     

    AHHHH, there's were everyone goes astray.

     

    The rating is for crash results only. It says nothing about other safety factors. In fact, if you actually look at the website, you'll see that "S" comes up short on many non-crash related safety issues..

     

    It's just that pro-Teslas seem exaggerate the significance of this just as the anti-Teslas exaggerate the significance of the fires.

     

    The problem lies "....not in NHTSA...but in ourselves.."
    23 Dec 2013, 09:13 PM Reply Like
  • JRP3
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    Except that NHTSA is investigating the pack safety in a crash. Running into an object is in fact a crash, it matters not at all that it impacts the bottom of the vehicle instead of the front, sides, rear, or roof. As I've said previously, if NHTSA is testing Tesla for underside impacts it then needs to do the same to every other vehicle, and I'm quite sure without 1/4 inch thick aluminum plate and a 6 inch thick battery, other vehicles will not do well protecting occupants from being skewered.
    24 Dec 2013, 09:29 AM Reply Like
  • hneumann
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    Well, if you come out alive without a scratch from a burning car, that's excellent. But that doesn't mean that (a) battery issue(s) couldn't be improved if not optimal
    23 Dec 2013, 09:15 PM Reply Like
  • JSB163
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    Great car. Very good car for the money. I plan to buy one just before the world runs out of oil. For now I will stick with my Porsche and Mercedes.
    24 Dec 2013, 01:40 AM Reply Like
  • 123man
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    You can and you probably should - I took my Tesla in for its annual yesterday, and they had sold every loaner so had to put me in a Mercedes - bummer - I simply didn't remember the difference in driving between the two car - the Mercedes is kinda like driving a jerking wagon, step on the gas, wait a second or so and then zoom, then step on brakes, then resume and do it again (especially noticeable in heavy traffic) - the Tesla is one pedal driving, step on the accelerator, smooth movement as fast as you choose, back off on the accelerator, and the S slows effortlessly, no jerks, no lags, just quite comfort -
    24 Dec 2013, 09:49 AM Reply Like
  • gen3
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    For now you are content polluting and spending a fortune on petrol.
    25 Dec 2013, 04:03 PM Reply Like
  • surferbroadband
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    "Is SA now touting this co.? That rating is shared with many others. Some of those companies actually make money. "

     

    Walter Brothers Financial must be short. Otherwise why such a negative comment?

     

    This is news. Sometimes the news is positive, sometimes it is negative.

     

    When the media brings up the 3 car fires, but fails to mention that there are over 187,000 car fires every year, then I am worried. When the investigation is complete, then we will know if Tesla Motors is right or wrong.

     

    My money is on a not guilty verdict.
    24 Dec 2013, 03:29 AM Reply Like
  • Ecp54321
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    Bulls are rushing shorts. People say this stock is a "bubble". Yes it is a "short bubble" that is about to POP! There are way too many shorts in this stock and they are all going to run for the exits soon.
    Their only hope is that new shorts dumber than them will take their spot and sell them shares.
    24 Dec 2013, 09:13 AM Reply Like
  • xytrader
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    No way NHTSA which is part of the Executive branch and thereby politicized will come up with anything negative about Tesla .
    24 Dec 2013, 09:47 AM Reply Like
  • surferbroadband
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    XYtrader, you are correct ( as Ed McMahon would say to Johnny Carson).

     

    The Obama Administration will run full court for all of its friends. Even though I do not care for the Obama Administration and want Obamacare to go away, I know that investing is partly political. By the time a Republican president comes into power, Tesla will have blanketed the country with supercharging stations and will be rolling out the Model E.

     

    At that point, the price of Tesla stock will be over 1k and the company will be making some real nice profit.

     

    Also at that point, Tesla will be looking for a new location to build an electric pickup.

     

    I'm betting that will be in Texas.
    24 Dec 2013, 08:58 PM Reply Like
  • Reel Ken
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    Hi surferbroadband,

     

    " By the time a Republican president comes into power, Tesla will have blanketed the country with supercharging stations and will be rolling out the Model E "

     

    You're probably right. The way Republicans are going, it will be three decades before they see the White House and Tesla could be $1k in 30 years. For that matter the S&P could be 30,000 by then, too.
    24 Dec 2013, 09:38 PM Reply Like
  • JRP3
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    Just a note, I think at this point in time there are enough SC's for a cross country trip, though all may not be officially active yet.
    25 Dec 2013, 11:15 AM Reply Like
  • gen3
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    TESLA got the DOE loan under Bush.
    26 Dec 2013, 05:20 PM Reply Like
  • gen3
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    In Europe owners can drive anywhere even without the Superchargers as European MODEL S units has 3 Phase AC charging to match our public infrastructure. Any hotel electrician can provide 3 Phase 32 amp @ 380volts. DC Superchargers are working great in Norway but the truth is they are more needed in North America due to your crappy Single Phase AC infrastructure.
    26 Dec 2013, 05:29 PM Reply Like
  • 123man
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    From the discussions above it would seem that the thing that is needed here would be that the heavens part, and then the powers above anoint Tesla Model S - that is the only way the detractors will be satisfied - that said (won't happen), I am satisfied driving my Model S into the abyss of southern CA traffic knowing that the car I am in will protect me as well as any, better than most, and that in the event of the unavoidable, I may actually be able to avoid it because my car responds immediately - that one or two second lag most ICE cars have, could get me killed -
    25 Dec 2013, 09:05 AM Reply Like
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