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Nokia obtains German injunction against HTC phone sales

  • A Munich court has placed an injunction on the German sale of all HTC (HTCKF) Android phones deemed to be infringing a Nokia (NOK -0.8%) patent covering the transmission of resource data between devices via Bluetooth or NFC.
  • The German ruling follows U.S. and U.K. court wins by Nokia in its legal battle against HTC, as well as a separate injunction (related to a USB patent) from a Munich court. Nokia can enforce the new injunction by posting a €400M ($550M) bond or security deposit. HTC will almost certainly appeal the ruling, and might also attempt a workaround involving Wi-Fi-based data transfers.
  • Nokia has been expected to try to more aggressively monetize its IP in the wake of the Microsoft deal. Chinese OEMs are on edge over the possibility, as are EU regulators.
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  • Timothy Bryan
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    Why doesn't HTC just settle...it would seem they lik the pain, because they keep losing
    30 Dec 2013, 02:56 PM Reply Like
  • La Rue
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    Betcha they settle up real soon. Great news !
    30 Dec 2013, 03:03 PM Reply Like
  • joshvegas
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    Diablo - exactly, settlement would be cheaper anyway in the end, so why postpone unavoidable.
    30 Dec 2013, 03:10 PM Reply Like
  • JMajoris
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    Just the beginning folks, just the beginning ;-)
    30 Dec 2013, 03:13 PM Reply Like
  • Itsabimmerthing
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    When/If HTC settles, All android devices are on the line of fire.
    NSN, IP and EUR/USD makes NOK1V a Buy.
    30 Dec 2013, 03:16 PM Reply Like
  • Andreas Hopf
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    HTC is on its way out. They will appeal. Time passes. Nokia will receive a bit o' cash. That'll be it. When Research in Motion finally settled with Nokia 21st December 2012, a mere $65m was the result.
    30 Dec 2013, 03:56 PM Reply Like
  • JMajoris
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    So what say you now Mr Dark Side? :-)
    7 Feb, 03:10 PM Reply Like
  • Andreas Hopf
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    Bit 'o cash, as I said before. With falling NSN prospects, no sustainably high IP monetisation, no strategy and CEO, Nokia continues its beheaded chicken trajectory for a foreseeable time.
    7 Feb, 04:06 PM Reply Like
  • sidiji
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    The patents over which Nokia have won injunction against HTC apparently are widely used by most every Android maker, so no, it's not correct to limit this win to HTC only.
    30 Dec 2013, 04:21 PM Reply Like
  • Timothy Bryan
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    Sid, it is just AH, he will be putting it down even after it has made me a million bucks on 60 K....
    30 Dec 2013, 04:38 PM Reply Like
  • La Rue
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    Exactly !!!
    30 Dec 2013, 05:02 PM Reply Like
  • seymore4
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    Funny how he always seems to find a negative spin to everything that can only be seen as positive for NOK.. I'm getting more and more excited for 2014 by the day
    30 Dec 2013, 05:08 PM Reply Like
  • Andreas Hopf
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    Why, then, if there is all that "fantastic news", is NOK flat for nearly 7 weeks now?
    30 Dec 2013, 07:12 PM Reply Like
  • JMajoris
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    This brief period of "flatness" is just God's gift to you to add more at cheap prices. Or - all of the investment stars are aligned for you in the perfect "buy" opportunity. However you wish to phrase it, it's only a matter of time before the crap hits the fan for all of the IP infringers, and there are an awful lot of them.

     

    The French are freakin out, the Chinese are freakin out, the Europeans are freakin out. All for one reason and one reason only - it's time for everyone to start paying up and they know that a huge bill is coming.

     

    "Why, then, if there is all that "fantastic news", is NOK flat for nearly 7 weeks now?"
    30 Dec 2013, 09:44 PM Reply Like
  • Doug Dallam
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    Also, the EU can try and cap Nokia IP monetizing, but the EU can't do anything about the USA and other countries not in the EU. Th EU simply must follow the letter of the law here, or they will face the same sort of favoritism when a French or other EU country takes a US company to task in the USA.

     

    I'll bet China wishes they had given Nokia its fair share of the LTE contract (i.e., best price, best product, and least likely to get sued for IP matters) now. Yeah, right Chine? Doesn't feel very good when someone else is doing the poking, now does it?
    30 Dec 2013, 11:05 PM Reply Like
  • beyond dreams
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    AH,
    How can you possibly question couple months of price movement and conclude that NOK results are poor. Be frank, for a person with a significant knowledge of this company you have consistently looked at Nokia as a case of glass half-empty. Your negativism has led you to make poor judgmental calls, leading you to lose significant gains. When many of us were bulls before Sep 3, you were still chiming in with your negativism.

     

    If anything, over 40 years in the market has led me to become more objective and critical in evaluating my investment decisions. İn fact the objectivity forced on me by the market has helped me become a better manager. I like investors and analysis who are periodically negative on a company as I believe objectivity demands that we review all aspects of our decision making. You, Andreas, in my opinion happen to lack objectivity in this case.

     

    I saw many bears who bashed Nokia, but most of them did not know the subjects well. They were just cheerleaders for failure. You on the other hand, in my opinion, have credibility of knowledge which you are wasting through your preconceived and persistent negativism. Much has changed for Nokia Andreas, but you continue to sing the same song.

     

    With your knowledge and analytical capabilities I expected more from you Andreas.

     

    I wish you and everyone here a New Year full of Happiness and Success.
    31 Dec 2013, 03:49 AM Reply Like
  • Andreas Hopf
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    Please, look here http://bit.ly/KgOInP and then tell me, what happened with NOK since 3rd November...

     

    Anyway, happy happy!
    31 Dec 2013, 03:56 AM Reply Like
  • beyond dreams
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    You talk in terms or weeks and few months. I have enough problem finding the right investment, let alone try and time it. I have few positions (NOK, MSFT, INTC, KO,) and all of them are based on a buy and hold for long term strategy. You bashed Nokia even though it had a superb year as a stock, so why should I care about a few weeks return? Never bothered with timing as I finding the right investment is hard enough. Warren Buffet is more my style, but without his results.

     

    I am grateful that my basic approach to investing has allowed me to accumulate a decent return over the years. I think most of the people that invest with the short term objective in mind just do not achieve the desired results.
    2 Jan, 05:06 AM Reply Like
  • Andreas Hopf
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    Then, stop thinking and start trading : D
    2 Jan, 07:39 AM Reply Like
  • beyond dreams
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    Its hard enough to find a decent stock you think will do well without the added burden of trying to time an investment. Lets see who is right with Nokia for the first half of 2014. Unless you are with one of the big trading houses like GS, short term trading strategies most often fail.

     

    ''Then, stop thinking and start trading.''
    Not interested in trading, just might end up with the same results you get from trading.
    2 Jan, 09:57 AM Reply Like
  • Andreas Hopf
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    No need to be so pessimistic. You probably begrudge that you went long Nokia and did not trade its purely sentiment and event driven chart. Don't worry. You can still change your strategy to a profit oriented one.
    2 Jan, 10:49 AM Reply Like
  • La Rue
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    Tightening the spring tighter and tighter :)
    30 Dec 2013, 07:22 PM Reply Like
  • Andreas Hopf
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    Let me know when it uncoils. Until then, I rather make money : D
    30 Dec 2013, 07:25 PM Reply Like
  • La Rue
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    No dry powder for me but I am sitting on a loaded ringer and I'll be more than happy to let you know when it goes off. Now go make some money Sys and Happy New Year to you and your family. Long Nokia !
    30 Dec 2013, 07:37 PM Reply Like
  • Doug Dallam
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    AH,

     

    I don't think they know you have a juicy position in NOK.
    30 Dec 2013, 11:07 PM Reply Like
  • Andreas Hopf
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    It shrivelled, no juice to be squeezed from NOK for weeks.
    31 Dec 2013, 03:43 AM Reply Like
  • Timothy Bryan
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    That sounds like more information than I wanted AH....
    31 Dec 2013, 05:17 AM Reply Like
  • im626
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    AH rigorously points out the weakness of NOK that no one on SA seems to even bother mentioning. We all should thank him for that. We all have different expectations for the stocks we own. Based on my observation following NOK SA forum for just about a year, his expectations for NOK is much higher and critical.
    31 Dec 2013, 02:43 PM Reply Like
  • Timothy Bryan
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    im, you forgot "and wrong"
    31 Dec 2013, 04:27 PM Reply Like
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